TREKS IN SCI-FI FORUM

This is taken from a TV guide reporter Michael Ausiello

"I just finished reading a first draft of the script for Heroes, NBC's fall pilot about everyday folks blessed with superpowers, and, well, to answer the question I posed in the title, yes, I believe a new Lost-like phenomenon is about to be born. And here's why: THE CAST ROCKS: In addition to one of my FFPOTP Greg Grunberg, the ensemble boasts Gilmore guy Milo Ventimiglia and teenage wunderkind Hayden Panettiere. The show's behind-the-scenes pedigree is equally as impressive. Dave Semel, whose credits include directing the American Dreams pilot, has just signed on to helm the Heroes pilot. And while I may not deem Crossing Jordan FauxVo-worthy, I'm suddenly a big fan of its (and Heroes') creator, Tim Kring.

I'M ALREADY OBSESSED WITH THE CHARACTERS: Just as Lost isn't really a show about a haunted island, Heroes isn't a show about crusaders, caped or otherwise. It's about people â€" albeit ones with extraordinary quirks. "I kind of want to stay away from the superhero aspect," says Kring. "It's about very ordinary people all over the world who literally discover that they have special powers, and it's their dealing with that." The superheroes, er, ordinary people include a 30-year-old male nurse who believes he can fly â€" and, unlike R. Kelly, really can; a 28-year-old junkie who has the ability to paint images of the future; a 33-year-old Las Vegas showgirl who can do incredible things with mirrors; a 24-year-old Japanese comic-book geek who literally makes time stand still; a 31-year-old inmate who can transport himself through walls (eat your heart out, Michael Scofield); and a 17-year-old cheerleader who defies death at every turn (think of Bruce Willis in Unbreakable, only with blonde hair and big pom-poms).

Sounds cool to me.. kind of like X-men for TV. I know the idea isn't orginal but I don't care.. Let's hope the pilot is picked up for series.  :love

this sounds like an amazing show it sounds like unbreakable with  bruce willis with some different twists. personally i loved that movie and im lookin forward to this show

WOW!  Very cool news.  I'd love to see a team type superhero show sometime.  Besides the animated series I don't think we've had a real good team superhero show in basically forever.  There was an older show called "Misfits of Science" back in the 80's that gave it a shot.  Anyone remember that one?  A very young Courtney Cox was one of the stars.

jeez all you OLD  people talkin about shows that were around before i was born that isn't Star Trek STOP IT! just kidding :D

Quote from: Rico on March 04, 2006, 07:32:58 AM
WOW! Very cool news. I'd love to see a team type superhero show sometime. Besides the animated series I don't think we've had a real good team superhero show in basically forever. There was an older show called "Misfits of Science" back in the 80's that gave it a shot. Anyone remember that one? A very young Courtney Cox was one of the stars.

I love Misfits of Science.. I actually still have them recorded on Video tape somewhere.

i don't really know anything about that show. what were the characters like in it?

Misfits of Science synopsis.... Drs. Hayes and Lincoln are researchers in biological oddities for the Humanidyne company. When they find a man still alive after being frozen for 50 years, their greedy boss fires them and takes the Iceman to use for military experiments. Left without jobs, Hayes and Lincoln (who could shrink) decide to get a group of "freaks" (including a telekinetic 17-year-old (Courtney Cox) and a rock guitarist who shoots lightning from his hands) together to rescue the Iceman (Who could freeze things) and stop their boss' reckless experiments.

Here is a better Synopsis...

Semi-superhero TV show that revolved around a group of young people with superpowers who are members of an American think tank and fight crime. Members included head scientist and fast talker Dr. Billy Hayes, who worked at the Humanidyne Institute and had no powers but led his team of patients and colleagues, including:

Fellow scientist 7'4" Dr. Elvin "El" Lincoln, who hates basketball and sought a way to become normal height and developed a way to shrink to 7" for 14 minutes once/hour by injecting himself with a growth serum and tapping a nerve center in his neck;

John "Johnny B" Bukowski, a rock musician who gained freak electrical powers when he was caught in an accident with a set of amplifiers. He uncontrollably absorbed electricity and could fire it as lightning bolts or channel it into super-speed, but water caused him to short circuit, burning him with potentially fatal results and forcing him to retire as a musician;

Gloria "Glo" Dinallo, A 17 year old street delinquent, whose father was supposedly an alien, who could move anything she could see with her mind via telekinesis and was romantically interested in Johnny.

Arnold Biefneiter, aka The Iceman, a cyrogenically frozen worker from 1937 who was brought back to life and had the power to radiate extreme cold as well as an obsession with Amelia Earhart and a love of frozen candy bars (Iceman was dropped after the premiere movie).

The Misfits were aided (and sometimes hindered) by Billy's long-suffering supervisor Stetmeyer, Gloria's truancy officer (and Billy's love interest) Jane Miller, and obnoxious Humanidyne secretary Miss Nance.

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sounds pretty cool did they have mutant villains they had to face too?

Yeah, they had some mutant villains too.  Sad thing is the lead guy (Dean Martin's son) and the tall black guy died young.  I think I have just the pilot on VHS still around.

omg that picture is hilariou. i guess it just shows the crazy state of the crazy 80s. glad i wasn't around to remeber much of it.

More from the TV guide reporter Michael Ausiello

I CAN RELATE: You didn't hear? I, too, was born with unnatural abilities. All kidding aside (wink, wink), as Kring points out, "It's pretty grounded in reality. Part of what makes it really feel very real is that these people's lives should mirror your own; you should be able to see your ordinary life reflected on screen."   

IT'S ALL ONE BIG PUZZLE: And you know the deal with puzzles. "It's a big interconnected saga," says Kring. "They're all drawn together towards a destiny of saving the world." And not to OD on the Lost parallels, but Kring adds, "It's extremely serialized."

IT'S SCARY: What would an extremely serialized show about superheroes, er, ordinary people (I have to stop doing that!) be without a creepy antagonist? Heroes' big baddie is described as a "Max Von Sydow-type" whose trademark accessory is a pair of horned rimmed glasses. And although his intentions aren't made crystal clear in the pilot, one thing is certain: He wants to get his hands on some of that super DNA.

ONCE AGAIN, IT SENT A SHIVER DOWN MY SPINE: "It" being the final scene. Provided Kring doesn't tinker too much with the script â€" I can't stress enough that I read an early draft â€" the climactic sequence, as inevitable as it may seem, will make you stand up and shout, "It's my new Lost!" And the next words out of your mouth better be: "Ausiello was right!"

Wow Heroes look pretty cool. Hope the show hits the torrents fast because other wise I'd have to wait a full year to enjoy it here in Taco Land.

Still I will be reading reviews and news to see how it goes.

Thanks for the heads up!

Grunberg Has Hopes For Heroes

Greg Grunberg (Alias) told SCI FI Wire that he gets to play an Everyman superhero in Heroes, an SF drama pilot for NBC from writer Tim Kring (Crossing Jordan, Providence). "It basically really covers the humanity of becoming a superhero, what happens when [eight] ordinary people get these super powers, and I get to be one of them," Grunberg said in an interview at the Saturn Awards in Universal City, Calif., earlier this week. "I play a cop who can read people's minds, but I can't control it. So in the pilot it's really interesting how it just comes at me, and I don't know how to deal with it, and then I kind of use it. It could be really, really interesting if we get a series."

Grunberg said he's waiting to hear whether NBC will pick up the show as a series based on its two-hour pilot, which also stars Ali Larter (Final Destination) and Milo Ventimiglia (Gilmore Girls). Grunberg added that it's not your typical comic-book superhero story. "You're not going to get me in tights and a leotard," he said. "No one wants to see me in a cape!" He added: "It's high-concept, obviously. It's very creepy and dark. I mean, it's disturbing at times. And then also, it's like, 'Oh, man. I wish I could do that.'"

Grunberg, who is a childhood friend of Alias and Lost co-creator J.J. Abrams, has also made a side career out of appearing in his pal's productions, including the upcoming Mission: Impossible III, in which he has a cameo role. As for Abrams' next big movie, a proposed 11th Star Trek film, Grunberg said: "I told J.J., 'Look, if you're going to put me in five hours of makeup, I did that in Hollow Man, and it's going to be even worse with Star Trek.' [But] I hope he gives me a great role in that. I would love it." What would he like to be? "In the Federation. I'd want to do something ... really cool. I don't know. A Klingon would actually be very cool. That would be awesome, actually, now that you mention it. Yeah, I'll call him right now. [Pulls out cell phone.] Get J.J. on the horn! Klingon! That's where I'll go."

And from todays news....

According to Reuters, the Greg Grunberg-fueled superhero drama was picked up by NBC, but the network declined to note how many episodes were ordered, waiting for next week's "upfront" advertiser presentations to do so.

Heroes will be on NBC Monday nights at 9pm.. here is a better description of the show.

HEROES" -- The epic drama "Heroes" chronicles the lives of ordinary people who discover they possess extraordinary abilities. As a total eclipse casts it shadow across the globe, viewers follow a genetics professor (Sendhil Ramamurthy, "Blind Guy Driving") in India whose father's disappearance leads him to uncover a secret theory -- there are people with super powers living among us. A young dreamer (Milo Ventimiglia, "The Bedford Diaries") tries to convince his politician brother (Adrian Pasdar, "Judging Amy") that he can fly. A high school cheerleader (Hayden Panettiere, "Ice Princess") learns that she is totally indestructible. A Las Vegas stripper (Ali Larter, "Final Destination"), struggling to make ends meet to support her young son (Noah Gray-Cabey, "My Wife & Kids"), uncovers that her mirror image has a secret. A prison inmate (Leonard Roberts, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") mysteriously finds himself waking up outside of his cell. A gifted artist (Santiago Cabrera, "Empire"), whose drug addiction is destroying his life and the relationship with his girlfriend (Tawny Cypress, "Third Watch"), can paint the future. A down-on-his-luck beat cop (Greg Grunberg, "Alias") can hear people's thoughts, including the secrets of a captured terrorist. In Japan, a young man (Masi Oka, "Scrubs") develops a way to stop time through sheer will power. Their ultimate destiny is nothing less than saving the world. "Heroes" is executive produced by creator/writer Tim Kring ("Crossing Jordan), Dennis Hammer ("Crossing Jordan") and David Semel ("House"), who also directed the pilot. The drama is from NBC Universal Television Studio.

The more I read about this new TV series the more excited I am getting... here is a link to photos of the cast and a few from the pilot episode.

http://superherohype.com/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Heroes

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This show does looked wickedly cool...I know I'll be watching

Yeah and after losing three great sci fi/fantasy shows this season (Threshold, Surface and Invasion) we need so more really good sci fi and fantasy TV. I can't wait to see previews for this.  :biggrin

NBC now has a website up for it's new show Heroes... all I have to say is WOW  :jawdrop

http://www.nbc.com/NBC_First_Look/Heroes/

It's about a four minute preview.. check it out. This one is going to be AWESOME!!

i'll be watching this... sounds cool...

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on June 09, 2006, 04:51:01 PM
NBC now has a website up for it's new show Heroes... all I have to say is WOW  :jawdrop

http://www.nbc.com/NBC_First_Look/Heroes/

It's about a four minute preview.. check it out. This one is going to be AWESOME!!

Looks very good.  Glad they are treating the idea and characters seriously and not funny or campy.  Looking forward to it.  But if I start to like it and NBC cancels it like "Surface" they are going to hear loudly from me!

I'm right there with you Rico.. I hate when I start to watch new TV shows and love them then they are cancelled. But I look at it this way. At least I got to really enjoy what the showed for the time it was on. ie Firefly, Surface, Threshold, Invasion, Otherworld, John Doe, and so many other wonderful TV shows that get pulled before their time.

yeah... i like the way you are looking at it... but it still is disapointing...

The guy in the suit looks like Neil Flynn from Scrubs (aka the janitor).

Hey Guys.. well I started my new job today working on a new reality show called "Curl Girls" and guess where my office and edit bays are. Under Stage 14 at the Sunset Gower Studios, and guess what they are filming in Stage 14... the new NBC Scifi/Fantasy series Heroes. It's pretty cool.. the wardrobe and post production are next to my offices. Today I saw several of the stars of the show walking to there trailers. When I walked by one of the edit bays to get to my office I saw that they were cutting one of the episodes for Heroes. I'm looking forward to getting to know these people better.

That's very awesome Kenny!  I'm counting on some "Stealth pics" to show here soon Kenny.  ;)

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on September 11, 2006, 03:28:02 PM
and guess what they are filming in Stage 14... the new NBC Scifi/Fantasy series Heroes. It's pretty cool..

Man, that's the life.  Sounds really cool.

This is one I'm going to go ahead and check out this Fall.  I guess many of the new shows will be starting pretty quick.

Heroes Also Has Villains

Tim Kring, creator and executive producer of NBC's upcoming superhero drama Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that the show will have a season-long arc involving the hunt for a super-powered serial killer. "We are bringing in other people with super powers, and they are not necessarily heroes," Kring said in a conference-call interview on Sept. 14. "The show does introduce the concept of a major villain in the second episode, and that villain becomes a sort of a linchpin, [a] central character for most of the first season."

Greg Grunberg, who plays a Los Angeles cop with psychic abilities, also makes his debut in the second episode. His character becomes involved in the ongoing case through an FBI agent played by Clea DuVall. "He's recruited by this FBI [agent], the character that Clea plays," Grunberg said in the same interview. "They become this team, sort of like a Mulder and Scully of The X-Files. And what's great is, that this side of the storyâ€"investigating the villain and trying to figure out who he is, what his motives are, why these people are being affected and what's going onâ€"what's great is, the audience will have a lot of these questions, and my character is going to discover them and hopefully answer those questions and be the eyes of the audience."

Grunberg added that some of the characters introduced as heroes may not necessarily remain virtuous throughout the series. "Don't assume that every one of these characters is good," Grunberg said. "That's something so interesting. As actors, [co-star Masi Oka] and I have had this conversation where we're thinking, 'Are we going to be good? Are we going to realize, "Wow, these powers: They're empowering me to such a way that I can use it for evil purposes?"' I mean, we have no idea whether we're going to go good, go bad. It's just so interesting to see what somebody would do given these abilities."

According to Kring, there has been a lot of discussion in the writers' room about the hero's journey, as outlined by mythology scholar Joseph Campbell. In particular, the show will explore the themes of temptation and the duality between good and evil. "It's one of the things that we're really fascinated with, ... this idea that all of these people have free will," Kring said. "They are just like any of us. If you find yourself in a time in your life when you are desperate or destitute, and you suddenly discover that you can walk through walls. Well, then you may walk through the wall of a bank and rob it and steal money. If you are inclined to do good, and you have the ability to hear people's thoughts, then you will do good with that. And it really becomes about free will, which is also a part of the hero's journey. What do they do when they are suddenly tempted by darker forces?" Heroes premieres on Sept. 25 and will air Mondays at 9 p.m. PT/ET on NBC, with an encore later in the week on SCI FI Channel. NBC and SCI FI are owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. â€"Cindy White

The show really sounds cool. I grew up in the 80's and I don't remember the Misfits of Science. Maybe I wasn't allowed to stay up that late.  ;)
Do you guys remember "My Secret Identity"?  Back then I had a huge crush on Jerry O'Connell, which may or may not have effected my ability to determine if the show was actually good. What did you guys think of it?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094516/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094516/)

I can't wait to watch Heroes. The abilities these super heroes have are interesting.  I'm interested in seeing the "super hero artist" in action.

Hey Guys.. they are showing the pilot episode of Heroes on Yahoo TV .. here's the link http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/fall06/?d=503

or you can wait till next week... It premeires next Monday on NBC

I almost was going to watch it, but I'd rather see it on my big TV next week than a tiny window on my PC.  Looking forward to it.

Yeah I thought the same thing.. but since I already saw it on a big screen at comic con I couldn't wait to see it again and see what the cut out since the comic con was 70mins and this one was a normal episode at 44 minutes. They cut down a bunch of the scenes and took out one main character's subplot (which I had heard was moved to the second episode). Still after watching it I had chills, I hope this is a huge hit for NBC.

And just in case you don't know... if you miss it on Monday Sci Fi channel is re-airing on Fridays before there big Friday night block.

Just had to share.. they are shooting a scene from Heroes in my hallway outside my office. I see a bunch of people walking around so I go out to investigate and stop a guy who is with Heroes and he tells me that they are doing a scene that involves the FBI. Two of the main actors are involved Greg Grunberg who plays the mind reading cop Matt Parkman and the FBI agent (I don't know her name). They just finished rehearsal.. time to shoot.. they just said action.. going to go poke my head out the door.


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Did anyone watch the premeire tonight? I watched it for a third time (tonight) and it's a great beginning to what I hope is the next big hit. The previews for upcoming episodes look awesome. I can't wait!!!

I just finished watching Heroes and am completely hooked!  The character, Hiro, and his friend made some great Star Trek references!    :vulcan

Yep, it was a good start I thought.  Lots of interesting characters.  I'm wondering how they are going to pull it all together.  The only thing right now I find a bit hard to swallow is that the "dad" of one of the specials seems to be the bad guy.  Well except the cheerleader girl is adopted?  So maybe it was planned and he knows she has powers.  Loved the Japanese kid and all his TREK references.  Looking forward to the coming episodes.

I read that the creator of the show said that this won't become a JLA or X-Men type thing where everyone teams up. They said the characters lives will interact somehow but they will never become a group. It's going to be interesting to see how they accomplish this without complicating the story with too many storylines.

Yeah, I cheated and watch the show on Yahoo.   Seems like everyone is borrowing from "Lost" these days but Heros has piqued my interest.   The "wolverine" girl  ??  Man, she has issues.   The neck-pinch line was hilarious.

YA-TAAAAA everyone !!!

Watched the other night and I CANNOT WAIT for the new one.  Loved the way they left us at the end of the premiere....the painting of the mushroom cloud over NYC...awesome.  Hiro is by far my favorite character so far.

Oh and did anyone else physically cringe when the cheerleader stuck her hand in the garbage disposal...man that was.....oogy.

They have a sneak preview of the second episode on you tube.. check it out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMrdaDQMVyY

Watching it right now --- pretty cool so far.

I'm so jealous of you East Coasters... I have a few more hours :(

We gave it a try tonight.

It had some great elements in it, but I can't handle any kind of gore. 

I guess with the success of all the CSI and Cold Case and all those kinds of shows it's no surprise to see some of these types of things in this show.

I admit I was hoping it would be some kind of JLA type thing. :orc

Hey I thought that it was pretty darn good! I could have done without the gore. I guess that the bad guy is a ghoul - aren't they the ones that eat brains? or is that ZOMBIES?!? I hope that there is not going to be too much of that gory stuff, it distracts from a good story.
I really like Hiro he is pretty cool. a member of the Merry Marvel ? I did not catch the whole thing because my husband was laughing so hard.

