Well, I thought it might be time to start an iPad 2 thread. Lots of talk lately online about it. For everyone getting the first version this Christmas, they may be wanting to upgrade in as little as 2-4 months. It's expected that Steve Jobs will announce this new version in January. Production in China seems to be gearing up. Here's a roundup of some of the "rumors" about this new device I have read:
Dual-cameras (front & back)
Lighter
Higher res. screen
More memory/storage
Faster processor
Ability to stream data over network
Longer battery life
etc.
a few recent articles:
http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/12/11/2010-12-11_dualcamera_ipad_on_way__start_lining_up.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/12/11/2010-12-11_dualcamera_ipad_on_way__start_lining_up.html)
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/technology/ipad-2-to-start-shipping-as-early-as-feb-report_503899.html (http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/technology/ipad-2-to-start-shipping-as-early-as-feb-report_503899.html)
P.S. I think I want one. :)
It's got a lighter in it ? :D
I'm dedicated to my iPhone but I'm still not drawn to the iPad. If it had a keyboard...
Quote from: Feathers on December 13, 2010, 06:01:19 AM
It's got a lighter in it ? :D
I'm dedicated to my iPhone but I'm still not drawn to the iPad. If it had a keyboard...
Oh, I forgot that rumor. A keyboard dock for it and also a USB attachment that allows external memory card reading, webcam support, etc.
And it will butter your toast too! ;)
Quote from: Rico on December 13, 2010, 06:15:47 AM
Quote from: Feathers on December 13, 2010, 06:01:19 AM
It's got a lighter in it ? :D
I'm dedicated to my iPhone but I'm still not drawn to the iPad. If it had a keyboard...
Oh, I forgot that rumor. A keyboard dock for it and also a USB attachment that allows external memory card reading, webcam support, etc.
And it will butter your toast too! ;)
I don't think Apple will ever allow for USB drives. It makes the varying memory size on the models obsolete.
Acutally "lighter" is the number one feature that would appeal to me. The thing is just a touch too heavy to comfortably hold up without propping for long periods. I recently held one of the new Kindles and that thing was like a feather comparitively.
Mac World in Jan. will likely be the intriduction, with versions for sale in the Spring. It's gonna' be great!
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on December 13, 2010, 06:45:45 AM
Acutally "lighter" is the number one feature that would appeal to me. The thing is just a touch too heavy to comfortably hold up without propping for long periods. I recently held one of the new Kindles and that thing was like a feather comparitively.
For straight book reading, I still think the Kindle is awesome and the best at that. Lynn really loves hers. I think the trick for Apple with the iPad is to keep it doing what it does best. Simple web browsing, email, video playing, magazines/newspapers, etc. But I'd love to see the cameras added. That for me is the number one addition to kick it over into almost a must buy. Oh, I'd like better sound from it too.
Don't foget games as well.
Quote from: Bryancd on December 13, 2010, 07:09:34 AM
Don't foget games as well.
True, but I personally don't see it as much of a gaming platform. At least for me. I've never been much into "casual" games. And it doesn't have the horsepower or control interface to do the more intense stuff - or memory for that matter. Maybe when iPad 5 comes out and it can read my mind, then I'll game on it. ;)
Gaming is still in it's infancy on the iPad. I personally can't wait for more substantial releases to drop for the platform. For now I agree with Rico, there's nothing of substance there yet beyond quick casual diversions.
There are some pretty intense games available for the iPhone 4/iPad these days...Using the Unreal engine.
@Feathers, that's why you use a bluetooth keyboard with it ;)
King
Quote from: Rico on December 13, 2010, 06:15:47 AM
Quote from: Feathers on December 13, 2010, 06:01:19 AM
It's got a lighter in it ? :D
I'm dedicated to my iPhone but I'm still not drawn to the iPad. If it had a keyboard...
Oh, I forgot that rumor. A keyboard dock for it and also a USB attachment that allows external memory card reading, webcam support, etc.
And it will butter your toast too! ;)
Webcam support is useless with the front facing camera. Or were you being ironic, I can't tell. :P
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 09:26:44 AM
There are some pretty intense games available for the iPhone 4/iPad these days...Using the Unreal engine.
King
I haven't found anything close to as engaging as even some of the more mediocre titles on the PSP or DS. Graphics are there, what's missing are decent controls and good franchises. I don't understand why there hasn't been a decent RPG or Diablo style adventure game on the platform yet, for example. Seems like everyone wants to cash in for the quick buck with cheap, simple ports.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on December 13, 2010, 09:36:55 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 09:26:44 AM
There are some pretty intense games available for the iPhone 4/iPad these days...Using the Unreal engine.
King
I haven't found anything close to as engaging as even some of the more mediocre titles on the PSP or DS. Graphics are there, what's missing are decent controls and good franchises. I don't understand why there hasn't been a decent RPG or Diablo style adventure game on the platform yet, for example. Seems like everyone wants to cash in for the quick buck with cheap, simple ports.
None of them want to bother, they don't believe the platform is worth the cost. Which is silly as there are more iPhones than there are DSes.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 09:28:03 AM
Quote from: Rico on December 13, 2010, 06:15:47 AM
Quote from: Feathers on December 13, 2010, 06:01:19 AM
It's got a lighter in it ? :D
I'm dedicated to my iPhone but I'm still not drawn to the iPad. If it had a keyboard...
Oh, I forgot that rumor. A keyboard dock for it and also a USB attachment that allows external memory card reading, webcam support, etc.
And it will butter your toast too! ;)
Webcam support is useless with the front facing camera. Or were you being ironic, I can't tell. :P
King
Not being ironic or is it useless. Many separate webcams will have better resolution. Keep in mind, ALL of these features/options are just rumors for now.
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 09:42:42 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on December 13, 2010, 09:36:55 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 09:26:44 AM
There are some pretty intense games available for the iPhone 4/iPad these days...Using the Unreal engine.
King
I haven't found anything close to as engaging as even some of the more mediocre titles on the PSP or DS. Graphics are there, what's missing are decent controls and good franchises. I don't understand why there hasn't been a decent RPG or Diablo style adventure game on the platform yet, for example. Seems like everyone wants to cash in for the quick buck with cheap, simple ports.
None of them want to bother, they don't believe the platform is worth the cost. Which is silly as there are more iPhones than there are DSes.
King
Tim, that is incorrect. The Nintendo DS has been a monster success. Numbers below. Add to that the sheer number of games available for the DS and I wouldn't toss it away so quickly as a gaming platform.
Nintendo DS's = about 136 million sold
iPhones = about 74 million
Agreed, Rico, that's why I mentioned games. iPhone has really taken business away from the Nintendo and Sony in the handset market. The iPad will continue that trend.
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 09:42:42 AM
None of them want to bother, they don't believe the platform is worth the cost. Which is silly as there are more iPhones than there are DSes.
King
What math are you using for that? There have been 135 million+ in DS sales, 55 million+ in PSP and less than 5 million in iPAD sales and 51.5+ million iPhones to date.
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 09:42:42 AM
None of them want to bother, they don't believe the platform is worth the cost. Which is silly as there are more iPhones than there are DSes.
King
What math are you using for that? There have been 135 million+ in DS sales, 55 million+ in PSP and less than 5 million in iPAD sales and 51.5+ million iPhones to date.
Kings New Math! :) Beleive me, Apple is very interested in growing their share of the handheld gaming market and I thin we will see more and more developers coming on board. The App Store is making a lot of $$$.
I wonder if you add up all the iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads, would it come close to the DS/PSP install base. They all support the same software.
As ever, a slightly different interface will produce slightly different games too. I don't see everyone tossing out their other hardware and switching to iOS when they won't be able to wholly reproduce the experience of the other platforms.
Price comes into it too - I'm certainly not going to let my daughter chuck out her DS in favour of something even more pricey and if the other kids reach the point of wanting a handheld games machine I'm certainly not buying them iPod Touches. By my maths that makes 1 iPhone/iPod (Me!) to three DS's (or equivalent). Apple have a long way to go to overturn that arithmatic.
(And I just bought an XBox for games rather than an iPad if you want another comparison)
But that's the point, people who have iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad can have a gaming experience on a device they already own, making a game only portable device redundant. That's the problem for Sony and Nintendo.
Quote from: Bryancd on December 13, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
But that's the point, people who have iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad can have a gaming experience on a device they already own, making a game only portable device redundant. That's the problem for Sony and Nintendo.
Sony is coming out with a PSP Phone next year. It's suposed to be really hot.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/203117/sony_planning_psp_phone_android_30_gaming_platform.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/203117/sony_planning_psp_phone_android_30_gaming_platform.html)
http://www.popherald.com/android-gingerbread-honeycomb-leaks/3489 (http://www.popherald.com/android-gingerbread-honeycomb-leaks/3489)
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on December 13, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
But that's the point, people who have iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad can have a gaming experience on a device they already own, making a game only portable device redundant. That's the problem for Sony and Nintendo.
Sony is coming out with a PSP Phone next year. It's suposed to be really hot.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/203117/sony_planning_psp_phone_android_30_gaming_platform.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/203117/sony_planning_psp_phone_android_30_gaming_platform.html)
http://www.popherald.com/android-gingerbread-honeycomb-leaks/3489 (http://www.popherald.com/android-gingerbread-honeycomb-leaks/3489)
You know what I am going to say... :)
It's kind of like what Newt said Ripley in ALIENS when Ripley told her that the marines all had guns and could protwect her. She said,"It won't matter." ;)
I don't think I ever met a bigger Apple honk in my life........
Quote from: Bryancd on December 13, 2010, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on December 13, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
But that's the point, people who have iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad can have a gaming experience on a device they already own, making a game only portable device redundant. That's the problem for Sony and Nintendo.
Sony is coming out with a PSP Phone next year. It's suposed to be really hot.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/203117/sony_planning_psp_phone_android_30_gaming_platform.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/203117/sony_planning_psp_phone_android_30_gaming_platform.html)
http://www.popherald.com/android-gingerbread-honeycomb-leaks/3489 (http://www.popherald.com/android-gingerbread-honeycomb-leaks/3489)
You know what I am going to say... :)
It's kind of like what Newt said Ripley in ALIENS when Ripley told her that the marines all had guns and could protwect her. She said,"It won't matter." ;)
I don't know about that. Both the PSP and the DS aren't just game systems as is. The PSP is a pretty good media player and has the whole sony library and then some for their movies. The PSP can also web browse and other things.
I'm not saying that Sony will win, but when they get their minds set on something, they can be pitbulls and very sneaky. Bluray is a good example of how they push for what they want. Given that they have already put several rival in the ground or forced them to change their business model, I won't count Sony out just yet.
Not that I'm rooting for them or anything, I'm still mad about that HDDVD thing, but Sony isn't a slouch and they have been putting out a lot of products that people are just as rabid for.
Like I pointed out earlier, I think there are some things the iPad seems to do well. But to catch up in gaming is going to take a VERY long time. And also like I said before, they should stick to what they do best. But of course there will still be some cool games for it. They should focus on the touch interface and tilt ability and use those things in games. Not just ports of old games that aren't designed for the device.
You know what I really want one for is for some quick web surfing, or some comic book reading and maybe some Netflix for a few minutes in bed each night before going to sleep. That's when it would be very handy. The rest of the time I like to use my much more powerful PC.
Quote from: Blackride on December 13, 2010, 11:44:23 AM
I don't think I ever met a bigger Apple honk in my life........
Oh yeah, about that whole enterprise thing, JP Morgan is equipping it's entire investment banking division with iPads... how do you like them honk,honks. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on December 13, 2010, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: Blackride on December 13, 2010, 11:44:23 AM
I don't think I ever met a bigger Apple honk in my life........
Oh yeah, about that whole enterprise thing, JP Morgan is equipping it's entire investment banking division with iPads... how do you like them honk,honks. :)
And how many people is that?
Remind me not to invest with them. A slip of greasy finger and BANG - there goes my portfolio! LOL! ;)
Too funy getting people fired up......I prefer Amiga. They own Apple crap.
"GAME OVER, man! Game over!" :lol2
Quote from: Rico on December 13, 2010, 11:57:31 AM
...to catch up in gaming is going to take a VERY long time. And also like I said before, they should stick to what they do best. But of course there will still be some cool games for it. They should focus on the touch interface and tilt ability and use those things in games. Not just ports of old games that aren't designed for the device.
The problem with the iPad as a game machine is that Apple really seems to have no stake in it's success as a gaming device. There's no 1st party games, only third party developers FLOODING the store with any and all kinds of crap. Even years after the debut of the App store it is still very difficult to find quality software for the device amidst all the dross. Things could turn around with Game Center, this is a huge step in the right direction. I think what the iPad really needs is for Apple to release a blue tooth gamepad/controller so developers could take advantage of the touch screen interface as well as the more traditional methods of control in gaming. Then developers wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel coming up with new, innovative control schemes for gaming and still take full advantage of all the plusses of the system (horsepower, graphics engine etc.)
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 09:42:42 AM
None of them want to bother, they don't believe the platform is worth the cost. Which is silly as there are more iPhones than there are DSes.
King
What math are you using for that? There have been 135 million+ in DS sales, 55 million+ in PSP and less than 5 million in iPAD sales and 51.5+ million iPhones to date.
Math?? Facts?? I don't need no stinking facts!! I just pull it off the most unreliable sites on the internet. That's how I'm always "right". :P
Ok, so maybe I misheard the amount of DSes sold....
King
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on December 13, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
The problem with the iPad as a game machine is that Apple really seems to have no stake in it's success as a gaming device.
They don't, it's a secondary usage for the devices but will ever be the focal point much beyond quick and simple games. Whatever people like to play on their Phone they will also like on their iPads and that's about it. It can, however, help push sales even if just a little bit.
If you want an all purpose device get a good laptop or desktop computer. To think the iPad can replace those things is near-sighted. For small things, quick stuff it's fine. And that's exactly where it should stay.
Quote from: Rico on December 13, 2010, 02:21:47 PM
If you want an all purpose device get a good laptop or desktop computer. To think the iPad can replace those things is near-sighted. For small things, quick stuff it's fine. And that's exactly where it should stay.
Sorry I think it's you that's being short sighted here. This generation you are certainly correct, a laptop has more options and s more powerful. But think of Scotty in Voyage Home and his reaction to the keyboard computer. One of the newer devices I saw the other day was dual screened laptop like device with no integrated keyboard, but two touch screens instead. As the technology advances I think the days of querty and integrated keyboards will fade, sooner rather than later too. The iPad won't replace home and portable computers today, but tomorrow it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it and other similar tablet devices take over.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on December 13, 2010, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Rico on December 13, 2010, 02:21:47 PM
If you want an all purpose device get a good laptop or desktop computer. To think the iPad can replace those things is near-sighted. For small things, quick stuff it's fine. And that's exactly where it should stay.
Sorry I think it's you that's being short sighted here. This generation you are certainly correct, a laptop has more options and s more powerful. But think of Scotty in Voyage Home and his reaction to the keyboard computer. One of the newer devices I saw the other day was dual screened laptop like device with no integrated keyboard, but two touch screens instead. As the technology advances I think the days of querty and integrated keyboards will fade, sooner rather than later too. The iPad won't replace home and portable computers today, but tomorrow it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it and other similar tablet devices take over.
If it advances to the point where it can replace a desktop, it wouldn't be an iPAD anymore. Rico is right about the iPAD. Sure, in the future there might be something more powerful than today's computers, but I highly doubt that today's computers will remain stagnant. It's all about efficiency and something with the specs of an iPAD will never have the power of a desktop. Sure they run longer than some laptops, but they also don't use many process or graphics demanding programs. How long do you thing the battery of an iPAD would last if it had to do something like render CG. That's a power hungry process that the iPAD can't handle.
There are tablets out there that can meet the performance of a laptop, but when you look at them closely, they are not iPAD like tablets, but tablet PCs or simple laptops with a touch interface that's running a hearty OS.
Laptops aren't going to stand still either and if past performance is an indicator of future trends, Apple will NEVER have an iPAD that can keep up with a laptop. Hell, their air books can't even keep up with a real laptop.
Short sighted, Joby?? I was obviously speaking of the near future - just the next several years out. Now, in the 23rd century I doubt they will actually even need any type of hand held device. Holographic displays will appear when needed and be at your fingertips with perfect voice command interfaces and no need even to touch the controls. Trek may have predicted some of these things, but if you look at how tech has advanced in just 50 years, 200 hundred years from now things will be very different. My point (which I will make once again), is I feel it would be a business mistake to try and turn an iPad into a more functional laptop type device with add on's, etc. Keep it the simple and easy to use quick device that it is. Let it keep filling the good niche that it is doing right now. Hope that makes things clearer.
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 03:42:34 PM
Hell, their air books can't even keep up with a real laptop.
But as you have correctly identified, the Air is not meant to be a full service laptop. That's why they have the MacBook line, which are outstanding full service laptops doing the heavy lifting. I'm on one right now. :)
I still think you guys have it wrong. Besides gaming or work related application, the majority of computer, using that as a generic term, use is the light weight stuff. Surfing the web, watching and listening to media, looking at photo's, ect. That's what most Americans are doing everyday on their personal technology and away from the office. Very few people are doing Excel spreadsheets or rendering their own CG at home. Making that portable and easy is where Apple and the iPad/iPhone ecosystem are killing it and that is the future for personal computing. A single, powerful desktop or laptop will become less and less desirable over time, especially with so much of the gaming community moving to consoles. I remember when PC games ruled supreme, now with the exception of WOW, they are an also ran.
Quote from: Bryancd on December 13, 2010, 03:57:29 PM
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 03:42:34 PM
Hell, their air books can't even keep up with a real laptop.
But as you have correctly identified, the Air is not meant to be a full service laptop. That's why they have the MacBook line, which are outstanding full service laptops doing the heavy lifting. I'm on one right now. :)
I agree, that's why the iPAD will never replace the laptop. I think the Macbook is a great machine. I also don't think that Apple is EVER going to put all it's eggs into the iPAD at the expense of the Mac and the Macbook. I don't think they will even incorporate most of the advances of one product into another. That's just bad business. Each of the smaller devices are designed to fill a niche and pull your further into the world of Mac. I see the iPAD as a very clever way to pull PC people into the Apple world and once they get a taste, they might want more, moving to the Airbook, and the the Mac or Macbook.
It's because of these other devices that Apple won't let iPAD become comparable with a larger machine. iPAD will never hit the specs of Airbook, which will never beat Macbook, which will never beat the Mac. Any attempt to do so would lower demand for the higher ticket item and have them competing against themselves.
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 04:06:56 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on December 13, 2010, 03:57:29 PM
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 03:42:34 PM
Hell, their air books can't even keep up with a real laptop.
But as you have correctly identified, the Air is not meant to be a full service laptop. That's why they have the MacBook line, which are outstanding full service laptops doing the heavy lifting. I'm on one right now. :)
I agree, that's why the iPAD will never replace the laptop. I think the Macbook is a great machine. I also don't think that Apple is EVER going to put all it's eggs into the iPAD at the expense of the Mac and the Macbook. I don't think they will even incorporate most of the advances of one product into another. That's just bad business. Each of the smaller devices are designed to fill a niche and pull your further into the world of Mac. I see the iPAD as a very clever way to pull PC people into the Apple world and once they get a taste, they might want more, moving to the Airbook, and the the Mac or Macbook.
It's because of these other devices that Apple won't let iPAD become comparable with a larger machine. iPAD will never hit the specs of Airbook, which will never beat Macbook, which will never beat the Mac. Any attempt to do so would lower demand for the higher ticket item and have them competing against themselves.
Yeah, they are always looking to draw more consumers into the whole Apple ecosystem. The Pad also is the Mac computer for those that can't afford one in some respects. It's aspirational that way. A survey today said 1 in 6 people want an iPad for Christmas. Powerful stuff.
If I ever get an iPAD, I'll be getting this for it:
http://www.celluon.com/products/laserkey1_3.htm?sm=2_1 (http://www.celluon.com/products/laserkey1_3.htm?sm=2_1)
edited for better link
@Bryan I agree with that, but I also look at the iPad as the laptop without all the fluff. Since I don't do movie editing or intense gaming on the go, the iPad fills in the mobile gap without giving me a lot of useless features.
King
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 04:11:32 PM
If I ever get an iPAD, I'll be getting this for it:
http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ (http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/)
Why oh why did you have to link that?? That is AWESOME and now I wants it!!!!! :(
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on December 13, 2010, 04:11:53 PM
@Bryan I agree with that, but I also look at the iPad as the laptop without all the fluff. Since I don't do movie editing or intense gaming on the go, the iPad fills in the mobile gap without giving me a lot of useless features.
King
That is EXACTLY my point. And Chris, that looks so cool!!!
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 04:11:32 PM
If I ever get an iPAD, I'll be getting this for it:
http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ (http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/)
Actually when Rick Peete brought over his iPad to show me he had a nice little wireless Blue tooth keyboard that could sync up with it. Kind of nice if you want the tactile response of keys to type on
Quote from: Rico on December 13, 2010, 04:16:06 PM
Quote from: X on December 13, 2010, 04:11:32 PM
If I ever get an iPAD, I'll be getting this for it:
http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ (http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/)
Actually when Rick Peete brought over his iPad to show me he had a nice little wireless Blue tooth keyboard that could sync up with it. Kind of nice if you want the tactile response of keys to type on
If its an Apple one, that's the same one I use with my iPhone. Does wonders for notes in class, long emails, etc.
