BSG Season 4 News (may contain slight spoilers)

Dangelus · January 18, 2009, 12:07:19 AM

Wraith you make a lot of sense with that.

Watched the episode last night. Absolutely fantastic! This series is going to go out with a bang. It can't all end here surely? It is just too good to finish!

billybob476 · January 19, 2009, 04:49:57 AM

Amazing episode, just caught it yesterday. I won't repeat what has already been said but I also agree with the whole "all humans are actually Cylons" theory.

Also, if indeed this is Earth (which is still questionable), does that mean WE are all really Cylons? :)

X · January 19, 2009, 05:59:23 AM

Quote from: billybob476 on January 19, 2009, 04:49:57 AM
Amazing episode, just caught it yesterday. I won't repeat what has already been said but I also agree with the whole "all humans are actually Cylons" theory.

Also, if indeed this is Earth (which is still questionable), does that mean WE are all really Cylons? :)

I don't think it would because the cylons there actually knew that they were cylons.

Rico · January 19, 2009, 06:00:36 AM

I'm not sure about the everyone is a Cylon thing. First, if that is true then Cylon models must be different. Because breeding, super-strength, etc. seem to be different with most of "humanity." Also, isn't the new series Caprica suppose to deal with the earlier days of the creation of some of the Cylons? Also, in the movie "Razor" which showed Adama in the past it seems that human looking Cylons were just being started. So, I guess I think unless all that has been misdirection I'm not believing everyone is a Cylon.

billybob476 · January 19, 2009, 06:04:30 AM

Well as one of my buddies said: If we are thinking of it, it's not far out enough for Galactica.

We can speculate all we want but if BSG stays true to form, they'll blow us away with something way out of left field.

Geekyfanboy · January 19, 2009, 07:59:23 AM

Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2009, 06:00:36 AM
I'm not sure about the everyone is a Cylon thing. First, if that is true then Cylon models must be different. Because breeding, super-strength, etc. seem to be different with most of "humanity." Also, isn't the new series Caprica suppose to deal with the earlier days of the creation of some of the Cylons? Also, in the movie "Razor" which showed Adama in the past it seems that human looking Cylons were just being started. So, I guess I think unless all that has been misdirection I'm not believing everyone is a Cylon.

But Humanity could be all human/cylon hybrids. We don't know anything about them.

Rico · January 19, 2009, 08:06:07 AM

Still don't think so. Again, it just doesn't add up for me. They have made such a big deal about Helo & Sharon's kid all this time. Besides, again I think the answers are much more complex and perhaps even more mystical in nature - which has been a big part of the show from the start.

One new idea is maybe over time, everyone becomes a Cylon, or human-Cylon blend. Again, that seems to be what the show has been shooting for. With the Alliance and the Civil War within the various Cylon models. Anyway, time will tell.

wraith1701 · January 20, 2009, 03:31:50 PM

Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2009, 06:00:36 AM
I'm not sure about the everyone is a Cylon thing. First, if that is true then Cylon models must be different. Because breeding, super-strength, etc. seem to be different with most of "humanity." Also, isn't the new series Caprica suppose to deal with the earlier days of the creation of some of the Cylons? Also, in the movie "Razor" which showed Adama in the past it seems that human looking Cylons were just being started. So, I guess I think unless all that has been misdirection I'm not believing everyone is a Cylon.

I see where you are coming from, and I admit that the idea is very far-fetched. I'm mostly just speculating for fun. :) But, as far-fetched as the "everyone's a Cylon" theory is, I maintain that it is possible:

Razor supposedly shows us some of Adama and Cain's memories. Caprica supposedly tells us about Adama's childhood. Adama has memories of his ex-wife, and of fighting in the first cylon war with Tigh. Whose to say that these memories are real? Before realizing that she was a Cylon, Sharon had "Memories" about her childhood and family, even though she really never had either. I'm sure Tigh, Anders, Chief, and Tori have memories of pasts that didn't exist as well.

As for the Super-Strength thing- None of the sleeper agents showed any sign of having enhanced abilities until they realized their true nature. Once that happened, we see Sharon showing lightening-quick reflexes, and Tori throwing Cally around like she weighed nothing. Perhaps the enhancements are triggered only after the agents embrace who they are.

In the end, I like what Billybob had to say-

QuoteIf we are thinking of it, it's not far out enough for Galactica.

I'm hoping that the final reveal will be so far out there, it will blow all of our minds. But even if it doesn't, the quality of the writing and acting should ensure that the ride to the finish will be a fun one.

Bryancd · January 20, 2009, 03:36:37 PM

I think the Cylon's are actually a metaphor for the de-humanization of mankind in a world without faith in anything and an utter worship of technology and.... ok, never mind.... ;)

Meanwhile, hey that Jamie dude is quite the stud! Here's a stud pic for your hunk collection Rico....and for the enjoyment of some forum members.... :biggrin

Bryancd · January 20, 2009, 04:00:41 PM

Quote from: Just X on January 16, 2009, 08:55:01 PM
It's not earth. Rotation and landmass doesn't match.

