Heroes (might contain slight spoilers)

[MrOsterman]

Okay thoughts:

1)  Plot Hole:

If Sylar couldn't open Peter's head becuase of the regeneration, how did he open Claire's?  Simply put, Sylar can't eat Claire's brain unless he knows how to "Temp-Kill" her by sticking her brain with something first to turn off the regen.

2)  Matt

Is he bad?  Yeah he's doing bad stuff but his wife and son are being protected.  Just as Bennet was willing to sell out Hiro to protect Claire, Matt is willing to sell out Bennet to protect his own son.  Is it dirty?  A bit.  But at the same time it's about protecting his own child.

There was a bit on Galactica Watercooler this week where they talked about Gais signing the death warents because had a gun to his head.  Chuck was very forward that he would like to think he'd say "no" when asked to order the execution of hundreds of people; that he'd give his own life to try to save others.  But he also conceeded that how we'd *like* to act in a certain situation is not always how we *actually* act.

3)  Sylar's painting

I wish I had called into the 10th Wonder guys last week when they talked about the painting Sylar did of the white house.  I caught that it was Sylar not Nathan and it did, in that time line, come true.

What's nice is that we have passed the story climax for the major story arc.  The choices have been made, and Hiro has made his choices.  Now it is time to out and act on them.

They saved the Cheerleader.

Now they have to Save the World.

Mr. O

[Rico]

Interesting thoughts.  As far as Sylar, he has so many powers now I'm thinking he could do something to Claire in order to gain her power.  Maybe even as simple as telekinesis to her brain to injure it.  It's hard to know exactly what Matt's situation is.  I think he was being used by Sylar basically.  I think also in this alternate future several "heroes" may be doing some bad things that should be stopped.  And Matt was trying to help with that.  Again, what makes this show so good is all the interesting discussion and thoughts that come up about it.

[Geekyfanboy]

1) I don't think it's a plothole... Claire doesn't instantly regenerate, it takes a few minutes.  He used his telekinesis and froze her as he did Charlie. Both of them as he cut there head open didn't scream. Like Rico said I think in the future he has so many powers that it was easy for him to get to Claires brain.

2) I know Matt was protecting his son and wife but at what cost. In my opinion it was too much. He beat up Hiro and was about to kill him and for that matter did kill future Hiro.  Matt turned to the dark side, there was no humanity left in his eyes, no hesitation when he shot HRG. In my eyes, regardless of why he was doing it, he was a bad man.

I agree with the watercooler guys, you really don't know how you would react until you are in that situation. You just hope you would do the right thing.

3) I didn't catch that when I first saw the painting. I just figured it was a more warped picture coming from Sylar's head.

[Darth Gaos]

LOVED IT, LOVED IT, LOVED IT!!!!  I am really going to be upset in 3 weeks.  Anyway....

Sylar...should have seen it coming after the painting last week but I forgot....my wife saw it coming though.  I was glad it turned out to be Sylar because I like Nathan and it would have been a shame for him to become THAT bad.

When Peter came on screen with the scar both the wife and I said  "Whoa....THAT scar"

What I really love is that the whole premise of the first season is to prevent an ALREADY bad future.  I mean, I guess you could see that from the paintings but it's more than that to me.  Future Hiro didn't visit Peter to give him a clue to nudge him in the right direction out of kindness (I guess, it's hard to explain)....he did it because he wanted to prevent what he had already lived through....does that make any sense whatsoever?  I know what  I am thinking I just can't word it properly darn it!  What I am trying to say is that Hiro wasn't  trying to ensure a certain future, he was trying to prevent a certain future.

[Jobydrone]

WOW!  Last nights episode was just great.  It reminded me so much of several X-Men comics I have read. 

Yes!  The writers of this show certainly borrowed alot from the X-Men comic series, especially the "Days of Future Past."  It's amazing how a two issue story arc in the X-Men comic so dramatically influenced that series.  You can definitely see its influence in the plotline of Heroes.

[Geekyfanboy]

Yeah Heroes does tend to pull from alot of comic sources but I think they tweak them enough to make them there own. What do you guys think?

[Rico]

I'm fine with them using other things as inspiration.  And really, time travel, super powers, heroes has been done for a long, long time.  Unless Peter suddenly has claws pop out of his hands and starts calling everyone "bub", then I'm ok with it.  I keep thinking about Linderman and how he said that the bomb going off in NY would be a good thing to unite the people of Earth, etc.  So the fact that if the heroes stop this, the future might even be worse.  A classic paradox and difficult decision to make.  Sacrifice thousands to save maybe millions or even billions.  Interesting stuff.

[MrOsterman]

I keep thinking about Linderman and how he said that the bomb going off in NY would be a good thing to unite the people of Earth, etc. 

Hitler wanted a United Germany.

Ceasar wanted a United Europe under Roman Rule.

Gehngis Khan wanted to unite Asia under his warlords.

Unity is not always good....