King
I didn't mean to be insulting, so I hope no one took offense. I just believe that the average person does not want or need a tablet, mobile phone, handheld gaming device, laptop, PC, portable DVD player, Ebook reader, and so on. I think that the future is in the device that combines all these things into one, and to me the iPad and other tablets come the closest to being that convergence device that I think the majority of people are looking for. As technology advances and things like processing power, battery life, etc. all improve, I think more people will be able and willing to pay a higher price for one device that does all these things. I think we'll see a reverse of current trends, and the high powered computers and laptops will become the niche rather than the norm, and the convergence device like the tablet will be the thing more people gravitate to.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on December 13, 2010, 08:27:04 PM
I didn't mean to be insulting, so I hope no one took offense. I just believe that the average person does not want or need a tablet, mobile phone, handheld gaming device, laptop, PC, portable DVD player, Ebook reader, and so on. I think that the future is in the device that combines all these things into one, and to me the iPad and other tablets come the closest to being that convergence device that I think the majority of people are looking for. As technology advances and things like processing power, battery life, etc. all improve, I think more people will be able and willing to pay a higher price for one device that does all these things. I think we'll see a reverse of current trends, and the high powered computers and laptops will become the niche rather than the norm, and the convergence device like the tablet will be the thing more people gravitate to.
I for one HATE, DISPISE, DETEST all in one devices. Back when I was a kid I bought those all in one entertainment systems. Then I got a clue. If you have one device, you lose everything if it should fail. I like having my phone as a phone with some perks, my camera as a camera, my music player as a music player, my web device as a web device, and my e reader as an ereader and so on.
I don't mind if the features over lap, but I wouldn't buy a phone to use as a camera. My phone can be used as one, but I see that as more of an emergency than a necessity. I have a camera when I want to take pictures. I do enjoy when these things can sync and talk to each other, but keeping them seperate allows me to use everything all day without worrying about battery life
If any of these devices were to break, my world doesn't shutdown until it can be replaced. I personally prefer components to all in one for that reason.
I don't think you really need an all in one device at home. It only comes into play when you need to carry something around. And most current smart phones cover that pretty well. I always go back to a line Scotty would use, "The right tool for the right job." I've always agreed with that.
Quote from: Rico on December 14, 2010, 09:55:43 AM
I don't think you really need an all in one device at home. It only comes into play when you need to carry something around. And most current smart phones cover that pretty well. I always go back to a line Scotty would use, "The right tool for the right job." I've always agreed with that.
I totally agree with that. The only place I don't like unitaskers is in my kitchen gear. Otherwise, I like to keep my stuff apart. I never listen to music on my phone because I want that battery power for things that I can only do with my phone.
Quote from: X on December 14, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
I for one HATE, DISPISE, DETEST all in one devices...
Why don't you tell us how you
really feel Chris? ;) I'm just offering how I see things going...probably there's a good reason I am not a highly paid multimedia analyst.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on December 14, 2010, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: X on December 14, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
I for one HATE, DISPISE, DETEST all in one devices...
Why don't you tell us how you really feel Chris? ;) I'm just offering how I see things going...probably there's a good reason I am not a highly paid multimedia analyst.
I understand where you're coming from, but it's been my experience that most consumers don't support the all in one device, part of the reason the DVD/TVs never advance more than a token model each year.
Quote from: X on December 14, 2010, 01:38:04 PM
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I for one HATE, DISPISE, DETEST all in one devices...
Why don't you tell us how you really feel Chris? ;) I'm just offering how I see things going...probably there's a good reason I am not a highly paid multimedia analyst.
I understand where you're coming from, but it's been my experience that most consumers don't support the all in one device, part of the reason the DVD/TVs never advance more than a token model each year.
I hear where your coming from there, I myself dislike all-in-one devices. Its too easily susceptible to everyday life. However, despite this, all-in-one devices are the only things I can afford right now. I can't afford a separate camera & phone and MP3 player. A separate E-Reader. A separate TV from my monitor. (Though the only reason I have a Monitor with TV functions is because I liked the screen size and it was Samsung, TV was just a bonus, though its almost never used). This is why I go with higher quality devices in order to avoid unfortunate circumstances.
So for me, these devices save me $$ and frustration, which is why I like them a lot. Guess that's my perspective as a college student.
King
Looks like some rumors are getting closer to facts about the iPad 2. Two cameras, a bigger speaker, thinner design, etc. Read on about this iPad 2 case seen at CES 2011....
We've been seeing supposed iPad 2 cases for about a month now, all of them with the same telltale cutouts: a camera hole in the back, a camera hole in the front, and a big ol' speaker hole. Today's find beats them all, however: we just found a case with a machined aluminum iPad 2 mockup inside. Dexim is the eager exhibitor, with an actually very intriguing case design involving a Bluetooth keyboard that magnetically adheres to the front cover of the book-like sleeve, allowing for a laptop-style setup, or a keyboard-free case when you want to shave a few ounces. It was so intriguing that we asked to put our own iPad inside, which is when we were told it wouldn't fit, since the case was designed for the next iPad. Indeed, the mockup that we found inside the case was a tad bit slimmer than the first-gen iPad, with a taper leading to the edges that reminds us of the iPod touch, and a home button positioned nearer the bottom edge. We found all the typical cutouts on the case, and their mirror on the machined mockup, including a large square for the speaker.
So, what does it all mean? Well, there's certainly a consistent iPad 2 make that these Chinese manufacturers seem to be designing against, and while there's always the off chance that their info is wrong, it seems odd they'd go so far as to actually make the cases if they were unsure about their sources. It also means a slimmer iPad with cameras and a bigger speaker, which is never a bad thing. Check the pictures in the gallery below and make up your own mind.
source:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/ipad-2-case-shows-up-at-ces-packing-a-mockup-ipad-2/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/ipad-2-case-shows-up-at-ces-packing-a-mockup-ipad-2/)
Getting more and more convinced that the iPad 2.0 is the one I'm going to get :)
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 05, 2011, 10:20:54 AM
Getting more and more convinced that the iPad 2.0 is the one I'm going to get :)
King
Me too Tim! :)
Now that starts to make sense. USB or media ports would be nice as well.
Does it really need to be THINNER!!??
@Sheldor, ppl seem to think so. Its probably thinner because they wanted to make it lighter (guessing) and making it lighter isn't a bad thing. :)
King
The reason for the lighter, thinner design is to make it more attractive against the Kindle which is much lighter than the iPad. Not that it makes a big difference to someone who needs the power and flexibility of the iPad (versus the Kindle or Nook), but as a marketing point, they want to be able to counter the marketing comparison of carrying weight.
My wife is patiently waiting for the iPad v2 to come out so she can claim my current device because she knows I am getting the new one because of the cameras and possible faster processor and memory options. The louder speaker is a nice touch -- there are many times when you cannot hear the output from an iPad in busy venues and need headphones.
Sadly, I'm still not tempted (until my eyes go and I can't see the iPhone anymore!). I was expecting the old geek-lust to kick in for this device but it hasn't happened yet.
Well, Kevin Rose of Digg says the iPad 2 is definitely coming very soon and even suggests not buying the current iPad until the new one arrives. Cool! :)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375472,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375472,00.asp)
Quote from: Rico on January 10, 2011, 10:08:49 AM
Well, Kevin Rose of Digg says the iPad 2 is definitely coming very soon and even suggests not buying the current iPad until the new one arrives. Cool! :)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375472,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375472,00.asp)
If you haven't gotten the iPad 1.0 by now, wait till 2.0 comes out, at the very least it will be cheaper (since that follows typical tech trends). Signs do seem to be pointing to February as the release date. I can't wait, I've got everything ready for it, just waiting for it :D
King
Not so sure about the cheaper cost. I can even see it costing a bit more. Adding in cameras, other improvements, etc. Frankly, I think we might be lucky if they hold the cost the same but add the additional stuff.
I was just having this conversation with a client. I think they will try and hold the current price point and discount the gen 1 to clear the inventory. The iPad is really perfectly priced for what it offers and what people are willing to pay for both a pad and an Apple branded product. They will want to avoid overlaping the MacAir pricing with the iPad.
Quote from: Rico on January 10, 2011, 10:29:03 AM
Not so sure about the cheaper cost. I can even see it costing a bit more. Adding in cameras, other improvements, etc. Frankly, I think we might be lucky if they hold the cost the same but add the additional stuff.
I meant that the iPad 1.0 will be cheaper, iPad 2.0 will be at least the same cost. Or so I hope, I heard that China is raising mineral prices by 25% so we'll see if that affects Apple or not.
King
I always thought Apple when bringing a new version out, doesn't carry the old one anymore? Or do you mean for the month or two between announcement of iPad 2 and it being actually in stores? Do you expect you will be able to walk in the Apple store and be able to buy iPad 1 or iPad 2 at the same time in a couple months?
Quote from: Rico on January 10, 2011, 10:38:26 AM
I always thought Apple when bringing a new version out, doesn't carry the old one anymore? Or do you mean for the month or two between announcement of iPad 2 and it being actually in stores? Do you expect you will be able to walk in the Apple store and be able to buy iPad 1 or iPad 2 at the same time in a couple months?
I mean at their retail partners like Best Buy and WalMart and you are correct, once the new versions is released, Apple won't carry the V1.0 in their retail stores or online.
Quote from: Rico on January 10, 2011, 10:38:26 AM
I always thought Apple when bringing a new version out, doesn't carry the old one anymore? Or do you mean for the month or two between announcement of iPad 2 and it being actually in stores? Do you expect you will be able to walk in the Apple store be able to buy iPad 1 or iPad 2 at the same time in a couple months?
Here lately that hasn't been the case. If I remember correctly the 3GS of the iPhone is still available. Albeit at 8GB size, but still on Apple's Online store. If not Apple, certainly from some other online retailer.
No, its pretty unlikely you'll be able to go to an Apple store and buy iPad 1.0 and 2.0 at the same time. Online store is one thing, but I've noticed that old products do not stay in their regular retail stores.
King
Just checked, 3GS of the iPhone is available on the Apple Online store. 8GB for $49. Wowsers, that's cheap. Though 8GB is hardly that big a size...
King
They would have the drop the price A LOT to entice people I think to buy version one with version two coming in just a few weeks time.
Quote from: Rico on January 10, 2011, 10:46:30 AM
They would have the drop the price A LOT to entice people I think to buy version one with version two coming in just a few weeks time.
Depends on what V2 has in it and what ppl can afford to buy, but your probably right.
King
Quote from: Rico on January 10, 2011, 10:46:30 AM
They would have the drop the price A LOT to entice people I think to buy version one with version two coming in just a few weeks time.
Well, it depends, this is where the aspirational side of Apple's power comes into play. If someone can buy an iPad at a 30% discount and all they are loosing in their minds is the camera but they get to own an Apple product, that could be incentive enough. We'll see what WalMart does, that should be interesting.
Looks like a CDMA "Verizon" iPad is coming sometime too. AT&T must be crying in their cereal today.
In addition to the new CDMA iPhone, Apple will also release a new iPad with a built-in CDMA radio to allow the touchscreen tablet to connect to Verizon's network, the carrier revealed on Tuesday.
In an interview with Bloomberg, Verizon Wireless Chief Financial Officer Francis Shammo reportedly said that his company will sell a new version of the iPad with an integrated CDMA radio. The current iPad with integrated radio is only compatible with AT&T's 3G wireless network in the U.S.
Verizon and Apple previously worked around the issue by bundling a MiFi 2200 Intelligent Mobile Hotspot router with the Wi-Fi-only iPad. The hardware bundle started at $629 for the 16GB model, the exact same price as the 3G-capable hardware with direct connectivity to AT&T's network.
While Shammo reportedly spilled the details on the forthcoming CDMA iPad, he declined to say when the hardware might become available. First released last April, the iPad is expected to be updated to a second-generation version in the very near future. The anticipated update is part of an aggressive strategy that would see Apple update the hardware in less than a year, partially to push its FaceTime video chat standard with a camera-equipped iPad.
Cases and mockups claiming to represent the second-generation iPad began to appear online in late December. They suggested that, in addition to forward and rear facing cameras, the next-generation device will also include a larger speaker on its back and a tweaked, slightly thinner design.
There have also been reports of a new CDMA iPad being released in addition to the UMTS and Wi-Fi models currently available. Suppliers in the Far East suggested that the CDMA variant would account for roughly 30 percent of all iPads manufactured.
source:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/11/verizon_says_it_will_also_sell_apples_ipad_with_integrated_cdma.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/11/verizon_says_it_will_also_sell_apples_ipad_with_integrated_cdma.html)
I really hope iPad 2.0 allows you to connect to both Verizon and AT&T by choice, not by model.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 11, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
I really hope iPad 2.0 allows you to connect to both Verizon and AT&T by choice, not by model.
King
Has there ever been a phone that can?
Quote from: Feathers on January 11, 2011, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 11, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
I really hope iPad 2.0 allows you to connect to both Verizon and AT&T by choice, not by model.
King
Has there ever been a phone that can?
No, but an iPad is huge compared to a phone so it could possibly happen. I also heard they have new chips to connect to both networks (emphasis on HEARD).
Its just a dream unfortunately and it probably won't happen in the next gen.
King
Quote from: Feathers on January 11, 2011, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 11, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
I really hope iPad 2.0 allows you to connect to both Verizon and AT&T by choice, not by model.
King
Has there ever been a phone that can?
Yeah, you can do it with some jailbroken phones and now that it's legal to do ....
Quote from: X on January 11, 2011, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: Feathers on January 11, 2011, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 11, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
I really hope iPad 2.0 allows you to connect to both Verizon and AT&T by choice, not by model.
King
Yeah, you can do it with some jailbroken phones and now that it's legal to do ....
Has there ever been a phone that can?
Oh right, forgot about Jailbreaking, but that's only because I don't jailbreak mine.
King
Boy the more I hear these iPad 2 rumors the more I'm liking it - A LOT! Latest rumor roundup has included: a much higher res. display (possibly double the current resolution), an SD card slot, and a mini-display port. All this plus two cameras and a bigger speaker! This thing is sounding pretty awesome!
The pictures of what looks like iPad 2 Silicon sleeves have been been published by US-based Apple Insider and it shows some minor but significant differences compared to the current Apple iPad.
There are the usual power button and dock connector slot but also what looks like space for a bigger internal speaker, a hole for a rear facing camera plus enough space for a SD card reader.
Apple Insider also posits that there may well be a cut out at the top where a mini DisplayPort might fit in, one which would allow the iPad to be connected to a HD-ready device.
Conveniently, there have been rumours about the iPad 2 sporting a QXGA screen resolution, one that would allow 3.1 megapixels to be displayed on the 9.7-inch screen of the tablet and would be more than sufficient for all but the largest monitors on the market.
More importantly, the use of a mini DisplayPort would allow the iPad to be connected to the iMac (and other Apple monitors) without any other adaptor.
One could argue though whether it is a classic example of which comes first, the chicken or the egg as Chinese manufacturers may have inspired their creations from leaks in the press which themselves might have been initiated by the likes of Alibaba-based iPad accessory vendors.
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/01/19/apple-ipad-2-case-shows-sd-card-mini-displayport-options/ (http://www.itproportal.com/2011/01/19/apple-ipad-2-case-shows-sd-card-mini-displayport-options/)
The higher resolution is being highly contested right now as ppl can't believe the next iPad can power such a high resolution. Still, I'm excited by it all :)
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 19, 2011, 08:13:00 AM
The higher resolution is being highly contested right now as ppl can't believe the next iPad can power such a high resolution. Still, I'm excited by it all :)
King
True. But, if they want this to be able to feed and power HD content fed to a HDTV via the mini-display port it will need a stronger graphics chip anyway. I can see it being possible. If they can do most of these rumors and keep the cost about the same Apple may finally have a product that isn't so terribly over-priced.
Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2011, 08:23:20 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 19, 2011, 08:13:00 AM
The higher resolution is being highly contested right now as ppl can't believe the next iPad can power such a high resolution. Still, I'm excited by it all :)
King
True. But, if they want this to be able to feed and power HD content fed to a HDTV via the mini-display port it will need a stronger graphics chip anyway. I can see it being possible. If they can do most of these rumors and keep the cost about the same Apple may finally have a product that isn't so terribly over-priced.
Yeah, a tablet with better resolution than a MacBook Pro? Heck yea :).
King
I think it's a fair possibility. You have to keep in mind what people are using iPads for. Viewing video, pictures, etc. obviously could get a big boost by higher res. Even viewing web pages too or video online. In any case, we'll know soon.
Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2011, 08:23:20 AM
If they can do most of these rumors and keep the cost about the same Apple may finally have a product that isn't so terribly over-priced.
In regards to the iPad, over the last 3 months 7.3 million people had a different opinion about value. :)
Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2011, 09:20:11 AM
I think it's a fair possibility. You have to keep in mind what people are using iPads for. Viewing video, pictures, etc. obviously could get a big boost by higher res. Even viewing web pages too or video online. In any case, we'll know soon.
That's right and isn't this exactly why I said so many months ago that this product would be a home run when all of you are trying to argue that a cheap laptop is a better option?
Ahh, again Bryan you are looking at things as black and white. One of the reasons I didn't get iPad version one was it lacked some things even a netbook has and I wanted (mainly cameras and better sound). And look iPad 2 should have most of those and maybe more at the same price. That makes it much more attractive - at least to me.
P.S. I still think a laptop has definite advantages if you need to type a lot for say your job, etc. Typing more than short bursts on a touch screen would drive me nuts. But, of course you can get an external keyboard for an iPad too.
Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2011, 09:39:29 AM
Ahh, again Bryan you are looking at things as black and white. One of the reasons I didn't get iPad version one was it lacked some things even a netbook has and I wanted (mainly cameras and better sound). And look iPad 2 should have most of those and maybe more at the same price. That makes it much more attractive - at least to me.
P.S. I still think a laptop has definite advantages if you need to type a lot for say your job, etc. Typing more than short bursts on a touch screen would drive me nuts. But, of course you can get an external keyboard for an iPad too.
For sure, I can see how for you it may not make as much sense or be as complelling and can appreciate that from a cost standpoint, for someone who can make their own computer, this would be considered expensive. However, for Joe Blow, of which I am one, it does 99% of what I use any computer for witht the exception of high end games.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 19, 2011, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2011, 09:39:29 AM
Ahh, again Bryan you are looking at things as black and white. One of the reasons I didn't get iPad version one was it lacked some things even a netbook has and I wanted (mainly cameras and better sound). And look iPad 2 should have most of those and maybe more at the same price. That makes it much more attractive - at least to me.
P.S. I still think a laptop has definite advantages if you need to type a lot for say your job, etc. Typing more than short bursts on a touch screen would drive me nuts. But, of course you can get an external keyboard for an iPad too.
For sure, I can see how for you it may not make as much sense or be as complelling and can appreciate that from a cost standpoint, for someone who can make their own computer, this would be considered expensive. However, for Joe Blow, of which I am one, it does 99% of what I use any computer for witht the exception of high end games.
It doesn't do 20% of the things that I do on my PC, so I guess that's what the difference is.
Bryan - do you use an iPad at work or a desktop?
The iPad fills a gap where I need a mobile computer without the weight and issues that a laptop brings for school. That's my main reason for getting this thing. And so far my iPhone has worked for school related stuff so far.
King
Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2011, 09:53:54 AM
Bryan - do you use an iPad at work or a desktop?
Desktop. Because we are registered reps with securities licences working for a broker-dealer, we have VERY limited workstations and VERY monitored and limited internet access. It's a miracle I even have access to Treks in Sci Fi as online forums are genrally blocked. I can't get on the RPF from here, or FaceBook, or any other social media. Hell, even e-bay is blocked! The desktops are purely workstation where we access our corporate mainframe and all our accounts and support stuff, but that's all. It's a closed system. To have a laptop, it must be a work issued or work approved one so they can monitor my e-mails, which they do as well. If we use any PDA or Smartphone, it also must be approved. No iPad here as there's no WiFi. If I had a wireless one I could use it for personal stuff but not here in the office. It's very restrictive.
Most corporate computer environments are locked down pretty tight. I've generally worked in research for various companies and they keep the network pretty restricted. I know a few workarounds when needed, but I doubt they would allow an iPad into their system. Plus, I'd hate to spill paint all over it! ;)
Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2011, 11:39:23 AM
Most corporate computer environments are locked down pretty tight. I've generally worked in research for various companies and they keep the network pretty restricted. I know a few workarounds when needed, but I doubt they would allow an iPad into their system. Plus, I'd hate to spill paint all over it! ;)
IE: why 3G is a nice work around ;).
Actually with my less-than-impressive internet here lately, I may get a 3G version as a work around. Haven't decided.
King
Latest rumor -
The official iPad 2 announcement may come on February 9th. Ship in late March or April.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/114/1145242p1.html (http://gear.ign.com/articles/114/1145242p1.html)
I thought the Feb 9th date had been debunked a couple if days ago?
That rumor is debunked. We have no idea on announcement time.
Who did the debunking?
Endgaget is where I heard it but they heard from somewhere else. The 9 has been there longer than it was found out by bloggers.
However, since we truly do not know when they are announcing the date, it still could happen on the 9th. But it is not believed that the 9 is referencing that.
King
Well, for me it's all rumors unless someone official from Apple comes out and says something. Anyway, I'm guessing we'll find out something "real" in the next few weeks.
Btw, if no one noticed the Motorola Xoom the supposed challenge to the iPad had its priced released during the Superbowl at $800 for a 32GB 3G model. There is no wifi-only option. In fact, you have to buy the activation of the data network to get the Tablet at all. 4G is promised to come out in a software update (but Motorola's track record isn't helping this point, they've denied updates to many of their less-than-a-year-old-phones).
I think the Xoom zoomed into a giant wall of stupidity on this decision. I'm hearing a lot of..."dislike" over this decision. The price point and the lack of wifi-only is what is really setting people off. For the record its $80 more than the similar iPad 32GB 3G version, except it doesn't require an activation to AT&T's network.