I'M LOVING THIS SHOW!!!!! talk about an awesome ending. Can't wait for the next episode.

yeah, I have to agree.  I like the characters but I don't think the violence is necessary.   I don't know if its the CSI craze because I don't watch those shows much.    I'll watch and see where the story goes.

NBC's superhero drama Heroes, which came in with low expectations and no high-profile names attached, is shaping up as a hit for the peacock network, Variety reported.

Heroes, whose second episode this week earned a 5.5 rating in adults aged 18-49 and nearly 13 million viewers overall, saw its viewership decline just 7 percent from its strong series premiere, beating its broadcast rivals in most demographics, the trade paper reported.

No other first-year drama this fall has rated higher in the 18-49 demographic with its second episode than did Heroes. Of all NBC dramas to premiere in the past three seasons, only Medium rated higher in week two.

Heroes stars Ali Larter and an ensemble cast who portray ordinary people who discover they have unusual powers. NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.

Saw the second show and I loved it.  I think the gore/violence in this case is absolutely necessary in setting up just how evil and perverse this "Sylar" may be...but the question is:  Just who is Sylar?  Is it the cheerleader's father or does the cheerleaders father work for him?  And the heroes have about 1 month before the bomb goes off in NYC....And I was glad to see the little brother could fly too.

Quote from: markinro on October 04, 2006, 07:41:16 AM
yeah, I have to agree.  I like the characters but I don't think the violence is necessary.   I don't know if its the CSI craze because I don't watch those shows much.    I'll watch and see where the story goes.

I don't really think this show has alot of violence in it. It shows the end results of the violence but it has never shown the act of violence, which I think is a big difference. In the second episode they showed several people with the top of their heads cut off and brains missing, but we didn't see the action of cutting the head in half, which I think would be going to far. I can't say that seeing the head cut in half was not gorey but like Darth Gaos said I think it was necessary for setting up how horrible this person/thing Sylar really is. This of course is just my opinion.

Quote from: Darth Gaos on October 04, 2006, 11:10:12 AM
And I was glad to see the little brother could fly too.

Well he can fly now.. rumors are going around that his power is the power to absorb other's powers (kind of link Rogue from X-Men). Example.... He fell off that building and his brother, who can fly, flew up to him and when they both fell toward the ground,  he flew right before he hit the ground. Then he came in contact with Issac (painter who paints the future) and if you noticed in episode two Peter (younger brother) was drawing on a napkin and at the end after Peter confronts Nathan (older brother) and is actually floating they go back to the napkin and it's the same scene that we just saw. So people are speculating that he can absorb other's powers, now he can fly thanks to Nathan and draw/paint the future thanks to Issac.. not sure if he can keep them or they will disappear in time. Anyways I thought it was a cool theory and I can't wait to find out more about these characters.

VERY interesting theory.  I had not considered that but that does make a whole of sense.  I remember seeing the napkin but I did not make that connection.  The policeman has really piqued my interest too

And was it just me that wanted to punch the "other" cheerleader....the girl who is an obvious attention whore who is jealous of....is her name Claire?

Quote from: Darth Gaos on October 04, 2006, 01:05:01 PM
And was it just me that wanted to punch the "other" cheerleader....the girl who is an obvious attention whore who is jealous of....is her name Claire?

Yeah her name is Claire.. but I didn't hate the other cheerleader because I think Claire doesn't want to be in the spotlight so she was fine with it.. of course.. that was until the other girl got all this praise and semi-fame. Claire is still not too happy with her powers.. which I can't understand.. I'd be telling everyone I knew if I had her powers.

I understand that Claire didn't mind I just meant that I cannot stand people like that other cheerleader....One who has to be the center of the known universe....

Oh yeah.. attention seekers.

BURBANK - October 5, 2006 - NBC has given a full-season order for 2006-07 to "Heroes" (Mondays, 9-10 p.m. ET) - the critically acclaimed and #1 new series this Fall in adults 18-49 (tied with ABC's "Brothers & Sisters") -- it was announced today by Kevin Reilly, President, NBC Entertainment.

"'Heroes' has delivered exceptional ratings since it's premiere and we're even more impressed with the quality of the upcoming episodes," said Reilly. "We have complete confidence in creator-executive producer Tim Kring. The best is yet to come over the course of a full season with this newest drama sensation."

"Heroes" is averaging a 5.7 rating, 14 share in adults 18-49 and 13.5 million viewers overall, making it the #1 new series this Fall in adults 18-49, tied with ABC's "Brothers & Sisters." "Heroes" is the #1 show in its competitive Monday 9-10 p.m. (ET) slot in adults 18-49, generating a 43 percent increase on NBC's non-sports average for the time period last season.

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The first breakout new series of the season, NBC's drama "Heroes," has become the first freshman show to receive a full-season order.

NBC has ordered nine additional episodes of the supernatural saga, bringing its complement to 22. In its first two airings, "Heroes" has averaged 13.5 million viewers

This is from a Heroes website that I'm a member of. It explains most of the characters powers ( SPOLIERS)

Thanks to forum member ncmacasl, whose TV Guide (October 9-15th edition) landed in his mailbox with a listing of all the “Heroes” powers as revealed by the man himself, Tim Kring. So who has what power, and what will they do with it? Read on…

Niki Sanders (Ali Larter):

Niki’s power is still unclear - both to her and the audience - but it appears the single mom/stripper has a split personality. Says executive producer Tim Kring, “Her journey is about figuring out how to unify this other side of her and ultimately to control it.”

Nathan Petrelli (Adrian Pasdar):

The would-be congressman has the power of flight - and he’s not happy about it. “A guy running for office is really under a microscope,” Kring says. “Nathan doesn’t want [to be seen as] strange and unappealing.”

Peter Petrelli (Milo Ventimiglia):

Nathan’s younger brother, a disillusioned nurse, will learn - SPOILER ALERT - that he has the ability to absorb other people’s powers. But beware, Kring says: “He will be tempted whether to use it for good or evil.”

Mohinder Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy):

Picking up where his murdered dad left off, the genetics professor is trying to prove that superheroes really exist. “He’s on a journey to discover what his father knew and why he died for knowing it,” Kring says.

Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka):

After discovering he can bend the space-time continuum - and teleport himself across the world - the Japanese office worker couldn’t be happier. “It’s no coincidence that we named him Hiro,” Kring says. “He truly is on a hero’s quest.”

Claire Bennet (Hayden Panettiere):

The Texas cheerleader is indestructible, but “like any teenager, the last thing she wants is to be different from everybody,” Kring says. Tune in October 9 to see just how tough she really is.

Matt Parkman (Greg Grunberg):

A lowly L.A. Cop, Matt is slowly learning that he has telepathic powers. “It’s both a blessing and a curse,” says Kring. “He hears what he wants to, but also what other people really think of him.” The FBI will enlist his help in tracking the mysterious serial killer Sylar.

Micah Sanders (Noah Gray-Cabey):

Micah inherited more than good looks from mom Niki and super-powered dad (introduced in Episode 5). Kring says Micah’s special ability is “something very different than either of his parents.”

Isaac Mendez (Santiago Cabrera):

The tortured artist predicts the future when he paints in a heroin-induced haze. “Early in the season, he’s trying to figure out if these powers exist when he isn’t high,” Kring says.

Simone Deveaux (Tawny Cypress):

[Special Power:] None. “You can’t have an entire show where everybody has a power,” says Kring. “She’s a very important character because she’s the voice of the average person saying, ‘this is crazy. This isn’t real!’ ”

Did you guys notice that the symbol on Suresh's map was popping up in a bunch of the scenes (eg paintings, pool, etc.).  I erased the 1st episode off my TiVo, so I can't go back and check to see if it is in every scene.  I'm hoping the more observant of you will be able to let me know if it is.

Warning -- minor spoilers on last nights show...




Was that symbol only in the pilot ?  I'll look through last nights show.  The ending was pretty freaky (can't remember the last time I used that word).

Liking the look of this new show. Only problem is, my sky+ box is going to be more full than ever, oh well, if its an intelligent series then thats cool.

Quote from: markinro on October 10, 2006, 09:39:21 AM

Was that symbol only in the pilot ?  I'll look through last nights show.  The ending was pretty freaky (can't remember the last time I used that word).

I got this from a Heroes forum in Episode three the symbol showed up

Twice on Papa Suresh's books,
On Clairs Math Book
Twice on the computer
and around the black guys neck

I only caught it on the collar of the black guy at the end.

Episode 3 was another great episode. The story is moving along nicely. Still alot of mysteries and not many answers but it is only the third episode. Hiro is still my favorite character... his power is so cool. And of course the shocking ending... loved it.

Man I love my job sometimes... the past few weeks they have been building a small town city street between two of the stages. I think it's for Claire's story because there are Odessa cop cars around. Sometimes I have to walk between the stages to get to my office and yesterday when I was walking by I passed Hayden Panettiere who plays Claire, she was in her cheerleaders outfit. She's very pretty and tiny in person. She was fixing her skirt and almost bumped into me, she looked up just in time to miss me.. she gave me a smile and continued to walk pass... and today I just saw Milo Ventimiglia - Peter and Adrian Pasdar - Nathan walking out of there trailer rehearsing lines.. it's very surreal seeing these people that you see every week on your favorite new TV show. I wish I wasn't so professional and could ask for an autograph or picture.. but that wouldn't not go over well here. Oh well I'll continue to admire from afar.


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Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on October 10, 2006, 10:09:40 AM
I got this from a Heroes forum in Episode three the symbol showed up

Twice on Papa Suresh's books,
On Clairs Math Book
Twice on the computer
and around the black guys neck

Okay, those are the ones I saw, too.  It's a good thing we have TiVo, because I kept shouting, "Did you see that?!"  My husband missed the first few so we had to rewind to check it out; now he is looking for the symbol, too.

That's great that you get to see the actors and sets.  I wonder how long they are going to keep that poor girl in the cheerleading outfit.  I teach in a high school and our cheerleaders wouldn't be caught dead (pun!) in their uniforms every day!

I'll weigh in on the violence issue, too.  I wouldn't call the show excessively violent, but some of the images are rather disturbing.  The final scene of the last episode really caught me off guard.  Now, if we had seen that happen...that would be crossing a line.  I think it is important, because it--along with the foreseen destruction of NY--gives the situation a sense of urgency.  The characters have to figure out what is happening to them because their lives and the lives of many others depend on it. 

I also like that the plot is unfolding in bits and pieces.  Although we do know more than most of the characters, there is enough mystery that we end up feeling a bit of the anxiety and confusion that they feel.  I think that is a great bit of storytelling.  Hiro’s character development is fantastic.  I love that a Star Trek fan is the first one to truly embrace his new powers with excitement and without fear!

This is a new article I just read.. may contain slight spoilers.....

The TV addict recently had the opportunity to discuss NBC’s fall hit HEROES with creator and executive producer TIM KRING. Not having the unique ability to read Tim’s mind, this TV addict actually had to ask questions verbally (damn my lack of superpowers!). So here it goes, a conversation with the mastermind behind HEROES.

Congratulations on officially being picked up for a full season. Now that the show is guaranteed to run for twenty-two episodes, has this changed anything in terms of the HEROES story-line?

Tim Kring: Obviously it is a lot more fun and comfortable to be working in an environment where you’re a hit and have a full season to stretch your wings. But the truth is, that we’re so many episodes ahead of where the audience is, it just feels like the same challenges every single day.

With the pick-up official, how many seasons does the HEROES story go?

Tim Kring: We have a general idea of where the story is going for a few years. HEROES is the kind of thing that can keep spinning and spinning. There is not an island to get off of or a time frame where the world ends.

We have the entire story-line plotted out for season one. In terms of season two, we have a framework, but nothing specific. The pilot introduced a prophecy which will take the entire season to unravel. At the end of season one, there will be a resolution to the pilot’s prophecy. Season two will deal with an entirely new issue.

Speaking of the pilot, there were some significant differences between the pilot that was previewed at the San Diego Comic Con and the episode that premiered on NBC. Can you discuss why there were some changes, specifically with Greg Grunberg’s (Matt Parker) and Santiago Cabrera’s (Issac Mendez) story-lines.

Tim Kring: With Santiago’s story, we wanted to condense the pilot. In the original version, Santiago’s character cut off his hands. But as we were thinking about it, we didn’t want to have a lead character dealing with a medical issue that major. So we changed it to a drug overdose.

In terms of Greg’s character, Matt Parker was originally introduced through a terrorism subplot [Greg was a cop who discovered the terrorists hiding in the basement of a house]. That subplot isn’t coming back, as we wanted to shy away from the whole issue of terrorism.

How did you feel about the pilot being leaked on the internet several months ago?

Tim Kring: These days, things sort of crop up on the net no matter how hard you try to keep check on them. The truth is, in the end, it helped us create tremendous buzz for the show before it aired. Ultimately, it helped us get viewers.

One of the things that has really struck a cord with the audience, especially women, is the strong female character that Ali Larter (Nikki) is playing? There is a lot of debate as to what her powers are. Can you comment on that?

Tim Kring: It’s safe to assume that her powers are somewhat similar to that of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, or the Hulk. We’re leaving the door very open though.

How did you choose the particular powers portrayed on the show?

Tim Kring: I tried to keep the powers related to what the character’s personality or particular need was. In Ali’s case, the character of Nikki was stretched as thin as she could. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have her character be able to be in two places at once?

Could Peter Petrelli (Milo Ventimiglia) have more then one power?

Tim Kring: Peter may have multiple powers. By proximity to his brother (Nathan), he was able to fly. When he was near Issac, he had the ability to draw the future. It’s fair to say Peter could have more then one power.

The powers are intended to be confusing, as we’re following it through the characters point of view. Nikki’s character is the one character who’s discovering this in the most confusing way. So we’re asking the audience to sort of buy in the conceit that it’s going to be a road of discovery throughout the next couple of episodes. By episode five or six, things should be more clear.

Powers are just powers, it’s what you do with them that defines your circumstances. Depending on the character’s personality, the powers may be used for good or evil. Some of our Heroes will be tempted by the dark side.

Speaking of the dark side, is Sylar a villain HEROES will be following all season long?

Tim Kring: On a show called HEROES, you need a villain, and it’s safe to assume that Sylar has been presented as the season’s major villain. The bodies with heads cut off are not coincidences. There is a method to Sylar’s ‘madness’, and he does present a genuine threat to our Heroes.

Are Sylar and Claire’s father connected?

Tim Kring: There is a connection between the two, which will become clear in later episodes.

In this week’s episode, Claire Bennet presumably died until the wood was removed from her head. Was she indeed dead?

Tim King: It’s safe to assume that whatever power Claire has, eminates from the brain (turned on and off by a switch). There is a clue there as to why the major villain of the show is interested in brains.

Claire’s cliffhanger was jaw-dropping. Will every episode end with a cliffhanger?

Tim Kring: Cliffhangers will pretty much be standard at the end of each episode. With so many story-lines, it allows you to find a moment at the end of each episode that leaves viewers hanging. Some will obviously be more jaw-dropping then others, but we’re committed to keeping the idea alive.

In terms of the show’s structure, will we continue seeing seven or eight separate stories per episode?

Tim Kring: The pilot, and the first few episodes were structured to introduce all of our character’s stories. As we continue to learn more about these characters and invest in them more, we start to narrow our focus. Certain characters will being to cross paths, so we no longer have to tell eight stories, we can tell two or three. 

Tim Kring, creator and executive producer of NBC's hit series Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that audiences can expect the show's superpowered characters to start joining forces and working as a team in upcoming episodes. "As their destiny starts to sort of become intermingled with one another, yes, they have to form this sort of alliance with one another," Kring said in a conference call with journalists on Oct. 11. "And then, in a sense, join with each other in order to figure out what's going on. Every character has sort of a tiny piece of the puzzle. So the puzzle gets put together by the characters coming together."

Rather than continuing to focus on the individual storylines of the large cast of characters, Kring said that Heroes will gradually integrate the threads into a single overarching story. "If you sort of look at it as kind of a funnel, it starts wide and starts to narrow," he said. "As these characters start to cross paths, you no longer have to tell eight stories. You can tell four stories or three stories. So there is a natural progression that's allowing us to tell less and less scattered stories."

Kring confirmed that the heroes will find a common enemy in the mysterious serial killer known as Sylar, who Kring called the "major villain" of the first season. Though the identity of Sylar hasn't been revealed, he may be someone that viewers have already met. "We're going to leave some of the answers to that vague, because I really want the audience to be surprised when we do introduce the character." Kring said. "I know there is speculation that the character is somebody that is among the characters already, and I'm comfortable with that speculation. And I kind of don't want to give it away." Heroes airs Mondays at 9 p.m. PT/ET. NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. â€"Cindy White

Another awesome episode.. the story is unfolding nicely and is getting more complicated as it goes. I loved Niki in the elevator, and Claire's story was really good. And the final scene with Hiro and Peter... WOW.... "Save the Cheerleader... Save the World"

What did everyone else think?

The "Save the Cheerleader... Save the World" line was a bit cheesy, but it did lead to a good discussion with my husband.  I think Claire is going to hold the answers because she will be the only one able to stop her "father."  The symbol on "Niki's" back freaked me out a little bit; I want to see if it is still there when she reverts back to herself.  Did you notice that they changed the photo of the actor playing the dead prof. on the back of the book?  I LOVE the Hiro of the future!!!  I can't wait to see how he becomes that person! 

I'm bummed that they didn't go back to Matt  :police -- I was hoping he would fight back.   Maybe next week.

This show is so awesome...I could go on and on. 

Quote from: Chrystabel on October 16, 2006, 11:43:44 PM
The "Save the Cheerleader... Save the World" line was a bit cheesy, but it did lead to a good discussion with my husband.  I think Claire is going to hold the answers because she will be the only one able to stop her "father."  The symbol on "Niki's" back freaked me out a little bit; I want to see if it is still there when she reverts back to herself.  Did you notice that they changed the photo of the actor playing the dead prof. on the back of the book?  I LOVE the Hiro of the future!!!  I can't wait to see how he becomes that person! 

I'm bummed that they didn't go back to Matt  :police -- I was hoping he would fight back.   Maybe next week.

This show is so awesome...I could go on and on. 

I actually liked that line.. gave me chills.  :biggrin

And yes I did notice that they changed the picture on the back of the book. Not only did they change the picture but the actor as well. Wonder what was up with that.

Did you notice the symbol anywhere else other than 'bad' Niki's back? I didn't but I plan on watching it again tomorrow to catch more things. Oh and did you notice the mysterious black guy kiss his symbol necklace like it was a cross or something... very interesting.

Wow - you guys noticed things I missed.  Since Hiro can travel in time, it's logical to assume he could end up meeting the dead prof. sometime.  Some of what is going on is a bit cliche but I'm still really liking it.  It's one of the closest live action "comic book" shows that I have ever seen on TV.  I love Hiro and his friend in the casino talking about Peter Parker to justify gambling using Hiro's power.  And seeing Hiro from the future - very cool!  Looking forward to seeing how this all unfolds.

Check out the handle of future Hiro's sword... see the symbol. I love when a show takes the time to put these details into it.