Mr. O

(Noting that while I did evoke Hitler in an online debate, I would submit that the subject was broached by the Nazi references in the actual show to the genocide of all Specials as dangerous and therefore I do not believe I automatically must conceed all points and arguments though my evocation.)

[Jobydrone]

I'm fine with them using other things as inspiration. 

Oh I'm okay with it too.  I only wish the X-Men feature films had been one tenth as compelling as Heroes has been so far.  It's fine to take a good idea and change it to make something better out of it, it's a huge part of the creative process.

[Rico]

I keep thinking about Linderman and how he said that the bomb going off in NY would be a good thing to unite the people of Earth, etc.

Hitler wanted a United Germany.

Ceasar wanted a United Europe under Roman Rule.

Gehngis Khan wanted to unite Asia under his warlords.

Unity is not always good....

Mr. O

(Noting that while I did evoke Hitler in an online debate, I would submit that the subject was broached by the Nazi references in the actual show to the genocide of all Specials as dangerous and therefore I do not believe I automatically must conceed all points and arguments though my evocation.)

Not wanting to get into a political debate, but unity under an autocratic dictator is not the type of unity I was implying.  For example, in the world of Star Trek you have unity in the United Federation of Planets.  But, those member worlds choose to join the UFP.  Unity isn't really unity if you are being told or forced to join up.

I was under the impression that in "Heroes" the unity might just be the people coming together to form a common good.  But, the future didn't really show things ended up that way.  Nathan/Sylar turned into a despot and wanted to control the people with powers.  But he seems to be pure, nasty evil anyway.  I guess there are many levels of unity, but being forced into something isn't really a united people.  At least in my view.

[MrOsterman]

  Unity isn't really unity if you are being told or forced to join up.

I was under the impression that in "Heroes" the unity might just be the people coming together to form a common good.  But, the future didn't really show things ended up that way. 

Well my working impression is that Linderman isn't nearly as benign as he seems and I would expect that his sense of "Unity" is unity of force not choice.  I get a very "bad" vibe off of him and can very much see him as a "we're all one.  Under my control".

I'm also finding his absense in this week as very curious.  Perhaps the Linderman Act was on "in rememberence" of Linderman when he died under mysteriouis circumstances, perhaps at the hands of Sylar.  I would think that Sylar as Nathan would not be comfortable taking orders from Linderman.....

Mr O

[JoSpiv]

Wow what amazing thoughts.

As for the Unity comment.  I think that that may have simply been rhetoic so Nathan would agree to Linderman's plan.  I mean anyone running for a government office wouldn't mind if someone said they'll make him President.  Linderman was playing to Nathan's vanity.

You have to wonder though, if nathan had been President the whole time, what things would be different?  Maybe the world would be united in a possitive way.

[CelticFilmMaker]

Oh YES!  That was the most amazing episode yet.  Now, a few thoughts and questions...
I'm a bit confused, maybe because I watched the episode late, brain tired and all...but in the future, FH (Future Hiro) tells Hiro and Ando that he tried to kill Sylar but was unsuccessful because Sylar killed Claire and got her power, yet, we see Claire in that future?  Huh?

Now the killing of Sylar.  The new "Special" that will be in next episode is Molly (I believe is her name), and we all remember her from very early in the series as the little girl that was hiding in the closet that Parkman "talked" to.  Why was Sylar there?  He killed everyone but Molly got away.  I'm thinking Molly was the target.  She has a very special power, maybe one that can block other powers or maybe even confuse or stall them.  That's why Sylar was after her.  What a tremendous power to have.  So, in Issacs comic, we only see Hiro thrusting his Katana into Sylar and what looks like Sylar in much pain, like he's dying.  Well, maybe what we don't see, what's on the facing page is Molly blocking Sylars power long enough for Hiro to deliver the fatal blow.

Peter's scar...lots of questions about that one.  In the future we see a very impressive scar on Peters face, but why?  He has Claires regeneration.  My thoughts...Peter (in the future) was the bomb.  I believe that one.  He thought because he blew up he caused the deaths of a great many people he cared for and a great many others.  This weighed very heavily on Peter.  So, maybe he is able to control what heals completely and what doesn't so decided to leave the scar because he NEVER wants to forget...kind of a tribute or memorial if you will. 

Just my thoughts.  Thanks---Al

[Darkmolerman]

Also my thoughts of Peter being the Bomb is a bad Idea, If he will blow up NO MATTER WHAT I would get some guys to fly him (on a airplane) in the middle of no where make him fall off the plane and as soon as he blows up catch  him or have a huge trampoline for him to fall in (that would be so loony toons he-he)

[Locutus]

CFM, I was wondering that about Claire, too. I like your speculations, especially about the scar. Unfortunately, I wonder whether or not Heroes is as well thought out as that, like they just wanted him to look bad ass, so they gave him a scar and black clothes to show how much he's changed, and when they change the future, they don't have to worry about answering those questions.

But maybe not.