I think Motorola is trying to sell that its specs are worth the price, I guess the consumers will decide if its worth it or not. I for one will continue to wait for the iPad 2.0.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 07, 2011, 12:32:03 AM
Btw, if no one noticed the Motorola Xoom the supposed challenge to the iPad had its priced released during the Superbowl at $800 for a 32GB 3G model. There is no wifi-only option. In fact, you have to buy the activation of the data network to get the Tablet at all. 4G is promised to come out in a software update (but Motorola's track record isn't helping this point, they've denied updates to many of their less-than-a-year-old-phones).
I think the Xoom zoomed into a giant wall of stupidity on this decision. I'm hearing a lot of..."dislike" over this decision. The price point and the lack of wifi-only is what is really setting people off. For the record its $80 more than the similar iPad 32GB 3G version, except it doesn't require an activation to AT&T's network.
I think Motorola is trying to sell that its specs are worth the price, I guess the consumers will decide if its worth it or not. I for one will continue to wait for the iPad 2.0.
Bear in mind that this is just the US pricing you're talking about. The world is a big place...
I guess, but $800 in the US is $800 in the US. ;). I'm still unsure what Motorola is trying to pull with their tablet. Unless this price point is needed to make a profit then that's understandable. But the lack of a wifi-only option will put a barrier on it that didn't need to exist.
King
From what I know of the Motorola hardware is that it's pretty impressive. But at that price you are definitely in the area you can buy a very nice laptop. I think the sweet spot is to stay at about $500 or less for your base model of any tablet. They should take notice that Samsung dropped the price of their Galaxy tablet already and I think it was only at $599. to start with.
Quote from: Rico on February 07, 2011, 10:18:34 AM
From what I know of the Motorola hardware is that it's pretty impressive. But at that price you are definitely in the area you can buy a very nice laptop. I think the sweet spot is to stay at about $500 or less for your base model of any tablet. They should take notice that Samsung dropped the price of their Galaxy tablet already and I think it was only at $599. to start with.
mhm, I fully agree. Actually, with all the streaming options that are available on iOS and (I'm assuming) Droid, sticking with 16/32 GB isn't such a bad deal. I think though Verizon forcing everyone to get a Data package in order to use the Tablet will be a deal breaker for many. An $800 tablet + $10+/month is pricy when laptops are generally around $800-$1,000 for some nice models. And they don't require Verizon's data.
King
Here's the latest from the Wall Street Journal this morning:
New iPad: Apple (AAPL) has started manufacturing a new version of its iPad tablet computer with a built-in camera, faster processor and it will be thinner and lighter than the first model. The production of the new iPad shows how Apple is moving forward in the wake of Chief Executive Steve Jobs's disclosure last month that he was taking a medical leave for an unspecified ailment. Since the iPad's release, Apple has sold 14.8 million units of the device. In Apple's December quarter, the tablet contributed $4.6 billion in sales, or 17% of the company's overall revenue. WSJ.com
Quote from: Bryancd on February 09, 2011, 05:32:01 AM
The production of the new iPad shows how Apple is moving forward in the wake of Chief Executive Steve Jobs's disclosure last month that he was taking a medical leave for an unspecified ailment.
I don't see how they could come to this conclusion. If the thing is going into production now then it was in the works long before Steve went off. I don't think they wouldn't 'move forward' but this is not an indication of that.
Quote from: billybob476 on February 09, 2011, 05:35:40 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 09, 2011, 05:32:01 AM
The production of the new iPad shows how Apple is moving forward in the wake of Chief Executive Steve Jobs's disclosure last month that he was taking a medical leave for an unspecified ailment.
I don't see how they could come to this conclusion. If the thing is going into production now then it was in the works long before Steve went off. I don't think they wouldn't 'move forward' but this is not an indication of that.
I think you are taking it too literally, Joe. I think the author was simply making an off the cuff comment that the company is moving forward in his absence, at least that's how I read it, and this is just a part of the article. He's making a little noise, I suppose. Here's a link to the whole article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704364004576132643125168876.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704364004576132643125168876.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop)
Ah right, in the context of the whole article yeah, it just seems like a throwaway comment. Still not sure what relevance the statement had to the rest of the article. It's like it was put in as padding. Then again I guess investors would see this as a positive direction after the announcement of Steve's LOA.
Quote from: billybob476 on February 09, 2011, 06:26:47 AM
Ah right, in the context of the whole article yeah, it just seems like a throwaway comment. Still not sure what relevance the statement had to the rest of the article. It's like it was put in as padding. Then again I guess investors would see this as a positive direction after the announcement of Steve's LOA.
Yeah, there's going to be a lot in the financial press and coming out of the analyst community as to what a post-Steve jobs Apple will look like and how it will perform. Right now, the underlying sentiment on Wall Street is that he is NOT coming back and the belief the company will continue to grow and innovate without him. If he comes back, that would be outstanding, but as an investor, I am proceeding under the assumption he is not.
Breaking news! Apple employees capable of walking and chewing gum without Steve around! ;)
Comcast/Xfinity finally just released an app that allows their online content (a very large number of free and premium channel offerings) to be streamed on iOS devices. I think right now it only works via WIFI on the iPad and iPhone 3GS and 4. I tried it out last night and watched a couple episodes of Californication on my iPad. The quality was not that good, kind of pixelated in spots but definitely watchable. This will be a great option for me when the TVs are occupied or I feel like watching something adult oriented when the kids are around.
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 06:40:19 AM
Breaking news! Apple employees capable of walking and chewing gum without Steve around! ;)
And this just in! One of them tripped, stock plummets!
Quote from: Bryancd on February 09, 2011, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 06:40:19 AM
Breaking news! Apple employees capable of walking and chewing gum without Steve around! ;)
And this just in! One of them tripped, stock plummets!
Awesome!
How about this one...
How many Apple employees does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer:
Zero - They are waiting for Steve to come back and do it! ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 09, 2011, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 06:40:19 AM
Breaking news! Apple employees capable of walking and chewing gum without Steve around! ;)
And this just in! One of them tripped, stock plummets!
Awesome!
How about this one...
How many Apple employees does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer:
Zero - They are waiting for Steve to come back and do it! ;)
:roflmao
Quote from: Bryancd on February 09, 2011, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 09, 2011, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 06:40:19 AM
Breaking news! Apple employees capable of walking and chewing gum without Steve around! ;)
And this just in! One of them tripped, stock plummets!
Awesome!
How about this one...
How many Apple employees does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer:
Zero - They are waiting for Steve to come back and do it! ;)
:roflmao
:jawdrop :roflmao :roflmao
King
Been some rumors that the cameras will only be quality enough for Face Time and nothing else. (In other words, no 5MP back-camera for photo taking). Does anyone care if a tablet can take as good a picture as the iPhone? I sure don't, dunno why anyone would want to hold a large tablet around like a camera. Look like a tool to me ;). Would rather take pictures from a phone anyway, that's a lot easier to hold and such, but what do you guys think?
King
I use an actual camera to take pictures. :)
Well, if I was designing the thing I would make the front and back cameras the same. Easier for parts, etc. Probably about a 3 MP camera in each spot would do it. I can see people picture taking with it, if it happens to be what you have with you.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 09, 2011, 11:34:25 AM
I use an actual camera to take pictures. :)
Well, true there is that option. :P Just noticed people were making a big deal about the rumors on some other boards when I'm more excited about the FT possibilities than the ability to take an ok photo on something that could easily shake and ruin the picture.
King
Yeah don't think many people will be holding up iPads to take pictures but it will have to be included. The front facing camera and an iPad will be ideal for Facetime though.
I can easily come up with many scenarios where you might want to snap a pic with an iPad. So, you are at home relaxing on your couch with your iPad watching the latest TSF vidcast of Rico's Dance Off audition! Then your kid or dog or whoever comes in and does the cutest thing in front of you. Your camera is in it's bag in your closet, but hey - you have your trusty iPad right on your lap. So, quickly you lift it up and "snap" take that perfect picture. Or you are out in a park using it on a nice spring day under a tree checking the latest posts on the TSF forum and all of a sudden a pretty girl walks by. So you "discretely" press the camera button and get a pic of her. While I certainly wouldn't take an iPad to say a museum where I plan on taking a lot of pics (that's when you grab your camera), there are times when it might be cool to have it there on the iPad - just in case.
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 12:42:08 PM
I can easily come up with many scenarios where you might want to snap a pic with an iPad. So, you are at home relaxing on your couch with your iPad watching the latest TSF vidcast of Rico's Dance Off audition! Then your kid or dog or whoever comes in and does the cutest thing in front of you. Your camera is in it's bag in your closet, but hey - you have your trusty iPad right on your lap. So, quickly you lift it up and "snap" take that perfect picture. Or you are out in a park using it on a nice spring day under a tree checking the latest posts on the TSF forum and all of a sudden a pretty girl walks by. So you "discretely" press the camera button and get a pic of her. While I certainly wouldn't take an iPad to say a museum where I plan on taking a lot of pics (that's when you grab your camera), there are times when it might be cool to have it there on the iPad - just in case.
But does that require the full 5MP+ camera or would the camera found on the current iPod touch's back be suffice. Because the guess is that it will be the iPod touch camera will be "ported" to the iPad. More or less. I'm just wondering...I myself don't need it other than for FT/Vid calls.
King
I tell you what, back when Apple started to install built in cameras to their iMacs and MacBooks, my wife and I loved iChat, the predecessor to FaceTime. We would video chat with the family back east, it was great and so easy.
So, with the iPad 2 in production (new launch prediction of that around Easter), rumors are popping up already about iPad 3. Some are saying we may get that by the end of this year. The thought is to put it in the same refresh launch time as other Apple products - like iPods, etc. I'm not sure how much I buy into this idea. Anyway, here's the story...
With Apple's iPad 2 having just gone into production, according to reports, rumours are already suggesting that Apple will release another version of the iPad before the end of the year. The iPad 2, according to observers, will launch around Easter – a year after the first version of the tablet computer – but reports on US tech blogs have suggested that Apple is preparing a third version of the iPad for release in the autumn.
Writing on his blog Daring Fireball, John Gruber said:
"My gut feeling is that Apple will move the iPad to a September release schedule, alongside the iPods. But they wouldn't want to wait over a year and a half from the announcement of the original iPad to announce the second one – not with these stakes, and not with so many serious competitors trying their best to catch up."
Gruber has often been right in his "guesses" about what Apple will do next and his speculation was backed by TechCrunch, whose MG Siegler wrote: "My information on this isn't a guess. [...] Apple's plan, at least right now, is to release another version of the iPad in the fall."
Apple won't comment on rumours about the iPad 2, so they certainly won't get drawn into speculation about the iPad 3. As always, we'll have to wait and see what Apple does. That won't stop the gossip in the meantime, of course.
source:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/shanerichmond/100006333/apple-to-launch-ipad-3-before-the-end-of-the-year-according-to-rumours/ (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/shanerichmond/100006333/apple-to-launch-ipad-3-before-the-end-of-the-year-according-to-rumours/)
Why would Apple release the 3rd so soon? That's just nonsense, never seen them put out the next-gen hardware that quickly. Unless I'm forgetting something.
King
Yeah. It seems unlikely to me too. But, you never know.
This sounds very debatble, I would tend to think no way.
A few more articles on this:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/09/apple_may_be_prepping_ipad_3_for_fall_2011_launch_rumor.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/09/apple_may_be_prepping_ipad_3_for_fall_2011_launch_rumor.html)
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2011/02/ipad_3_to_have_fall_2011_launc.html (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2011/02/ipad_3_to_have_fall_2011_launc.html)
Well, regardless of this info, I'm not waiting all year for the iPad 3.0. But their guess that its 2.5 seems to be more accurate to me. I don't see how Apple can just skip to 3.0 within a year AND keep it economical.
So far though, Droid has made a pretty weak counter attack to the iPad. Even Motorola's. HP may be a threat, but it'll be a question of if the OS is up to it. The playbook looks solid too, but again its an entirely untested OS (in terms of consumers) and could be good or horribly bad. Windows seems to be uninterested in playing the Tablet market. (A mistake considering how laptops and netbooks fell on selling).
This year will be really telling how the tablet market plays out. But by all looks of it on mass-appeal, Apple has a really strong lead. But idk, we'll see.
The smartphone wars continue, but it looks like at this point Microsoft didn't sell as well as they had hoped and with the iPhone coming into direct competition with the Droid, that will be interesting to see if sales hold up or not. HP is lagging behind RIM who is also doing "ok" on the consumer market. But both hold strong business interest so yeah.
I'm going to love this year >=).
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 10, 2011, 02:06:12 PM
I don't see how Apple can just skip to 3.0 within a year AND keep it economical.
Apple doesn't have to be economical.
Quote from: X on February 10, 2011, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 10, 2011, 02:06:12 PM
I don't see how Apple can just skip to 3.0 within a year AND keep it economical.
Apple doesn't have to be economical.
Well, I meant within sanity, I doubt Apple could turn around and try and sell a $1,500 tablet this year. ;) just saying
King
Most inconvenient news I've read today.
The iPad 2 may be delayed due to "production bottlenecks" at manufacturing company Hon Hai Precision, parent company of Foxconn. This delay is partially the result of unspecified changes in the iPad 2 design made by Apple before the Lunar New Year on February 3, according to a report from Yuanta Securities analysts Vincent Chen and Alison Chen.
"Our checks suggest new issues are being encountered with the new production and it is taking time to resolve them," writes Chen. "As a number of Android 3.0 tablets are being launched in April and May, the delay in iPad 2 shipments may give the Android camp a brief window of opportunity."
A two month delay would push the iPad launch close to Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference and the expected launch date of the iPhone 5. It is possible that Apple could tie the announcement and launch of the two iOS devices together, but the retail debut of two extremely popular devices at the same would be a logistical nightmare. A delay would also cut into analyst's forecast of 30.6 million iPad shipments for 2011, a figure that could drop to 23 million following a delay.
We should note this latest report contradicts previous rumors that suggest the iPad 2 has entered production and is on track for a March release. Both the Wall Street Journal and Japanese website MacOtakara claim to have sources that confirm the iPad 2 is rolling off Asian production lines. According to Bloomberg, an Apple representative in Hong Kong declined to comment on this delay, and Hon Hai spokesperson Edmund Ding was not reachable.
Yuanta Securities analysts claim iPad 2 will be delayed until June originally appeared on TUAW on Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:00:00 EST. Please see our terms for use of feeds.
King
It would be really nice for Apple to make some type of official announcement on this. Truthfully, with my move back home I might not even need one of these anymore. So no real biggie to me for right now.
Quote from: Rico on February 22, 2011, 08:12:42 AM
It would be really nice for Apple to make some type of official announcement on this. Truthfully, with my move back home I might not even need one of these anymore. So no real biggie to me for right now.
I'm going back and forth on this now. My main hope was to get one for college, but now its been delayed till past college this fiscal year, defeating the point of it. Argh.
But yes, it would be nice if Apple would make an announcement on it already.
King
Got me an Archos 7 home tablet and it does everything I need.
Quote from: X on February 22, 2011, 08:17:17 AM
Got me an Archos 7 home tablet and it does everything I need.
7" is too small a screen for me.
I'm actually thinking now though with the lack of a higher-pixel screen, that I might just get the $500 iPad and then sell it off when the 2nd Gen comes out, if its good enough. Hard to say right now.
King
Quote from: Rico on February 22, 2011, 08:12:42 AM
It would be really nice for Apple to make some type of official announcement on this. Truthfully, with my move back home I might not even need one of these anymore. So no real biggie to me for right now.
They won't, nor should they. The only time they will announce a release date is pretty much the day before the release date. It's part marketing, part controlling expectations, part managing thier business. I would say that June is very likely for the iPad2, but it's all and will continue to be speculation. You would never pre-announce a new product, it would kill sales of your current product.
Yeah, that's partly true, but Apple has announced things weeks ahead in the past. Also, they then tend to sell the previous product at a discount to clear inventory. Another factor might be the other tablets coming out. Apple might want to snag up those sales so it's a balancing act.
Tim - maybe you should look into that buy back policy that Best Buy has been touting? I know you don't like that store much, but they've been pushing this buy back plan for tech items. Buy iPad one now and sell it back in a few months for version 2!
That's a good idea actually Rico, I'll take a look at it. Thanks :).
King
So I did take a look at the Best Buy buy-back program. While it is nice that a major store is offering to buy back your technology, its a bit restrictive.
First off: You have to buy into the program. I can't really get behind this part, its an additional upfront cost and I truly dislike programs that do this. (Extended useless warranties anyone?)
Second: When you take it back, you can only get a maximum of 50% of what you paid for it, and that's within 6 months of purchase. It is true though that they have restocking fees and technology tends to devalue (except Apple's tech which takes a long time to depreciate). But 50% only? Seems a bit harsh.
# Up to twelve months, the credit is 40%.
# Up to eighteen months, the credit is 30%.
# Up to twenty-four months, the credit is 20%.
# For televisions only, up to forty-eight months, the credit is 10%.
"Furthermore, when you return the equipment and trade it in for the credit, Best Buy will judge its condition. It must be rated "good" or "fair" to receive the full credit; if the product is in "poor" condition, the credit will be reduced by 50%."
Uhh, no thank you...I don't abuse my hardware, but I just have a feeling they'll pull a GameStop method on me.
Third: All you get is in-store credit. Not crazy about this either because who knows how long it'll take Apple to stock Best Buy, much less their own stores when iPad 2.0 hits the shelves. We all know how many ppl love their apples :P.
Thanks for the idea Rico, but if I do decide to plunge into the first gen iPad, I'll just sell it on eBay/friend when I'm done with it. From my end, its a lot less hassle to sell it that way than selling it back to Best Buy.
King
There's still a chance we could see an upgrade in April and then an even newer product in the fall.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/23/apples_ipad_2_supply_chain_on_track_despite_supply_constraints_analyst_says.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/23/apples_ipad_2_supply_chain_on_track_despite_supply_constraints_analyst_says.html)
Tim you'd be better off reselling privately on eBay or something if you were thinking of upgrading. Apple products sell for 70-80% of retail price pre-owned if they are still mint.
I've been looking at mint iPads on eBay and they are nor much cheaper used that brand new from Apple at the moment. Of course when version 2 comes out I expect thus to drop a little...
I was in Best Buy about a week ago and they had a whole cage full of iPads for sale. Lots of stock there right now.
Yeah no problems getting iPad 1's at this point. Apple stuff rarely goes on sale in retail.
Here's more news
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/23/apple_sends_out_invites_for_ipad_2_media_event_on_march_2.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/23/apple_sends_out_invites_for_ipad_2_media_event_on_march_2.html)
Just yesterday, we reported that the iPad 2 could have been delayed, then this claim was later denied. Then All Things Digital claimed the iPad 2 would be announced on March 2nd. This claim has now turned out to be true. Apple has started sending invitations to members of the press for an event that will be held on March 2nd, 10:00 am, at the Yerba Buena Center in San Fransisco, California.
According to the invitation received by The Loop, the event will be held at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts at 10:00 am. This is the same venue Apple has used to introduce a number of products in recent years.
The official specs are unknown as of yet, but soon we'll get to know them. Two cameras, an SD slot, and a higher screen resolution are expected, but still unconfirmed. There isn't much to say as of now. As always, we'll keep you informed as we get updates
http://www.neowin.net/news/ipad-event-confirmed-by-apple-for-march-2nd?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.neowin.net/news/ipad-event-confirmed-by-apple-for-march-2nd?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Exciting! :)
Without Steve I wonder who will be presenting.
http://engt.co/e33CeL (http://engt.co/e33CeL)
King
March 2nd! Well, there 'ya go. Also, there has been a lot of talk lately about MacBook Pro updates/changes. So, maybe this event will cover that too.
Perfect, a week in advance. Once again the internet rumor machine showing what it's good for...not much.
Bryan, it's been much longer than that with iPad 2 talk, dates, predictions. A March-ish announcement with an Easter-ish release for iPad 2 has been talked about for awhile now. That plus several major sources saying the iPad 2 has been in production now for awhile too. As I like to say - "Rumors are just premature facts." ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 23, 2011, 09:42:54 AMAs I like to say - "Rumors are just premature facts." ;)
...or hyperbole. :)
Bryan - I'm shocked you used the word hyperbole with regards to anything related to Apple. ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 23, 2011, 09:48:38 AM
Bryan - I'm shocked you used the word hyperbole with regards to anything related to Apple. ;)
That's not hybwerbole, it's marketing, baby! :)
Well, you got me there. :)
It will be very interesting to see a big Apple event without Jedi Master Jobs using the Force on the Apple fanboys. "You don't need to eat this month - you need to buy an iPad 2." :roflmao
Quote from: Rico on February 23, 2011, 10:02:50 AM
Well, you got me there. :)
It will be very interesting to see a big Apple event without Jedi Master Jobs using the Force on the Apple fanboys. "You don't need to eat this month - you need to buy an iPad 2." :roflmao
I have a feeling his presence will be felt. He may have transferred the reality distortion field to whoever is going to be presenting.
I would guess it will be his Padawan, Tim Cook that will speak at the event. Let's hope he has taken his Jedi trials by March 2nd. ;)
Maybe Steve will just use the dark side to transfer bodies until a new clone can be grown.
Cook is presenting to the annual shareholder meeting right now. Steve isn't there. It's awful to say, but we in the investment community are evaluating Apple as a post Steve Jobs company at this point. I don't think he is coming back and that's what I have advised my clients.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 23, 2011, 10:19:18 AM
Cook is presenting to the annual shareholder meeting right now. Steve isn't there. It's awful to say, but we in the investment community are evaluating Apple as a post Steve Jobs company at this point. I don't think he is coming back and that's what I have advised my clients.