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Here is a picture of the two different book covers with the two different pictures.. there is a bunch of buzz going round the net about this but nothing concrete.. I think it's simple they replaced the actor and the footage on the "previously on" was cut prior to the change and they missed it and it had the old actor on the book and not the new actor. I think it was just a mistake.

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Heroes makes the cover of next weeks TV Guide.. not bad for a show that's only aired four times.

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The actor on the cover in "One Giant Leap" is Erick Avari.  Avari has shown up on a number of sci-fi shows, including Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Enterprise, and Stargate SG-1 (reprising his role from the movie).

I haven't a clue regarding the identity of the other actor.  Sorry.

Well Erick Avari is the one I see walking about the lot here.. so I assume he is Dr. Surresh. If you go to IMDB he is credited with four upcoming episodes.

The show is, so far, a pleasant suprise. With the sucess of LOST, serial mystery pseudoscifi shows have beeen popping up a lot. Last year it was Threashold, Surface and Invasion.  This year its Heroes, Jericho and The 9.

After the very dissapointing performance both quality and ratings wise of last years trio of lost clones I was not willing to let myself get my hopes up this year, but I have never been so happy to be wrong in years.

Jericho is fine, if a little slow, but Heroes is just amazing, I have been thrilled with every episode so far. I know a lot of people are complaining that the pace of the show is too slow, but this is a full season story arc so we have time to really get to know our characters and there are a lot of characters to get to know so I think the slower pace will be a good thing in the long term.

I was a bit annoyed with the cheerleader characters whinny attitude about her powers at first, but the more we get to know her ( and the more I contrast that with my own 15 year old stepdaughters issues ) I can see how important staying in her crowd and keeping her accustomed place would be to a girl who has worked so hard to reach a status of plopularity and membership in the "in crowd".  No matter what the fringe benifits are, she would do anything to avoid becoming a "freak" and thus loosing her position in her chosen crowd.

Still her characters struggle makes Hiro's enthusiasic acceptance of his powers and destiny all that more refreshing and entertaining.  Hiro is so much the unashamed ubergeek that seeing this through his eyes is just a joy. 

And Hiro from the future is just too damn cool for words!

I could go on for hours, but im at work ;-) so i better cool it for now

I'm enjoying it.  Oh and welcome bigtmac!

THAT WAS THE COOLEST EPIOSODE I HAVE EVERY SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!

GO HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT!!

http://www.myextralife.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=10011

All I have to say is WOW... This series continues to blow my mind. Nathan flying was AWESOME. Hiro talking to Nathan.. too funny. Issac and Peter teaming up to Save the Cheerleader, Save the World. And we finally get to see DL. And then the previews for next week.. Niki throwing DL across the room. She has some super powers beside the dual personality. I can't wait to watch this episode again and again. And 7 days seems sooooooooo far away.

Was very cool.  I loved Nathan trying to land and burning his feet a bit.  This series is moving along.  I think the cheerleader's dad is a definite bad guy now.  Next week's looks good too.

More Behind the Scenes stuff. I watched Chapter Five again this morning and noticed that when HGR guy and Mind Altering Black guy were dragging Nathan in the parking area and then he flies off.. that's the parking structure on the lot I work.. that's where we all park. They have closed it down several times in the past few month for shooting.. at the time I didn't know for what show. Also when Hiro and Ando are in the parking lot of the "Casino" again that inside the same parking structure... it's very cool. Then the cafe on the outskirts of Las Vegas was actually build in a parking lot on the studio lot. I watched them build that months ago and again didn't have a clue for what show. Anyways I thought I would share.

Okay you smug people. We better get this show over here or I'm really going to be upset. I feel I'm missing out on something special. Certainly missing out on being able to comment on the show, I don't even read the existing comments,it's just that every time I log on to the forum, it shows as having new posts on the show. Also I'm looking forward to BSG season three. This is certainly one of the best Sci-Fi shows currently on TV, its also another topic I can't join in on because you guys get it long before we do >:( P.S. Anyone seen Torchwood?

Looks like Horned Rimmed Glasses guy is sticking around for a while...

Variety is reporting that actor Jack Coleman, the cheerleader Claire Bennett’s uber-weird, horned-glasses clad father, has been tapped to be a series-regular beginning with the 11th episode.

This is good news because this character has already become a focal point of fear for those with special abilities, and we know that he has at least one worker of the unbelievable already working with him…the mysterious man who can wipe one’s mind totally clean of all memories. The big question remains - who is the man behind those horn-rimmed glasses? Is he solo or with an organization? And, what, if any, powers might he have?

I just read this on EOnline.com and the Watch with Kristen section. It contains minor spoliers.. so beware.

I have a message for you. This show rocks.

Just to make sure we’re all on the same Heroes-loving page, allow me to share what we learned from tonight’s fantastic fifth episode. (I’m gonna get a wee bit spoilery, so beware.)

1. Future Hiro teleported from the future to the present with a message for Peter and asked Peter to pass that message along to Here-and-Now Hiro. That message, of course, was "save the cheerleader, save the world." I find it fascinating for many reasons, but the primary one is potentially so spoilery, I must post it at the very end. 

2. Nathan can fly! And he’s also wholeheartedly smitten with Niki’s alter ego. Mrs. Petrelli (Rena Sofer) is gonna be so pissed.

3. D.L. (Micah’s father and Niki’s husband) is back in the picture and can alter matter. (And by the way, as you can now see for yourself, he is not the same person as the mind-eraser guy, as some of you had guessed.) Dad. L.’s power will make it pretty dang hard for Micah and Niki to escape, but something tells me he's not as evil as he seems.

4. Ditto on Horn Rimmed Glasses (aka Claire’s dad) on the not-so-evilness. (Stay tuned for more on that.)

5. Somebody needs to hook up Milo Ventimiglia (Peter Petrelli) with the number for 1-800-Contacts! Sorry, but the special effects of his weird, glowy eyes made me giggle. Still, I dug the twist that Peter completed the picture of what would happen to the cheerleader. And I can tell you the massive, shadowy figure in it is indeed Sylar. And speaking of…

BIG, SPOILERY THEORY: Read only if you want to know

Just a little something to get you thinkingâ€"and realizing how good this show is gonna be. Okay, you know how it’s clear now that Peter can "borrow" other heroes’ powers when he’s around them? Well, what if the Big Bad could do the same but in a different manner? And what if the Big Bad somehow managed to get the power of "the cheerleader"? That would be a pretty bad day for Peter, would it not? Not to mention the entire world.

I know. I just blew your mind wide open, right?

QuoteJust a little something to get you thinkingâ€"and realizing how good this show is gonna be. Okay, you know how it’s clear now that Peter can "borrow" other heroes’ powers when he’s around them? Well, what if the Big Bad could do the same but in a different manner? And what if the Big Bad somehow managed to get the power of "the cheerleader"? That would be a pretty bad day for Peter, would it not? Not to mention the entire world.

actually I think he allready has some form of it. Remember when the cop unloaded half a mag of 9mm into his chest he fell, but recovered almost imediately. So he does not have "superman" style invulnerablity, but does have some quick recovery capability. He also has some form of flight, and telekenesis ability ( putting the female cops gun to her head, implanting the guard cop and chair into the roof, impaling all his victems with various household items without any sign of anything being touched ect...)

My current personal theory is that Syler is kind of the genesis subject of the professor and that he used his early contact with him to learn the professors method of finding the (for lack of a better word) mutants, killing them and through some means (probably having to do with the brain given the missing brain when hero finds the painter dead in the future) , absorbing thier powers permanently.

so not only does he have numerous powers but with each kill he grows stronger and more unpredictable.

If im even half right, he makes one hellofa supervillian!!!

Interesting ideas guys.  One mark of a good show is if it gets people talking.  And I'd say this show has hit that target well.  Can't wait to see what happens next.

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actually I think he allready has some form of it. Remember when the cop unloaded half a mag of 9mm into his chest he fell, but recovered almost imediately. So he does not have "superman" style invulnerablity, but does have some quick recovery capability. He also has some form of flight, and telekenesis ability ( putting the female cops gun to her head, implanting the guard cop and chair into the roof, impaling all his victems with various household items without any sign of anything being touched ect...)

If im even half right, he makes one hellofa supervillian!!!

I like your theory... but do we know for sure that the bullets even touched him. We know Sylar has telekinesis powers what if he stopped the bullets before they hit him. I know he fell to the floor as he was shoot but he could have done that for show so the cop would assume he killed him. I'll have to go back and watch that episode again. I like the idea of Sylar going after Claire to gain her regeneration power if he had her power it would be tough to defeat him.

Awesome episode.  I am beginning to questions "evil-Dad's" evilness.  It just does not add up that he is evil to me....nothing I can really put my finger on but...

Did anyone notice that the casino that Hiro and his buddy were thrown out of was the Montecito?  For any who do not know, the Montecito is the fictional casino in the NBC show Las Vegas...just though that was funny.

Oh and how far in the future did "future-Hiro" jump from?  He has a sword, speaks near perfect English and says he did not recognize Peter "without the scar"..

Man I love this show

Hey Guys.. here is a promo for what's coming up on Heroes. They don't show much but they do show stuff that we haven't seen yet... IT'S AWESOME!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL0lpjqEqDg&mode=user&search=

I like the idea of sylar tracking clair for her regeneration ability and its possible that sylars telekenesis could have protected him from the bullets, and perhaps he fell down as he reached his limit?  kind of weak i know, but its marginaly plausible.

as for HRG (horn rimmed glasses) the evil?Dad, I think he is less evil than simiply sociopathic. He has a goal he belives in and will do anything to anyone to accomplish that goal. We dont know what that goal is yet, and that is what will determine if he is an antagonist to the heroes or not in the end.

Now that we know he has support in new york with the little next door neighbor girl, plus the mysterious black guy, it looks more and more like he is part of or the originator of some kind of genetic reasearch organization

Finally I loved the reveal with nikki, her alter ego, and DL.  We know what bad nikki has been doing and we have a small hint as to her power, seems to be super strength and animal ferocity in protection of her child.  No fair of DL to reach into her chest and squeeze her heart. Very interested to see what bad nikki does to get her son back. SCARY  ;)

Another cool episode last night. I agree with several people here that I'm not convinced that HRG (Claire's Dad) is evil. I'm not saying he is good but I don't think he is evil, at least not yet. He looked very scared when Eden told him about the Save the Cheerleader. And speaking of Eden... I knew from the start that she was someone working for HRG.

I continue to enjoy the subtle way of bringing the characters together. Example when Hiro and Ando were playing cards and went to the bathroom just in time to hear the guy getting ripped apart by dark Nikki (one of the producers has call her alt. personality Jessica, but they haven't mentioned her name on the show yet.). And from the previews looks like DL and Micha will be hooking up with Hiro and Ando.

And speaking of DL.. l really like the introduction of his character. We were lead to believe that he was this murder and come to find out that Dark Nikki did it (which I kind of figured) but that DL was a loving father and husband and was just a thief not a murderer. And WOW Dark Nikki has some major strength, she's very animalistic as Bigt said. DL's power was pretty cool too, being able to squeeze someone heart comes in handy.

All in all a rather slower episode with not too many storylines but this episode gave us quite a few answers. Can't wait for next week.

NBC Press Release:

CAST OF NBC’S “HEROES” HOSTS ONLINE CHARITY ART AUCTION ON NOVEMBER 6-27 TO BENEFIT GREG GRUNBERG’S PEDIATRIC EPILEPSY PROJECT

ALSO BID ON AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION TIM SALE “HEROES” PROMOTIONAL ITEM

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Hey Guys.. there are big Heroes articles in both TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly, this week. Here is a snippit from the Entertainment Weekly article about the on going theories about Heroes.

THEORY #1 The current, official operating idea is this: In times of profound global crisis, forces of nature produce new kinds of people that can deal with the world’s problems.

YES OR NO? ‘’We reserve the right to change this theory as we go along,'’ says creator Tim Kring, suggesting that scientific or maybe even extraterrestrial intervention is possible.

THEORY #2 Niki is triple-timing as serial killer Sylar.

YES OR NO? It’s a popular notion among fans, but as Ali Larter points out: ‘’I don’t even think of her as having powers.'’ Nonetheless, Kring calls the Sylar-Niki connection ‘’very viable.'’ The Nov. 27 episode, which reveals the roots of Niki’s schizoid nature, will settle the matter.

THEORY #3 Horn Rimmed Glasses doesn’t want to stop human evolution â€" he’s just trying to slow it down so the heroes can grow into their mutantdom.

YES OR NO? ‘’Interesting,'’ is all Kring will say. Whatever his plan, you’ll see H.R.G. ‘’get stressed out'’ during sweeps, says Jack Coleman. ‘’He’s trying to put out 100 fires at once.'’

THEORY #4 Hiro changes the future just by racing through time. But if that’s the case, hasn’t he already saved New York from disaster, per The Butterfly Effect?

YES OR NO? We’ll find out this month when Hiro’s rules of time travel are explained. And Future Hiro’s sword? ‘’It becomes a major part of the show,'’ says Kring.

THEORY #5 Niki’s son, Micah (Noah Gray-Cabey), is creating the entire world in his head. There’s also the contention that an unseen comic-book writer is behind the action.

YES OR NO? Kring swears there are no ‘’It’s all in a snow globe'’ moments in store. As for Micah, Larter says he has powers, she knows what they are, and she ain’t telling.

Yeah, I just read the "Entertainment Weekly" article.  Interesting stuff.  Theory one makes the most sense.  It also mentions how the actor playing Hiro used to work at ILM for Lucas and has a very high IQ.  Neat stuff!

Really liked this week's show (11/13).  And next week - oh my god!  Don't miss it!

This show continues to  amaze me. Loved this episode.. only Heroes can have an episode that not much really happens but so much is said. Next weeks episode is going to ROCK!!! We finally get to know why if they Save the Cheerleader, they Save the World.

I think Hiro went back too far in the past and ended up getting to know the girl more, going to her birthday, etc. And maybe he had to stay put since he wants to make sure she doesn't go into work on the day she is killed. The dad character is interesting still, not quite sure if he is telling the whole truth. Does the girl working with him have a power to influence others? She whispered to the painter and then he took the drugs and started painting. Does she have some kind of "Jedi Mind" trick power? Next week's show looks great!

yeah I agree Rico.. I think Hiro went to far back and now has to catch with Ando in the current time. I just wonder how far back he went.. few days, few weeks or few months. Yeah HRG guy seems more like a good guy then bad, the commercials keep saying he's bad but I don't believe it. I still think he works for a secret government agency that is mapping out and testing our Heroes. I thought all this stuff started six months ago but it seems there have been other "Heroes" around for quite some time. HGR guy mentioned that there was a "special" girl under his care 14 years ago who died and had a daughter (Clarie). Yes Eden does have the power to influence, but it seems she doesn't like using it. Does Mohindo have a power? What was up with his dreaming things he wasn't there originally able to see. This series is so AWESOME. And of course the be battle next week... can't wait.

Yeah, I think Mohinder can do some kind of dream walk thing now.  Those dreams were way to vivid and real to be just the normal kind.

The NBC peacock has got to be fluttering its feathers in all their grandeur after the Nielsens came out on Tuesday. For the first time, in a very long time, the network that once owned television with hits like Johnny Carson’s the “Tonight Show,” “Cosby” and “Seinfeld” has a new show that is a ratings gobler.

The new SF series “Heroes” set a new series high, with 15.01 million viewers making it a real competitor by coming within a scant million viewers of ABC’s comedy king of the Monday night hill “Two and a Half Men,” starring Charlie Sheen and Jon Cryer.

Since “Heroes” first aired its pilot episode the show has consistently rated 14-plus million viewers every Monday night, making this past Monday’s episode the highest rated so far for the series about people scattered across the planet that have mysteriously evolved certain special abilities and the super-villain that is out to destroy them all.

QuoteI think Hiro went back too far in the past and ended up getting to know the girl more, going to her birthday, etc. And maybe he had to stay put since he wants to make sure she doesn't go into work on the day she is killed. The dad character is interesting still, not quite sure if he is telling the whole truth. Does the girl working with him have a power to influence others? She whispered to the painter and then he took the drugs and started painting. Does she have some kind of "Jedi Mind" trick power? Next week's show looks great!

The current concensus on the Heros boards is that Hiro went back 6 months to the readheads birthday, and that is where he learns english and begins his transformation into "future hiro" once he realizes that he can not save the girl. ( note the unhappy look on his face in the birthday photo )

We know Hiro is back for the homecoming since one of the paintings shows him and ando back together looking at the homecoming sighn that claire was painting on her living room floor.

We know that peter shows up there as well. Both from the paintings and from the preview.

Eve ( HRG's female assistant) does have the power of suggestion, there have been several hints dropped by her and HRG ( and someone found a reference to it in future episode summary that was leaked )

As far as HRG himself, we know he is motivated by protecting claire, and that he has been doing this for at least as long as claire has been alive. His level of resources and his origional motivation is still up in the air, and even the actor in a recent interview hints that he will be somtehing of an antagonist for the heroes. Still we know he wants syler as bad as everyone else does. So he may be the kind of character that both helps and hinders the protagonist characters.

all together just cant wait for next week, this show just keeps getting better!!!!

Oh, and Rico- Love the podcast brother, as a 37 year old father of 3, and hardcore trekker since I was 6, your podcast really speaks to me.

Thanks for sharing with all of us!!!

Yeah, go on guys, rub it in, I don't even know if we will get it over here yet. Kenny? :biggrin

"George Takei (Sulu) will play time-traveler Hiro's father on NBC's hit series Heroes.

E! Online has reported that Takei will play the father of Hiro Nakamura, the young Japanese Star Trek fan who
can move through time and space using only his will.

"This is absolutely brilliant," said Masi Oka, who plays the enthusiastic young time traveler bent on
saving the world. "Hiro's father is this big honcho who shows up in America with his bodyguard. He has
this whole elaborate scheme to...take him back to Japan."

"I just hope I get to say, 'Dad! Sulu is my hero, not you!'" added Oka. "The sci-fi fans would love it!"

Last Monday, E! Online's Kristin Veitch said that a face familiar to genre fans would be joining Heroes,
where the ninth Doctor Who, Christopher Eccleston, will be be joining the cast as well.

The 69-year-old Takei will first appear in the January 29th cliffhanger episode.

Great news.  All these good new actors.  :

My wife and I have been watching this and have really been enjoying it

Awesome news Kenny!  Thanks for the info.

If you’ve wanted another chance to jump on the “Heroes” train from the beginning, your chance is now.
SciFi Channel will be running a marathon of the first six episodes this Wednesday, November 29, starting at 6pm Eastern.

This is from next weeks issue of TV Guide.

Claude, an invisible man played by British actor Christopher Eccleston (Doctor Who), appears January 22. "He's been living with his invisibility for many years and has come to grips with it, so he'll give us a different view into this hero world," [Heroes creator Tim] Kring explains. "He's big, imposing and charismatic, and will become a mentor to Peter - albeit a tough, reluctant and stern one. He'll help Peter learn to use and control his powers."

