Galactica - Season 4 discussion (spoilers)

Blackride · April 26, 2008, 10:49:30 AM

All I have to say is Baltar cracks me up. That's the best part of last nights show :) His comments like "I just want to go lay down" made me laugh so hard!

wraith1701 · April 26, 2008, 12:09:03 PM

I know that the religious elements of this show are pretty overt, but this episode solidified a comparison that has somehow slipped by me over the last few years. Given that the writer's are painting Baltar as a sort of Jesus figure (at least in the eyes of his followers), it seems that the 6 in his head is sort of a Satan figure. All along, she has been prodding, coaching, and tempting him down a certain path, sort of like Satan did when he tried to tempt Jesus to go astray in the desert. But unlike the story depicted in the Bible, Baltar is embracing the path being laid out for him by number 6.

I've always assumed that if the 6 in Baltar's head is an actual entity, and not just a figment of his imagination, she had his (and humanity's) best interests in heart. Now, I'm growing convinced that she is an actual entity, and is using Baltar as a pawn in a plan to destroy not only him, but the remnant of humanity.

What do you all think? Am I just stating the obvious, or is this comparison pretty far fetched?

Locutus · April 26, 2008, 10:08:43 PM

Not far fetched - very interesting, actually.

I know it is not canon (or rather, I think it is not), but in the BSG:Origins comic series about Baltar, he had to have some sort of operation on his head. Guess who the surgeon was? (The doctor cylon, if you didn't catch my drift.)

Shortly after that, the Cylons attacked, and the show started. If anyone knows whether or not they consider those comics canon I would be interested. I haven't seen anything that says they are. (I haven't really looked, either, so there's that.)

X · April 27, 2008, 08:04:05 AM

I think that Head Six is still on the side of Baltar and humanity. What she did was make it seem as if he was the MASTER of the non-violent protest. They struck him down and he for lack of a better phrase, turned the other cheek. he couldn't have done this without Six's prodding.

Her presence make him seem more divine because he seemed to push past the pain to reach his goal in a non violent manner.

wraith1701 · April 27, 2008, 09:22:39 AM

Quote from: Just X on April 27, 2008, 08:04:05 AM
I think that Head Six is still on the side of Baltar and humanity. What she did was make it seem as if he was the MASTER of the non-violent protest. They struck him down and he for lack of a better phrase, turned the other cheek. he couldn't have done this without Six's prodding.
Her presence make him seem more divine because he seemed to push past the pain to reach his goal in a non violent manner.

I like the 'turn the other cheek' analogy. :thumbsup
Other than Six's false claim that Baltar wouldn't be hurt if he proceeded, I don't really see anything suspicious in this scene.

The scene that struck me as kind of ominous was the earlier scene, when Six convinces Baltar to storm the temple-

BALTAR- "Why can't I just be a man? Do I really need to take on the gods singlehanded?"

SIX- "No, but imagine the kind of man you will be when you do. For surely such a man must be magnificant. Larger than life; godlike himself."

This exchange struck me as being a blatant example of Six trying to manipulate Baltar through his ego; promising him divine status if he will just follow her instructions.

X · April 27, 2008, 09:33:38 AM

I don't think she considered the pain as harm. In the end, he was better for the action in the eyes of his people. Stronger. She didn't say it would be painless, but I can see how he might have confused her version of hurt with his.

Darth Gaos · April 28, 2008, 08:15:56 AM

!!!!POSSIBLE SPOLIERS!!!!

I know some folks choose not to watch the previews for the following weeks episode so I figured I would put the Spoiler Warning up there. Did the preview strike anyone else as....I don't know...odd or out of place? Now I know that the previews are purposfully mis leading and I will watch next week, but the preview kinda put me off for some reason. They made it seem like Helo and Gaeda were commiting mutiny presumably based on the fact that one of the Leoben's had come on board and was "guiding" Starbucks hand, if you will, and helping her get back on track in the quest for Earth. Now I have 2 problems with that: One, if they are committing mutiny becasue of Starbuck's trust of a cylon, well that just seems all wrong considering Helo is in LOVE WITH ONE. Two, while it may be a long and arduous journey and people may be getting restless...why go on the trip to search for Earth if you are not going to see it through. Was becoming a member of the crew of the Demetrius not voluntary (I really don't know the answer to this actually and am genuinely curious). What I am saying is that it would seem you would know you were in for a long journey and be prepared for setbacks and things like that. Like I said I will watch because I am sure (hope) that it is not what it seems. However the preview seemed...well kinda trite and out of character for the show. I should really stop watching the previews :)