:( That really sucks, I'm glad he's still participating, but I respected Jobs for being the type of CEO who stood his own ground and if you were with him great, if you weren't he didn't care. I truly hope Apple's Tim Cook is up to the task, he has a lot of eyes on him right now.
In other news, is this thing going to be streamed over the internet like the last one was? If so, I'd be willing to host an "Apple event" on Skype for those of us who aren't working at the time (yay me!)
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 23, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 23, 2011, 10:19:18 AM
Cook is presenting to the annual shareholder meeting right now. Steve isn't there. It's awful to say, but we in the investment community are evaluating Apple as a post Steve Jobs company at this point. I don't think he is coming back and that's what I have advised my clients.
:( That really sucks, I'm glad he's still participating, but I respected Jobs for being the type of CEO who stood his own ground and if you were with him great, if you weren't he didn't care. I truly hope Apple's Tim Cook is up to the task, he has a lot of eyes on him right now.
In other news, is this thing going to be streamed over the internet like the last one was? If so, I'd be willing to host an "Apple event" on Skype for those of us who aren't working at the time (yay me!)
King
I'd be up for that Tim, once I figure out what time it is on over here and if I'm free! :)
Quote from: Dangelus on February 23, 2011, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 23, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 23, 2011, 10:19:18 AM
Cook is presenting to the annual shareholder meeting right now. Steve isn't there. It's awful to say, but we in the investment community are evaluating Apple as a post Steve Jobs company at this point. I don't think he is coming back and that's what I have advised my clients.
:( That really sucks, I'm glad he's still participating, but I respected Jobs for being the type of CEO who stood his own ground and if you were with him great, if you weren't he didn't care. I truly hope Apple's Tim Cook is up to the task, he has a lot of eyes on him right now.
In other news, is this thing going to be streamed over the internet like the last one was? If so, I'd be willing to host an "Apple event" on Skype for those of us who aren't working at the time (yay me!)
King
I'd be up for that Tim, once I figure out what time it is on over here and if I'm free! :)
Uhh, if I'm converting this right, that should be 6pm in London. Since its 10am on the west coast.
King
Here's a mockup pic of what the new iPad 2 may look like based on the cases that have been seen. Clearly visible is the larger/grilled speaker area, SD card slot, camera, etc. It's also much thinner than the current iPad (about half). So, the weight should be significantly less. Looks pretty slick! :love
- Pretty good roundup of rumors and guesses here:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/02/24/apple-slated-to-announce-ipad-2-march-2-we-round-up-the-rumors/ (http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/02/24/apple-slated-to-announce-ipad-2-march-2-we-round-up-the-rumors/)
Since the Mac Book Pro lineup was refreshed earlier today (which are very nice upgrades btw) (head over to apple.com to check em out) its looking like that event will be about the iPad 2. Its way too early for the iPhone/iPods and iTunes has never needed an event (except for that "event" about the one famous music group...;))
But I agree, if the iPad is looking that slim, its very very nice indeed :)
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 23, 2011, 06:43:26 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 23, 2011, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 23, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 23, 2011, 10:19:18 AM
Cook is presenting to the annual shareholder meeting right now. Steve isn't there. It's awful to say, but we in the investment community are evaluating Apple as a post Steve Jobs company at this point. I don't think he is coming back and that's what I have advised my clients.
:( That really sucks, I'm glad he's still participating, but I respected Jobs for being the type of CEO who stood his own ground and if you were with him great, if you weren't he didn't care. I truly hope Apple's Tim Cook is up to the task, he has a lot of eyes on him right now.
In other news, is this thing going to be streamed over the internet like the last one was? If so, I'd be willing to host an "Apple event" on Skype for those of us who aren't working at the time (yay me!)
King
I'd be up for that Tim, once I figure out what time it is on over here and if I'm free! :)
Uhh, if I'm converting this right, that should be 6pm in London. Since its 10am on the west coast.
King
Hmmm might be a bit early for me then. I've got 2 kids to get bathed at that time. :)
Hehe....
iPad 2 Review - Hands On [HD] 17th of February 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct1_r_61sk8#ws)
MobileMe is no longer being sold in stores and the paid-for version is no longer available on Apple.com. This is adding fuel to the fire of MobileMe going free and iTunes over the cloud coming. (Personally think we'll just see a free MobileMe, but we'll see). Probably going to announce this at the event next week. In either case, MobileMe is probably going to be radically changed since its basically been a "meh" product from Apple.
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/24/mobileme-boxed-copies-going-away/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/24/mobileme-boxed-copies-going-away/)
iOS 4.3 is coming soon, probably next week.
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/24/ios-4-3-gold-master-rumored-ready/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/24/ios-4-3-gold-master-rumored-ready/)
Lion OSX is also coming soon.
(Sorry, no info on it, but its a really good guess :P)
Endgaget goes hands-on with the new Macbook Pros:
http://engt.co/h3nNR0 (http://engt.co/h3nNR0)
Steve Jobs hits 56 years old:
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/24/happy-birthday-steve-jobs/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/24/happy-birthday-steve-jobs/)
iPod Nano Updated:
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/24/ipod-nano-updated-control-music-using-sleep-wake-button/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/24/ipod-nano-updated-control-music-using-sleep-wake-button/)
Girl Scout cookies available via mobile payments: :P
http://engt.co/hpgNUs (http://engt.co/hpgNUs)
Great time to be an Apple fan this next month. All sorts of goodies :)
King
I still haven't found out if Apple is streaming this event like last time or not. Has anyone else?
Either way, I'm still holding the "Event" over Skype at 10am PST if anyone is interested (6pm EU time) so all you need is access to Skype and a willingness to talk technology for a while, which shouldn't be hard ;). This is open to both TSF and Anomaly members. Just leave a post here or ping me on Skype "kingisaaclinksr".
Non-Apple fans can join too, but if you berate our tech during the entire call we reserve the right to do it back to you, so you've been warned :P.
I know its an inconvenient time too, but if you can join, great!
King
I would guess you could find the "event" on either www.ustream.com (http://www.ustream.com) and/or www.justin.tv (http://www.justin.tv)
Quote from: Rico on February 28, 2011, 10:18:06 AM
I would guess you could find the "event" on either www.ustream.com (http://www.ustream.com) and/or www.justin.tv (http://www.justin.tv)
Well, I just meant in the official capacity that Apple did in their October event and one prior. Haven't seen anything so maybe/maybe not.
King
Yes, I know you were looking for "official." But if that isn't happening I was just giving some alternatives. Because you know there will be a ton of people there with their little iPhones and other devices pointed at the stage, streaming it out. ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 28, 2011, 10:25:16 AM
Yes, I know you were looking for "official." But if that isn't happening I was just giving some alternatives. Because you know there will be a ton of people there with their little iPhones and other devices pointed at the stage, streaming it out. ;)
Oh yes, I am quite sure they will be :P. Thanks for the alternatives.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 28, 2011, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 28, 2011, 10:25:16 AM
Yes, I know you were looking for "official." But if that isn't happening I was just giving some alternatives. Because you know there will be a ton of people there with their little iPhones and other devices pointed at the stage, streaming it out. ;)
Oh yes, I am quite sure they will be :P. Thanks for the alternatives.
King
Maybe for five minutes.... before the wifi crashes out! ;)
But isn't that what 3G or 4G is used for? ;)
One of the more recent iPad 2 rumors - getting it in white! Again, just a rumor based on this picture floating around in cyberspace. I would prefer a black bezel if I got one, but some might like white.
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/28/6151610-the-elusive-great-white-ipad-2 (http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/28/6151610-the-elusive-great-white-ipad-2)
At this point, I'm just waiting till Wednesday. Misinformation could be spread by Apple.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on February 28, 2011, 02:55:58 PM
At this point, I'm just waiting till Wednesday. Misinformation could be spread by Apple.
Surely they never would... ')
So Tim, you ordering an iPad 2 when they go on sale? I'm still very tempted even though my need might not be as great being back home. Anyone else think they might order one??
I understand the iPad2 will be like $150-200 more expensive. Hope this means the iPad1's will be cheaper!! :)
Rico...c'mon, we all know Tim. He's not going to buy one!! :) He's actually cheaper than I AM!! :) LOL
If I had the money it would be in my hand. I've been waiting for the 2nd version. I hadn't heard that it was more expensive. :( Oh well. When I do get it, I will get the wireless keyboard and stand for it as I am going to use it for writing up my podcast notes when I am out and about.
If anyone is interested, here's engadget's live blog feed:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/)
Quote from: moyer777 on March 02, 2011, 09:34:04 AM
If I had the money it would be in my hand. I've been waiting for the 2nd version. I hadn't heard that it was more expensive. :( Oh well. When I do get it, I will get the wireless keyboard and stand for it as I am going to use it for writing up my podcast notes when I am out and about.
With all that extra money, why not get a Airbook?
I'm actually tempted to try and pick up one of the hundreds of used ipad 1's that will be on eBay after 2 is launched. Should be able to puck one up pretty cheap.
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 06:56:09 AM
So Tim, you ordering an iPad 2 when they go on sale? I'm still very tempted even though my need might not be as great being back home. Anyone else think they might order one??
Yes, I'm getting one when it goes on sale, been saving for some time now to get it. Just like the iPhone last year, this will be my gadget upgrade for the year 2011. :)
King
Here's another live blog. Steve Jobs is on stage!
http://live.appleinsider.com/ (http://live.appleinsider.com/)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60)
There is no video of this event.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 10:10:51 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60)
There is no video of this event.
King
There never is.
Quote from: X on March 02, 2011, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 10:10:51 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60)
There is no video of this event.
King
There never is.
Last two events had official video from Apple.
King
Tim - were those previous event video's sent out live? This is why I suggested Ustream and Justin.tv.
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: X on March 02, 2011, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 10:10:51 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60)
There is no video of this event.
King
There never is.
Last two events had official video from Apple.
King
Are you sure? I remember the same blogging that's going on now.
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 10:15:27 AM
Tim - were those previous event video's sent out live? This is why I suggested Ustream and Justin.tv.
Yeah, already checked Ustream and Justin. TWiT is saying video is not being done on this event.
King
15 million iPads sold in 2010, amazing.
Well, no video "officially" it seems. ;)
They haven't done video recently, who cares, just read the blog.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
15 million iPads sold in 2010, amazing.
Bryan - without you getting one it would only have been 14,999,999. So it's really good you got one so they got to 15 million. ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:17:59 AM
They haven't done video recently, who cares, just read the blog.
Yeah, reading the blog...
King
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:17:59 AM
They haven't done video recently, who cares, just read the blog.
Who cares? About Apple?? Did Bryan really write that??? Who are you?!?
Dual processor, 2x faster CPU, better graphic perfromance...
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:17:59 AM
They haven't done video recently, who cares, just read the blog.
Who cares? About Apple?? Did Bryan really write that??? Who are you?!?
No, I mean who cares about video, just read. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:20:48 AM
Dual processor, 2x faster CPU, better graphic perfromance...
Givens....had to have these.
Front camera, rear camera, gyro ... nothing unexpected yet.
Wow, it 5mm thinner, even thinner than an iPhone and weighs .2 lbs less. Front and rear cameras, gyroscope...and black and white!
It's good to see they addressed the weight issues that some were bitching about.
"Everything is proceeding as I have forseen it."
Same price. I knew they wouldn't raise the price!
Same Price! Now I'm impressed
shipping March 11th.
March 11 is kinda soon
And 25th for us Canadians.
Ditching the case for a cover ... waiting to see what a cover looks like
I'd like it more if it wasn't new born baby boy blue.
That cover sounds very cool, I don't like the current after market options. It comes in 5 colors.
Wow! Tons more colors! I'll take it in classic black.
Hmm, not sure about that cover. Have to play with it in person.
By tons, I mean 10 total.
Good call with letting it stream to your MAc. That's good for driving mac sales.
HDMI video out.
Did they give the screen resolution yet? Did I miss that spec??
I'm actually surprised. I heard it was going to cost more...hmm. Perhaps...Nah. I'd have to sell ANOTHER kidney to get one, and I only have 4 left! :)
Personal hotspot for iPhone 4 users.
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 10:36:27 AM
Did they give the screen resolution yet? Did I miss that spec??
1080p.
If they can fix the connection issues, that will rock. By they I mean the providers not Apple
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:38:32 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 10:36:27 AM
Did they give the screen resolution yet? Did I miss that spec??
1080p.
1080p is the out resolution, not the ipad resolution. They haven't said what that is yet.
Oh, they said "works with all aps up to 1080p". I don't think they will have a change in screen resolution in this model.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:40:59 AM
Oh, they said "works with all aps up to 1080p"/
That's the same line you got fed from Zune HD. It translates to "if you have something that runs in HD, you can see it on HD when running it through the HD out."
Gotcha'.
What Chris said about the 1080p Bryan being output. They need higher screen resolution in my view than ipad1.
Looks like it won't have Retina display if they are singling that feature out as being on the other devices.
Quote from: X on March 02, 2011, 10:46:26 AM
Looks like it won't have Retina display if they are singling that feature out as being on the other devices.
We pretty much knew that wasnt' happening. Retina on the iPad would be too costly.
King
I just want a frakking spec list. :)
I'm worried at how much ending you could do with it as your main device and such limited memory when it comes to HD film requirements
I'm getting this. 32GB Wifi only. I'm sold.
King
1.3lb weight
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 10:45:29 AM
What Chris said about the 1080p Bryan being output. They need higher screen resolution in my view than ipad1.
Well, what they needed to do with this update is address the immediate competition and hold the price point. This is a huge win for them, if I were Motorolla or RIM I would be very worried.
I'd like more tech info and less flash
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ (http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/)
King
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 10:45:29 AM
What Chris said about the 1080p Bryan being output. They need higher screen resolution in my view than ipad1.
Well, what they needed to do with this update is address the immediate competition and hold the price point. This is a huge win for them, if I were Motorolla or RIM I would be very worried.
Who is the immediate competition? I'm still trying to figure that one out. So far, the specs haven't blown away one of my fav devices, but I think that this is the Apple of old that I like. They are trying to give you more bang for your buck and I really value that.
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Quote from: X on March 02, 2011, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 10:45:29 AM
What Chris said about the 1080p Bryan being output. They need higher screen resolution in my view than ipad1.
Well, what they needed to do with this update is address the immediate competition and hold the price point. This is a huge win for them, if I were Motorolla or RIM I would be very worried.
Who is the immediate competition? I'm still trying to figure that one out. So far, the specs haven't blown away one of my fav devices, but I think that this is the Apple of old that I like. They are trying to give you more bang for your buck and I really value that.
They don't need to beat the specs, they just need to be even because they are Apple and it's the product and eco-system people want to have.
$4.99 for garageband. Nice!
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
$4.99 for garageband. Nice!
King
Case in point. The App eco system for iPhone and iPad is so huge.
I'm sold, I could care less that the Xoom has slightly better specs, Apple has a guaranteed ecosystem that won't screw me over unlike Verizon.
King
Very impressed. And tempted.... :Bow:
Btw, despite no SD-card slot, services like Dropbox can supplement the lack of this feature. Just an FYI.
King
Just talked my father into buying one. on the phone with apple now
No preorders.... Can order on release date.
And yes I know that i just talked my father into buying an iPAD, but I think it better fits his lifestyle than the stuff he has now
Quote from: X on March 02, 2011, 11:28:37 AM
No preorders.... Can order on release date.
Yeah, found that out. Darn. Have to wait...
King
Btw, the cover does have different colors to it so you can customize it beyond the "Baby blue". I'm thinking I might get it just to see what it is like and then buy a 3rd party one once I see something I like.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 11:33:56 AM
Btw, the cover does have different colors to it so you can customize it beyond the "Baby blue". I'm thinking I might get it just to see what it is like and then buy a 3rd party one once I see something I like.
King
We already said that. :P
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 11:33:56 AM
Btw, the cover does have different colors to it so you can customize it beyond the "Baby blue". I'm thinking I might get it just to see what it is like and then buy a 3rd party one once I see something I like.
King
We already said that. :P
You guys post so much I can hardly keep up lol!
King
They are going to sell these hand over fist.
I'm totaly sold on this, it will be a perfect fit for what I do, from podcasting to recording, I am already hooked. Now, I have to be patient while I save up the moola. So awesome.
Interesting, according to http://www.apple.com/ios/ (http://www.apple.com/ios/) iOS 4.3 is specifically compatible with "iPhone 4 GSM model". I guess Verizon users get to sit on 4.2 for awhile. I wonder if this how things will be going forward.
I'm trying not to watch this thread because I love my first gen iPad and all the hoopla might make me value it less (as if it were possible). I do notice the weight when I am reading or holding it up for more than a few minutes but I'm not sure how much difference .2 lb would make
I met with a client prospect the other day who is a pilot for United. he fly's 777's and 747's to Tokyo weekly. United is looking to provide iPads to all their flight crews.
I was really hoping for better than 1024 x 768 resolution, but everything else sounds very good. A tempting gadget.
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 11:52:31 AM
I was really hoping for better than 1024 x 768 resolution, but everything else sounds very good. A tempting gadget.
It was pretty much figured that there wouldn't be a better resolution without fragmenting the App Store market and its generally known that Apple is trying to avoid that as much as possible. And Retina wasn't likely to be possible because that was a better resolution than the Macbook Pro and PC laptop markets.
King
Instead of going through pages of pages .. can someone direct me to a website or just tell me what the new functions/features are for this new ipad please?
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 02, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
Instead of going through pages of pages .. can someone direct me to a website or just tell me what the new functions/features are for this new ipad please?
http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/)
Right here. Nothing more descriptive. There is a spec sheet there too.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 02, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
Instead of going through pages of pages .. can someone direct me to a website or just tell me what the new functions/features are for this new ipad please?
http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/)
Right here. Nothing more descriptive. There is a spec sheet there too.
King
Thanks
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 02, 2011, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 02, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
Instead of going through pages of pages .. can someone direct me to a website or just tell me what the new functions/features are for this new ipad please?
http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/)
Right here. Nothing more descriptive. There is a spec sheet there too.
King
Thanks
Your welcome :).
Bit surprised Apple isn't doing preorders on this one. Oh well.
King
Did they do preordes for iPad?
Quote from: Bryancd on March 02, 2011, 12:07:55 PM
Did they do preordes for iPad?
I could have sworn they did, but I never tried buying it last time. So idk.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 11:58:53 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 11:52:31 AM
I was really hoping for better than 1024 x 768 resolution, but everything else sounds very good. A tempting gadget.
It was pretty much figured that there wouldn't be a better resolution without fragmenting the App Store market and its generally known that Apple is trying to avoid that as much as possible. And Retina wasn't likely to be possible because that was a better resolution than the Macbook Pro and PC laptop markets.
King
I don't think those are the real reasons. I think Apple always holds a few things back. I will bet money that iPad 3 increases resolution by a significant amount. I was just hoping for a bit of a bump this time too. I'm still on the fence about getting one but a higher resolution would have sealed the deal for me.
Nice little hands on review of iPad 2:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/ipad-2-first-hands-on/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/ipad-2-first-hands-on/)
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 12:10:48 PM
I think Apple always holds a few things back. I will bet money that iPad 3 increases resolution by a significant amount. I was just hoping for a bit of a bump this time too. I'm still on fence about getting one but a higher resolution would have sealed the deal for me.
I wouldn't take that bet! :) Like I mentioned, next gen and now possibly seeing that in September if some of the rumors prove to be true. With a March 11th date for this model, it's possible...
Well, guess we will find out with iPad 3.0. Whenever it comes out. Still, I said I'd wait for Apple to go and fix the "issues" with the original iPad and they did. Now just have to wait for next friday to roll around.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 02, 2011, 12:14:01 PM
Well, guess we will find out with iPad 3.0. Whenever it comes out. Still, I said I'd wait for Apple to go and fix the "issues" with the original iPad and they did. Now just have to wait for next friday to roll around.
King
and hope to god there's enough stock!
Anyone got pricing on the 3G data plans? Are there technical differences in how it functions on 3G with AT&T vs. Verizon?
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 12:16:58 PM
Anyone got pricing on the 3G data plans? Are there technical differences in how it functions on 3G with AT&T vs. Verizon?
The only difference is how each Carrier's data is in the area you live. Pricing is probably the same as the original iPad. Which I don't know atm.
King
Quote from: moyer777 on March 02, 2011, 11:48:11 AM
I'm totaly sold on this, it will be a perfect fit for what I do, from podcasting to recording, I am already hooked. Now, I have to be patient while I save up the moola. So awesome.
Welcome to my boat! Where would you like to sail to? Lol
Remember this is a ten inch screen. There's only so much that high resolution can offer you at that size. Everything I watch on my iPad looks fantastic. I believe I read that the new iPad will output to external devices with a an HDMI adapter (sold separately) at 1080p, but there was some question whether this was actually upscaled 720p.
It will be upscaled 720p as it doesn't support 1080p playback on the device. Unless you jailbreak of course! ;)
Just to point out, the best resolution on the tablet market is the Xoom at 1280X800. The rest are 1024x768 or worse. (iPad, HP Touch, etc). The Playbook is 1024x600. The only reason I can see that the Xoom has a better resolution is that it has a 10.1 inch screen. The rest are 9.7 and below.
But I point this out to say that your not missing out on anything resolution wise compared to the competition.
King
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/apples-digital-av-adapter-also-works-with-iphone-4-fourth-gen/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/apples-digital-av-adapter-also-works-with-iphone-4-fourth-gen/)
Think I just might get that cable.
King
And I agree that at that size screen native 1080p is unnecessary. Even smallish HDTVs ( sub 40" ) it can be argued whether native 1080p as opposed to 720p is warranted.