Hooray. I have just found out that the Sci-Fi channel will be showing Heroes over here in January. Yippee, can't wait.  :laugh:

Just watched the second to last episode for the year last night and I must say....WOW...this show just keeps getting better and better.  Mondays eppisode showed me two things: 1) We can put to rest the "Nikki is Sylar" theory and 2) Sylar is a grade A PSYCHOPATH.....wow is he deranged.

Awesome show.....the 2 month break is gonna hurt......

Two months ????   What -- nobody wants to go up against 24 ??   Hey, watched the last show before the break last night.   Hiro of course, was great.   They need to do a recap hour when the show comes back.   Even though I watch the show each week, it is getting hard to keep track of it all.   Great cliffhanger.   I say these kind of shows should be shown back-to-back.  I can wait until after the superbowl instead of trying to remember what happened two months.   Hey, I'm an old man -- memory goes first and then :( everything else. :))

Yes...excellent way to "end" the fall part of the season.  I hope the show sticks around long enough for Hiro to fight the dinosaur....I REALLY wanna see how that even happens.

Check it out.. a new Promo for the coming second part of the season... I just have one word... AWESOME!!!!!!!!

http://video.nbc.com/player.html?dlid=49371

Just a quick note to let you know I'll be joining in the discussion pretty soon.  I've kinda been listening to the Heroes talk on the podcasts with one ear closed and avoiding these threads here on purpose, but I've spent the past few days watching the first half of season one streamed from NBC's website.  What a great idea to make this show available to anyone that wants to get caught up.  The connection sometimes drops out but never for more than a few seconds at a time.  I'm totally hooked though, love the show.

Cool Joby.  Glad you're getting caught up!  It's a great show.

Hey Joby... so glad you caught up on this awesome series.

Here is the offical release for the rest of the season.

11 episodes already done, seven more episodes begin airing Jan. 22, then after a five-week break, the remaining five episodes will close out the season. That’s right: 23 in totalâ€"NBC was so high on the show they ordered an extra episode.

Masi Oka, who stars as Hiro Nakamura on Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that his character will find love and a sword in future episodes. "Let's put it this way, I heard from [series creator] Tim [Kring] somewhere down the lineâ€"I'm not gonna say whenâ€"somewhere down the line there will be another love interest with Hiro," Oka said in a conference call with journalists on Jan. 3. "From what I understand it's gonna be a new character. But who knows? You never know what's gonna happen in the minds of the writers."

In the last few episodes before the mid-season finale, Hiro fell in love with a Texas waitress named Charlie (played by Jayma Mays), but was unable to save her from the serial killer known as Sylar (Zachary Quinto). According to Oka, the experience will have a profound affect on Hiro in the last half of the season. "[The death of] Charlie has definitely put a certain devastation and a realization of reality into his power," he said. "He's definitely come to realize he can't change the past. Fate is fate and he can't change that. Same with destiny. He believed in that and he realizes that that's something not to be messed with. But Hiro's still on his pure journey, but he's gone through a lot of tragedy and obstacles, so it's going to be hard for him to sort of balance that."

Hiro will also begin a quest for the sword he saw himself using in a picture drawn by the character of Isaac (Santiago Cabrera), who has the ability to paint the future. "The next seven episodes [are] definitely focused about Hiro and his quest for his sword, which he believes will let him focus his power and get back the control over his powers," Oka said. "But we'll see some very interesting, new kind of effects, because of his lack of control of his powers and [how they are] tied to his emotions."

And what of the dinosaur also seen in the painting? Oka, who also has a career in special effects, said that it will be explained, and possibly even seen, in the next new episode. "Our show has always realized Isaac's paintings," he said. "So we know it comes to fruition in one form or another. And all I can say is I do work for Industrial Light & Magic, and we've worked on a great film called Jurassic Park." Heroes returns on Jan. 22 in its regular timeslot on Mondays at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT.

Online rental service Netflix is offering subscribers an exclusive DVD containing a season-to-date recap of the first 11 episodes of NBC's superhero drama Heroes. Customers can add the disc to their rental queue now for delivery beginning Jan. 9. Also included is the pilot of NBC's The Black Donnellys and a sneak peek at the midseason SF series Raines, starring Jeff Goldblum. Heroes returns with new episodes on Monday, Jan. 22, at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT.

Here is an article about the coming up Heroes episodes.. I'm not going to paste it because it's farily long.. but there are some spoilers so if you don't want to know.. don't click on the link.  http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049

Access Hollywood did a piece on Heroes.. if you go to there website http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah3502.shtml you can watch about four mintues of the upcoming episode... it's pretty sweet... btw the video is at the bottom of the page.

Thanks Kenny.  Very cool indeed.  I loved the part where Peter is talking to Hiro..Peter" What do you think it is that make the bomb go off?" Hiro" Don't know.  Probably bad guy."...funny.  I cant wait for the next episode.  The waiting is killing me!

I just read that Heroes was picked up for a full Second Season by NBC for the 2007/2008 TV Season... YAY!!!!  :cheering

Okay, I have heard some disconcerting news today. Both Geekson and Extralife are saying that the dialogue and character profiles in Heroes are really weak. Now I know they only saw the first two episodes and that I am still a little behind on the podcasts, but I usually find their reviews quite reliable. I hope you guys can reassure me that when it shows over here (next month) that It is going to be a quality show. Extralife were comparing it to Invasion and surface which both got canned after just one season. Please set my mind at rest folks. Cheers :)

Well I don't listen to Geekson or Extralife but after hearing this I'm not so sure really want too. Comparing Heroes to Invasion and Surface is like apples to oranges. First of all Invasion and Surface (which by the way both shows I loved) were not hits and slowly weathered away to nothing even though the stories got better and better as the series went on. Heroes is a HIT, it's one of the most watched new series on TV. Second it's a serial drama, like Lost it gives you bits and pieces along the way. They can't give you everything you want to know right up front. I think the writting is superb and Heroes, unlike Lost has moved a bit faster but still leaves you wanting more. Every episode builds on itself. With the pilot you get a brief glimpse of these characters and as the series goes (we are only up to episode 11) you get more and more info about these characters and their stories. These "Podcasters" have only seen the first two episodes of a bigger story. Don't worry Tim, I love this TV series and your going to love it too.

I trust your judgement Kenny and I'm sure the extralife and geekson guys have changed their mind. Cheers buddy

Renewal Opens Up Heroes

Tim Kring, creator and executive producer of NBC's hit series Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that the network's announcement of a renewal for a full second season allows the writers to explore more story possibilities. "In network TV you never take these things for granted," Kring said in an interview at the Television Critics Association press tour in Pasadena, Calif., on Jan. 17. "And while we're clearly a success, these things are always fabulous. And I think how early it was done is just a huge show of support for the show."

On Jan. 17, NBC announced that it was ordering up a full second season of the hit series, about ordinary people who discover they have extraordinary abilities.

The writers are still breaking stories for the end of season one, which will run a full 23 episodes, but have already started talking about where the series will go in season two. "It is forcing these discussions about season two, and that's been actually one of the really fun things about this kind of storytelling," Kring said. "It seems to want to generate ahead far enough so that you're never really in that much trouble. It's amazing. I was sort of panicked by the idea of having to take a break at the end of this season and go off and think about season two, and it's just naturally starting to come up in the writers' room, and we're putting stuff up on the board. While I had big tentpole ideas of where I wanted it to go, the meat is actually getting filled out, and every day I look at that board, and I smile, because it's one less thing I have to think about on my hiatus."

Kring assured viewers that the storyline concerning the looming apocalypse will be wrapped up before the end of this season. Although some questions will be answered, he promised that others will be raised in the finale. "It's not necessarily a cliffhanger in terms of what has been set up so far, storywise," he said. "It's more of a cliffhanger as to the welfare and well-being of several of our characters. But there will be a payoff. ... It plays into where we kick off at the top of the season." Heroes returns with an all-new episode on Monday Jan. 22 at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT.

Takei Takes On Heroes

Star Trek veteran George Takei, who will play the father of Masi Oka's Hiro Nakamura on NBC's Heroes later this season, told SCI FI Wire that even he doesn't know what his character's true motives are. "The thing isâ€"and this is the part of the challenge of doing Heroesâ€"I really don't know who my character is and why my character does what he does and what his motivations are and where he's going," Takei said in an interview at the Television Critics Association press tour in Pasadena, Calif., on Jan. 17. "Because with each new script, I make new discoveries. Is he good or is he bad? Is he domineering or is he being told to behave that way? I mean, there's so many ambiguous things about it."

Takei's character is a stern, traditional figure, who disapproves of his son's quest to become a hero, he said. "I'm a powerful industrialist. We come from a very distinguished family. An old-line family. I was brought up that way, and I thought I would bring up my son that way. But I'm discovering that there are strange things happening."

One of the biggest challenges, Takei said, is that he has had to perform all of his scenes in Japanese. Though he speaks the language fluently, it's the first time he's ever worked that way. "It's a commentary on the television viewing audience," he said. "Here it is, prime-time network popular television, and [we have] whole scenes being played in a foreign language with English subtitles. I think it's a great commentary on how sophisticated and how global our television-viewing audience has become. ... I haven't worked in Japan in Japanese. And here I am in the United States working in Japanese with English subtitles. So that's a delight, but it's also a challenge because it's not my first language."

So far, Takei has filmed three episodes, with the possibility of more if the story allows it.

Takei also acknowledged that Hiro loves Takei's most famous role, Mr. Sulu in the original Star Trek series. When informed that Oka had suggested the writers make a reference to Sulu being Hiro's true father figure, Takei was delighted at the prospect. "Well, I am!" he said. "They should work it in there. At least, 'Papa, you look like Sulu.'" Heroes returns with an all-new episode on Jan. 22 at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

Eccleston’s “Heroes” Role Revealed â€" Well, Sort Of!

In November 2006 we reported that former Doctor Who star Christopher Eccleston would be appearing in some of the new episodes of NBC’s hit “Heroes.” At that time it was all hush-hush whether he would actually be one of the heroes or some other related cast member. Now we are happy to report that he will indeed be a hero and an invisible one at that.

Eccleston will be starring as an invisible-man named Claude, in a homage to the late actor Claude Rains who starred as the original invisible man in the great 1933 classic SF film “The Invisible Man.”

Tim Kring, the show’s creator and executive producer, said in a interview at the Television Critics Association this week that, “So far, he’s [Eccleston] been in four [episodes], and then we’re trying to work out his dates with his movie that he’s doing.” “We’d like to have him come and play with us for a while,” added Kring.

You can see Claude in the very first new episode called “Godsend,” when it airs this coming Monday, January 22nd on NBC.

“His character acts as a sort of mentor for Milo’s [Ventimiglia] character, Peter, who’s having trouble controlling all of these crazy powers that he seems to have,” Kring said.

Kring added: “So he runs into this character, literally, and forces him, basically, to teach him what’s going on and to tell him what’s going on. And it’s the first indication for the audience that these powers have been around longer than we seem to have sensed it as an audience based on what we’ve seen so far.”

Eccleston’s newest film, “New Orleans, Mon Amour” is currentily in post-production. In it he plays Dr. Jekyll to Elizabeth Moss’ Hyde. Look for it in theaters sometime in 2008.

Heroes Heats Up

Hayden Panettiere, who plays indestructible cheerleader Claire in NBC's Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that the end of the show's first season will be even more exciting than the beginning. "The next few episodes, oh, my God, you guys," Panettiere said in an interview at the Television Critics press tour in Pasadena, Calif. "I've said to everyone, 'It feels like we're starting a new season.' It's been the most incredible. Like, these episodes, the writing, the acting, the characters have made this huge leap. And it's amazing."

In the episodes leading up to the first-season finale, Claire will begin the search for her birth parents. The quest will lead her to some surprising answers, Panettiere promised. "My character is definitely running down that road of trying to discover who she is, where she comes from, who her parents are, if she's alone," she said. "And you realize that it's a very, very small world. And people have these very odd connections. And there is a big, big turn. A couple turns coming up."

As for the rumored death of one of the main characters, Panettiere said her power might make her a less likely candidate, but nothing is certain on this show. "It helps probably to be indestructible," she said. "But we've also realized the key to people's powers lies in their brain. And there's that scene a few episodes ago where Thomas Dekker's character said to me, ... 'You could have died' when Sylar comes. And I say, 'I know.' Because, the truth is, the question really is, can she die? If, let's say, she got that stick stuck in her head, and they never pulled it out, how long her body can survive enough to regenerate before she really dies?"

Then again, dying may not be enough to stop Claire Bennet. "I die all the time," Panettiere said. "I feel like Kenny in South Park. Like, 'Oh, my God. They killed Kenny!'" Heroes returns with all-new episodes on Jan. 22 at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

Just finished watching the new episode of Heroes "Godsend" ...WOW... I'm so happy it's back. It was another awesome episode. Loved Peter's dream, WOW WOW WOW, Nathan and Simone getting disintegrated, it was so cool to see more characters (Issac, Hero, Ando, Simone and Nathan) coming together. Didn't get to see much of the new Hero, but I look forward to see his and Peter's relationship. I'm glad Claire and Zack are back on track to being best friends. Ali was great as Niki/Jessica, flipping back and fourth between the two characters. And the ending gave me chills. Can't wait for next week.

So what do you guys think is up with Linderman? I wonder if he has powers. he has to be more than just a crime boss he seems to be connected to everyone :starwars:

Quote from: darthcooley on January 23, 2007, 03:31:53 AM
So what do you guys think is up with Linderman? I wonder if he has powers. he has to be more than just a crime boss he seems to be connected to everyone :starwars:

The fact that he's buying up all of Isaac's painting's bothers me.

I'm hoping he's going to break the mold of the show and actually come out as a good guy through and through.  Claire's dad's got issues, that's for sure, but still...

ack.. want ... to.. avoid spoiling those who haven't seen it yet...

Mr. O

Quote from: darthcooley on January 23, 2007, 03:31:53 AM
So what do you guys think is up with Linderman? I wonder if he has powers. he has to be more than just a crime boss he seems to be connected to everyone :starwars:

I don't know what to make of Linderman.. they are building him up and up.. I just hope it's a good payoff.

Quote from: MrOsterman on January 23, 2007, 06:20:26 AM

The fact that he's buying up all of Isaac's painting's bothers me.

I agree.. he is also the person who has Hiro's sword. I feel like he is the puppet master behind our Heroes.

Sorry if I missed this earlier. ... I thought I had heard that Sean Bean had been added to the cast.  Is that true, and is he maybe going to play Linderman?

I saw Dr. Who, actually my wife spotted him first, it was pretty cool to see him with a beard.

Quote from: Elizur on January 23, 2007, 09:52:39 AM
Sorry if I missed this earlier. ... I thought I had heard that Sean Bean had been added to the cast.  Is that true, and is he maybe going to play Linderman?

I saw Dr. Who, actually my wife spotted him first, it was pretty cool to see him with a beard.

No Sean Bean was a rumour that got out of control.. he was suppose to play Sylar

Loved the show last night.  Jessica snapping the baton in half was AWESOME.  I too was glad to see Claire try and "reclaim" Zack.  I am wondering about the Haitian....what are his motives and what will happen?

Man I love this show.

Quote from: Darth Gaos on January 23, 2007, 10:05:53 AM
Jessica snapping the baton in half was AWESOME. 

Yeah but was that Jessica or Niki.. the look of surprise on her face after she did that made me think it was Niki.

Yeah but when she was talking with the attorney she seemed to be "snapping" back and forth between the two almost instantaneously (ie the "conversation" she was having with herself).  That is why I thought Jessica then instantly snapping back to Niki.

Quote from: Darth Gaos on January 23, 2007, 01:47:04 PM
Yeah but when she was talking with the attorney she seemed to be "snapping" back and forth between the two almost instantaneously (ie the "conversation" she was having with herself).  That is why I thought Jessica then instantly snapping back to Niki.

Yeah I thought the same thing... I just like the idea of Niki being strong also. Guess will have to wait and see.

I just watched the new episode last night finally (having 24 and Heroes on at the same time is killing me).  Good episode.  It seems it was setting up a lot of new things.  Nikki in jail was interesting but I'm wondering how long she will be there?  Seems like the Haitian could pop in with Nikki's husband, make everyone forget and slip her out of there.  Boom - easy.  And just why is Peter having these very vivid dreams of his future?  Is it a little power left from the painter Isacc in him?  My favorite is still Hiro.  Him almost getting his sword and yelling "flying man" were great parts.  The show is really starting to pull them all together and I was happy to see that.

I am pretty sure that it was Nki who snapped the baton.   I think this is the first hint that Niki may be asserting some control over Jessica.  The power is in the body -- but the Jessica is the personality who knows how to use it.  But that is gonna change.  And I think once Niki can control her power, perhaps she will then be able to get rid of the Jessica personality.  Jessica says she is there because she needs to protect Niki so what happens when Niki is finally able to protect herself?  No more need to Jessica.

I thought the episode was fantastic.  I cannot wait to see how Hiro gets his sword.  Do they trade Isaac paintings for it or does Hiro try to steal it from Lindermann's gallery?  Or, does Lindermann give it to him in exchange for a 'future favor'...

I have heard that this was Zach's last episode.  So I guess Claire is not going to have him as her confidant.  And the rumor has it that by the end of this season, another female hero from the beginning of the series will die.  So that means it has to be either Niki, Claire, or Simone.  I figure it has to be Simone.  What does Kring have against female heroes?

And I figure that the big explosion has to be averted because if Peter's dream is anywhere close to being true, no way will the entire cast (except Claire) is gonna die.  I mean they are all present so the big boom would wipe them all out except for Claire who might survive it.  So I am thinking that it gets averted.  What do you think about the idea that Simone has a power that she does not realize yet?  Maybe she will be like Sue Storm and be able to contain the blast and save the city -- but the strain of containing the blast causes her death.

-Rick

This just hit me.. they have said that one of the female character will die by the end of season one.. what if he is talking about Jessica as she is a character unto herself but Niki will live. As Rick said.. Niki is getting stronger and will no longer need her. Just a thought!!!

Who Will Die on NBC's Heroes?
Source: TV Guide January 24, 2007

WARNING: This article contains spoilers about upcoming episodes of "Heroes."

Claire finds her birth parents. Peter vanishes. Hiro's father shows up and so does a startling new Israeli hero with high tech capabilities. But that's not the biggest news in store for fans of Heroes as it continues its first season. Featuring four collectible "Heroes" covers (see below), the January 29 issue of TV Guide magazine (on newsstands January 25) reveals that one series' regular is headed for hero heaven.

"Some people will be upset (when they learn who dies), sure," says "Heroes" creator and executive producer Tim Kring. "During February sweeps we are going to kill off one of our regulars, someone who has been with the show from the very beginning." Asked if that "regular" is one of the actual heroes, Kring responds, "You know what? I personally never use the term 'hero' because I happen to know that, ultimately, some of the seemingly heroic characters will not be heroic."