It is Earth. Apparently R.D. Moore said so in an interview.

billybob476 · January 20, 2009, 04:57:06 PM

Quote from: Bryancd on January 20, 2009, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: Just X on January 16, 2009, 08:55:01 PM
It's not earth. Rotation and landmass doesn't match.

It is Earth. Apparently R.D. Moore said so in an interview.

I assume you mean this interview: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html

he says this:

QuoteThat planet is Earth? We're not going to find out, "Oh, there's this other Earth over here..." This is the only Earth we'll see?

They have found Earth. This is the Earth that the 13th Colony discovered, they christened it Earth. They found Earth.

So the planet that the 13th tribe landed on and named Earth. At no time did he say that it is this Earth. Remember, at the end of season 3 he said Starbuck was dead. We thought he lied but as it turns out he wasn't.

Ron Moore appears to be very deliberate in what he says and how he says it.

Bryancd · January 20, 2009, 05:05:05 PM

I do. But the concept of an alternate Earth would be too sci-fi for RDM. It is Earth, now we need to figure out what it means.

X · January 20, 2009, 05:23:12 PM

Quote from: Bryancd on January 20, 2009, 05:05:05 PM
I do. But the concept of an alternate Earth would be too sci-fi for RDM. It is Earth, now we need to figure out what it means.

What I think is that after Galactica made it to earth, they influenced the culture and those names of legend were passed down as people migrated from earth to found a new 13 colonies. The Cylons named their colony Earth and the others did their thing.

Then 2,000 years ago Lucifer and his cylons caught up with the new colonies and did their extermination thing...

It has happened before. It will happen again.

BSG is not just a reimagining of the old BSG but a future based sequel. Name of old legends became Call signs, or last names.

Or I might be off, but I like my idea.

Geekyfanboy · January 20, 2009, 06:29:46 PM

Well it looks to be official.

Ron Moore Discusses BSG Revelations
January 20, 2009 by Michael Hickerson || Category: TV

Warning: This article will contain SPOILERS for the latest episode of "Battlestar Galactica." If you don't want to know any of the details or haven't watched the episode yet, please stop reading now...

"Battlestar Galactica" returned with a roar Friday night, featuring at least one jaw-dropping revelation per episode segment.

But the biggest revelation was saved for the episodes waning moment with the long-awaited reveal of the identity of the fifth Cylon.

The final Cylon turned out to be none other than Saul Tigh's deceased wife, Ellen.

That revelation, as well as a variety of other moments, sparked a firestorm of conversation and controversy among fans. Series producer Ronald Moore spoke to the Chicago Tribune's television critic and media blogger Maureen Ryan about the decision and what it could mean for the rest of the "Galactica" run.

"There's a certain logic to it," Moore said. "I sort of figured out early on that I liked the pairing of her and Tigh. [I liked] that there was something deeper to their marriage and deeper to their relationship, that it was literally a relationship that had transcended time and space, that it was very ancient that had gone on for a very long."

There was something really appealing about the idea that of the final five, the two of them were a pair, and they were THIS pair — you know, as drama-ridden as their relationship had been, the idea that there had always been something deeper and more profound at its center, I always really, really liked," he continued.

Moore also said that he and the writers had singled out Ellen as the final Cylon as far back as the third season of the show.

"Over the course of the third season, Ellen came and went in my thinking in terms of who the final five were," he said. "It probably wasn't until we settled on the final four that I knew it was Ellen. When we got to the final four — Tigh, Anders, Tory and Tyrol — then it felt like, "and Ellen has to be the fifth." Because Tigh being revealed as a Cylon was such a profound shift in that character, such a big leap for the show, that it felt really natural that she was also a Cylon."

Moore went on to say that while the revelation wasn't the usual shock administered by "Galactica." Many times, the twists and turns come up quickly, but he said this one was more woven into the overall tapestry of the show and designed to be a game-changing moment when a lot of elements click into place.

"It really did just fit into the larger story. And that's sort of how the show has always been, it's been about taking leaps and seeing how things fit in together. That just felt really natural. It just felt like it would line up correctly. It felt like all the pieces would make sense and that it would be a satisfying thing," he said.

And Moore promises that this won't be the last time we see Ellen this year....

In the Los Angeles Times, actress Kate Vernon, who playes Ellen, revealed she will be in seven of the final nine episodes of the series. She also said she's known her role for two years and has had a difficult time keepng the secret.

http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/01/20/ron-moore-discusses-bsg-revelations/

Bryancd · January 22, 2009, 05:26:03 AM

OK, RDM's podcast is out where he reviews this episode. First, Earth is Earth (or earth, maybe not ours, but it is called Earth. He also gives insight into the mythology of BSG. That humans and the gods all lived together in paradise on Kobol. Then man stole fire from the gods in the form of the ability to create life, the cylons. Then they destroyed paradise (Kobol) and 12 colonies went one way and the 13th tribe, the cylons, went to Earth, where they in turn created life and destroyed themselves. And I am only 20min into listening to this!