Quote from: Dangelus on March 02, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
And I agree that at that size screen native 1080p is unnecessary. Even smallish HDTVs ( sub 40" ) it can be argued whether native 1080p as opposed to 720p is warranted.
I barely notice the difference between 1080p and 720p. All I know is that 1080p is a lot harder to stream over the internet that 720p on Youtube and related. If its HD, its good enough for me ;)
King
It depends on the size of the screen that you're using and the refresh rate of the system. You really don't need more than 720 on anything 38" or less unless you're inches away from the screen.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html (http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html)
Guys, with regards to resolution you are missing a pretty big thing. The iPad isn't just for video. You are talking in terms of video content resolution - such as 720p and 1080p. Raise your hand if your computer monitor is 1024 x 768. I'm guessing not many raised their hand. TEXT is very important and other things like photo viewing and so forth. And for all that (and more) higher resolution is definitely helpful. I sit many feet away from my 1080p TV watching fluid video content, but try reading fine text on it. In any case, as tablets progress resolution is obviously going to increase.
Very good point Rico. Quite right! :)
As you well know, it's not all about pixel count. The amount of space you squeeze those pixels into has some influence on the matter too.
Quote from: Rico on March 02, 2011, 02:20:52 PM
Guys, with regards to resolution you are missing a pretty big thing. The iPad isn't just for video. You are talking in terms of video content resolution - such as 720p and 1080p. Raise your hand if your computer monitor is 1024 x 768. I'm guessing not many raised their hand. TEXT is very important and other things like photo viewing and so forth. And for all that (and more) higher resolution is definitely helpful. I sit many feet away from my 1080p TV watching fluid video content, but try reading fine text on it. In any case, as tablets progress resolution is obviously going to increase.
I don't get what you mean by this. I don't see where we were missing anything. The question was about HD resolution and not the Text reading aspects of it. That being said, I can read text fine on my TV while sitting 8'3" away (measured to insure optimal Kinect space). Are you saying that the resolution of the ipad is good or bad? I'm pretty sure that the resolution isn't going to increase much more than it already is because more pixel and pixel processing needs are going to mean less battery life.
I'm pretty sure that Apple isn't even going to attempt to make the iPAD do everything or even close to it. If it has HD streaming and other perks like that, it cuts into the need for Airbooks and Macbooks. Maybe the competition might come with a better resolution, but not better resolution + same battery life + same dimensions.
Also, Feathers is right. 1080 x728 is a lot prettier on 9.1 than it is on 22".
Do you read magazines or books on your TV? More resolution is better and will also make reading and viewing web pages easier on the iPad. I'm not saying it's bad now, I'm just saying it could be better (and will be better).
Here's another thing to keep in mind. As people get bigger monitors for their computers, laptops with higher resolution, web pages will start to be optimized for higher resolutions. 640 x 480 used to be the norm. Then it moved to 1024 x 768 and soon it will move to an average of probably 1280 x 800 or 1280 x 1024. With multi-tasking it's nice to have higher resolution with multiple apps going. This is an obvious thing to improve upon and other tablets will also be notching it up too. It's going to happen. Like I said earlier I'll take any bets anyone has against the iPad 3 having a higher resolution than iPad 2. Even Bryan agreed with me on that one. ;)
There's no need for full 1080p for video, however Rico is right, the point of the "retina display" is to display text in a form that is indistinguishable from magazine print. My old iPhone has aliasing on the text that made it looks fuzzy.
With regard to websites, any site I create these days is usable at 1024 x 768 resolution. Any less then that and you're side-scrolling. I wish I could optimize for higher but that's the industry standard at the moment.
Quote from: Rico on March 03, 2011, 08:07:19 AM
Even Bryan agreed with me on that one. ;)
:)
I think it will be dependent on what the other tablet manufacturers do when they revise their products (Samsung, RIM, Motorola). If there is consumer demand for better resolution and they adopt it, so to will Apple. the only thing is I don't think there is a huge demand for higher resolution at this point. That certainly may change, but without excpetion, everyone I know who has an iPad has no complaint with the current resolution...in fact most don't even understand how that works. :)
In my opinion what needs more optimizing is the rate at which data loads from a webpage as you scroll down the page. I hate how as you scroll down the page you see jumbled, scrabbled data that first loads in all fuzzy then clears to be readable. I'd like to see it load the whole page into memory at once for instant viewing.
Yeah, I think that's also caused by how strong the wireless connectivity is. If I am far from my base station, pages load slower.
So I got home last night and saw that the new iOS had been released. The coolest new feature is home sharing from the iTunes library to devices running iOS 4.3 (3GS+and iPad) on the same network. I tried it out last night and it seems to work flawlessly. Not sure why it didn't ship with this functionality but it's definitely a great feature.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on March 10, 2011, 04:38:58 AM
So I got home last night and saw that the new iOS had been released. The coolest new feature is home sharing from the iTunes library to devices running iOS 4.3 (3GS+and iPad) on the same network. I tried it out last night and it seems to work flawlessly. Not sure why it didn't ship with this functionality but it's definitely a great feature.
Is this Mac only? Or will iTunes on a PC be capable of streaming too???
I believe it works for PCs as well. Need to update my phone to see.
I haven't tried but I'm 100% certain it works from any computer running the latest version of iTunes to any iPhone 3GS or higher, recent iPod touch, or iPad, as long as they're running iOS 4.3. Interestingly, this update is not available for the Verizon iPhone nor has any time frame for it's release been projected.
I am up and running on iOS 4.3 without incident on both the iPad and iPhone 3GS. Now I am just waiting for tomorrow to get the new iPad 2. See my blog for my thoughts.
Http://Rickpeete.blogspot.com (Http://rickpeete.blogspot.com)
-Rick
I must be missing something, I have the sharing setup on my network, but how do I access it? Through the iPod-app?
King
Quote from: RickPeete on March 10, 2011, 11:53:59 AM
I am up and running on iOS 4.3 without incident on both the iPad and iPhone 3GS. Now I am just waiting for tomorrow to get the new iPad 2. See my blog for my thoughts.
http://Rickpeete.blogspot.com (http://rickpeete.blogspot.com)
-Rick
Cool Rick. Are you going to the Apple to store to get one? If you snag one in time for our Skype chat on Saturday I think we all would love to hear about it.
I am probably going to buy it from a Best Buy so I can get the Reward Zone points for it. In fact, I am getting my wife one as well. (I am selling my current one on Gazelle.com and between that and using some Reward Zone vouchers, I can basically pay for hers.)
I am getting the 64gb 3G white version and the wife is getting the 16gb black one w/o 3G.
So if I get it tomorrow, I will use it to make the Skype call on Saturday!
I'm getting the 32 GB White Wifi-Only one. Gives me a reasonable amount of balance with storage for economic sake. If I truly need 3G power, I can always bounce a signal off my iPhone.
King
So you guys like the white look. Interesting.
P.S. Tim - doesn't Wi-Fi tethering via your iPhone cost like $20 more a month - just for that?
Quote from: Rico on March 10, 2011, 05:52:40 PM
So you guys like the white look. Interesting.
P.S. Tim - doesn't Wi-Fi tethering via your iPhone cost like $20 more a month - just for that?
Yes, but it also gives you 2 more GBs (in addition to the 2GB data plan for iPhone) to use and compared to buying a 3G iPad, you pay $120 for the hardware and $25/month for 2GBs. The iPhone Wifi Hotspot in my opinion is a backup. I have wifi at school and home (such as my home wifi is...) and those are really the only places I plan on using my iPad for the near future. For the rest of the time, I can use the iPhone and if I really need 3G on my iPad for a month, I can put down $20 and should be fine.
So I have thought this out just a bit ;).
King
I guess if you have an iPhone and already paying the overhead and monthly costs on that it sort of makes sense. So that's about $75 iphone cost + $20 more for tethering a month.
So does that 2GB per month run out if you just do some basic web surfing? Seems like such a small amount to me. Is there an unlimited plan for either the iPhone or iPad anymore??
If your doing basic web surfing and social networking stuff (no Downloading apps or iTunes or Youtubing), the 250MB (basic) plan should suit you. 2GBs is actually a tad big but 250 MB is too small for my use. I still think its overpriced though. But as long as you got Wifi at home, it is really easy to keep under 250MB or 2GBs. I pay $68 and I would be paying less but guess what, AT&T has fees >_>...
As for 2GBs. I went on a trip to Disney and used my iPhone's 3G data pretty intensively on the trip to and from Oregon. At the end of the month I spent 1.15GBs I believe. I didn't do a lot of video streaming, but that's pretty much impossible to do on 3G while moving 65-75MPH in a car. I almost think its impossible to hit 2GBs on the iPhone unless you have 0 access to Wifi during a month. (Only exception to this is video streaming. This costs a lot of data bandwith compared to anything else. So a lot of Netflix over 3G will cost ya) This is due to how Apple setup iOS to restrict data usage while audio/video streaming (using lower quality bits per second) and its multitasking keeps data flows to a minimum.
There is no unlimited plan or at least, there won't be once May rolls around. Verizon has it available for their verison of the iPhone but its disappearing soon. iPad unlimited data is no longer available.
King
Did you figure out Home Sharing yet Tim? It's easy to set up, go into settings under iPod and add in your apple ID and password. Then you should have an option under your videos or music to switch from your local device (iPhone/iPad/iPod) to your shared library on your network.
Here's a link with instructions:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/guides/2011/03/how-to-set-up-itunes-home-sharing-to-stream-to-your-ios-device.ars (http://arstechnica.com/apple/guides/2011/03/how-to-set-up-itunes-home-sharing-to-stream-to-your-ios-device.ars)
To me at least, the iOS 4.3 isn't really all that impressive. The tethering thing...a waste in my opinion. I mean, if ATT had a reliable network so that you could count on being in 3G when you need it, then maybe. But the thing I just am fuming about is ATT is charging MORE to use it! What the?! And at $20 more per month, not worth it at all. I highly discourage this. I love my iPhone 4, but hate ATT. Stuck with them for another year. If ATT doesn't improve their network, they'd better start boxing up their offices because Verizon will be on the hunt....my two cents.
Canadian carriers support the mobile hotspot at no extra charge, so I'm liking it.
Just had a look at mine and it suggested I call Orange to arrange it. I assume from that that more money will be required (but haven't confimed it yet).
No thanks.
Feathers, I agree. Billybob :P :)
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on March 11, 2011, 06:09:51 AM
Did you figure out Home Sharing yet Tim? It's easy to set up, go into settings under iPod and add in your apple ID and password. Then you should have an option under your videos or music to switch from your local device (iPhone/iPad/iPod) to your shared library on your network.
Here's a link with instructions:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/guides/2011/03/how-to-set-up-itunes-home-sharing-to-stream-to-your-ios-device.ars (http://arstechnica.com/apple/guides/2011/03/how-to-set-up-itunes-home-sharing-to-stream-to-your-ios-device.ars)
Yeah, I figured it out. I looked everywhere but the iPod settings first time around.
My iPad is ordered. 3-5 days to shipping so it'll be showing up sometime during my Spring Break. Cannot complain about that whatsoever. :)
King
Anyone hear how store sales are going? Did they run out yet??
Scott posted on twitter that he ordered online and they are putting shipping at 3 weeks.
Estimates for the weekend sales might reach 600,000 with up to 20% being current iPad owners upgrading. Apple is estimating a 2-3 week ship time from their online store. I haven't heard what is going on at the retail stores yet.
Quote from: Rico on March 11, 2011, 09:09:58 AM
Anyone hear how store sales are going? Did they run out yet??
Wont know till 5pm tonight, that's when they start selling.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 11, 2011, 09:20:42 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 11, 2011, 09:09:58 AM
Anyone hear how store sales are going? Did they run out yet??
Wont know till 5pm tonight, that's when they start selling.
King
Oh. 5pm what time zone? Based on your local time??
Quote from: Rico on March 11, 2011, 09:21:47 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 11, 2011, 09:20:42 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 11, 2011, 09:09:58 AM
Anyone hear how store sales are going? Did they run out yet??
Wont know till 5pm tonight, that's when they start selling.
King
Oh. 5pm what time zone? Based on your local time??
5PM PDT. So yeah, local.
King
No 5pm PST would be 8pm EST. So it isn't 5pm local to me.
Quote from: Rico on March 11, 2011, 09:30:04 AM
No 5pm PST would be 8pm EST. So it isn't 5pm local to me.
Sorry, meant it was local on my end. Whoops
King
So Tim, does that mean that at 5 pm you time, ALL Apple Stores will begin selling the iPad2? Or is it 5pm everyone's local time?
Quote from: QuadShot on March 11, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
So Tim, does that mean that at 5 pm you time, ALL Apple Stores will begin selling the iPad2? Or is it 5pm everyone's local time?
I believe it is 5PM my time, not your local time.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 11, 2011, 09:59:28 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on March 11, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
So Tim, does that mean that at 5 pm you time, ALL Apple Stores will begin selling the iPad2? Or is it 5pm everyone's local time?
I believe it is 5PM my time, not your local time.
King
That doesn't make any sense. It's 5pm EVERYONE's local time, I just called our local store to confirm. Sales begin here in AZ at 5pm MST. Seriously, Tim, did you actually think they would go on sale at 8:00pm in New York? :wallbash:
Quote from: Bryancd on March 11, 2011, 10:08:04 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 11, 2011, 09:59:28 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on March 11, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
So Tim, does that mean that at 5 pm you time, ALL Apple Stores will begin selling the iPad2? Or is it 5pm everyone's local time?
I believe it is 5PM my time, not your local time.
King
That doesn't make any sense. It's 5pm EVERYONE's local time, I just called our local store to confirm. Sales begin here in AZ at 5pm MST. Seriously, Tim, did you actually think they would go on sale at 8:00pm in New York? :wallbash:
I recall seeing it say "5PM PST" on Apple's site. However I'm obviously wrong so maybe I misread it. Ah well.
King ;)
Knucklehead. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on March 11, 2011, 10:08:04 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 11, 2011, 09:59:28 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on March 11, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
So Tim, does that mean that at 5 pm you time, ALL Apple Stores will begin selling the iPad2? Or is it 5pm everyone's local time?
I believe it is 5PM my time, not your local time.
King
That doesn't make any sense. It's 5pm EVERYONE's local time, I just called our local store to confirm. Sales begin here in AZ at 5pm MST. Seriously, Tim, did you actually think they would go on sale at 8:00pm in New York? :wallbash:
Or...2 am for Meds? :) I can see Meds now: dressed in his Spiderman underoos, bathrobe only partly closed, standing in line at the Apple Store! :)
Yeah it's definitely 5pm everywhere regardless of time zone
Quote from: Bryancd on March 11, 2011, 10:19:43 AM
Knucklehead. :)
Wow, you weren't kidding in your FastForward comment: "Suck it up buttercup"! :)
Quote from: QuadShot on March 11, 2011, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 11, 2011, 10:19:43 AM
Knucklehead. :)
Wow, you weren't kidding in your FastForward comment: "Suck it up buttercup"! :)
We also live by the creed H.T.F.U. That would be Harden The....you can guess the rest. :) Helps during a race to keep these thoughts in mind.
:) Check out the Waffle On episode about Chopper!! You'll love that! It's his motto :)
Mess shouldn't be queueing anywhere yet! They're not available until March 25th.
Which is why it's funny! :)
I'll be there naked Al, that's get the people running scared lol
Oh good one Meds! That way, no one is in line in front of you!! EXCELLENT!
They just handed out the tickets to all of us in line. I have one ticket for a 64gb 3G white and a second for a 16gb black. There are over 200 people here... Probably more.
TWIT is doing live coverage at the popup store at SXSW in Austin.
I think I'll buy one in a couple months after they work all the new bugs out of it. ;)
Quote from: Rico on March 11, 2011, 03:12:49 PM
I think I'll buy one in a couple months after they work all the new bugs out of it. ;)
*gasps*, BUGS!? BUGS?!! This is an Apple product, there is no such thing as bugs, flaws or imperfections!! Repent and hope to be forgiven by Steve Jobs! Repent your evil thoughts!
Ok, ok, maybe that's going overboard :P Just kidding.
King
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on March 11, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
I'll be there naked Al, that's get the people running scared lol
That's my kind of queueing!
It almost makes me feel bad for Samsung, Motorola, Research in Motion...but not really. :)
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/14/amazing_demand_for_ipad_2_seen_as_insurmountable_lead_for_apple.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/14/amazing_demand_for_ipad_2_seen_as_insurmountable_lead_for_apple.html)
Xoom is doomed. Its going to get crushed by the PR of the iPad 2.0. RIM has a chance.....with the business sector, as long as the new OS isn't a disaster. We'll see on the Samsung front. It sounds like they are going to change something on their new gen to make it competitive...if that's possible.
But since iPad 2.0 outperforms the Xoom by a huge margin, the Droids have to ramp it up in order to be competitive again.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 11, 2011, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: Rico on March 11, 2011, 03:12:49 PM
I think I'll buy one in a couple months after they work all the new bugs out of it. ;)
*gasps*, BUGS!? BUGS?!! This is an Apple product, there is no such thing as bugs, flaws or imperfections!! Repent and hope to be forgiven by Steve Jobs! Repent your evil thoughts!
Ok, ok, maybe that's going overboard :P Just kidding.
King
You all know I love Apple, but Tim...remember GarageBand? The new version is so FULL of bugs I had to call the Orkon Man! :)
Yeah, and that's been pretty bad on their part to have that many bugs :( Hopefully its fixed soon.
King
I've not seen any specs or details but somebody I follow tweeted that the mk2 Samsung Galaxy tab is looking impressive.
I've not seen any specs or details but somebody I follow tweeted that the mk2 Samsung Galaxy tab is looking impressive.
That good Dan you posted it twice ;)
Lol don't know what happen there!
Blatant post count manipulation on Dangelus' part!
I'm waking to see if v1 iPads come down to a sensible level on the second hand market. I couldn't justify a new one even if I wanted to.
Quote from: Feathers on March 15, 2011, 01:58:34 AM
Blatant post count manipulation on Dangelus' part!
(http://thorgolucky.com/images/Banstick_Hyah.jpg)
Just Kidding :D
I'm tempted to pick up an iPad 1 on the cheap as well, but I know then I'd just feel bad I don't have a 2.
Quote from: billybob476 on March 15, 2011, 03:57:56 AM
I'm tempted to pick up an iPad 1 on the cheap as well, but I know then I'd just feel bad I don't have a 2.
That is the risk. We'll see.
I'm in the same indecisive boat myself gentlemen. 1 or 2....
Woohoo, another post for the count! ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on March 15, 2011, 06:33:55 AM
I'm in the same indecisive boat myself gentlemen. 1 or 2....
Woohoo, another post for the count! ;)
Eh! I say! Moderator?!
I suspect even #1's will still be too expensive for my non existant budget (translated as :- no matter how much it costs, I doubt my wife will want me to pay for it)
Quote from: Feathers on March 15, 2011, 06:39:06 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on March 15, 2011, 06:33:55 AM
I'm in the same indecisive boat myself gentlemen. 1 or 2....
Woohoo, another post for the count! ;)
Eh! I say! Moderator?!
I suspect even #1's will still be too expensive for my non existant budget (translated as :- no matter how much it costs, I doubt my wife will want me to pay for it)
Lol!
Actually your dilemma is spookily similar to mine!
On a related note, if I had an iPad I would most likely make less errors on the forum such as double posts as it has a bigger keyboard than the iPhone. ;)
I'm worse than you guys - I want iPad 3! :)
Ars posted their full review of the iPad 2. Seven pages of very interesting reading. To sum up:
The good
•Big bump in performance, especially graphics, makes iPad even more competitive in the mobile gaming space
•Doubling the memory makes apps and Web browsing more useful
•Device is thinner and lighter than the previous model, feels much more Kindle-like in the hand
•Users can now get a 3G iPad in both GSM/AT&T and CDMA/Verizon flavors
•Good battery life, can seemingly last forever on standby
The bad
•The new cameras are better than no cameras, though they're not particularly great
•"Real" GPS only comes with the 3G models
•Glass is thinner than before; be cautious of easier breakage
The ugly
•Display is the same old resolution as the original
•Still no Flash support, probably never will be
Check out the full article: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/03/ipad-2-the-ars-review.ars (http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/03/ipad-2-the-ars-review.ars)
Thinner glass? Didn't realize that. Interesting. Also funny how the new cameras are listed in the bad area. I mean how good of a camera did they think would be in there? For me the biggest knock is still the relatively low resolution. I expect that to get the most attention in iPad 3.
That is another dilemma. If I get an iPad 2 and version 3 comes out at Christmas like it is rumoured then I will not be happy!
If I get iPad 1 then not so much of a problem.
I think there's a real possibility of iPad 3 being announced in Sept. for the holiday season.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on March 15, 2011, 08:45:55 AM
The ugly
•Display is the same old resolution as the original
•Still no Flash support, probably never will be
Man, as a consumer and user of the product, those are just such non-issues for me. I think the sceen resolution looks great.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 15, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
I think there's a real possibility of iPad 3 being announced in Sept. for the holiday season.
It makes me wonder how much capability enhancement can be implemented in that short time. Why drive such a rapid update cycle?
Quote from: Feathers on March 15, 2011, 10:03:21 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 15, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
I think there's a real possibility of iPad 3 being announced in Sept. for the holiday season.
It makes me wonder how much capability enhancement can be implemented in that short time. Why drive such a rapid update cycle?
They will do it ONLY if they feel compelled to put all of their portable devices on the same update cyclical. Right now the iPad is sort of out of sync. Apple felt the need to respond quickly to the competition in this space, which was an inspired move on their part. By doing so, they have established real dominance in the space unlikely to be overcome anytime soon.