Still he hints that we may not be seeing the last of whomever it is that is being knocked off. "But with the ability to bend time and change things, not all of those who are killed are making their last appearance on the show--and we actually do have plans for the character who's dying."

Kring also confirms that Claire will find her biological mom - played by "Nip/Tuck's" Jessalyn Gilsig - in the January 29 episode. "Claire sets out to locate her birth mother and finds her living in a trailer park in an old Airstream. That'll be a shock but the identity of Claire's father will be a bigger shock," he says. He goes on to hint that the revelation of Claire's biological father just might be someone fans are already familiar with. "I'll say no more about that except that the reveal will be a lot of fun for the audience...Claire has to go on the road to find him. Once she meets her true parents, it will become even more important for her to find other people like her."

Continuing with the Meet the Parents theme, Kring says that Hiro's father - played by George Takei - will also pop up on January 29. "It's going to be blow-your-mind cool," he says. "The character will provide a gateway into a whole world back in Japan that we will explore in Season 2--a story about Hiro's family and his past."

As for Hiro regaining control of his powers, Kring says, "He'll be a little handicapped for a while. Hiro can't be so powerful that he becomes a crutch for bad writing. That's why we had him fail to save the waitress. We can't have him go back in time and fix everything."

What about the two series regulars - Simone and Mohinder - who don't seem to possess a secret power? Kring says of both, "(There are) none yet and none planned...except (in the case of Simone) maybe the power of love. We want the audience to feel that the spark between Simone and Isaac might reignite. It was always intended to be a complicated triangle between those tow and Peter."

As for Peter, Kring says, "He's with our new invisible man, Claude, and no one will be able to find him for several episodes. Claude who has had his powers longer than anyone we've seen thus far, is a window into the truth about what's really going on."


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Another awesome episode, and the spoilers look like it will just keep getting better.

Just cant belive this is on a network!

MY GODS DOES THIS SHOW GET BETTER AND BETTER... So there are 36 on this list. Finally got to see Hiro's papa (Takei). And Claire's Mom is a Pyro.. that was awesome, now we just need to figure out who her Dad is. So Matt's wife if pregnant.. I wonder who's it is??

And the previews for next week look awesome.

I LOVE THIS SERIES!!!!!!

I was yelling at my TV when the doctor called to say Syler was dead...what an idiot!  The previews freaked me out!!!

I'm so excited about George Takei being on the show!  GULP!!!  LOL!

What if Claire's Dad is the Invisible Man character?

Quote from: RickPeete on January 30, 2007, 12:17:05 AM
What if Claire's Dad is the Invisible Man character?

My money is on Linderman.

:)

Mr. O

Here is a thought I just had on the whole Niki / Jessica thing.. We first thought that she was only strong when Jessica was in control but then we see her as Niki snap the night stick like it was a twig. So if Niki has a super power wouldn't her sister Jessica? Lets say Jessica has a power that would enable her to leave her body & maybe  possess another person. Well we know  that she was abused by her father & that she took the abuse to protect Niki. So I was thinking that maybe when the abuse took place she jumped into her sister so not to feel the pain of the abuse & to get Niki out of there to protect her. So then when her father killed her while she was possessing Niki she got stuck there. Now if this was the case if Niki knew this would she still try and get rid or kill her own sister????? :starwars:

I think Niki suffers from Multiple Personality Disorder.  I do not think she is being possessed by Jessica but that the death of Jessica in real life, combined with her father's abuse, caused her to split into two personalities.

So her super strength is hers but utntil recently, only the Jessica personality knew about it.  Now it appears that Niki can access that capability.  This could mean the end of the need for Jessica's protection and therefore, lead to the merging of the two personalities into one.  Hmmmm....

And as for Claire's Dad, now I am thinking that it might be Nathan based upon the previews.  I think Nathan had an affair with Claire's mother.  And perhaps he tried to keep it quiet until Lindermann found out and used it as leverage against Nathan (threatening to expose the affair during the campaign).

Yeah but how long has Nathan been married to his wife?  To be an affair he would have to been married for at least 16 years and I am not sure that has been fleshed out.  It could very well be that Nathan met Merideth Gordon when he was single.  Plus Lindermans leverage over nathan came from his affair with Nikki if I remember correctly.

This show just keeps getting better and better.

Another good show last Monday.  I wished we got to see more of Hiro's dad - but I know there will be more next week with Mr. Sulu!  Those TV guide covers are cool Kenny.  Thanks!

Well I am sure that Lindermann had his hooks into Nathan long before Nathan and Niki slept together.  He was mentioned in episodes prior to the Vegas one.

It is possible that he met Meredith before he was married to his current wife tho.

Okay... I must calm down so I can make coherent sentences. Another great episode. So many cool things. First I was sure Claire's adoptive mom was going to die... Sylar is way to creepy. I yelled out loud when HRG guy busted down the door and shot him. Loved Claire's Mom's comment after showing her daughter her power "some family". And Nathan is her Daddy.. it wasn't as big as a shock as I expected. I love that now we know that Nathan has to thank Peter for saving his daughter, Peter's niece. Can't wait for them to meet.

Linderman pulling strings again... now Jessica is out and in control... poor Niki.

Hiro's storyline was okay.. Did anyone notice Hiro's Dad's Limo license plate NCC-1701 NOW THAT'S AWESOME!!!!!!

I enjoyed the Peter storyline.. doesn't need to be cold like Claude, Peter's powers are controlled through his Empathy

Can't wait for next week.

Just in case you missed it.. here is a screen grab of Hiro's father's Limo... check out the license plate!!

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NO -  WAY !   :o   I have to watch those scenes again...

Oh nice Kenny!!!  Good post.  I just got done watching it myself.  Really cool about the license plate.  Awesome.  Thx for posting that!

Loved this episode - loved every part of it.  The Hiro part was important to his character I thought.  The license plate was cool (I want it!).  It's pretty obvious this is becoming a Peter vs. Sylar showdown.  Eccleston (Dr. Who) is a perfect addition to the show.  He is awesome!  Great stuff!

Takei rocked as Hiro's dad! 

Heroes.... what can i say... wow.... I've watched every episode, I started watching them about 3 weeks ago and got through the first 11 episodes on the internet in 2.5-3 days...

I think Heroes has become my new favorite show on tv (currently being broadcast of course) .... Either Heroes or Boston Legal...

I'm actually a bit annoyed that u guys noticed the 1701... i was hoping to be the first one to point that out... lol  (oh and did anyone notice that Mohinder wasnt in the episode at all! there wasnt even a confusing voice over at the end...)

My take on Sylar: So what bugs me is that we know sylar can obviously take a beating... Matt Parkman pumped a whole round into him in one episode and he got away unscathed... and in Homecoming, he isnt too injured when he falls off the roof w/ peter... so why is he so obsessed with stealing claires healing powers?

Rico, u said that they are leading up to a Peter / Sylar showdown soon... I totally agree... So picture this: Sylar tries to throw something (has to be something really harmful, like a knife or something) at Peter using his force powers, and peter stops the object in the air! peter steals his force powers and throws it right back at him... (i know, i know, George Lucas did it already...)
but it would still be awesome... right?

and did anyone know George Takei could speak in Japanese? cool....

Yeah. George is fluent in Japanese.  He actually served as some kind of envoy from the US to start a museum there for WW II I think.

Holy Frak I did not catch the license plate....someone take my geek cred card away...I don't deserve it anymore...I feel shame  :'(

Anyway, I don't believe the Hiro/Sulu storyline is finished just yet.  I think there is more to Hiro's dad and we will learn more as the season goes on.

I too was not that shocked that Nathan was Claire's dad....Actually I was a bit disappointed...I thought maybe it was a little too trite and convenient.

I did LOVE the fact that Mr Bennet and Christopher Eccleston's character had crossed paths before...."It means an old friend is not as dead as we thought he was.".........frakin cool.

Cannot wait until next weeks episode.

Quote from: Picard_delta_5 on February 07, 2007, 10:07:47 PM


My take on Sylar: So what bugs me is that we know sylar can obviously take a beating... Matt Parkman pumped a whole round into him in one episode and he got away unscathed... and in Homecoming, he isnt too injured when he falls off the roof w/ peter... so why is he so obsessed with stealing claires healing powers?

You're assuming that Matt *hit* him with the bullets.  The thing about telekinesis is that if you see the bullet coming, it can't hit you.  Ditto for LD's fading power.  If he sees the bullet coming it goes right through him.

Sylar needs Claire to be sure that he can regenerate damage he can't see.

Mr. O

hmm, hadnt thought about it like that... wait, has a bullet ever passed through DL? i think that jessica tried to snipe him and the bullet faded through his head right? (i dont remember....) but didnt he also get shot in the side?

if i remember correctly and if he did get shot in the head, then ur theory has a hole... cause he didnt know that she was going to shoot him in the head...

Quotehmm, hadnt thought about it like that... wait, has a bullet ever passed through DL? i think that jessica tried to snipe him and the bullet faded through his head right? (i dont remember....) but didnt he also get shot in the side?

if i remember correctly and if he did get shot in the head, then ur theory has a hole... cause he didnt know that she was going to shoot him in the head...

almost, she shot him first in the arm, that one hit as he did not know it was coming, when the second shot was fired, he was expecting it and it passed through his head without harming him.

And sylers telekenisis power is so far his only defense we know of but it is a very powerful version able to protect him against physical harm very well, but as pointed out, can not help him if he is allready hurt or cant see it coming. Put clairs healing on top of his telekenisis, and you have something like magneto/wolverene

pretty scary

I would think that if Sylar got Claire's power he would be as close to invulnerable as one could get, short of maybe a surprise "Highlander" style decapitation.

Thoughts?

well, i suppose sylar could be killed in a big explosion... (radioactive man... maybe?)

but id much rather see them do a sylar vs peter showdown...

OH WAIT!!! in the last episode claire's dad shot sylar in the chest a bunch of times... he flew backwards... he WASNT expecting those shots, but regardless he managed to escape somehow... how is that possible? i thought that he either gets shot with a bullet and gets hurt (same as DL) or deflects the bullet with his powers, but in this case he was shot, fell backwards, and disappeared...

They way Im understanding his power is that its like he puts up a shield of some kind but the inertia still pushes him back, just like when matt shot him and he went down only to get right back up.

I do like how they dont really explain how anything works, because it lets us guess and theorize like crazy

anyway thats how I am guessing his bullet stoping power works, but i could very well be wrong

yeah, i agree... i love shows that give us to speculate on how all the stuff works....

So what did everyone think of last nights episode "Run" ??

I thought it was okay.. Heroes once in a while has these filler episodes that nothing really happens and this was one of those. Of course we find out a few things..

Nathan does have a heart, it looked liked he really struggled with the news about Claire.

Too many mind sweeps is bad for the brain.. I expect Claires mom to die soon.

Jessica is Linderman's new assasin.

Matt isn't such a "good" guy by stealing those diamonds

And Ando is a sucker for a crying girl...

Not much really happening, oh I really liked Zane the guy who could melt things.. to bad Sylar got to him first.

This episode really showed how everyone is going to wind up in New York in two weeks when the bomb goes off. Jessica/Niki will be there to assasinate Nathan. Hiro and Ando will be going back once they get the sword, Claire is going to go and find her father, DL and Micah will find out that Niki went so they will go to find her. That just leaves Matt but I'm sure he'll find a way to be there too. All in all just an okay episode.

Here's a Trek connection.. Roxanne Dawson directed last night's episode of Heroes. And for those of you who don't know who Roxanne Dawson is ... She played Belanna Torres on Star Trek Voyager.

Did you catch the mention of Sulu?  And when the vulcan hand sign was used?

I thought it was a great episode.  Amy and I enjoyed it.

yeah, I saw a few trek references in the episode... I thought it was a good episode (but only because of the Matt Parkman vs Jessica thing)... A lot of it was just annoying... ie, Hiro getting punched by the girl (COME ON, HE CAN STOP TIME!!! SO ANNOYING) and Mohinder... I just hate the way he's ALWAYS one step behind everybody... i like him as a character and i would really like to see him get more involved with all the Heroes...

so i was kinda disappointed that we never say Peter, or Issac or invisible man... but oh well, "all good things to those who wait..." (anybody know where thats from?)

so I have a question, how come sylar can control all his powers, but peter cant? speculations anyone?

Quote from: Picard_delta_5 on February 13, 2007, 08:14:32 PM

so I have a question, how come sylar can control all his powers, but peter cant? speculations anyone?

Choice?  Sylar chooses when he gets a new power so he's "in the zone" when he starts to get powered up.  Peter just has a new power foisted on him so it's a "oh, uh. what the heck is this?" going on which probably translates to no control.

Mr. O

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on February 13, 2007, 01:57:55 PM
Here's a Trek connection.. Roxanne Dawson directed last night's episode of Heroes. And for those of you who don't know who Roxanne Dawson is ... She played Belanna Torres on Star Trek Voyager.

I didn't catch that.  Good for her! 

They have created quite a tough bad guy in Sylar.  It might be tough to off him believeably. 

maybe... but i'm sure they'll find a way... i dont even want to try guessing how thats gonna happen... we just dont know enough yet

Another interesting episode.  I'm really wondering why they have made Hiro so ineffective in the last few episodes.  Maybe they realized that being able to move through space and time gave him pretty much limitless power and decided to pull back on it a bit.  The Matt/Jessica confrontation was interesting but Jessica/Nikki isn't really doing much for me.  It's kind of sad about Claire's step-mom.  I think she may be gone soon.  Next week's show looks cool.

While there were some interesting parts in Monday's episode,  I thought it wa the most disappointing episode of the series by far.  other than a few things here and there I really thought the ep was predictable and just kinda blah.

Hopefully next week will be more interesting, what with someone dying and all....and I really hope that it is Nikki that dies.  I just seem to have completely lost interest in her character.

NO!!! i never watch the preview for next week cause i like watching heroes fresh, so i didnt know anything about somebody dying... Oh well, the title of this thread is "Heroes (might contain slight spoilers)" lol... but usually whenever a show says that someone is gonna die, its usually a minor character... ive seen shows where they say someone is gonna die, and we meet in the beginning of the episode, and that same character that gets killed off in the end...

but again, i probably shouldnt be talking cause i didnt watch the preview for next week

I think it's Claire's adoptive mom who is going to croak...too many mind wipes. :)

Sam (picard) - you must avoid spoiler threads like this if you want to stay spoiler free.  We talk about rumors, ideas, etc. here as well.  Just so you know.  But generally we don't give too much away unless it is already known or aired on TV.

i know, i know... no worries... ha, i like ur new profile picture by the way...

Has anyone heard that Hiro will not be back for the second season?  It was announced in TV Guide (I think) that he is taking that season off for some reason and will be back probably in season three.  I hear he is going to go on some adventure with his 'future self' (which totally contradicts all known rules about time travel and what happens when you hook up with yourself but oh well...)

If this is true, I will be disappointed.  The new tag line "someone flies. someone dies" ib the Heroes web site would make it appear that someone will die in tomorrow's episode but I heard in a podcast that the death may not occur until the March 5th episode.

Last thing: if you don't read the online graphic novels, you need to.  They always have interesting backstories.  The latest one shows Sylar using the 'freeze power' from the pilot episode and confirms he has Charlies' edectic memory.

Was she a hero?  I mean, I thought they were going to off a hero. 

Maybe she had a power she didn't know about and we'll see it in bomb boy at some point?  The telekenisis thing, perhaps.

Nice episode. 

Well they killed the new hero with the super hearing (damn! now Sylar has that ability).  And they killed Simone -- poor Isaac.  I wonder if this will put a final nail in his relationship with Peter...

Peter can fly! WooHoo!  But he lost his mentor.... hmmm.  And Claire is not afraid of dear ole Dad any longer now that her Mom is definitely suffering from too many mind wipes.  Or, perhaps the problem is that she had a concussion at the time of the mindwipe which caused her problem...

Anyways, next week should be an awesome episode.  We learn the history of HRG and maybe we get to see Nathan and Jessica mix it up.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah!  And we finally get to see Hana hook up with Ted and then the two of them hook up with Matt in the graveyard as they conspire against HRG.  So when HRG and family get home, they get a surprise cuz Matt and Ted show up to 'get some answers.'

And, our buddy Hiro uses his power to turn back time to keep from getting shot by the showgirl/  But because Ando had his eyes shut, they don't know if Hiro saved them or if the showgirl's gun misfired (Hiro did use his power).  So we know he still has the power but has perhaps a confidence problem preventing him from using it like before (kinda like Spiderman II...)

Anyway, look out for Episode 18... I hear Linderman makes his first appearance and we meet a new 'hero'....

I'm with Kenny....OMG!  That was the best episode yet!  I love how everything is pulling together now.  Some very cool stuff.  Oh, and Sylar must die.  He's such a bad guy!

OMG!!!!!!! Peter rocks!!! (I know, he was a little evil, but still....)

Q: How does Sylar gain control of all of his powers? i doubt the invisible man trained him...

Quote from: Picard_delta_5 on February 20, 2007, 05:15:16 PM
Q: How does Sylar gain control of all of his powers? i doubt the invisible man trained him...

I think Peter just absorbs them unknowingly. Sylar studies them and figures out how they work.  But after this weeks episode.. I think Peter is getting the hang of them.

yeah... i'll say... lol THAT WAS AMAZING!!!!!!!

Looks like the super hearing ability is going to mess up Sylar pretty hard.  It would seem pretty clear that his greed for power is going to be his downfall sometime soon.

Peter getting the hang of his powers is amazingly compelling, I really like this young actor that plays him.  He was pretty good in Rocky Balboa if I remember, with a pretty limited script to work with.

I'm just kinda scared for Mohinder... once he figures out who sylar really is (if he ever does figure out... sry, but Mohinder just kinda annoys me), he's gonna be in serious danger...

I could easily see Mohinder asking "Zane" to many questions, especially now that the hearing thing is bugging him...

Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on February 22, 2007, 08:16:37 PM
Looks like the super hearing ability is going to mess up Sylar pretty hard.  It would seem pretty clear that his greed for power is going to be his downfall sometime soon.

Peter getting the hang of his powers is amazingly compelling, I really like this young actor that plays him.  He was pretty good in Rocky Balboa if I remember, with a pretty limited script to work with.

He'll always be Jess to me.... (Gilmore Girls)

Mr. O

Next week should be cool.  What I love about the show is the fact that the person you like one week, you may not like the next week.  Right now I have a lot of sympathy for HRG and don;t much care for the way Parkman is acting.....3 weeks ago when they raided the "paper factory" my feelings were reversed...if that makes any sense.

Man I love this show....and supposedly we are gonna get some answers this week.

Anyone been to iesb.net today?  They have some nice video clips from Monday's episode as well as some video interviews of key cast members.

http://www.iesb.net

Quote from: MrOsterman on February 23, 2007, 03:29:28 AM
He'll always be Jess to me.... (Gilmore Girls)

Mr. O

Same thing in my house.  If one of us can't remember "Peter Petrelli", we just call him Jess and the other knows what we mean.

