BSG Season 4 News (may contain slight spoilers)

jedijeff · January 17, 2009, 08:26:08 AM

The Starbuck story has me really intrigued. Her finding her ship, with her dead body in it was creepy and then to see Leoben so freaked out really getting me interested. Somehow it reminded me of the Original Battlestar when they found the crashed ship on the planet, but never revealed what they saw. I am just not sure what to think about Starbuck now, is it some sort of time paradox, or has she evolved to something else after crashing onto the planet.
I felt bad about Dee, liked to character, but I guess that is what these shows do to keep us watching.

Bryancd · January 17, 2009, 08:41:35 AM

The Dee thing took me completely by surprise! I was like HOLY S@#T!

Rico · January 17, 2009, 09:36:30 AM

This seems to be appropriate....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QVtjM_Igec

Geekyfanboy · January 17, 2009, 09:40:07 AM

Just watched BSG this morning.. WOW.. what a way to start my weekend..

The Dee things totally too me by surprise.. I'm a Dee fan so when I saw how much they were focusing on her character in this episode my first thought.. oh she's the fifth cylon and I kept thinking that until she blew her brains out and I was floored.

BSG has had a lot of depressing episodes but I think this one beats them all. Some of those scenes were so hard to watch, it felt so real and it's tough watching the human race give up.

I have no idea what to think about Starbuck and dead Starbuck.. is it a parallel universe, time travel, or something that RM will invent. I am looking forward to finding out.

And the fifth Cylon is... Ellen.. didn't see that one.

So my question is.. Who came first the Cylons or the Humans or is everyone a Cylon, just different models. Did the humans create the Cylons on Earth thousands of years ago and the humans and cylons got together to create hybrids and then the battle happened and the hybrids fled and created the 13 Colonies. So many questions and nine more episodes to get the answers... can't wait.

sheldor · January 17, 2009, 09:58:47 AM

Quote from: Bryancd on January 17, 2009, 08:41:35 AM
The Dee thing took me completely by surprise! I was like HOLY S@#T!

When she took off the ring, I was like...oh no, please don't.

M-5 · January 17, 2009, 10:16:32 AM

There were so many twists that I don't what to think. I don't know what's going to happened, but I be watching every second of it.

Dangelus · January 17, 2009, 11:07:54 AM

Sounds like I need to watch this pretty soon!

Blackride · January 17, 2009, 11:10:37 AM

Anyone notice how Starbuck said "Oh my god" when she found her ship but later refers to "gods" (plural). THey always use it in plural from what I can recall without watching ever shoe again :)

moyer777 · January 17, 2009, 12:45:07 PM

I found myself having a rough time with several scenes because they evoked so much emotion. When Ros was burning her "scriptures" and going through her faith crisis... I was like.. wow. It was so stirring and sad all at the same time. Adama and his conversation with Ty was absolutely amazing, as well as the scene in the mourge. I am floored by the acting. So good. gritty and real.

Rico · January 17, 2009, 01:20:48 PM

Oh - here's a longer clip that I just put up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Gl0jWnHnI

Darth Gaos · January 17, 2009, 03:57:09 PM

When Dee was in the Raptor and was trying to keep her self-control is when I first began to think she may kill herself....so sad.

I totally agree with Rick...so many unbelievable scenes which such great acting.

The STarbuck plot....I have no idea where to even begin trying to figure that out.

Bryancd · January 17, 2009, 04:03:33 PM

I didn't like the scene where Adama is walking to Tigh's quarters and the crew are all fighting and sitting around in the corridors, it seemed like too quick a collapse of discipline and I hate to say it, but when Adama was confronting Tigh, Edward James pushed the acting a wee bit too far and it took me out of it. First time he has done that in Four seasons for me, so not a big deal, but he was a little over the top.

wraith1701 · January 17, 2009, 04:46:24 PM

Really great episode, and on so many levels. A real roller-coaster ride, with some high points (like the date between Lee and Dee), and many, MANY more low points. At times, I felt like I was watching a Shakesperean tragedy, and at others, like I was watching a train-wreck.

Horrible to see, but at the same time, too fascinating to ignore.

Regarding the Starbuck situation: I think things are just as they seem-- the dead body is the "real" Starbuck that we first meet in the Mini-Series. The current Starbuck is a copy with implanted memories. In fact, this ties in pretty neatly with a pet theory of mine.

Here it goes:

ALL of the "humans" are Cylons. Not actual metal robots, of course, but 'flesh-cylons', like Six and Boomer.

What if "The Plan" is just a series of repeated attempts to re-start the human race. With each try, the Machine Cylons decant a fresh batch of clones, or 'human-model cylons', all with ready-made memories and pre-programmed personalities. They set these cylon-created humans loose and see what happens. And they keep a small sample of the human-model cylons close at hand, with at least a partial awareness of their true nature, as a sort of control group.

And each time, the 'new humans' figure out a way to destroy themselves.. either directly (through nuclear holocaust, for example), or indirectly (like by creating yet another type of machine servant, only to have it turn on them).

I think it might have been mentioned by another member of the forum earlier, but it's worth repeating:

The 5th Cylon isn't just Ellen; it's Humanity.

...Or maybe not. ;)

Bryancd · January 17, 2009, 05:02:51 PM

... I like the sounds of that, Wraith.

Darth Gaos · January 17, 2009, 08:00:17 PM

That is a really cool theory Wraith.....definitely plausible given the information we have now.