OK. I couldn't remember when the iPhone announcements generally were but September still feels wrong. I thought they were earlier?
Quote from: Feathers on March 15, 2011, 10:09:02 AM
OK. I couldn't remember when the iPhone announcements generally were but September still feels wrong. I thought they were earlier?
I was thinking more along iPod.
It reminds me of the current generation of console hardware (not accounting for Nintendo) in the video game world. Xbox 360 released almost a full year before Playstation 3, and I believe that earlier release gave Microsoft a huge advantage of an installed base of users that continues to impact software sales even five years later. Sony could never recover. Apple having the first tablet to market and the huge publicity surrounding it over the past year, and now releasing it's second generation hardware revision before some of it's potential competitors have even released their first has given Apple what appears to be an unsurmountable advantage.
Exactly right, Joby. And the product has delivered on the expectations and experience and continues to build off the existing Apple ecosystem, capturing even more new users and adopters.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 15, 2011, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on March 15, 2011, 08:45:55 AM
The ugly
•Display is the same old resolution as the original
•Still no Flash support, probably never will be
Man, as a consumer and user of the product, those are just such non-issues for me. I think the sceen resolution looks great.
Higher Rez would be nice but if we got it now the device would hugely expensive.
Flash support is an issue as it is still industry standard but my hope is that Apple's dominance will help get rid of it. It is inefficient and a resource hog. I have a couple of netboxes that can playback 1080p video but struggle with 480p flash content.
I guess the question is do you need 1080p on a 10" screen? I mean it's running at 1024 x 768 already which is basically 720p (which is 1280 x 720). My eyes are not that good!
See Rico's previous response. Higher rez not just for video content but other graphics are games would be beneficial.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on March 15, 2011, 10:20:27 AM
It reminds me of the current generation of console hardware (not accounting for Nintendo) in the video game world. Xbox 360 released almost a full year before Playstation 3, and I believe that earlier release gave Microsoft a huge advantage of an installed base of users that continues to impact software sales even five years later. Sony could never recover. Apple having the first tablet to market and the huge publicity surrounding it over the past year, and now releasing it's second generation hardware revision before some of it's potential competitors have even released their first has given Apple what appears to be an unsurmountable advantage.
Xbox held this advantage because their hardware and software were reasonable and popular. Lets face it, they have a lot of exclusive titles and hardware that works. Unlike Sony who overpriced their hardware and pulled a lot of features out of it before release. And a lackluster set of games on release doesn't exactly help either. It was a terrible PR move on their part.
I really don't see Apple adding an iPad 3.0. This would be a PR mistake. Because then we will expect iPads to come out ever 6 months, not every year throwing consumer doubt and some rage onto the fire. I can see them adding a special iPad 2.0 possibly. The high-end version if you will. I just don't see them pushing out a next generation iPad so soon.
But I could be wrong.
King
Quote from: billybob476 on March 15, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
I guess the question is do you need 1080p on a 10" screen? I mean it's running at 1024 x 768 already which is basically 720p (which is 1280 x 720). My eyes are not that good!
Like I've stated before in this thread, higher resolution will help text quite a bit. Also, keep in mind that Apple needs something flashy to upgrade in the next model/version. They've increased the basic hardware inside already, added cameras, made it lighter/thinner, so what's left? Basically at this point higher resolution and possibly more memory/storage. Maybe a card reader slot. So, based on that I think they definitely will upgrade the screen next go round.
Quote from: Rico on March 15, 2011, 02:21:17 PM
Quote from: billybob476 on March 15, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
I guess the question is do you need 1080p on a 10" screen? I mean it's running at 1024 x 768 already which is basically 720p (which is 1280 x 720). My eyes are not that good!
Like I've stated before in this thread, higher resolution will help text quite a bit. Also, keep in mind that Apple needs something flashy to upgrade in the next model/version. They've increased the basic hardware inside already, added cameras, made it lighter/thinner, so what's left? Basically at this point higher resolution and possibly more memory/storage. Maybe a card reader slot. So, based on that I think they definitely will upgrade the screen next go round.
More memory probably, higher resolution would be very tricky, Apple has been very anti-fragmentation so it'll be curious to see how they manage that. Card Reader maybe, but they do have an accessory for the iPad that does that already sooooo who knows.
King
Tim - I really I don't your point about fragmenting the market. The iPad is a tablet. It competes with tablets. If people want a laptop (or need one) I don't see them having an issue that a tablet may end up with higher res. than a laptop at some point. It's like saying a small car can't have a higher horsepower engine than say a sedan from the same company. They serve different needs.
Quote from: Rico on March 15, 2011, 02:27:55 PM
Tim - I really I don't your point about fragmenting the market. The iPad is a tablet. It competes with tablets. If people want a laptop (or need one) I don't see them having an issue that a tablet may end up with higher res. than a laptop at some point. It's like saying a small car can't have a higher horsepower engine than say a sedan from the same company. They serve different needs.
The problem is, is that a different resolution requires everyone to update their apps to the new resolution. I wasn't referring to hardware fragmentation but software fragmentation. Apple dislikes this.
King
Ahh, I see. Well, they did it before on the iPhone right and it seemed to work out ok. Besides, do all apps have to run at full screen size?
Quote from: Rico on March 15, 2011, 03:43:21 PM
Ahh, I see. Well, they did it before on the iPhone right and it seemed to work out ok. Besides, do all apps have to run at full screen size?
The iPhone 4 is double the display. This is easier to do because A: Original Apps still fit perfectly (albeit don't look that awesome, but they still work) and B: All you have to do is double the pixels of your art.
As for the 2nd question, idk. I don't have droid and they suffer from fragmentation on their software. I know some phone's on their OS can't use apps because their display is whacked. Do they have to run at full-screen? Personally yes. Technically....well, someone else will have to answer that question. Since Idk.
King
Not sure why I didn't think of this before but why can't the app just alter the screen resolution on the fly like a PC program does? Or you change it if you need to for older apps? I really don't think this will stop them from increasing the screen resolution.
I honestly don't know why. I'd have to ask an app developer for the answer to that question.
King
For you screen resolution weenies... :)
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/16/display_expert_says_ipad_2_lcd_nearly_as_good_as_iphone_4.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/16/display_expert_says_ipad_2_lcd_nearly_as_good_as_iphone_4.html)
I think the next iPad (whenever it is released) will support 4G, the higher resolution retina display, perhaps improved multitasking, and maybe better audio to go with their HDMI video output.
Flash will never be in the iPad unless Adobe concedes to changes in Flash to make it more stable and less of a CPU hog.
Rick - with regards to audio, do you find the iPad 2 has much more volume and better sound than your iPad 1?
Quote from: Bryancd on March 16, 2011, 06:49:15 AM
For you screen resolution weenies... :)
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/16/display_expert_says_ipad_2_lcd_nearly_as_good_as_iphone_4.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/16/display_expert_says_ipad_2_lcd_nearly_as_good_as_iphone_4.html)
4 inch screen vs. 10 inch screen. Ahh, what's wrong with this science? ;)
The speaker grille is larger and the sound is somewhat louder and has a bit more bass in it. But if you want to play something for a group more than 5-6, an external speaker would be best. I have a Logitech BT speaker which works great with the iPad/iPhone and has a BT stick for use with any PC/Mac.
I think Apple is going to rely on AirPlay/Headphones for "premium sound". That's not a bad idea either. I also have suspicions about MobileMe that makes me think the memory in iPhones/iPads may not improve for a while. (Just a theory though, I have no proof).
King
That is possible. I figure that MobileMe is going to be free soon, giving Apple the appearance of addressing cloud storage for its customers. It might also be a step at providing streaming audio to iDevices.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/16/iphone-personal-hotspot-transmitting-gps-information-to-tethered/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/16/iphone-personal-hotspot-transmitting-gps-information-to-tethered/)
This is nice for those that got the Wifi-Only version. Basically, if your hot-spotted to your iPhone 4, your iPad's location will be transmitted like it was a GPS signal. So google maps on your iPad will work just nicely. Connecting through Wifi in general still provides a general GPS location though, just not very specific.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 16, 2011, 09:53:01 PM
Connecting through Wifi in general still provides a general GPS location though, just not very specific.
Being pedantic as someone for whom GPS forms part of the daily working grind, if you're connected through WiFi you get absolutely NO GPS signal, just a generally not-very-specific location.
Sorry! ;)
Yeah it's wifi triangulation or something isn't it?
It's brilliant that the hotspot feature can access the gps chip. Shows there is more going on here than what could be done with a mifi device or jailbreak tethering.
Quote from: Feathers on March 17, 2011, 01:22:48 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 16, 2011, 09:53:01 PM
Connecting through Wifi in general still provides a general GPS location though, just not very specific.
Being pedantic as someone for whom GPS forms part of the daily working grind, if you're connected through WiFi you get absolutely NO GPS signal, just a generally not-very-specific location.
Sorry! ;)
Err, that's what I meant. My bad x_x.
King
Well, after a final long long wait (to me anyway), I got my hands on my iPad 2. LOVE this design, LOVE this look. :) Don't have much to say as I haven't played with it much, but going to love this I am :)
King
Awesome! Let us know what you think after you use it for a few days.
Quote from: Rico on March 21, 2011, 06:35:40 PM
Awesome! Let us know what you think after you use it for a few days.
Will do, will also be doing an audio review for Appytimes podcast as well later this week which will show up later on. :)
King
We should compare notes! I am doing a review on the iPad 2 this Saturday!
Sweet, looks nice in white.
I bought one "for my wife" on its release day. Black, 32GB wi-fi.
It's a very convenient device. It's usually on an endtable next to us when we're watching a movie. (Very useful for those emergency visits to IMDB.) When I wake up in the morning, I can check my e-mail while getting my coffee ready. I don't need to head to my home office and log onto my laptop.
32GB is the perfect amount of space for me, because I wanted 10+ hours of video for long car trips, to keep the kids entertained.
I love the ability to stream from my iTunes library on my PC.
I use the free CloudReader app to read the PDFs and CBRs that I've loaded up. My daughter enjoys reading the DC toon-based comics that I put on there for her.
iMovie is the only app I've bought so far, but it's very intuitive and was fun to use and got the job done for the one video I edited. Warning: it is a pain to get video recorded with other devices onto your iPad for use in iMovie. It's really set up to edit video taken with the iPad. Unfortunately, the photo and video cameras are low-quality. I think they will get the job done for ephemeral recordings, but I'd use my FlipVideo for anything I wanted to record for posterity.
I passed on the Smart Cover. I wanted something that wrapped around the whole device to give me more piece of mind when placing the iPad in a travel bag. (I'lll post a review of the cover I bought (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004N62I0C) when it arrives.)
Overall, the iPad 2 was a great purchase, one I don't regret at all.
On the note of iMove Dan, are you using an iPhone or a digital camera? Just curious.
I got the smart cover and its really nice. Well made and solid, the magnets hold on quite nicely and flipping the iPad around for viewing or typing, it just works. This I plan on using until I see an awesome case that covers the iPad and does more, in the mean time I bought a bag that I can just slip the iPad into. A Targus Crave. Mostly to avoid my iPad getting wet in our wonderful weather :).
@rpeete, works for me! :)
King
Here's a question - is there an easy way to stream various other video formats from your PC to the iPad 2? Things like in .wmv or .mkv format? Or does iTunes need to recognize the video file and you need it also under iTunes on your PC?
An app called Air Video does that. All formats even the rich ones. Requires wifi or 3G :)
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 22, 2011, 08:27:54 AM
On the note of iMove Dan, are you using an iPhone or a digital camera? Just curious.
I got the smart cover and its really nice.
King
I am using a digital camera. I read that importing from iPhone is easier.
I tried the smart cover and it is nice, just not what I was looking for.
Going to look into Air Video tonight. Thanks.
Quote from: Dan M on March 22, 2011, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 22, 2011, 08:27:54 AM
On the note of iMove Dan, are you using an iPhone or a digital camera? Just curious.
I got the smart cover and its really nice.
King
I am using a digital camera. I read that importing from iPhone is easier.
I tried the smart cover and it is nice, just not what I was looking for.
Going to look into Air Video tonight. Thanks.
One thing you might want to look at is the camera connectivity kit that Apple sells. It might work to transfer movies over.
King
Air Video is nice. I was watching HD Star Wars on there, and it looked sweet. Thanks.
How are you finding it in white? I have heard (Appslappy) that white can take your focus away from the screen (hence why Tv's are not in white)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on March 22, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
How are you finding it in white? I have heard (Appslappy) that white can take your focus away from the screen (hence why Tv's are not in white)
Hasn't bothered me yet.
King
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on March 22, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
How are you finding it in white? I have heard (Appslappy) that white can take your focus away from the screen (hence why Tv's are not in white)
I know someone with a white tv and monitor
Then they will be blind within a year ;)
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 21, 2011, 05:05:11 PM
Well, after a final long long wait (to me anyway), I got my hands on my iPad 2. LOVE this design, LOVE this look. :) Don't have much to say as I haven't played with it much, but going to love this I am :)
King
Nice Tim, but don't you know that it's bad to spill water on the iPad? I mean, it's all wet!!
Quote from: QuadShot on March 23, 2011, 03:50:43 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 21, 2011, 05:05:11 PM
Well, after a final long long wait (to me anyway), I got my hands on my iPad 2. LOVE this design, LOVE this look. :) Don't have much to say as I haven't played with it much, but going to love this I am :)
King
Nice Tim, but don't you know that it's bad to spill water on the iPad? I mean, it's all wet!!
*starts saying something, then realizes its a trap and withdraws*
King
He's catching on Al. ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on March 23, 2011, 03:18:22 PM
Then they will be blind within a year ;)
Depends on what web sites he is looking at..... ;)
Meds is the best thing to come out of Worcestershire since the sauce! :cheers
I have a quick question. If you go to Apple's site, and look at the iPad 2 and pull up the data plan rates for 3G, it says the data amounts include Wi-Fi browsing (there is a footnote). What does that mean? If I had the 2GB per month plan, does it track data even when I'm at home on Wi-Fi that counts towards that 2GB amount?? That doesn't make sense to me.
No. it doesn't matter if you use 2 GBs or 200 GBs over your wifi. AT&T/Verizon does not care. What that probably means is that if you buy AT&T's version, you get instant access to AT&T's wifi hotspots across the nation at McDonalds and similar.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on April 05, 2011, 09:01:10 AM
No. it doesn't matter if you use 2 GBs or 200 GBs over your wifi. AT&T/Verizon does not care. What that probably means is that if you buy AT&T's version, you get instant access to AT&T's wifi hotspots across the nation at McDonalds and similar.
King
Hmm, so home WiFi shouldn't impact this? See note at the bottom of this chart...
Quote from: Rico on April 05, 2011, 09:01:58 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on April 05, 2011, 09:01:10 AM
No. it doesn't matter if you use 2 GBs or 200 GBs over your wifi. AT&T/Verizon does not care. What that probably means is that if you buy AT&T's version, you get instant access to AT&T's wifi hotspots across the nation at McDonalds and similar.
King
Hmm, so home WiFi shouldn't impact this?
Nope. The only thing you need to watch is 3G usage. That's it, if your connected via Wifi, the only thing to watch is battery life.
King
Yeah, the Wifi they are probably referring to is the ones in coffee shops and fast food restaurants. You can buy a 3G model and never need to buy a month of data and still be able to use the wifi-feature at home or elsewhere.
King
It may refer to a wifi cap at hotspots such as McDonalds, to stop people sitting there all day streaming. Your own personal wifi they don't police.
Oops Tim beat me to it!
Quote from: Dangelus on April 05, 2011, 09:09:46 AM
It may refer to a wifi cap at hotspots such as McDonalds, to stop people sitting there all day streaming. Your own personal wifi they don't police.
Oops Tim beat me to it!
As far as I know, there is no cap to Wifi at McDonalds.
King
Not per se but if you abuse it they can do something about it hence the small print perhaps?
Quote from: Dangelus on April 05, 2011, 09:16:31 AM
Not per se but if you abuse it they can do something about it hence the small print perhaps?
Perhaps, there has to be some reason AT&T has its fingers in the Wifi hotspots. But idk, maybe someone else does?
King
I think they may mean browsing for free over AT&T wifi hotspots is included in the data cap since technically you're still using their data service.
http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=5949 (http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=5949)
Yep. What I said. Just said better. ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on April 05, 2011, 09:21:49 AM
Yep. What I said. Just said better. ;)
And what I meant, just way better said ;)
King :P
It works the same way over here.
That all makes sense. Thanks guys.
So, it looks like Toys R Us will be soon selling the iPad 2 as well as other stores. Of course, it would help if they actually could get them in stock. I asked at Best Buy the other day and they almost laughed at my question. But, it looks like online at Apple orders are still only saying 2-3 weeks to get one. Still tempted.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/04/ipad-2-toys-r-us/ (http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/04/ipad-2-toys-r-us/)
Yeah, Apple is doing it's best to ramp up production of the tablets. More and more companies that can are getting in on producing the components for them.
Apple has definitely secured the tablet market. For how long is the question.
King
Oh Rico, I think you'll be an iPad owner by Summer!
Quote from: billybob476 on April 07, 2011, 09:27:19 AM
Oh Rico, I think you'll be an iPad owner by Summer!
Who knows - maybe sooner! :)
...he ordered one... :)
No major stock problems in my neck if the woods.
They get weekly deliveries, usually sell out and are restocked by the following week. Pretty good for a high demand product.
Quote from: Bryancd on April 07, 2011, 05:07:51 PM
...he ordered one... :)
I assume Apple's stock rose sharply upon the news! :D
Quote from: billybob476 on April 08, 2011, 05:38:18 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on April 07, 2011, 05:07:51 PM
...he ordered one... :)
I assume Apple's stock rose sharply upon the news! :D
Only if I can somehow convince Chris, JustX, to pony up the dough for one. :)
I'm looking at a Macbook Pro so that should help, I think those are fairly high margin :)
Quote from: Bryancd on April 08, 2011, 06:03:39 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on April 08, 2011, 05:38:18 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on April 07, 2011, 05:07:51 PM
...he ordered one... :)
I assume Apple's stock rose sharply upon the news! :D
Only if I can somehow convince Chris, JustX, to pony up the dough for one. :)
LOL! I convinced my father to buy one, but that's the best you're getting from me. It really doesn't have want I want for what they are asking for it. It will serve my dad very well, but I need more than it's offering. Which isn't an attack on the device, but my awareness that as good as the 2 is, the things that I would want a tablet for isn't offered by it.
X, what are you looking for in a tablet?
Quote from: Dangelus on April 07, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
No major stock problems in my neck if the woods.
They get weekly deliveries, usually sell out and are restocked by the following week. Pretty good for a high demand product.
What's the price in the UK for these?
Oh, I guess it seems Best Buy is in hot water with Apple. The story below is unconfirmed, but based on my recent Best Buy experiences I tend to believe it. Looks like BB might be not able to sell the iPad 2 soon. Read on....
Numerous rumors have claimed that Best Buy is in hot water with Apple over its alleged policy to stop iPad 2 sales once it meets its quota for the day, leaving the retailer "blacklisted" from further iPad sales.
Citing a source at Best Buy, CrunchGear reported this week that Best Buy was holding off on selling iPad 2 units it had in stock, telling customers they were sold out when, in reality, the stores had just reached their internal quota for that day. That strategy is rumored to have upset Apple, which is allegedly no longer allowing the retailer to sell the iPad 2.
"No less than (Apple Chief Operating Officer) Tim Cook is involved in this little snafu, and will be helping with the negotiations," the report said.
In addition, TUAW also received a tip that Apple "ordered a freeze on sales of the iPad 2 through Best Buy." The report also claimed that the retailer has pulled all stock except demo units.
Best Buy has been a partner in selling the iPad since the first-generation device launched last April. A year ago, Best Buy was the only non-Apple retailer that was allowed to sell the iPad, though other options such as Walmart and Target were added as the year went on.
Best Buy also has a unique partnership with Apple, as the electronics retailer commits a significant amount of floor space devoted specifically to Apple products in many of its stores. Best Buy began adding Apple boutiques to its stores in 2008.
In March, it was also rumored that Best Buy was considering giving the iPad to all of its on-the-floor sales associates at its 1,100 U.S. stores. It was said that employees would use devices such as the iPad to educate consumers and process purchases.
source:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/04/08/rumor_best_buys_ipad_2_sales_strategy_gets_it_blacklisted_by_apple.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/04/08/rumor_best_buys_ipad_2_sales_strategy_gets_it_blacklisted_by_apple.html)
Quote from: QuadShot on April 08, 2011, 08:21:28 AM
X, what are you looking for in a tablet?
Well, they aren't many things, but they are important to me personally.
1) Flash support. I don't care about the beef between Apple and Adobe. A majority of the internet runs on Flash and I want it. Sure there might be an App for that, but the only reason you need an App for that is because you can't just go to the site and see what you wanted to see.
2) Expandable memory and larger starting memory. 64 gigs just isn't enough for me. My Music collection is several times that and a good 1080p movie is around 9 gigs of info. Combine that with the need to have Apps for everything and I'd be out of memory way too soon.
3) 4G over 3g. I can't see paying for a 3g device when 4g is active. I want this year's tech, not tech from 5 years ago.
4) Stereo speakers and sound. I don't want to have to bring out the speak addons to sit with a friend and watch a movie together. The mono speaker in the 2 might work for some, but I like good sound with my video.
I think those are the core things that I'm looking for. I am aware that there are a few tablets that are moving to meet these things I want, but I'm in a holding pattern now.
I'm really not impressed with the number of apps that iPAD has because many would be unnecessary with the inclusion of Flash. So that's not a big selling point for me.