HRG? who?

HRG (Horn Rimmed Glasses).. MR. Bennet.. Claire's Adopted Father

right, thats kinda an odd nickname... who came up with that one?

I forget to mention that the clips at iesb.net are for NEXT Monday's episode Company Man....

Quote from: Picard_delta_5 on February 23, 2007, 10:47:00 PM
right, thats kinda an odd nickname... who came up with that one?

The fan started to call him that and then the show picked up on it and have called him that several times.

in the show? they called him that in the show? hmm, i guess i missed that..

I know the writers refer to him as HRG in online interviews.

Just watched "Company Man", a good episode.  It definitely answered a lot of questions and moved the plot forward.

THAT WAS AMAZING! best heroes episode i've seen in a while... so crazy... But i still dont know what exactly clair's dad does...

I thought it was a nice touch to find out that Claire picked out the Horn Rimmed Glasses for HRG...

And did anyone notice that Simone was alive in the preview?  I wonder if the woman in the hospital room that was going to "clean up HRG's mess" is a shapeshifter or can assume another's identity becaues Simone is supposed to be dead.  Even the actress that plays Simone said in a recent interview that her character was in fact dead.  Hmmm......

And Sulu is part of the 'organization' -- no real shock there but it was cool to see young 'Hiro' there with him.

I guess we know why Claude is so secretive and bitter.  I guess I would be too if my 'partner' shot me 2-3 times!

This series gets better and better.. I like that they focus on only one story. The SFX were AWESOME!!!!!! I for one was shocked with Mr. Nakamura (Sulu) was revealed to be part of the organization, I didn't see that coming. And it was cool to see "little" Hiro. Claire is just awesome.. when she came walking about burnt from  head to toe.. oh man gave me chills.

Next week looks to be another great episode.

It was an awesome episode!  I'm telling you, these folks know how to build a story and build characters.  This is great comic book style writing on TV.  No one has ever come close to this type of comic book take on the small screen - in my view.  Loving this show more each week!

So Claire's dad is ______ (fill in the blank)... Is he still gonna work at the "Paper Company" What is he going to forget? That part confused me a little...

He said something along the lines of "erase anything that could lead them to her (her being Claire)..." But isn't "them" his company? Hmm?

Ok, I have a really good feeling about next week because Hiro is going to finally find the sword, ie: get his confidence back

HRG will continue to work with the organization.  That whole thing on the bridge was designed so that he would be treated without suspicion in the disapperance of Claire.  Obviously the organization might have someone who could read minds better than Matt so he told the Haitan to 'go deep' so that there would be no trace of their plan to hide/protect Claire.

I think this basically puts the suspicion fully upon the Haitan (who the Eric Roberts character already thinks has gone 'off the reservation').  So we hope they don't catch up with him....

It will be good to see Hiro's confidence back. He needs his 'Mojo'!

Quote from: RickPeete on February 27, 2007, 09:41:26 PM
HRG will continue to work with the organization.  That whole thing on the bridge was designed so that he would be treated without suspicion in the disapperance of Claire.  Obviously the organization might have someone who could read minds better than Matt so he told the Haitan to 'go deep' so that there would be no trace of their plan to hide/protect Claire.

Actually I read that as "Go deep and take of Claire out".  IE make me forget EVERYthing about Claire. Who she is, what she looks like, what her favorite songs are.  Delete her from existance in his mind so there is NOTHING about her they can extract from him at all.

Mr. O

Hmmm....I'm not sure on that.  I thought he meant go deep underground so nobody can find you.  But I'm thinking you might be right now.  What a thing to sacrifice to protect your daughter.  To have to forget her completely to keep her safe.  WOW!

UNBELIEVABLE episode last night (sorry, Monday...I DVR'ed it and watched last night)...just awesome.  Lost should take frakking lesson from Heroes and ANSWERS SOME QUESTIONS AND ACTUALLY MOVE THE STORY ALONG.

Anyway...I KNEW there was more to Hiro's dad, I just knew it. Was anyone else just completely heartbroken at the end of that episode?..the interaction between HRG and Claire was great.  Maybe it just hit me cuz I have 4 girls.

Great to see a bit of the backstory.  The preview for next week looks awesome as well....can't wait.

I have to admit I was welling up near the end of this episode.  Great stuff!

Quote from: Rico on February 28, 2007, 12:34:51 PM
I have to admit I was welling up near the end of this episode.  Great stuff!

Yeah... I'll fess to that too.

Mrs. O was too.  She just fessed up.

Mr. O

i dont think he will have to forget Claire completely... that just seems so implausible... it makes more sense that the Haitian will take Claire into hiding... Thats so cool though, I can't wait to see what happens

yeah....what I took away was that the Haitian took any memories of the plot to hide Claire and of his (HRG's) involvement in it....sort of an hero-made plausible deniability......The Haitian, by this time, is considered persona non-grata, right?  HRG can now "truthfully" say:  "I was briniging her in and next thing I remember I am laying here in this hospital with a gunshot wound in the abdomen".

plan being, I am sure, for the bosses to put the peices together and to think..."That damnable Haitian kidnapped her"

That's my take anyway.

that makes sense... that way Claire's dad can continue to work for the company and no ones the wiser.... (cept for the Haitian...)

Quote from: Darth Gaos on March 01, 2007, 08:29:19 AM
yeah....what I took away was that the Haitian took any memories of the plot to hide Claire and of his (HRG's) involvement in it....sort of an hero-made plausible deniability......The Haitian, by this time, is considered persona non-grata, right?  HRG can now "truthfully" say:  "I was briniging her in and next thing I remember I am laying here in this hospital with a gunshot wound in the abdomen".

plan being, I am sure, for the bosses to put the peices together and to think..."That damnable Haitian kidnapped her"

That's my take anyway.

But they could still use any memory of Claire to track her.  These are resourceful and ruthless people.  They might be able to use the fact that Claire had a thing for Teddy Bears as a piece of information, or perhaps a way that Bennet used to talk to her, or her friendship with Zack.  Anything that Bennet might remember can get used; if it's ALL gone then there's nothing to use.

Though I have feeling this debate is purely accademic for a while as I don't expect to see Bennet again for a while.

Mr. O

oh no, i disagree completely... Why would HRG need to forget Claire completely? The "Paper Company" can't use a teddy bear collection to figure out where Claire is... They can only use information about her plans to figure out where she is... how could they use irrelevant memories to find her? I'm not following your reasoning... The company will most likely interrigate HRG, figure out that he is a dead end, and allow him to continue his work...

Side note...

A new clip from the upcoming Spider-Man 3 will debut during the March 5 episode of NBC's Heroes, which airs at 9 p.m. ET/PT, then will be available online in an extended HD clip at NBC.com.

Quote from: Picard_delta_5 on March 01, 2007, 11:17:12 AM
oh no, i disagree completely... Why would HRG need to forget Claire completely? The "Paper Company" can't use a teddy bear collection to figure out where Claire is... They can only use information about her plans to figure out where she is... how could they use irrelevant memories to find her? I'm not following your reasoning... The company will most likely interrigate HRG, figure out that he is a dead end, and allow him to continue his work...

Well thinking in the broadest sense, any detail can be useful in finding someone, even the most insignificant appearing.  How could a fascination with teddy bears help them track her now?  I've no idea; I'm not an expert on tracking.

But I do know that on all the cop shows they alway say "Can you think of anything else?  Even something minor might help us".  Though maybe they're just fishing.  *shrug*

I would be most worried that perhaps a remembered conversation about somewhere she might like to go "someday" would be dangerous.  Take the "command power" that the girl used to have.  Someone says:  Tell me the place Claire dreamed of going" and he spurts out Wriggly Field.  Okay is she likely there now?  No but it's a clue as to where she could be eventually.....

I dunno... it just seems like it's possible that they could use any bit of information so the surest way to leave them nothing is to leave nothing to find.

However I'm also not so optimistic that "the company" will keep Bennet around.  He harbored a mutant, for a good while.  It's possible that even with his memory wiped they can put that together.  And we've seen, they don't "release" employees in the traditional sense.  I'm pretty sure his family is safe now (wife and Lyle) but he's dead.

Just my predictions.  We shoudl find out next time we see him.

Mr. O

I doubt they could seriously remove all references to Claire since she has been part of his life for 14 years.  Removing memories of her would undoubtedly change his very personality given that his growing fond of her has probably kept his 'humanity' intact.  Without Claire, he would probably end up bitter like Claude...

I think he had concocted an 'exit strategy' for Claire for quite a while just in case something like this happened to her.  So 'going deep' I think would refer to removing all the thoughts pertaining to that plan of action.

Besides, the Haitian would have had ot remove all memory of Claire from both her Mom and Kyle, not just HRG, to make Claire truly disappear.

I have another thought unrelated to Claire....

Since Mr. Thompson (Eric Roberts) says that they always pair up a regular operative with a 'special', then that means he has a special as a partner as well.  So I am curious if Mr. Nakamura (Takei) is a special and is Mr. Thompson's partner.  That would also explain Hiro being a special since these abilities are hereditary.

-Rick

Tim Kring, creator of NBC's hit series Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming second season will constitute a new volume in the multi-volume series, with new characters and an entirely new storyline. "If you remember, the opening of the pilot pronounced the episode as the beginning of Volume One," Kring said in an interview. "Volume One comes to a conclusion at the end of episode 23, and Volume Two starts with the opening of season two. And Volume Two is a different story."

Kring added: "We could have new people and new storylines and new ideas and new threats and new bad guys and new heroes. So I would prepare the audience for that idea, that it's not just a continuing serialized storyline about only these people. It's a little more the 24 model than the Lost model."

The first season of Heroes is exploring what happens when a disparate group of ordinary people discover they have extraordinary abilities and attempt to save New York from disaster.

"Heroes needs to evolve, and if we are positing an idea that this is happening all over the world to many, many people, then we get to see some of those people and see how their story fits in."

Kring also confirmed that some of the current heroes just might not survive this season, but added: "Many of your favorites will live to fight again." Heroes airs on Monday nights at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

I was just reading about the Kring interview.  That does sound like a bad turn but its understandable to do stories on other people "on the list".   There are definitely characters I would miss...guess we will have to wait until next year.

Hey, the clip of next week where Linderman is revealed.   Remember the actor at the end of Matrix 2 -- the creator of the matrix ??   Don't know but the white hair and beard looked familiar.

Man, this show just beats them all.  Definitely getting the DVD's

GO HRG man -- who, on IMDB, is simply listed as "Mr Bennet".

Speaking of DVD.. Season One is going to be released in August.

so i was reading Sci-Fi magazine and it had a lengthy article about heroes in it... The most interesting thing I read was the Q & A section... Someone asked whether we would get to see the future hiro that we saw talking to peter on the train.... They said that episode 20 is scheduled to be all about future hiro... So im looking forward to that

Wow...just wow...Another excellent episode. These people certainly know how to tell an exciting story and keep the tension going. The multiple story lines were neatly intertwines - and we finally get some wrap up to several minor arcs.

So Nathan is a good guy after all, and he's been working with the FBI this whole time to bring down Linderman. Nice.. didn't see that coming but in the end, though, Nathan couldn't shoot - whether it was because he's too decent a person or too tempted by Linderman's offer.

It was great to finally meet Linderman... I knew he had to be part of the bigger story. I think he is part of the "Company" along with Mr. Thomas and Hiro's father. I love that all these people are connected.

I really liked Jessica/Niki storyline... I was glad that Niki is able to take back control. Let's hope she stays in control
for awhile. I think DL knew what was going on, and will probably show up in the hotel.

The Haitian, of course, is working for Mama Petrelli, I totally didn't see that coming... which means that she knows about 'the heroes', and possibly links her to the "the Company" in some way. But the good thing is that Mama Petrelli has been trying to protect Claire. Maybe she's not all bad.

Wow.. a shapeshifter.. she is instantly unlikeable. She seems to delight in hurting others. What do you think...is her power true shapeshifting or just illusion?

I'm loving Claire's adoptive mom more and more.. the actress is just great. And the second time when HRG came home and was talking to his wife I knew it was the shapeshifter.. I wonder what is going to happen to him and his wife.

I knew Mohinder wasn't as stupid as they made him in the last episode.. he knew about Sylar.. Quinto did a rather good job with the whole psychopathic ranting, moving from creepy to downright frightening with great ease.

Did Isaac paint his own death or the death of Peter? Based on the scene with Hiro jumping back into the future to the destroyed New York, I'd say we really are right back at the beginning of the show - Isaac's death is pending and New York is still pending a nuclear event.

And WOW what an ending... Mohinder pinned on the ceiling and Sylar cutting Peter's head off...You just know he's going to go ballistic now. I think we probably also know where he gets his scar now.

I can't believe we have to wait a month and half for the final group of episodes.. it's going to be a long six weeks.

Did everyone catch the names of the FBI agents? Quesada and Alonso

Marvel Comics Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada
Marvel Comics Editor Axel Alonso

Great episode again this week.  It's very cool how somewhat minor characters are now turning up in major parts (Nathan and Peters mom for one).  I'm loving how everything is interweaving together.  And Sylar and Peter at the end!  OMG!!!  Peter better put this guy down when the show returns......in 6 weeks!  NOOOO!!!  KHANNNN!!!!!

wow... You think Mohinder is dead? Oh and Linderman was Dr. Sorin from Generations...

i really dont know what to say bout that episode... god, so much happened... I hope DL gets more involved in the whole "saving the world" thing... yeah, he def knows about jessica

Excellent catch Kenny with the "scar" thing...didn't even occur to me.

WOW...just WOW what an outstanding episode...but APRIL 23RD!?!?!?!....NOOOOOOOOO.

Kenny you seem to think that Linderman works for the company...I am not so sure....I am also not so sure about his "bad guy" status.....He is not a nice guy but I'm not sure he is the "bad guy" I had him pegged for being.  I think the Company is bad now with Bennet (Lord I hope he doesn;t die) being one of the few good things about it.

great to see Ando again.

Glad Niki got clocked by Nathan.....was hoping someone would do the same thing to the new girl.

I don't think she is a shapeshifter per se.  I think she has the power to alter the perception of a given area....almost a ....temporary, highly technical mass hypnosis thing if that makes any kind of sense.

I'll say it again.....
6 WEEKS........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ACK!  My DVR didn't record the last 30 seconds of the final episode, it ended with Peter coming in and seeing Suresh on the ceiling...I have to watch it again on the web to see the last 30 seconds, :(

Well that had to suck.. right in the middle of all the tension.. at least you go so nbc.com and see if for free.

damn, that sucks... im sorry... And yeah, I was really glad that they brought Ando back...

After seventeen episodes of hints and build-up, viewers were finally treated to seeing the mysterious Mr. Linderman on the March 5 episode of “Heroes.”

Linderman was played by long-time genre actor Malcolm McDowell. Linderman shared a scene with Adrian Pasdar’s Nathan Petrelli, making a chicken pot pie and hinting that great things were in store for Nathan, should he follow the plan Linderman has for him.

The casting of McDowell was a coup for the show and one that almost didn’t happen, according to an article in “Entertainment Weekly.” When initially approached about the role, McDowell’s first inclination was to pass on the pivotal part. Before he passed on the role, McDowell asked his son, Charlie for advice.

”He said, ‘Are you kidding?! It’s “Heroes”! You gotta do it!”’

McDowell took the role and will be back for at least three more episodes when the series returns in April. As we reported last week on the Slice of SciFi web site, a scene from episode 19 with McDowell and Pasdar was previewed at the Paley festival. Series creator Tim Kring hopes to sign McDowell to more episodes next season.

Right now, McDowell is enjoying the role, hinting about Linderman’s role in the events unfolding in the hit serial-drama. McDowell said he’s looking forward to the season finale and hopes he gets to share screen time with popular character, Hiro.

”He’s just marvelous, isn’t he?” said McDowell. ”I can’t wait to ask him for my sword back. Personally.”

1 Week to go... can't believe it's almost time for my favorite show's return....anyone else excited???

I am pumped, only five shows left!  I wonder what will happen?

Oh no - the dreaded Heroes vs. 24.  If you didn't all the tech we have today, which would you watch?  My choice is Heroes -- can't wait.   Sylar must be dealt with. :boxing

Sylar better die from a virus or brain damage from having to much powers (he thats ironic HE dieing of brain damage)

Quote from: markinro on April 17, 2007, 07:52:01 PM
Oh no - the dreaded Heroes vs. 24.  If you didn't all the tech we have today, which would you watch?  My choice is Heroes -- can't wait.   Sylar must be dealt with. :boxing

That's easy for me.. I don't watch 24... but if I did.. HEROES all the way.

Guys - it's the year 2007.  The age of DVD recorders and TIVO.  You can watch both if you want.  :)

heh the arugment is OVEr!

Quote from: Darkmolerman on April 19, 2007, 07:08:26 PM
heh the arugment is OVEr!

We don't argue... we discuss  :lol2

And to keep this on topic... only four more days till we save the world.

HA see we are arguing! lol woot go heros and SYler please, drown yourself or go back in time and be confused a a which and thrown in a lake (he-he sorry reading The wee-free men and ir has whiches)

Spoiler: I just saw a preview for some upcoming heroes episodes on NBC... Mohinder isn't dead, and they showed a shot of him saying "I'm so sorry. Peter is dead."

I'm not sure what thats about. I doubt that they would give up something like that in a preview for the next episode... It's prob just one of their crazy twists and they put it in the preview to get people talking...

Yeah Rico posted that commercial.

Did anyone else watch the Heroes Marathon on NBC tonight... they showed three episodes and at the end of each they showed a clip from Monday nights episode. Man this show is awesome... I haven't watched any Heroes since it ended six weeks ago. After watching these few episodes it has be super excited for it to come back. This has to be one of the best shows on TV... ever.

Wow... after seven weeks off, we jump right back in to Heroes. What a fantastic episode.  I so like the whole Nathan, Peter, Claire, and Mrs Petrelli storyline. I knew Peter wasn't dead.. and I loved the cool but quick battle between Peter and Sylar. Loved the look on Sylars face when Peter healed his cut head then goes invisible.  That battle had some great effects.  Totally shocked by the Jessica/Candice with Micah. When Jessica was walking Micah out I kept saying there is not way she is doing this.. then when they revealed it was Candice it made sense... man is Linderman in trouble when Jessica come looking for Micah. And of course the cliffhanger ending was AWESOME... next week we get a "What If" episode five years in the future.  I have to watch this episode again and see if I catch anything I missed with my first viewing. What did everyone else think?

Great episode to return with last night.  Loved how HRG guy used the cop's telepathy to help them escape.  And the Peter/Sylar part - whoa.  I hope we get a rematch.  I think many of the characters on this show are not just good or bad - but in between (just like in real life).  Next week's episode looks very much like a riff on the classic X-Men Days of Future Past storyline.  This show has really kicked it up a notch.  Can't wait for more!   