wraith1701 · April 28, 2008, 09:33:38 PM

QuoteWas becoming a member of the crew of the Demetrius not voluntary (I really don't know the answer to this actually and am genuinely curious).

I don't think it was entirely voluntary. Felix Gaeta made it clear that he isn't wild about the "new" Starbuck, and that he doesn't trust her... a sentiment shared by several other crewmembers of the Demetrius. I think some folks volunteered for the mission, and the rest had themselves volunteered by the Man In Charge.

*** By the way; R.D.M.'s podcasts for Six Of One and The Ties That Bind are now available on scifi dot com.***

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php :cylon

moyer777 · May 07, 2008, 08:51:01 AM

I have really enjoyed listening to Ron Moores commentary. It brings so much more to the episodes. Pretty cool.

wraith1701 · May 10, 2008, 07:14:53 PM

Finally got around to watching last night's episode; pretty moving stuff. The scenes with Roslyn and Nana Visitor's character kind of got to me; esp. when Roslyn was remembering the passing of her mother.

The scenes on the Basestar were pretty cool as well. I kept wanting Anders to go ahead and stick his hand in the interface pool to see what would happen. The hybrid's warning/prophecy was interesting-- "The Five who come from the 13th tribe?" So Tyrol, Tigh, Anders, Torey, and whoever the 5th are come from Earth? I'm eager to see how this plays out.

It will also be interesting to see how Adama and company react when Kara and Helo return with a Basestar in tow.

moyer777 · May 10, 2008, 07:47:42 PM

Quote from: moyer777 on May 07, 2008, 08:51:01 AM
I have really enjoyed listening to Ron Moores commentary. It brings so much more to the episodes. Pretty cool.

Until today. His latest wasn't as good. All of the sudden he just drops a huge amount of "F" bombs and that just turns me off. I do enjoy his perspective, considering he is brilliant in writing and producing good stories. Anyway... I gues that's my little annoyance.

:)

Good epidode last night. Lots of cool parts, very emotional, fascinating in the religious area now.

Darth Gaos · May 16, 2008, 09:19:00 PM

Holy Frak! What a great episode this week!!! I think we are finally starting to see the beginning of the end......sad but exciting at the same time.

Geekyfanboy · May 16, 2008, 11:01:07 PM

"JUMP!!!!!!!" OMG :jawdrop

jedijeff · May 17, 2008, 06:36:20 AM

Yes, that was a great episode, and really started to move the storyline. Tigh was crawling out of his skin with the thought of the final 5 cylons being revealed. I like that they picked up the Opera house story again, will be interested to see what Roslyn finds out. I felt bad for the 6 getting shot, they are doing so well lately. I probably felt really bad for Gaeta, losing his leg, those scenes were tough to watch. I will be interested to see what they do with his character, and how he will interact with people like Anders. Kara and Helo.
I will admit after the previous two episodes, I was feeling a bit less excited about Galactica. The two parter to me really dragged, and besides finding the Base ship, did little else. I thought it could have been done in one episode, and cut out a bunch of the Baltar ramblings, plus a lot of the Leoben stuff. But this weeks episode was great, and got the story back on track, at least for me.

X · May 17, 2008, 07:34:01 AM

Wow. It wasn't until last night that I realized how unforgiving I can be. I'm watching him get his leg removed and the only thing I can think of is. "Well that's what happens to mutineers!"

When he is singing, I found myself wondering if he had any consideration for those people that were there because they didn't do anything wrong and maybe they didn't want to hear singing 24/7.

Man, I'm meaner than I thought I was because I had zero sympathy for Gaeta.