Yeah, I'm a little picky, but I like what I like.
I think the machine will work great for some people, but the cost to benefit ratio for me isn't on the side of the 2.
Yeah, Flash would be nice! And I agree, when you think about it, 64 gig isn't all that much for today's standards/needs. Yeah, you are picky:) BUT...there's NOTHING wrong with that at all! ;)
Really, lack of Flash hasn't been nearly as inconvenient as I'd expected.
I agree about the memory. I've had an 80gb iPod for 4 years. Why can't the iPad be at least that large?
The thing that has made me not be as bothered about the memory is I would most likely use an iPad around the house mainly. And now since I can stream off my computers, the storage isn't too big a thing. Don't care much about the 3g or 4g thing because I doubt I'll use it much on either. Sweeter sound would be nice and I'm sure that will come eventually. Unlike a small iPod, an iPad is something that you will share with others around you so better sound would help on that. Overall, I'm still liking the iPad 2 better than other tablets I have checked out so far.
The only problem with 4G X is that its a massive battery drain and only available in select cities. Most of the country is still running on 3G for at least this year and probably next year. Heck, we don't even have basic signal to a good chunk of the country....but that's a gripe for another day. And that's not even mentioning the Data drain 4G has...current plans are insufficient, especially for an iPad. But alas...
More memory would be nice and I guess it depends on your library. But 32GB has been sufficient for me so far. Especially when you have services like Netflix, Dropbox and etc already.
I prefer the built-for-iPad apps over the websites. But again, that's preference. They really work well and the UI just makes the difference. The only reason I've used Safari is for Treks-in-Scifi. Even with eBay and Amazon being easily accessible via Safari, the apps are just way better than using the browser. Also, certain websites like Hulu block Droid devices from accessing their streaming content.
Yeah, the whole Best Buy thing just cements the fact that I truly dislike that company. They have more damage to the tech industry than any other company I can think of as far as customer relations go. They sell mediocre products and their customer service is atrocious. Completely ruined my Grandmother's computer several years ago when she sent it in to be repaired. Had to have my Uncle fix it, never worked the same again.
King
Quote from: Dan M on April 08, 2011, 05:46:08 PM
Really, lack of Flash hasn't been nearly as inconvenient as I'd expected.
I agree about the memory. I've had an 80gb iPod for 4 years. Why can't the iPad be at least that large?
And the reason it can't be just yet is the memory used for storage in the iPad is very expensive and to hit 80 GBs is...well yeah. Its not using the typical Hardrives that were used in the old iPods.
King
Did anyone get an iPad 2 with Verizon for 3G? Looks like they are having connectivity issues. Read on...
PC purists might contend that the joke's on all iPad owners who bought into iOS and the Apple ecosystem rather than invest in Android or hold out for any number of promising tablets on the horizon, like RIM's PlayBook and HP's TouchPad. But the real joke is on Verizon iPad 2 owners who report problems connecting to Verizon's 3G network, only it's no laughing matter to those affected. After blowing up Apple's support forum, the Cupertino outfit finally acknowledged the problem, but doesn't yet have a solution.
"We are aware that small number of iPad 2 customers have experienced connectivity issues with the Verizon 3G network and we are investigating it," Apple told All Things Digital.
There's a thread in Apple's Support Forum where users have come together to complain of their connectivity woes. The 9 page (and growing) thread is filled with Verizon iPad 2 owners saying that they're sometimes unable to receive a 3G signal once its turned off and back on. The only solution so far is to reboot the device.
Interestingly enough, the problem only appears to affect Verizon's CDMA iPad 2 and not AT&T's GSM version.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/rotten_apples_verizon_ipad_2_owners_fuming_mad_over_3g_connectivity_issue (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/rotten_apples_verizon_ipad_2_owners_fuming_mad_over_3g_connectivity_issue)
Hmm, iPad 1.0 had the Wifi issues plaguing it till they updated. Guess something went awry with the "new" CDMA version.
King
Quote from: Rico on April 08, 2011, 08:23:09 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on April 07, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
No major stock problems in my neck if the woods.
They get weekly deliveries, usually sell out and are restocked by the following week. Pretty good for a high demand product.
What's the price in the UK for these?
They start at £399 for the 16Gb Wi-Fi only model.
I'm so tempted!
Quote from: Dangelus on April 11, 2011, 08:51:41 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 08, 2011, 08:23:09 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on April 07, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
No major stock problems in my neck if the woods.
They get weekly deliveries, usually sell out and are restocked by the following week. Pretty good for a high demand product.
What's the price in the UK for these?
They start at £399 for the 16Gb Wi-Fi only model.
I'm so tempted!
Doing some math, 399 pounds is about $652 dollars at the moment. Hmm, that's a fair bit more pricey than here. They start here at $499.
Quote from: Rico on April 11, 2011, 03:33:55 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on April 11, 2011, 08:51:41 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 08, 2011, 08:23:09 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on April 07, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
No major stock problems in my neck if the woods.
They get weekly deliveries, usually sell out and are restocked by the following week. Pretty good for a high demand product.
What's the price in the UK for these?
They start at £399 for the 16Gb Wi-Fi only model.
I'm so tempted!
Doing some math, 399 pounds is about $652 dollars at the moment. Hmm, that's a fair bit more pricey than here. They start here at $499.
Yeah, they raised prices on all their stuff a couple months ago for UK buyers. Something about taxes, I can't remember what it was. Caused quite a bit of a stir in the tech community too.
King
VAT FTW!
(at least I think it's VAT)
Speaking of tax, does the Apple store online charge sales tax?
By US law online stores are required too charge tax if they have a physical location in your state, so if there is an Apple store in Michigan then the online store will charge you tax.
Yes I know I'm Canadian but through some convoluted employment situations I was requried to know a lot about US e-commerce laws.
Quote from: billybob476 on April 11, 2011, 06:32:35 PM
By US law online stores are required too charge tax if they have a physical location in your state, so if there is an Apple store in Michigan then the online store will charge you tax.
Yes I know I'm Canadian but through some convoluted employment situations I was requried to know a lot about US e-commerce laws.
I was actually going to ask: "What Online retailer doesn't charge a tax?" but you beat me to it ;)
King
Oh a lot of them don't, especially if they are online only. They have to pay tax if they are shipping within the state they are registered.
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on April 11, 2011, 03:59:15 PM
Quote from: Rico on April 11, 2011, 03:33:55 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on April 11, 2011, 08:51:41 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 08, 2011, 08:23:09 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on April 07, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
No major stock problems in my neck if the woods.
They get weekly deliveries, usually sell out and are restocked by the following week. Pretty good for a high demand product.
What's the price in the UK for these?
They start at £399 for the 16Gb Wi-Fi only model.
I'm so tempted!
Doing some math, 399 pounds is about $652 dollars at the moment. Hmm, that's a fair bit more pricey than here. They start here at $499.
Yeah, they raised prices on all their stuff a couple months ago for UK buyers. Something about taxes, I can't remember what it was. Caused quite a bit of a stir in the tech community too.
King
Yes our VAT (Value Added Tax) rate did go up from 17.5% to 20% recently but we ALWAYS pay more for electronics products, they don't just convert the price using the exchange rate. Fir example the $99 Apple TV 2 was £99 over here (now £102 with the VAT increase!) :(
Quote from: Dangelus on April 11, 2011, 11:47:46 PM
Yes our VAT (Value Added Tax) rate did go up from 17.5% to 20% recently but we ALWAYS pay more for electronics products, they don't just convert the price using the exchange rate. Fir example the $99 Apple TV 2 was £99 over here (now £102 with the VAT increase!) :(
Yes, they normally just change the currency symbol on the front but stick with the price.
There was some fuss about car pricing (when compared with the rest of Europe) a few years ago that seemed to be resolved in our favour but that was within the EU and therefore governed by some form of law.
VAT = Value Added Tax. So, what value do they add for a 20% markup? ;)
Quote from: Rico on April 12, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
VAT = Value Added Tax. So, what value do they add for a 20% markup? ;)
They make you feel like what you've bought is more valuable because it's more expensive! :D
Quote from: billybob476 on April 12, 2011, 08:54:43 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 12, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
VAT = Value Added Tax. So, what value do they add for a 20% markup? ;)
They make you feel like what you've bought is more valuable because it's more expensive! :D
Ain't that the truth! lol
Quote from: Rico on April 12, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
VAT = Value Added Tax. So, what value do they add for a 20% markup? ;)
Universal Health Care.. ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on April 12, 2011, 09:13:13 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 12, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
VAT = Value Added Tax. So, what value do they add for a 20% markup? ;)
Universal Health Care.. ;)
Oh No we pay a different tax for that! :(
Quote from: Dangelus on April 12, 2011, 09:17:03 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on April 12, 2011, 09:13:13 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 12, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
VAT = Value Added Tax. So, what value do they add for a 20% markup? ;)
Universal Health Care.. ;)
Oh No we pay a different tax for that! :(
*is not surprised...*
King
lol let's not turn this into a debate on socialzed health care! We don't have VAT here (I think that's an EU thing). We just have 13% harmonized sales tax!
I love the phrases our governments use to name our taxes to try and make them sound so benign and fluffy! Lol
Quote from: billybob476 on April 12, 2011, 09:52:33 AM
lol let's not turn this into a debate on socialzed health care! We don't have VAT here (I think that's an EU thing). We just have 13% harmonized sales tax!
Sounds like the same thing to me!
Quote from: Feathers on April 12, 2011, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: billybob476 on April 12, 2011, 09:52:33 AM
lol let's not turn this into a debate on socialzed health care! We don't have VAT here (I think that's an EU thing). We just have 13% harmonized sales tax!
Sounds like the same thing to me!
Yeah, I'm not sure I have a sense of harmony when the government takes my money!
You guys are awesome. HST was created in Ontario this year. It's basically the merging of the Goods and Services Tax (GST) and the Provincial Sales Tax (PST). There were certain items and services (such as basic groceries) that were GST exempt, by merging the two taxes into one, most of the previously exempt items are now no longer exempt. Yay government!
Some sad news here:
Explosion Rocks Foxconn's iPad 2 Factory, Three Dead
Early reports indicate disaster at Chinese supplier was due to poor maintenance -- dust buildup
While the weekend came and went without the realization of doomsday, last Friday likely seemed like hell on Earth for workers at Foxconn Electronics Inc.'s Chengdu plant.
On Friday explosions ripped through the plant, which has been labeled as one of the key assembly locations for Apple Inc.'s (AAPL) iPad 2. Early reports indicate the explosions were triggered by a buildup in flammable dust over the polishing workshop of the plant.
As of Sunday, three employees died and fifteen others were hospitalized. Of the hospitalized employees six have been released, but nine remain in the hospital, several of which are in critical condition.
The move is the latest setback for the troubled Taiwan-owned gadget manufacturer. Foxconn is a subsidiary of Hon Hai Precision Industry Co Ltd. (2317). Foxconn draws its labor primarily from the vast population of mainland China. It is China's largest exporter and counts companies like Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), Sony Corp. (6758), Nintendo Co., Ltd. (7974), Dell Inc. (DELL), and Hewlett-Packard Company (HPQ) as clients.
But its biggest client is Apple, who has relied heavily on it to produce its Mac computers and popular i-device lineup.
Pressured by Apple to deliver better products at higher quantities and lower prices, Foxconn turned up the heat on its employees last year. As a result the company saw multiple suicides, with employees complaining of "hellish" working conditions.
The suicides shocked China; while suicide rates in mainland China are generally quite high, they are unusual among young working age males, particularly those who have factory jobs. The majority of the victims were indeed young males.
Foxconn responded with a variety of tactics -- contracts demanding employees not kill themselves, anti-suicide nets, investigation into replacing employees with robots, and pay raises to raise worker morale. The company claims employees are lying about poor working conditions.
Apple has been pressured about the suicides, but remains defiant to the suggestion that it somehow was to blame. In its annual labor audit, Apple praised Foxconn for working to improve worker conditions in the wake of the suicides.
The gadget maker refused to comment on its supplier's latest crisis.
Chengdu is the capital of China's southwester Sichuan province.
http://www.dailytech.com/Explosion+Rocks+Foxconns+iPad+2+Factory+Three+Dead/article21699.htm (http://www.dailytech.com/Explosion+Rocks+Foxconns+iPad+2+Factory+Three+Dead/article21699.htm)
Wow.. this makes me not want to buy Apple products...
China. I shake my head at their terrible health and safety standards.
Terrible.
How do you enforce a contract that demands an employee doesn't kill themselves? Bizarre.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on May 23, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
Wow.. this makes me not want to buy Apple products...
Yeah but Kenny, if you used that as a benchmark to buy or not buy something, nothing from Microsoft, Dell, Nike, or any number of a thousand other brands would be purchased. How in the world can Apple be held accountable for this? They aren't ordering employees to kill themselves. Do you think American workers would do that?
Quote from: QuadShot on May 23, 2011, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on May 23, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
Wow.. this makes me not want to buy Apple products...
Yeah but Kenny, if you used that as a benchmark to buy or not buy something, nothing from Microsoft, Dell, Nike, or any number of a thousand other brands would be purchased. How in the world can Apple be held accountable for this? They aren't ordering employees to kill themselves. Do you think American workers would do that?
I know of a few people that are boycotting companies that use sweatshop practices. I'm not saying that Apple is or isn't, but in the story, it suggests that Apple's demands have created the rise in people killing themselves.
Quote from: X on May 23, 2011, 12:57:04 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on May 23, 2011, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on May 23, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
Wow.. this makes me not want to buy Apple products...
Yeah but Kenny, if you used that as a benchmark to buy or not buy something, nothing from Microsoft, Dell, Nike, or any number of a thousand other brands would be purchased. How in the world can Apple be held accountable for this? They aren't ordering employees to kill themselves. Do you think American workers would do that?
I know of a few people that are boycotting companies that use sweatshop practices. I'm not saying that Apple is or isn't, but in the story, it suggests that Apple's demands have created the rise in people killing themselves.
Foxconn has been in the news a lot recently, I wish Apple had dropped them when the dirty business Foxconn was running came to light....but frankly Kenny, do you realize how much of our technology is made overseas? It is a huge number. All of the tech businesses I believe are guilty of doing that. I think the only thing made here locally (most of the time) is software. Heck, we import so much of the stuff we buy (99% of WalMart's stuff....) its insane...
King
Quote from: QuadShot on May 23, 2011, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on May 23, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
Wow.. this makes me not want to buy Apple products...
Yeah but Kenny, if you used that as a benchmark to buy or not buy something, nothing from Microsoft, Dell, Nike, or any number of a thousand other brands would be purchased. How in the world can Apple be held accountable for this? They aren't ordering employees to kill themselves. Do you think American workers would do that?
Actually they can be held accountable. Take it from someone who has traveled overseas and seen some pretty crazy stuff. Typically the issue is there is no one permanently there watching over things. They send people over to get them all set up and then they all jump on a plane and head back home. You need permanent staff there to watchdog stuff. This has happened in many industries. Remember all the issue with toys that got stirred up a few years back? Well, that created programs and sent people there to inspect and watch them. The company I'm at now actually does a fair amount of toy testing. In any case, all we can hope for when something like this happens is that they change their ways and watch them much more closely.
Looks like the explosion is really going to slow up up iPad 2 production - which it should do.
http://techland.time.com/2011/05/24/combustible-dust-plant-explosion-may-cost-apple-500000-ipads/ (http://techland.time.com/2011/05/24/combustible-dust-plant-explosion-may-cost-apple-500000-ipads/)
In regards to Apple's responsibilty to monitor their suppliers business practices, the conduct annual audits. This year's audit resulted in the termination of business with one facility that hired 42 underage workers and another a facility that attempted to bribe auditors.
The Foxconn plant involved in the explosion won't help aleviate supply constraints, but it's impact likely won't be that large.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/05/23/foxconn_explosion_wont_greatly_affect_ipad_2_production_for_apple.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/05/23/foxconn_explosion_wont_greatly_affect_ipad_2_production_for_apple.html)
Now Foxconn is closing down facilities to do an insepction for the dust build up with contributed to this incident, and that will likely also add a few more days of down production.
Ahh, gotta love the internet. So we have a range of, it "won't greatly affect production" up to 500,000 lost iPad 2 units. Propaganda at it's finest. ;)
That's why I stick to the analysts who cover the stock, they actually get paid to be right. The rest is just noise. They need to make a call as to what is going to happen so they can advise thier clients.
A few years ago you turned something over it was made in Taiwan, Korea or Japan. Nowdays it's made in China, even the uniform I wear at work is made in China. Globalisation always follows the best deals.
Learned how to hook up a midi controller to the ipad 2 tonight... wow, so freaking cool.
Using Ipad Garageband with an external midi Keyboard with Rick Moyer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PklI8dCFfqo#ws)
That is awesome Rick, Ive been making a full PowerPoint presentation for health class today with Keynote for iPad.
:). Awesomeness.
King
I almost feel bad for them...almost.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/06/01/jp_morgan_apples_ipad_rivals_reduce_build_plans_after_early_dose_of_reality.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/06/01/jp_morgan_apples_ipad_rivals_reduce_build_plans_after_early_dose_of_reality.html)
HA! So much for the "iPad" killers...R.I.P. !
Some of the other hardware is pretty good, but it's really all about the apps.
Quote from: Rico on June 01, 2011, 02:02:07 PM
Some of the other hardware is pretty good, but it's really all about the apps.
Yep, it's the ecosystem which will keep Apple in front of the competition for the foreseeable future.
Holy frak! Kid in China sells a kidney for an iPad 2!
So, the iPad 2 is a pretty cool device, right? What would you be willing to do to get your hands on one? Pay someone $900 to stand in line for three days? Shell out $13,500 because it's sold out? Maybe even sell your kidney?
Apparently one Chinese teen thought that last idea wasn't such a bad one. Shanghai Daily reports that a 17-year-old student in Anhui Province -- identified only by his surname, Zheng -- sold his kidney to buy an iPad 2.
According to Shanghai Daily, the boy "wanted an iPad 2 but could not afford it." However, a "broker" (aka black market organ hustler) contacted the boy online and offered to help Zheng sell his kidney for 20,000 yuan (about $3100). Apparently Zheng was so desperate for an iPad 2 that he agreed to the transaction, traveled to Chenzhou City in Hunan Province, and had his right kidney removed at Chenzhou No. 198 Hospital.
He was paid his 22,000 yuan (about $3400) right after the removal. He then went home. His mother questioned him after he showed up with a brand-new Apple tablet, and he confessed to her that he'd sold his kidney. She immediately contacted the police (by the way, selling organs on the black market is totally illegal), and they opened an investigation. They were unable to contact the agents Zheng had worked with -- because said agents' phones were mysteriously always switched off.
Zheng has since had post-surgery issues -- the hospital, after all, was reportedly not qualified to perform an organ transplant. The hospital also claimed they had no knowledge of the surgery, though they did admit to contracting out the urology department to a Fijian businessman. That's not sketchy at all.
The case remains under investigation, and Zheng's health continues to deteriorate. Needless to say, Zheng now regrets selling his kidney for an iPad 2.
Even if they never catch the organ brokers, I hope Zheng recovers -- and never ends up in a situation in which he needs more than one kidney.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/229318/kid_sells_kidney_for_ipad_2_regrets_transaction.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/229318/kid_sells_kidney_for_ipad_2_regrets_transaction.html)
Oh dear!
Yeah, heard about this.... =/
King
I think what gets me the most is this is another case of someone who probably lives a pretty poor life with maybe not some things he could have certainly used more than an iPad 2. Reminds me of when I see people living in pretty seedy areas but man, do they have the nicest phones sometimes. Priorities people!
Quote from: Rico on June 03, 2011, 09:36:44 AM
Reminds me of when I see people living in pretty seedy areas but man, do they have the nicest phones sometimes. Priorities people!
Or the nicest cars! I can't believe how many people would rather own a nice car than have a decent place to live.
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on June 03, 2011, 02:58:22 PM
Quote from: Rico on June 03, 2011, 09:36:44 AM
Reminds me of when I see people living in pretty seedy areas but man, do they have the nicest phones sometimes. Priorities people!
Or the nicest cars! I can't believe how many people would rather own a nice car than have a decent place to live.
Kevin
Except that you can live in a car! Apparently.
King
what tickles me is when you see someone getting into a car that is worth a hell of a lot more than the house/flat/apartment they live in!.
Oh and on the ipad issue, Samsung have asked for the details of the ipad3 and iphone5, in the ongoing legal dispute with Apple.
Yeah, heard about that. I wish Samsung luck because they are going to need it.
King
Btw, Samsung did not get to see Apple's Next Gen tech. Judge threw it out. The case keeps going though....
King
This is crazy. Don't Samsung make the iPad screens?
Maybe these lawsuits are designed to keep everyone in employment!
Quote from: Dangelus on June 28, 2011, 11:45:09 PM
This is crazy. Don't Samsung make the iPad screens?
Maybe these lawsuits are designed to keep everyone in employment!
Its all nuts ;)
King
Well, my Mom wants an iPad, so I am giving her mine and ordering myself an iPad 2!
Quote from: Bryancd on July 05, 2011, 10:57:53 AM
Well, my Mom wants an iPad, so I am giving her mine and ordering myself an iPad 2!
Nice!
When is the Ipad 3 coming out? Does anyone know?
As usual it's all rumours. My bet is Feb 2012. Another rumour says that Apple will release a "high rez" iPad 2 alongside the current iPad 2. Another one says September along with new iPhones.
My bet is Feb 2012.
The infamous iPad HD :)
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on July 11, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
When is the Ipad 3 coming out? Does anyone know?