All I can say is WOW!!!  And....CRAP..there are only 4 more left.  Great episode all around....I LOVE Malcom McDowell in this show, he is perfect for the "bad" guy.  I cannot wait until next week to see the "dark" future.

4 things:

1)   I love the fact that Lindserman has powers and I would love a season of this show to be a prequel (assuming Linderman is telling the truth) showing the first group of Heroes.  How they went "bad" and Lindermans rise to power.

2)  I really thought that Peter would have his scar as a result of the fight with Sylar but apparently not.

3)  Did anyone else think that future Hiro was not very happy with present Hiro?

4)  Does Mama Petrelli have a power....if so...what is it?  Was she a member of the first group of heroes?

Man I love this show

Quote from: Darth Gaos on April 24, 2007, 08:31:26 AM
All I can say is WOW!!!  And....CRAP..there are only 4 more left.  Great episode all around....I LOVE Malcom McDowell in this show, he is perfect for the "bad" guy.  I cannot wait until next week to see the "dark" future.

4 things:

1)   I love the fact that Lindserman has powers and I would love a season of this show to be a prequel (assuming Linderman is telling the truth) showing the first group of Heroes.  How they went "bad" and Lindermans rise to power.

2)  I really thought that Peter would have his scar as a result of the fight with Sylar but apparently not.

3)  Did anyone else think that future Hiro was not very happy with present Hiro?

4)  Does Mama Petrelli have a power....if so...what is it?  Was she a member of the first group of heroes?

Man I love this show

1) If you read the graphic novels online they have a five part series dealing with Linderman and Mr Petreilli back in the day.

2) Yeah I think now that Peter saved the Cheerleader that scarred Peter is no more. It was a Peter from a different future.

3) Yes he didn't seem very happy at all, and I thought bad things would happen if you met yourself in time.

4) I think Mama Petrelli has a power but not sure what it is. I kept hoping she would do something. Everytime the camera went on her I thought.. OMG she's going to do her power... but nothing. Guess they have to keep some secrets.

I was so sure that her power was Claire's Regen, but then she didn't think to pull the glass out.....  You'd think if she had the power she'd think to look for something like that, maybe?

Mr. O

well i am stuck in a bad position my cable cut out when Hiro gose into the house. I love that Peter is alive, could the glass shard  be the scar?

well you know you can watch it online at nbc.com

ok... my fav part was the Ted's EMP thing... that was straight up amazing! i loved it!

OH AND GAAA!!!! I hate Mohinder... now hes working with the bad guys AND he still thinks peter is dead!!!  Why does he always have to be 2 steps behind everyone else!?!?!?!?

(I hope they all have cool facial hair in the mirror future universe)

lol cooler facial hair also thanks for telling me Kenny!

I dunno if this has been said yet, and I don't really look on websites.

But my theory is that Linderman is gonna use Mika's power to affect the voting machines so they give a result that shows Nathan wins the election.  :)

That's a good theory.. and yes it has been mentioned on the net, but I think that's a pretty good bet to ensure that Nathan wins.

i wonder what Isaac was talking about right before sylar killed him...

I'm sure will find out... I think his next 9th Wonder comic book will show Hiro stopping the bomb and Peter killing Sylar.

good idea... that would be awesome

oh and congrats... i just noticed that u hit 2000 posts

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on April 25, 2007, 09:35:38 AM
I'm sure will find out... I think his next 9th Wonder comic book will show Hiro stopping the bomb and Peter killing Sylar.

Isaac sure seemed very peaceful at the end there, knowing that Sylar was coming and was very okay with that.  If it doesn't show Hiro saving the world, it has the directions for doing it.

Once they think to look there, of course.

Mr. O

Well I found three short clips of next weeks Heroes ... the mostly deal with Future Hiro.. there are some spoilers so watch only if you can't wait till next Monday. Next week's episode is GOING TO ROCK

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10397

scroll down 2/3's of the page you'll see the links.

SPOILER[/size] lol i guess future Hiro is nice i thought because of the go-tee he was evil also he looks hurt (last clip)                           Spoiler end

i think i can wait 5 days... i'll hold off on the clips for next week

spoilers - if you haven't seen the latest episode....


WOW!  Last nights episode was just great.  It reminded me so much of several X-Men comics I have read.  How all the heroes were being rounded up and gotten rid of in the future.  How much things had changed, etc.  Sylar playing the role of Nathan fooled me completely - but it makes sense.  Future Hiro was very cool.  Of course if our present Hiro changes things, then the future Hiro won't ever exist.  Right?  Awesome show!  It's almost too bad that there are only three episodes left this season.

Okay.. just watched last nights Heroes again before coming into work.

What a great episode and what a bleak future for our Heroes.

Things we find out in this possible future.

First of all most of the characters that we have loved this season are dead or get killed in the future.  D.L. Micah, Nathan, Jessica, HRG, Hana, Future Hiro,  and Claire just to name a few.

Niki is the stronger personality finally getting rid of Jessica and it seems that she still has her strength power.

HRG is a good guy helping the "heroes" but when it comes to his daughter he is willing to give people up.

Matt is such a bad person. I wonder at what point in his life did he turn to the dark side. I mean his wife and son are alive so there death wasn't a trigger. He is just a bad man.

And the big twist that made me have one of those hands over the mouth moments is when Nathan/Sylar reveals himself and kills Claire. That was a OMG moment if there ever was one.

I loved the stand off at the end with Sylar and his freezing power and Peter with his fire power. I know they didn't show the battle for budget reasons but just that little bit gave me chills.

Only three episodes left before a long summer, but at least we have  a ton of good sequels to watch at the movies.

ok so a few things worth mentioning:

First off, I love this show... Mohinder injecting the haitian because the comic book told him too... AMAZING

it brings up the whole predetermination thing...

OH, did anyone notice that HRG didnt have horned rim glasses anymore... thought that was pretty funny

ok... I loved Peter in that episode... the fight scene was awesome. My only problem with that was when Hiro stabbed the guards and they did the aerial shot. I mean, Future Hiro was so bad ass, they really should have done a better job with the choreography... they should have made that one sequence more cinematic... But on the other hand, I loved when peter spun around / threw the guard into the wall with his powers... (and i loved his long black coat... very cool)

oh and did anyone else enjoy watching mohinder struggle to keep the door closed as much as i did?

On that note, I just love this show... I dont know what else to say

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 01, 2007, 10:09:50 AM

And the big twist that made me have one of those hands over the mouth moments is when Nathan/Sylar reveals himself and kills Claire. That was a OMG moment if there ever was one.

I loved the stand off at the end with Sylar and his freezing power and Peter with his fire power. I know they didn't show the battle for budget reasons but just that little bit gave me chills.

That scene where Sylar revealed himself was amazing.  I should have caught it, it made total sense!   But it was so cool.   It was a total shocker.  Reminded me of how I felt last year in Lost when Micheal shot Anna and Libby.

And I really wish we could have seen that battle!!!!

Yeah I would have loved to have seen the battle.. but to be honest.. the amount of SFX they show in Heroes is amazing for the TV series. 

Well anyway I thought the episode was AWSOME I just love it how Niki is now good and with Peter and can't Peter heal that wound? Is it just me but I thought it was kinda funny that the creators basically killed everyone at the end? They must have thought "Its an Alternate reality lets kill Claire and Future Hiro" Also The Sylar thing was sorta "revealed" in the end of the previous episode sylar was painting I guess his future and it was a hunched president drawn in a much more ugly style.

Okay thoughts:

1)  Plot Hole:

If Sylar couldn't open Peter's head becuase of the regeneration, how did he open Claire's?  Simply put, Sylar can't eat Claire's brain unless he knows how to "Temp-Kill" her by sticking her brain with something first to turn off the regen.

2)  Matt

Is he bad?  Yeah he's doing bad stuff but his wife and son are being protected.  Just as Bennet was willing to sell out Hiro to protect Claire, Matt is willing to sell out Bennet to protect his own son.  Is it dirty?  A bit.  But at the same time it's about protecting his own child.

There was a bit on Galactica Watercooler this week where they talked about Gais signing the death warents because had a gun to his head.  Chuck was very forward that he would like to think he'd say "no" when asked to order the execution of hundreds of people; that he'd give his own life to try to save others.  But he also conceeded that how we'd *like* to act in a certain situation is not always how we *actually* act.

3)  Sylar's painting

I wish I had called into the 10th Wonder guys last week when they talked about the painting Sylar did of the white house.  I caught that it was Sylar not Nathan and it did, in that time line, come true.

What's nice is that we have passed the story climax for the major story arc.  The choices have been made, and Hiro has made his choices.  Now it is time to out and act on them.

They saved the Cheerleader.

Now they have to Save the World.

Mr. O

Interesting thoughts.  As far as Sylar, he has so many powers now I'm thinking he could do something to Claire in order to gain her power.  Maybe even as simple as telekinesis to her brain to injure it.  It's hard to know exactly what Matt's situation is.  I think he was being used by Sylar basically.  I think also in this alternate future several "heroes" may be doing some bad things that should be stopped.  And Matt was trying to help with that.  Again, what makes this show so good is all the interesting discussion and thoughts that come up about it.

1) I don't think it's a plothole... Claire doesn't instantly regenerate, it takes a few minutes.  He used his telekinesis and froze her as he did Charlie. Both of them as he cut there head open didn't scream. Like Rico said I think in the future he has so many powers that it was easy for him to get to Claires brain.

2) I know Matt was protecting his son and wife but at what cost. In my opinion it was too much. He beat up Hiro and was about to kill him and for that matter did kill future Hiro.  Matt turned to the dark side, there was no humanity left in his eyes, no hesitation when he shot HRG. In my eyes, regardless of why he was doing it, he was a bad man.

I agree with the watercooler guys, you really don't know how you would react until you are in that situation. You just hope you would do the right thing.

3) I didn't catch that when I first saw the painting. I just figured it was a more warped picture coming from Sylar's head.

LOVED IT, LOVED IT, LOVED IT!!!!  I am really going to be upset in 3 weeks.  Anyway....

Sylar...should have seen it coming after the painting last week but I forgot....my wife saw it coming though.  I was glad it turned out to be Sylar because I like Nathan and it would have been a shame for him to become THAT bad.

When Peter came on screen with the scar both the wife and I said  "Whoa....THAT scar"

What I really love is that the whole premise of the first season is to prevent an ALREADY bad future.  I mean, I guess you could see that from the paintings but it's more than that to me.  Future Hiro didn't visit Peter to give him a clue to nudge him in the right direction out of kindness (I guess, it's hard to explain)....he did it because he wanted to prevent what he had already lived through....does that make any sense whatsoever?  I know what  I am thinking I just can't word it properly darn it!  What I am trying to say is that Hiro wasn't  trying to ensure a certain future, he was trying to prevent a certain future.

Quote from: Rico on May 01, 2007, 04:50:53 AM
WOW!  Last nights episode was just great.  It reminded me so much of several X-Men comics I have read. 

Yes!  The writers of this show certainly borrowed alot from the X-Men comic series, especially the "Days of Future Past."  It's amazing how a two issue story arc in the X-Men comic so dramatically influenced that series.  You can definitely see its influence in the plotline of Heroes.

Yeah Heroes does tend to pull from alot of comic sources but I think they tweak them enough to make them there own. What do you guys think?

I'm fine with them using other things as inspiration.  And really, time travel, super powers, heroes has been done for a long, long time.  Unless Peter suddenly has claws pop out of his hands and starts calling everyone "bub", then I'm ok with it.  I keep thinking about Linderman and how he said that the bomb going off in NY would be a good thing to unite the people of Earth, etc.  So the fact that if the heroes stop this, the future might even be worse.  A classic paradox and difficult decision to make.  Sacrifice thousands to save maybe millions or even billions.  Interesting stuff.

Quote from: Rico on May 03, 2007, 05:51:10 AM
I keep thinking about Linderman and how he said that the bomb going off in NY would be a good thing to unite the people of Earth, etc. 

Hitler wanted a United Germany.

Ceasar wanted a United Europe under Roman Rule.

Gehngis Khan wanted to unite Asia under his warlords.

Unity is not always good....

Mr. O

(Noting that while I did evoke Hitler in an online debate, I would submit that the subject was broached by the Nazi references in the actual show to the genocide of all Specials as dangerous and therefore I do not believe I automatically must conceed all points and arguments though my evocation.)

Quote from: Rico on May 03, 2007, 05:51:10 AM
I'm fine with them using other things as inspiration. 

Oh I'm okay with it too.  I only wish the X-Men feature films had been one tenth as compelling as Heroes has been so far.  It's fine to take a good idea and change it to make something better out of it, it's a huge part of the creative process.

Quote from: MrOsterman on May 03, 2007, 06:17:35 AM

Quote from: Rico on May 03, 2007, 05:51:10 AM
I keep thinking about Linderman and how he said that the bomb going off in NY would be a good thing to unite the people of Earth, etc.

Hitler wanted a United Germany.

Ceasar wanted a United Europe under Roman Rule.

Gehngis Khan wanted to unite Asia under his warlords.

Unity is not always good....

Mr. O

(Noting that while I did evoke Hitler in an online debate, I would submit that the subject was broached by the Nazi references in the actual show to the genocide of all Specials as dangerous and therefore I do not believe I automatically must conceed all points and arguments though my evocation.)

Not wanting to get into a political debate, but unity under an autocratic dictator is not the type of unity I was implying.  For example, in the world of Star Trek you have unity in the United Federation of Planets.  But, those member worlds choose to join the UFP.  Unity isn't really unity if you are being told or forced to join up.

I was under the impression that in "Heroes" the unity might just be the people coming together to form a common good.  But, the future didn't really show things ended up that way.  Nathan/Sylar turned into a despot and wanted to control the people with powers.  But he seems to be pure, nasty evil anyway.  I guess there are many levels of unity, but being forced into something isn't really a united people.  At least in my view.

Quote from: Rico on May 03, 2007, 05:51:10 AM
  Unity isn't really unity if you are being told or forced to join up.

I was under the impression that in "Heroes" the unity might just be the people coming together to form a common good.  But, the future didn't really show things ended up that way. 

Well my working impression is that Linderman isn't nearly as benign as he seems and I would expect that his sense of "Unity" is unity of force not choice.  I get a very "bad" vibe off of him and can very much see him as a "we're all one.  Under my control".

I'm also finding his absense in this week as very curious.  Perhaps the Linderman Act was on "in rememberence" of Linderman when he died under mysteriouis circumstances, perhaps at the hands of Sylar.  I would think that Sylar as Nathan would not be comfortable taking orders from Linderman.....

Mr O

Wow what amazing thoughts.

As for the Unity comment.  I think that that may have simply been rhetoic so Nathan would agree to Linderman's plan.  I mean anyone running for a government office wouldn't mind if someone said they'll make him President.  Linderman was playing to Nathan's vanity.

You have to wonder though, if nathan had been President the whole time, what things would be different?  Maybe the world would be united in a possitive way.

Oh YES!  That was the most amazing episode yet.  Now, a few thoughts and questions...
I'm a bit confused, maybe because I watched the episode late, brain tired and all...but in the future, FH (Future Hiro) tells Hiro and Ando that he tried to kill Sylar but was unsuccessful because Sylar killed Claire and got her power, yet, we see Claire in that future?  Huh?

Now the killing of Sylar.  The new "Special" that will be in next episode is Molly (I believe is her name), and we all remember her from very early in the series as the little girl that was hiding in the closet that Parkman "talked" to.  Why was Sylar there?  He killed everyone but Molly got away.  I'm thinking Molly was the target.  She has a very special power, maybe one that can block other powers or maybe even confuse or stall them.  That's why Sylar was after her.  What a tremendous power to have.  So, in Issacs comic, we only see Hiro thrusting his Katana into Sylar and what looks like Sylar in much pain, like he's dying.  Well, maybe what we don't see, what's on the facing page is Molly blocking Sylars power long enough for Hiro to deliver the fatal blow.

Peter's scar...lots of questions about that one.  In the future we see a very impressive scar on Peters face, but why?  He has Claires regeneration.  My thoughts...Peter (in the future) was the bomb.  I believe that one.  He thought because he blew up he caused the deaths of a great many people he cared for and a great many others.  This weighed very heavily on Peter.  So, maybe he is able to control what heals completely and what doesn't so decided to leave the scar because he NEVER wants to forget...kind of a tribute or memorial if you will. 

Just my thoughts.  Thanks---Al

Also my thoughts of Peter being the Bomb is a bad Idea, If he will blow up NO MATTER WHAT I would get some guys to fly him (on a airplane) in the middle of no where make him fall off the plane and as soon as he blows up catch  him or have a huge trampoline for him to fall in (that would be so loony toons he-he)

CFM, I was wondering that about Claire, too. I like your speculations, especially about the scar. Unfortunately, I wonder whether or not Heroes is as well thought out as that, like they just wanted him to look bad ass, so they gave him a scar and black clothes to show how much he's changed, and when they change the future, they don't have to worry about answering those questions.

But maybe not.

There is a really good article in Entertainment Weekly.. also there are five different covers with Heroes characters on them. I have attached an awesome picture from the magazine.. just wish I had a bigger version. Anyways check out the article. There is some minor spoilers about May 7th episode but I don't think it spoils anything.

Here it is, folks â€" the battle royal we've been waiting for. In one corner: Hiro Nakamura, the time-stopping, samurai-sword-wielding comic-book nerd from Tokyo. In the other: Sylar, the watchmaker-turned-mutant serial killer destined to become the shape-shifting tyrant president of a genocidal dystopian America. It's a titanic collision of good versus evil, hero versus villain, and, yes, geek versus geek, and it's about to get under way on a Los Angeles soundstage...right after Sylar's mommy gets done stabbing her son to death. Just another day in the land of Heroes, NBC's cult-pop smash about an imperiled planet bursting at the genetic seams with superpowered peeps. Here, inside an ersatz New York apartment, work is proceeding on the three-part season finale, which begins airing on May 7. Looking more Beaver Cleaver than Hannibal Lecter with his severely parted hair and homely sweater, Zachary Quinto is rehearsing a scene in which Sylar confesses to his mother (Ellen Greene) that he has a nasty habit of murdering others of his freaky new ilk. (He spares her the part where he might be eating their brains, too.) Naturally, Mom is disappointed, so she grabs a knife and tries to gut him. The actors struggle â€" then they freeze. The physical universe has ground to a halt. It's Hiro time.

Slipping into the scene, Masi Oka withdraws his sword from its sheath and prepares to bring it down on Quinto's head. Does the noble hero have the stones to decapitate a defenseless, time-paused soul, even one as nasty as Sylar? ''I'm sorry,'' says Oka. Then, breaking character: ''Don't worry. It's not sharp.'' Quinto, steely brown eyes unflinching, doesn't laugh. His response: ''Bring it.''

