Galactica - Season 4 discussion (spoilers)

Rico · April 12, 2008, 05:58:15 AM

Great episode. I love all the conflict going on with the cylons. So Cabal is number one cylon. Interesting. And those Centurions seem pretty pissed off. I'm not sure they all have the same programming or not right now. The stuff with the send off for Apollo and the scene between the Admiral and Roslyn was great. Amazing acting! These people all deserve Emmy's! It made sense to send Starbuck off on her own. Not sure how they will maintain contact with the fleet if she does find Earth again. Love this show! Can't wait for next week.

jedijeff · April 12, 2008, 07:28:07 AM

Cool epsiode, I like how they are bringing the Centaurions more into the story now, really looking forward to how the conflict between the cylons work out. Interested in what happens to Lee as well, seems like he will not be on the Galactica, so will be interesting how his story works in with the crew back on Galactica. I thought it was great how they sent Starbuck off at the end of the episode to follow her path to Earth, I think there will be more showdowns with Rosyln in the Future. I liked how Adama told her that her death will not be any more significant then anyone elses, and that she might not be the dying leader she thought she was.

X · April 12, 2008, 07:49:49 AM

I think that the exchange between Adama and Roslyn is a pretty solid married couple argument. They are trying to decide how to deal with one of the troublemaking kids and they can't agree.

The wife believe that lack of agreement means that things must continue to go her way.

The husband think that he needs to change the rules to get what he wants done without upsetting the wife further.

It also touched on those relationships of old that didn't divorce no matter what. Then at the end of the line when it looks like the couple can't stand each other and everyone is wondering why they are still together. It usually comes down to those simple facts of one being scared to live alone and the other being scared to die alone.

Those exchanges made me see it more like a family than ever before. Even if they don't agree, they don't argue in the front of the kids. Even if they disagree on how to raise the kids, they both try to support the party line in public.

Oh, I dreamed of Cylons all night.

I think that we're going to see Lucifer at some point.

The skinjobs said that their creator made them the way they were and made them to not speak of the final five.

If the Centurions created the skinjobs, why would they allow themselves to be chipped to limit their function?

There is another party involved that started this. Another party that ran the labs to create the hybrids and skinjobs. That lab wasn't setup for Centurion scientist and if the skinjobs were not yet invented, who was doing the experimenting?

I know that this is going to be a HUGH leap, but what if Starbuck was a Greystone? What if she was the dead daughter that we are hearing hints of in the Caprica ideas?

Since the droid has her memories and genes, how hard would it be to make a clone body? Then to chip her to download to another clone, but still be totally organic?

That would explain the time it took to fix the body to the right age. It would tie directly into the new show. It would explain her visions. There could be a base with the facilities to fix up a dead Kara and contain the protocylons that led to the combat models and were responsible for the creation of the later models.

Yes it is a huge leap, but two dead girls and one was an Adama. I don't think they would make Kira an Adama because of her and Lee, but a Graystone? Why the hell not? Why not connect the two shows on a closer level by tying the Greystones to the current story.

It would also explain how Kira is the doom of the human race. If she's a remake of the dead girl and the Cylons came from her, she did basically nuke the human race and end it at the start of the series.

OR I could be completely wrong.

wraith1701 · April 12, 2008, 07:53:21 AM

Quote from: jedijeff on April 12, 2008, 07:28:07 AM
I think there will be more showdowns with Rosyln in the Future. I liked how Adama told her that her death will not be any more significant then anyone elses, and that she might not be the dying leader she thought she was.

It was a cool scene; the emotions of both actors came across as very raw and real. I don't think that Adama was saying that he thought that Roslyn's death would mean nothing, and that she wasn't the leader she thought she was. I think he was saying that her worst fear was that her death would mean nothing, etc. If he personally felt that way about her, I doubt that he would follow her lead, President or not. After all, he's already demonstrated that he isn't afraid of staging a military coup if he thinks that it is in the fleet's best interest.

Still; it was powerful stuff. Seeing him lash out at her for hitting so close to the mark on her summation of his feelings regarding Starbuck was one of the most "real" things I've seen in the series to date. It shows that his character has the very human flaw of lashing out when emotionally cornered. Unfortunately, it's hard to take words back once they've been said. I'm wondering if the relationship that has been slowly building between the two will survive this little blow-up.

wraith1701 · April 12, 2008, 08:01:07 AM

Quote from: Just X on April 12, 2008, 07:49:49 AM
I think that the exchange between Adama and Roslyn is a pretty solid married couple argument. They are trying to decide how to deal with one of the troublemaking kids and they can't agree.

The wife believe that lack of agreement means that things must continue to go her way.

The husband think that he needs to change the rules to get what he wants done without upsetting the wife further.

It also touched on those relationships of old that didn't divorce no matter what. Then at the end of the line when it looks like the couple can't stand each other and everyone is wondering why they are still together. It usually comes down to those simple facts of one being scared to live alone and the other being scared to die alone.