Rumors, but my best guess is next year about Feb-March. The iPad HD rumor is, imo, fake. The reasoning behind it is that Apple wants to sell it to Photo/Video editors and release an iPad version of their Final Cut Pro. But if anything, the iPad has always been sold as a general-consumer product that anyone can use. Also based on what I've heard about the Final Cut Pro X is that it is aimed more at general consumers rather than the "high-end" editors.
So yeah, just saying.
King
Got my iPad 2!
it rocks so much. Gee whiz
Who's up for some Face Time?! bryancdunn@gmail.com!
My forum name @gmail.com :)
King
I got the snap cover for the iPad 2 as well as a Belkin plastic protection case for the back. Makes it nice and grippy. I really like the flip cover.
The problem with those flip covers and snapping something else on the back is I still feel the iPad is vulnerable to damage if you take it out anywhere. I want more protection than those offer. They are ok for around the house, but I want more of a folio type of cover/case for mine.
Quote from: Rico on July 14, 2011, 09:03:36 AM
The problem with those flip covers and snapping something else on the back is I still feel the iPad is vulnerable to damage if you take it out anywhere. I want more protection than those offer. They are ok for around the house, but I want more of a folio type of cover/case for mine.
I just bought this from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050SGPHY (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050SGPHY) *
It has the features of the smart cover (including the sleep/wake magnets), but it also protects the entire back. The iPad slides in, very snugly, to the case and it completely covered. All of the ports line up for me (some reviews claim otherwise), and I've very very pleased with it so far. Even better - it's less expensive than just the smart cover alone, by about $15!
It is very thin, so it's not going to protect against hard bangs or drops, but I think it's perfectly fine for most daily transportation. When I do travel with my iPad2, I play to slide the whole thing (with the cover on) into my netbook sleeve (obviously leaving the netbook at home) for some added protection and padding during the trip. A standard sleeve for a 10-inch netbook does the trick for me.
*In that listing, you see the pink, orange and green covers, but the listing is specifically for the green one (mine's green). There is a black one as well, it's just a different item on amazon, and a little more expensive (about $5).
Yeah I have a smart cover and one of those 3M clingy films to protect against scratches. We slip it into our 13" notebook sleeve for right now but I'll probably be picking up a 10" for travel.
I am looking into a big bulky case for mine since I use it for video and take it everywhere. I need something with big grips on it and if it ever fell out of my hands, I have to know that it wouldn't break into a million pieces. It's the only think I don't like about it. I love everything else. It just feels like I could break it any minute!
Quote from: spaltor on July 14, 2011, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: Rico on July 14, 2011, 09:03:36 AM
The problem with those flip covers and snapping something else on the back is I still feel the iPad is vulnerable to damage if you take it out anywhere. I want more protection than those offer. They are ok for around the house, but I want more of a folio type of cover/case for mine.
I just bought this from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050SGPHY (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050SGPHY) *
It has the features of the smart cover (including the sleep/wake magnets), but it also protects the entire back. The iPad slides in, very snugly, to the case and it completely covered. All of the ports line up for me (some reviews claim otherwise), and I've very very pleased with it so far. Even better - it's less expensive than just the smart cover alone, by about $15!
It is very thin, so it's not going to protect against hard bangs or drops, but I think it's perfectly fine for most daily transportation. When I do travel with my iPad2, I play to slide the whole thing (with the cover on) into my netbook sleeve (obviously leaving the netbook at home) for some added protection and padding during the trip. A standard sleeve for a 10-inch netbook does the trick for me.
*In that listing, you see the pink, orange and green covers, but the listing is specifically for the green one (mine's green). There is a black one as well, it's just a different item on amazon, and a little more expensive (about $5).
That's sweet! Looks just like the Smart Cover© only better!
Hey Rick, here are some options I found that may work for you:
http://www.handhelditems.com/international-handstand-ipad-black-p-165995.html (http://www.handhelditems.com/international-handstand-ipad-black-p-165995.html)
http://www.tridentcase.com/product_61_80.html (http://www.tridentcase.com/product_61_80.html)
Case isn't too bad, but man those are some ugly colors it comes in.
:) Rick is artsy...I'm sure he could do something the colors! :)
Quote from: moyer777 on July 14, 2011, 11:14:09 AM
I am looking into a big bulky case for mine since I use it for video and take it everywhere. I need something with big grips on it and if it ever fell out of my hands, I have to know that it wouldn't break into a million pieces. It's the only think I don't like about it. I love everything else. It just feels like I could break it any minute!
Rick - If your Ipad is new I would invest in an extended warranty through Squaretrade. They are a really good company, have reasonable rates and great customer service.
http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/ (http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/)
Best company out there for this kind of service in my opinion.
Kevin
I could get one of these:
http://www.ipad.e-guides.org/easydy-e88-%E2%80%93-ipad-2-look-and-feel-for-under-100/ (http://www.ipad.e-guides.org/easydy-e88-%E2%80%93-ipad-2-look-and-feel-for-under-100/)
and one of these:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/14/htc-sensation-4g-review/ (http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/14/htc-sensation-4g-review/)
A tablet and a smartphone for less then an iPad2. A big scree but not as fast as the iPad and a small screen faster than the iPad and a phone that works as a hotspot so the big screen could get on line. The iPad is taost except for die hard core applovers.
psik
Not sure why your on this anti-Apple kick here lately but....I think this paragraph from the first article sums it up.
The specs of a device are clearly lagging, as a counterpart comes with a 800×600 pixels screen, a single-core 800 Mhz ARM processor, 256 MB of RAM, and 4 GB of peep storage – in comparison, a iPad 2 comes with a 1024×768 pixels screen, a dual-core 1 GHz ARM processor, 512 MB of RAM, and during slightest 16 GB of peep storage.
So....remind me why I would want that over an iPad again?...
But the phone is certainly nice, I've seen that model around and haven't heard anything bad about it. Certainly is one of the more powerful droid models you can get.
As for the iPad-copycat, it hasn't arrived in the US yet and I'd love to see them get it past Apple. I have this sneaking suspicion they will sue the China company for copyright infringement as that looks like an iPad and heck, we got Samsung being sued right now for phones that look similar to the 3GS model. (Although Samsung counter-sued eheh).
Besides, I wouldn't trust any new tablet under $100. It probably is cheap for a reason. "You get what you paid for".
King
Quote from: psikeyhackr on August 03, 2011, 02:54:19 PM
I could get one of these:
http://www.ipad.e-guides.org/easydy-e88-%E2%80%93-ipad-2-look-and-feel-for-under-100/ (http://www.ipad.e-guides.org/easydy-e88-%E2%80%93-ipad-2-look-and-feel-for-under-100/)
and one of these:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/14/htc-sensation-4g-review/ (http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/14/htc-sensation-4g-review/)
A tablet and a smartphone for less then an iPad2. A big scree but not as fast as the iPad and a small screen faster than the iPad and a phone that works as a hotspot so the big screen could get on line. The iPad is taost except for die hard core applovers.
psik
Good for you!
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on August 03, 2011, 03:05:28 PM
Not sure why your on this anti-Apple kick here lately but....I think this paragraph from the first article sums it up.
I'm not anti-Apple. I DON'T CARE!
It is just technology to me. Brand loyalty is for kids.
Fascinating but Illogical.
The Sensation smartphone has basically the same processor as the iPad with a higher clock speed. The $100 tablet has the big screen. So those two devices in combination look better than just the iPad. I don't understand any basis for disagreement besides irrational brand loyalty.
What else do you expect from Vulcans. LOL
psik
Thanks Kevin!
I ended up getting a very cool case called The handstand. Really enjoying it now.
Ouch for RIM: But Yay for Employees! :)
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/padgadget/~3/L3fauMd-wXA/ (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/padgadget/~3/L3fauMd-wXA/)
According to the New York Times, a survey released by the Tech and I.T. market research firm Forrester Research notes that corporations are changing their long-standing policies, so that more employees now have a say in the type of technology they use in the work place.
Ted Schadler, an analyst with Forrester Research, "What broke the camel's back was the iPad, because executives brought it into the company and said 'Hey, you've got to support this.' "
This sea change in policy, termed the consumerization of of I.T. by some, has implications for the über-competitive electronics market. The I.T. departments of large corporations have traditionally been the stronghold of RIM., and its Blackberry.
According to Forrester's survey: 48 percent of information workers buy the smartphone they want for the office whether their I.T. department supports it or not. Nearly half of those surveyed said that they paid for their work smartphone in full while 41 percent said their employer paid; 9 percent said both parties split the cost.
Although abandoning the one-size-fits-all approach to technology raises some concerns for corporations, particularly regarding security, it could turn out to be a cost-saving measure. Many iPad and iPhone toting employees may bypass the company's I.T. department in favor of Apple's tech support. As Barclay's Capital Ben Reitzes notes, "You can basically outsource your I.T. department to Apple."
The iPad is still a relatively new addition to the work place, and it may not be qualify for the same coverage as as a smartphone or laptop, at least not yet, but when given a choice, companies are realizing that workers want Apple.
Citrix Systems, a company that actually makes software which helps other company's implement Bring Your Own Device Programs, found it saved around 20 percent on each laptop over three years. Citrix Program comprises around 1000 employees, 46 percent of which have bought Mac computers. "That was a little bit of a surprise," notes Citrix's chief information officer, Paul Martine,
When given a choice, employees are choosing Apple's consumer-friendly approach. Even if it is difficult to quantify the exact number of the company's devices that are entering the workplace, Apple's overall growth (as compared to weak data in the PC market, RIM, and HP) support this idea. Reitzes adds, "What you're seeing is that Apple's approach is winning, and it is tough for the others to keep up," Mr. Reitzes said.
King
....told you guys.
Well I am loving my recently acquired pad. Thanks to Rick and Tim, I have some cool apps and a nice case.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 25, 2011, 03:57:11 PM
....told you guys.
Yeah that's interesting, but it still says, that when given a choice, a majority of people went with the PC vs the mac.
Quote from: stonut on September 27, 2011, 02:30:16 PM
Well I am loving my recently acquired pad. Thanks to Rick and Tim, I have some cool apps and a nice case.
Oh, enjoy it. I love mine.
If you guys want to write on your iPad, Penultimate is a good one for me so far. I bought it mostly for math class since the keyboard....doesn't quite do so well there.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/penultimate/id354098826?mt=8 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/penultimate/id354098826?mt=8)
It works really well, even with my terrible handwriting skills ;). At $1.99 its a good price, it also has in-app-purchases for more page backgrounds, though you'll probably not need them. iPad only right now.
Also using Pages and Todo for college as well.
King
So I'm tempted to get an iPad 2. I know you guys love them, but they cost so much. I'm just so frustrated after my laptop has failed on me and my iPod Touch would seem to be about to stop working too. I need something mobile again, I've considered maybe a cheap laptop, but I just don't want to do that either. It's so frustrating right now without a laptop, cause I have my online PT course to do and I'm stuck in one spot, also half the time being without my iPod Touch. And I don't want to spend to much of my harvest money cause if I don't find a real job soon I don't know what I'm gonna do. So I'm tempted, but I also have to think about the future and just having food to eat. Is an iPad 2 really worth it and capable of handling all the things I might need it for?
That really depends, but the answer is usually yes ;).
If you want, you can talk to me about it on skype daniel, otherwise I'm sure we can answer your questions here. But give us a list of what you want to use it for.
King
I know I need it for studying, reading PDFs, I'm sure it could do most of the stuff I wanted. I've always worried a little though that there is stuff I can't do because it's all just synced up with your own computer, but I do have my Mac (dead screen) desk computer setup so I know I have that too. I know I could probably make it all work, but it's such a big decision to me, but I'm in desperate need of something that I can carry around with me. I just don't want to get myself into trouble and over spend my budget.
Another question is the storage size. Does it fill up pretty quick with videos or music, or whatever. Is 16 GB an ok working size to you guys?
I have a 32 gb and it isn't even close to full. Another option if you want to stay on Mac is a MacBook Air for 999.00. The ipad can pretty much do whatever a computer can, you just may have to go about it differently at times. If you're typing up papers, Pages is a great app. Printing from it is a bit odd, you'll probably find yourself emailing things out so you can print them from your desktop etc.
It's great for PDFs though I tend to stick to my Kindle to read books as the backlit screen gets to me after awhile.
Another thing to keep in mins is you have to buy apps. The iLife type apps (Pages and Numbers) are 10 bucks each and apps can cost anywhere from free to 20 bucks. Most come in around 5.
Mine is currently filled with a lot of photos, which is my fault since I don't really need them. Also, game apps tend to be slightly munchy on HD space. (Go figure), but those are the 3D, expensive ones. Games like Words with friends aren't that big. If you get 16GBs, just realize you'll be limiting yourself. It all depends on how much music you want on it. There are apps like Pandora now that can help too.
The studying depends on how you study, I can use mine for studying and books and such, if you can find the digital version of your books. There are plenty of apps for reading PDFs and iBooks also can read PDFs for free. With iCloud coming, you won't need to worry about syncing to your computer much anymore as it will all be handled wirelessly. Though I'm sure the option to sync via iTunes will still exist in iOS5.0.
I'm using up a lot of my iPad, but that's mostly due to a few games, my attempt to put my gigantic music library on it and some vids. You'll have to figure out how much space you'll need for you music and such, and then leave extra for any apps you'll want to use.
King
Oh, I forgot about this. If you do not have an AirPrint-enabled printer, this guide can help you get Airprint working on whatever printer your using. I have it setup on mine and Rick M's printer. It does require that your PC be on at the time though. But once you get it setup, it stays running. Been running it for a long time now. :)
http://jaxov.com/2010/11/how-to-enable-airprint-service-on-windows/ (http://jaxov.com/2010/11/how-to-enable-airprint-service-on-windows/)
King
I'll figure out what size is best than. And to Joe I wouldn't mind getting a new laptop, but if I were to get one I'd really prefer to have an optical drive, cause I have to be able to watch my program releases anywhere. And also if I get another laptop I think I might just have to go with a PC, cause I have had so much trouble with Mac, only killed 2 hard drives, and now the whole thing has issues accept for the hard drive and this is under 3 years of owning it and I can't fix it like I would a PC.
Also anybody know if there is a way to take an already existing Mac OS on a hard drive and put it into a regular laptop to make it work?
On the video note too anybody know of good software of ripping videos off DVDs to put onto an iPad or iPod?
Dan, if you just a need a portable device for certain things I'd really suggest something other than an iPad - especially if cost is an issue. Unless you want it for the Apps. A laptop, or Netbook can do a lot more. iPads are cool and fun, but I think if your money is tight I'd look elsewhere.
Quote from: Sheppard on October 02, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
I'll figure out what size is best than. And to Joe I wouldn't mind getting a new laptop, but if I were to get one I'd really prefer to have an optical drive, cause I have to be able to watch my program releases anywhere. And also if I get another laptop I think I might just have to go with a PC, cause I have had so much trouble with Mac, only killed 2 hard drives, and now the whole thing has issues accept for the hard drive and this is under 3 years of owning it and I can't fix it like I would a PC.
Also anybody know if there is a way to take an already existing Mac OS on a hard drive and put it into a regular laptop to make it work?
On the video note too anybody know of good software of ripping videos off DVDs to put onto an iPad or iPod?
Considering how companies don't like DVD ripping....well, idk, there is probably something out there.
Your going to have a very hard time porting an existing Mac OS onto a PC laptop. I couldn't even say if it can be done to be honest...
King
Quote from: Rico on October 02, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
Dan, if you just a need a portable device for certain things I'd really suggest something other than an iPad - especially if cost is an issue. Unless you want it for the Apps. A laptop, or Netbook can do a lot more. iPads are cool and fun, but I think if your money is tight I'd look elsewhere.
Well that's part of it, my issue is that money at the moment is fine, after harvest I made a lot, but I have been looking for a real job for months now with almost no luck. It's not an issue now, but it could be and I do want an iPad, but I don't want to get myself into a situation, but on the other hand if I buy something else and wish I'd gotten the iPad later if I do get a job I'm stuck with it for a while.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 02, 2011, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: Sheppard on October 02, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
I'll figure out what size is best than. And to Joe I wouldn't mind getting a new laptop, but if I were to get one I'd really prefer to have an optical drive, cause I have to be able to watch my program releases anywhere. And also if I get another laptop I think I might just have to go with a PC, cause I have had so much trouble with Mac, only killed 2 hard drives, and now the whole thing has issues accept for the hard drive and this is under 3 years of owning it and I can't fix it like I would a PC.
Also anybody know if there is a way to take an already existing Mac OS on a hard drive and put it into a regular laptop to make it work?
On the video note too anybody know of good software of ripping videos off DVDs to put onto an iPad or iPod?
Considering how companies don't like DVD ripping....well, idk, there is probably something out there.
Your going to have a very hard time porting an existing Mac OS onto a PC laptop. I couldn't even say if it can be done to be honest...
King
My Program Releases I don't think have the copyright issues and I need to be able to get them onto a mobile device cause when I need to look over or check choreography I can't just go home each time to plug in the DVD.
Oh. Hmm. Are they DVD-Rs?
I'm afraid I don't have a lot of suggestions for converting Video formats to the MP4 format for the iPad....I think someone on this forum does, but I can't remember. I can research it later on if you want.
King
Alright well thinking it over and talking with my Dad as well. I think I'm gonna wait on getting an iPad or an iPhone till I have a more steady income and have everything all squared away. I just don't want to rush into anything at the moment, but I am looking at getting a new laptop like Rico suggested. Found a good priced one, it's a PC and I'm good with that, cause I really just need a laptop or something like that for mobile use.
Quote from: Sheppard on October 02, 2011, 03:31:12 PM
Alright well thinking it over and talking with my Dad as well. I think I'm gonna wait on getting an iPad or an iPhone till I have a more steady income and have everything all squared away. I just don't want to rush into anything at the moment, but I am looking at getting a new laptop like Rico suggested. Found a good priced one, it's a PC and I'm good with that, cause I really just need a laptop or something like that for mobile use.
Sounds like a wise move. And if you wait, you can get an even better iPad 3 or even 4. :)
Yeah, think about the iPhone 5 as well, cause I am gonna need a new phone/iPod Touch pretty soon. So I could kill two birds with one stone.
There's tons of good, free converters for PC, the one I used before I got my Mac was called ipodme but that was about a year ago so there might be better ones now. Currently I use Handbrake for Mac which is free, feature rich, fast, and easy to use. You can also very easily bypass copy protection on DVDs to use those programs and convert the data on the disc to a format your iPod or iPad can sync with. There are tiny little programs that do that, just google it.
Remember as well, that for movies and music, you can stream from your PC or Mac to an iPod and iPhone without putting the files on the device. So as long as you are home or connected to your network over wifi you don't have to have your media on the device.
Also check out the threads on some of the other tablets we have been talking about here. The advent of the Amazon Fire is spurring price drops on tablets all over the current market . You could seek out the HP Touchpad, which is discontinued but currently selling out their existing stock for $99 bucks for their 16Gb model , that is if you can find one. It's a ten inch tablet with comparable features and functions to the iPad. I might get one myself if I can find one, just as a backup.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on October 02, 2011, 08:19:39 PM
There's tons of good, free converters for PC, the one I used before I got my Mac was called ipodme but that was about a year ago so there might be better ones now. Currently I use Handbrake for Mac which is free, feature rich, fast, and easy to use. You can also very easily bypass copy protection on DVDs to use those programs and convert the data on the disc to a format your iPod or iPad can sync with. There are tiny little programs that do that, just google it.
Remember as well, that for movies and music, you can stream from your PC or Mac to an iPod and iPhone without putting the files on the device. So as long as you are home or connected to your network over wifi you don't have to have your media on the device.
Well what I really need to convert DVDs for is to put my Les Mills Program Release videos on my mobile devices so that I can watch them whenever I need to learn or check choreography. They may be copyright Les Mills, but technically I am Les Mills. We just don't have the right to distribute it to non-instructor. So I just need a good program to convert it. Wanted to see if anybody had any good suggestions. So I'll check those out.
i had this recommended to me by someone at work who has the ipad2. Aiseesoft iPad 2 Converter. I have not got round to looking into it or using it yet though. But as a tech geek he normally knows his stuff. To be honest where the ipad is concenered i heytell Tim and Rick.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 02, 2011, 02:40:09 PM
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Your going to have a very hard time porting an existing Mac OS onto a PC laptop. I couldn't even say if it can be done to be honest...
King
Not that hard but it depends on the laptop ;)
Dan, let me know what model you are getting, you may just be able to keep using OS X on it if you have the right one. :)
Looks like some folks are thinking the iPad might get a price cut....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45304489/ns/business-motley_fool/#.TsKTtz3aTZU (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45304489/ns/business-motley_fool/#.TsKTtz3aTZU)
I wouldn't be suprised to see Apple lower iPad prices leading into the iPad 3 release. I don't see it happening before the holidays.
Great...I just bought my wife an iPad2 for her birthday last month (it was a HUGE hit by the way).
I don't think the iPad has ever been discounted on a large scale as fara s I can remember. Wouldn't count on it much.
King
I agree, it's not very likely. And the author of that article draws a lot of conclusion I don't agree with at all.
I just bought an iPad 2 for $10.00! Of course, it's only a photo but still!!! :)
Quote from: QuadShot on November 15, 2011, 11:41:24 AM
I just bought an iPad 2 for $10.00! Of course, it's only a photo but still!!! :)
Does it run iOS5?
;)
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on November 15, 2011, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on November 15, 2011, 11:41:24 AM
I just bought an iPad 2 for $10.00! Of course, it's only a photo but still!!! :)
Does it run iOS5?
;)
King
No, I owe $$ 5 :)
They discounted the iPad one over here by £100 pound when the two hit. But that was just to clear the stock. They seem to have a good turn over and Christmas will see them sell more