Those exchanges made me see it more like a family than ever before. Even if they don't agree, they don't argue in the front of the kids. Even if they disagree on how to raise the kids, they both try to support the party line in public.

Those are some cool observations. I agree that the two will continue to present a united front in public, but I wonder if things will continue to be the same in private.

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The skinjobs said that their creator made them the way they were and made them to not speak of the final five.

If the Centurions created the skinjobs, why would they allow themselves to be chipped to limit their function?

There is another party involved that started this. Another party that ran the labs to create the hybrids and skinjobs. That lab wasn't setup for Centurion scientist and if the skinjobs were not yet invented, who was doing the experimenting?

I know that this is going to be a HUGH leap, but what if Starbuck was a Greystone? What if she was the dead daughter that we are hearing hints of in the Caprica ideas?

Since the droid has her memories and genes, how hard would it be to make a clone body? Then to chip her to download to another clone, but still be totally organic?

That would explain the time it took to fix the body to the right age. It would tie directly into the new show. It would explain her visions. There could be a base with the facilities to fix up a dead Kara and contain the protocylons that led to the combat models and were responsible for the creation of the later models.

Yes it is a huge leap, but two dead girls and one was an Adama. I don't think they would make Kira an Adama because of her and Lee, but a Graystone? Why the hell not? Why not connect the two shows on a closer level by tying the Greystones to the current story.

It would also explain how Kira is the doom of the human race. If she's a remake of the dead girl and the Cylons came from her, she did basically nuke the human race and end it at the start of the series.

OR I could be completely wrong.

I think you are more correct than you think. I've seen some reliable spoilers on other sites that more or less fit your theory. ;)

Blackride · April 12, 2008, 10:01:18 AM

Good episode again. I like the cylon story lines going on the most of all at this point. I really liked Lee's send off...

Darth Gaos · April 12, 2008, 01:36:40 PM

Another exchange between the Pres and Adama that I loved was:

Adama: "You shot and missed at point blank range" (sic)
Roslyn: "Dyloxin affects your aim"
Adama: "So does doubt"

That whole scene between the two was awesome, but I think I said that before.

wraith1701 · April 17, 2008, 09:23:29 AM

Here are some images from this Friday's episode. It looks like Adama and Roslyn are going to make up-

And it also looks like Roslyn is sporting a new wig to hide her balding-

billybob476 · April 17, 2008, 09:43:10 AM

We should do a caption contest for that first picture!

moyer777 · April 17, 2008, 10:13:57 AM

"The Papa Bears bed was just too hard, the Mama's bed was too soft, but the baby's bed.. was just right...."

moyer777 · April 18, 2008, 10:34:00 PM

This week's episode was very intense.

Is it me or all of the sudden does most of the dialogue have the word "Frack" in it all the time?
I don't know this episode they used all sorts of variations of it and it just kind of turned me off. The story is great, and it gets clouded up for me when they keep screaming that over and over.

But I digress.

Pretty sad for the chief's wife... Cool Cylon storyline with the Base Stars.. that pretty much rocked. Massive tension in the government and Lee is getting quite the education in politics.

Anyway, pretty intense drama. SPACE OPERA! :cylon

Geekyfanboy · April 18, 2008, 11:03:09 PM

Just finished watching this weeks episode.. I agree with Rick.. alot of FRAK in this one. I have to say it had some really AWESOME parts and some okay parts. I don't now how I feel about it.. I didn't love it like the previous ones.. but it had it's moments.

X · April 19, 2008, 05:21:33 AM

For me this episode was good, but it left me wanting. I think it was because of the preview from last week. We saw the airlock scene and it felt like I was just waiting to get to that moment. I did enjoy the show, but this one was all too predictable in many of the sequences.

The only thing that wasn't predictable was spoiled by last weeks preview.

For any other scifi show, it would have been great. For Battlestar, it was just okay.

Blackride · April 19, 2008, 06:20:51 AM

Decent episode but way too much screaming/swearing ( even if it FRAK ). I am also getting a little bored with the 4 Battlestar Cylons. They need to do something to push that story forward. It looks like it will happen next week.

I have a question though. Why put some of your best officers with Kara? Don't they need them on Galactica? Ohhh wait it's TV :)

billybob476 · April 19, 2008, 08:06:21 AM

Yeah I was confused about why they sent so many people with Kara. I mean, Adama doesn't really trust her to begin with, so why send all your best people?

I think Callie getting sent out the airlock is going to push the chief to do something about the secrecy. It's going to come out soon and I think he'll be the one to do it. He won't want anyone else hurt to keep their secret. Tigh will oppose this.

As of last week I figured Anders would be the one to "go cylon" but it definitely looks like it's gonna be Tori. It looked to me like when she kocked Callie out she was holding herself differently, more confident, more like Six.

I don't watch the previews generally and I thought this was a great episode. I actually thought the first two were weaker compared to this one.