As for what happens next â€" well, Sylar advises us not to reveal. And since this reporter likes his brain where it is, he'll comply. But it's intense. In fact, judging from the three days (covering all three episodes) that EW spent on the Heroes set, it is safe to say that the whole season-ending sweep blazes with intensity â€" an appropriately urgent pitch to a marvelously madcap season that has seen the series nudge aside Lost and 24 as the standard for serialized storytelling. Here's Hayden Panettiere, waving away offers of a stunt double as she runs and vaults through a fake window â€" the front end of a stunt that will send her indestructible cheerleader Claire out of a skyscraper and leave her splattered on the sidewalk. Here are Ali Larter (the schizoid superwoman Niki/Jessica) and Leonard Roberts (the walk-through-walls ex-con D.L.) flooded with emotion over being repeatedly manipulated by an underworld puppet master, Mr. Linderman (Malcolm McDowell). And here's the behind-the-scenes ringleader of this fantastic flying circus, Heroes creator Tim Kring, sauntering onto the set just minutes after writing the final sentence of the season's final episode, in which the show's sprawling, far-flung cast of next-gen X-Men will finally come together Super Friends-style in an attempt to save New York from being torched by a human A-bomb. ''The fifth act is ridiculous,'' chuckles the 49-year-old Kring. ''It's like a $90 million movie. It's just...big.''

Yep: Stakes are high. And not just in the  kind of way, either. The finale â€" right down to its eye-popping last scene â€" sets the stage for a second season designed to expand the show's creative horizons and commercial potential even further. The cast of Heroes will proudly tell you that they feel like they're riding a wave of change that is transforming television. Unfortunately for some, that wave is about to crash. There's a wall in Heroes HQ dotted with photos of dead characters (Isaac, Simone, Eden...) under a banner that reads ''In loving memory.'' Expect a face or two to be added soon. ''I thought I was signing up for a show called Heroes,'' says Adrian Pasdar, whose morally shaky politico Nathan Petrelli will make a choice in the finale that will affect the destinies of every character on the show. ''I didn't know I was going to wind up on Survivor.''

Every week at www.comicbookresources.com they talk with the writers of Heroes.. Here was a interesting question and answer.. this is for all your Charlie and Hiro lovers.

Janet Ordiway wrote in again this week and started with, "First, tell the writers they are fantastic, amazing, gifted geniuses! This episode was amazing ! Best one yet!" You've already done so, Janet. She wanted to know a bit more about something you guys announced at Wizard World LA, that there'd be a book published this summer called "Saving Charlie" that explains the story of what happened between Hiro and Charlie during the six months he spent with her in the past. Janet wanted to know if there's word on when this will be released and if there were other details you could share.

Well Dammit Janet, thanks so much for the kind words. It was a labor of love and we couldn't be happier that it got such a reception with the fans.

As for “Saving Charlie,” we've got a publishing house and an author. Someone we hope to announce soon that will knock this story out of the park. We're hoping we can make an announcement by ComiCon as to a publishing date.

Here's another questions that got me excited.

Mike Moyle writes in more with a statement than with a question. "Two words: Action figures." Any possibilities of a Hiro action figure one day?

Yes. We are actively pursuing it (we hear of meetings at NBC every week), but have yet to lock down specifics. We'll let you know as soon as we do.

Tonight is the beginning (part1) of what they are calling the three-part finale.  I can't wait to see it but then again once it's over will have to wait all summer for it's return, it was bad enough waiting seven weeks with there last break.

But at least we have Doctor Who, SG1, and a host of other shows to keep our Sci-fi edge, so we can dive back into Heroes as soon as it debuts next season!

I'm pretty excited, though, because I like when things "end". I'm enjoying the fact that there is a definitive ending to this story line (as far as I've heard, anyway).

I enjoyed tonight's episode.. it was more of a setup episode for the next and last episode.

So Linderman, The Company, Mr. Nakamora and Mrs Petrelli are all in it together.. can't wait to find out more.

Glad to see Claire reunited with her father HRG.

We knew Ted was going to met up with Peter.. glad it finally happened.

I wonder what's up with Linderman and his obsession with  DL, Niki and Micah. 

I wonder if Hiro will go through with it? He could have killed Sylar but chickened out. I think Ando will be the one that kills Sylar but dies while doing it.

I also think Peter will blow up.. but at the last minute Nathan will grab him and fly into the sky where he can't harm anyone.. but this will kill Nathan..  just my guess.

Oh and Micah is defiantly in New York to rig the voting machines so Nathan wins.

And I'm glad we got to see Molly Walker again... can't wait for her to use her power.

Anyways can't wait till next Monday for the second to last episode.

What's everyones theories on what will happen at the end???

Well, pretty sure Molly is the "tracking device" HRG, Parkman and Ted are going to attempt to destroy.  We've seen all the clues to that one.  I think that maybe one of two things for this:
1) She's the weapon the good guys will use to help defeat Sylar by having her find him (she'll get her power back)
2) The "cure" Suresh gave her isn't really something that will completely take away the mutation she has going on.  It may be something that will lie dormant and when Sylar absorbs her power, it'll switch off his abilities giving Hiro the opportunity to do the Ginsu knife of death trick.

Of course, as I've heard before, Sylar may escape death altogether this season.  Next season could be all about Hiro tracking Sylar and trying to stop him...Al

Oh for sure Molly is what "tracking device" HRG was talking about.. he kept calling the the Walker system and her name is Molly Walker. There is no doubt that they are going after her. I'm still not sure how she will be able to stop Sylar other then to tell them where he is but as we have seen.  At this time Sylar is not that one that will explode.. but I guess will find out all the answers in the next few weeks.

I think that everyone will give each other a big hug at the end, and then they will have a picnic and sing a song.

But I've been wrong before....

Quote from: Locutus on May 09, 2007, 09:42:10 AM
I think that everyone will give each other a big hug at the end, and then they will have a picnic and sing a song.

But I've been wrong before....

LOL... that would be a surprise ending!!!!  :lol2

hehe. :)

Actually, I really think NY is gonna blow up. just like they saw. Sylar will get away, and next season they will form a "Justice League" of sorts, while Sylar gets some bad guys together, and we have a real "Challenge of the Superfriends" type of blowout to end next season. And I think that the end of this season will precipitate that.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 09, 2007, 09:44:12 AM

Quote from: Locutus on May 09, 2007, 09:42:10 AM
I think that everyone will give each other a big hug at the end, and then they will have a picnic and sing a song.

But I've been wrong before....

LOL... that would be a surprise ending!!!!  :lol2

lol yeah but Syler did get massivly creeped out if he was going to blow up. Who knows he maybe he will make ammends.

Well the power that be are calling Season Two: Generations and saying it will be more of an international/global season.

Really? Sweet! Maybe I'll be right for once!

Hey, I'm just glad a genre show I really enjoy, other than Lost, has stayed on the air for more than 10 episodes!

Yay, Heroes!

wooooooooo! he-he also i think i know why syler came evil, look at his mom!

Quote from: Locutus on May 09, 2007, 09:51:17 AM
Really? Sweet! Maybe I'll be right for once!

Hey, I'm just glad a genre show I really enjoy, other than Lost, has stayed on the air for more than 10 episodes!

Yay, Heroes!

I'm with you Loc....seems like all the sci fi shows I love get cancelled.. last year it was Threshold, Invasion and Surface.

Oh yeah, Sylars mom is about a fry short of a Happy Meal! This is one of the shows that I never miss...Although it is quite familiar (taking some functional ideas from X-Men and others) it's still very captivating.  Of course, not as captivating as Rico!  :)

Good show last Monday.  A setup for things to come.  As far as predictions....

- I don't think NY will blow up, but this might make the future worse in a way.
- I'm hoping Sylar is stopped and killed somehow.  Keep in mind the big thing was to save the cheerleader so Sylar couldn't get her power.  If he gets her power, he will be pretty much unstoppable.
- I'm not sure why Peter is having so much trouble controlling the nuclear/Ted guys power?  Ted's power seems to need more control to keep it in check.
- I think at least one of the main heroes will die.  Peter's the likely one, but who knows.

Been a great run this year, can't wait to see how it all turns out.

Quote from: Rico on May 09, 2007, 10:07:29 PM

- I'm hoping Sylar is stopped and killed somehow.  Keep in mind the big thing was to save the cheerleader so Sylar couldn't get her power.  If he gets her power, he will be pretty much unstoppable.

But don't forget that in the future, Claire is alive, the bomb went off, and everything sucks for the heroes. So, somewhere down the line, they DID save the cheerleader, but it didn't help.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 09, 2007, 09:56:56 AMI'm with you Loc....seems like all the sci fi shows I love get cancelled.. last year it was Threshold, Invasion and Surface.

EEsh.....my wife is still horribly bitter about Surface and the fact they left it on a cliffhangar......sore subject to say the least.

As for this weeks episode.....great as always but it really left me wanting....for the next 2 episodes.  I'm with Jen I think Peter dies....IF they stop the bomb.

A question....have we seen an "Iceman" type character?  Is it one that Sylar has already killed.  He had the power in the future then the painting alluded to one but.....With the show going 8 episodes , 5 week break, 8 episodes, 5 week break etc. (or whatever it is ) I tend to forget what powers Sylar has "acquired".

I can't see Peter dying. Even if he gets something jabbed in his head.. all they have to do is pull it out.  Ted almost exploded in HRG's house and was fine. So Peter exploding wouldn't kill him.  I still think it's going to be Nathan that dies when he decides to fly Peter over the Atlantic as he is exploding. Nathan loves his brother and I can't see him going through with what Linderman and Mama Petrelli want. There is still good in him.. I can feel it!!! :)

As for Sylar and his freezing abilities... he had that in episode two when Matt whet to the Walker's house and found the mom pinned to the wall with forks and the Dad frozen at the dining table with his head split open.  So Sylar got that power off camera and before we were introduced to him.

Did we ever see what was in the gun? For all we now it is a Dart gun and besides remember Ted he got knocked out and he stoped blowing up that or syler is going to jump in somehow take Ted's power and try blow up and some how defusing Peter I just hope no one dies it would be cool if they became handycaped like Professer X or maybe have to live in life support like Vader.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 10, 2007, 08:48:18 AM
As for Sylar and his freezing abilities... he had that in episode two when Matt whet to the Walker's house and found the mom pinned to the wall with forks and the Dad frozen at the dining table with his head split open.  So Sylar got that power off camera and before we were introduced to him.

Man! Good Memory! I am duly impressed!

Quote from: Locutus on May 10, 2007, 09:35:48 AM

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 10, 2007, 08:48:18 AM
As for Sylar and his freezing abilities... he had that in episode two when Matt whet to the Walker's house and found the mom pinned to the wall with forks and the Dad frozen at the dining table with his head split open.  So Sylar got that power off camera and before we were introduced to him.

Man! Good Memory! I am duly impressed!

:) I'm a huge fan.. I read all the websites, comics and anything I can for Heroes. I even applied for employment  for Primatech Paper (HRG business), but was declined. They said I didn't have what they were looking for. I also get texts messages from Hana (Internet girl). I do all the Heroes stuff online.. it's lot of fun.

I bow to your supreme Heroes Geekiness! I tried to do the same thing for Lost, but got, well, Lost in all the separate websites, etc.

Entertainment Weekly is doing a huge Heroes spread as well as five different covers this week. Supposely the covers have clues to the season finale. Take a look. Of course being the geek that I am I got all five covers.

Second cover..

Here's the third cover.

Fourth Cover

And finally the fifth cover.

Well  if you can't wait till next Monday, CBR has three one mintue clips of the next episode of Heroes. The first two are kind of spoilery and the third one brought a tear to my eye.  Can't wait for Monday.. never thought I would say that... I enjoy my weekends but many sometime I wish they would end so I can see Heroes Monday night.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10518

The covers actually look like you could line them side by side and the background picture would be complete.  There is a small picture on the bottom left of the first cover that is a bit hard to make out (too me anyway)....I don't know...just grasping at straws.

The cover 5 of 5 is creepy in the way of people will get ideas that Mr. L knows Syler and/or they are realted or friends or something!

Quote from: Darth Gaos on May 11, 2007, 09:32:26 AM
The covers actually look like you could line them side by side and the background picture would be complete.  There is a small picture on the bottom left of the first cover that is a bit hard to make out (too me anyway)....I don't know...just grasping at straws.

That's a good eye Darth... you are suppose to lay out the cover side and side and they make one big picture.

Quote from: Darkmolerman on May 11, 2007, 09:38:16 AM
The cover 5 of 5 is creepy in the way of people will get ideas that Mr. L knows Syler and/or they are realted or friends or something!

Well we don't know if they are working together.. I mean Linderman does what the explosion to happen, and if Hiro didn't change the past Sylar would be the one who exploded.. plus I think the fifth cover are the "bad guys" cover.

oh....funny usually that would involve fire or something

Great idea Darth-

so here we go.

here is the smaller version, and then click on the link for the big picture
(http://www.christrocks.com/forum/heroestogethersmall.jpg)

http://www.christrocks.com/forum/heroestogether.jpg (http://www.christrocks.com/forum/heroestogether.jpg)

I wonder if they will not be able to prevent the bomb from going off.  Hiro has already failed at changing the past with the death of Charlie so who knows.

The covers look great together but I still have 2 questions:
1.  What is the photo of in the lower left corner of cover #1?
2.  Is that a crystal ball in lower left corner of cover #5?

Ideas, thoughts, conjecture?

Quote from: Darth Gaos on May 11, 2007, 12:25:30 PM
I wonder if they will not be able to prevent the bomb from going off.  Hiro has already failed at changing the past with the death of Charlie so who knows.

The covers look great together but I still have 2 questions:
1.  What is the photo of in the lower left corner of cover #1?
2.  Is that a crystal ball in lower left corner of cover #5?

Ideas, thoughts, conjecture?

Well I can't tell what the picture is.. but the crystal ball thing is a SNOW GLOBE.

The photo is a picture of the plaza in New York where they were all standing at the end of the last episode. Can't tell too much more than that, though.

Snow Globe.....Duh, sorry, it's been a long week.  Do you think there is any significance beyond what happened last week?

Oka: Heroes Finale Is The Bomb

Masi Oka, who plays the time-traveling Hiro in NBC's Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming season finale will have a resolution of the first season and a cliffhanger in the last three minutes that will lead directly into season two. "I think it's great the way the finale ends," Oka said in an interview May 10 at the Saturn Awards in Universal City, Calif., where he was honored for best supporting actor in a television series. "It's a wrapping up of volume one, which is [called] 'Genesis.' And it wraps up the whole bomb storyline. So it's a nice finale, and there's a great cliffhanger with everybody, I would say. And you do get to see a little bit of volume two, which is called 'Generations.'"

Oka also talked about the return of guest star George Takei, who plays his father on the show and has some involvement with the mysterious O.W.I., or Organization Without Initials. "It's going to be pretty fantastic," Oka said of the next episode, titled "Landslide." "[Takei is] there, and we get a little bit of a training montage, like a Karate Kid thing. ... He might be part of the O.W.I. We don't know. The whole O.W.I. could be something bigger than we think. And as I say, volume two is called 'Generations.' What does that mean? Does that mean the past? There's going to be some more things with generations of other families, or is it generations in terms of years? Eras? Who knows?"

As for the final episode, Oka said it was a difficult shoot, but the efforts of the cast and crew paid off in the end. "The big finale has been amazing because we had a lot of long nights," he said. "Because of the location, we had to shoot overnight. So we'd have 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. day after day after day. It was tough on the crew, tough on the cast. ... But it's going to be fantastic. The finale's going to be the bomb. Literally and metaphorically." Heroes airs Mondays at 9 p.m. ET/PT. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.)

Two more minute preveiws of the next episode. If you can wait.. good for you.. if not enjoy. They are soooooooo goood.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10532

Hard to believe the season is over next week - Heroes, Lost, 24, Numbers (one of my favorite shows - more nerdy then scifi)

This is going to be one of the longest summers in a while.   Last time like this ?  Cliffhanger for Best of Both Worlds.

Season is not over next week.  All those shows have two more weeks I think Mark (not sure about Numbers, but the others have more than one week left).

Summer Plans for NBC’s “Heroes”

A week from Monday, the freshman hit “Heroes” leaves the airwaves for the summer hiatus. Hopefully, NBC will repeat the entire series to expose new fans to the hit drama. But that does still leave a long stretch of no new episodes for fans of the show.

How can the show stay in the hearts and minds of the fans while off for the summer?

NBC will launch an original Web series, “Inside Heroes,” based on its freshman hit drama, Heroes, May 21 on NBC.com. The site will include include Heroes Character Profiles. Inside Heroes will be an eight-part series which will go behind-the-scenes to look at the show’s production process.
The goal is to keep the series in the forefront for viewers throughout the summer.

“Fans of Heroes don’t need to wait until next season to enjoy their favorite show,” said Vivi Zigler, executive vice president of NBC Digital Entertainment and New Media. “Being able to interact with rich content all summer long is fun for the user and helps us keep the show brand top of mind.”

The online series will look at various components of the showâ€"visual effects, music, wardrobe, stunts, make-up, artwork, and catering for the cast.

The Character Profiles will look at individual characters’ story lines from the beginning of this season, allowing fans to either catchup or jump into the series.

The Heroes online, graphic novel will also continue this summer with new chapters. That is being written by comic book authors Joe Kelly, Duncan Rouleau, Steven T. Seagle and Joe Casey.

More Heroes... I like this idea!!!

NBC Orders Second Heroes Series

NBC announced that it has ordered six segments of a new series called Heroes: Origins, which will air in the main show's Monday-night time slot when it goes on hiatus, Variety reported.

The new series will center on new characters that haven't yet been introduced on the original show, and will feature an interactive element. Viewers will have a chance to vote for their favorite character, who will later cross over to the regular Heroes.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 14, 2007, 10:45:01 AM
Summer Plans for NBC’s “Heroes”

The online series will look at various components of the showâ€"visual effects, music, wardrobe, stunts, make-up, artwork, and catering for the cast.

Catering! lol

"Well, this is a sandwich, and, occasionally, the actors like to eat them. We also have doughnuts, some of these chocolate, raisiny things, and coffee."

"Tune in next episode, when we look at how the cast get their dry cleaning!" lol

Well I just got a call on my cell phone from Nathan Petrelli... it's one of those campaign calls... Vote Petrelli you can get more info at votepetrelli.com

Wow if you go to this webpage, Hana interrupts the page.. they are putting alot of work in to this stuff... it's awesome.

Hana? you mean the place or some person?

Hana is the woman with the power to send and receive wireless messages.. she can use the internet without a computer.

Oh...isen't the name Hannah and the place Hana?

Well I'm sure you can spell names many different ways... she happens to spell it Hana.

oh...thats odd. I love her abilty.

Just watched Landslide.  Some great scenes with everyone.   Next week is going to be AWESOME.  I think I will tape Today show for about a week.  They have had some good cast interviews in the past.  Whatever happened to disappearing (Doc Who) man ?   I know they caught him but is he dead ?

OMG!!!!!!!!!!! There was so many OMG moments. Talk about thinning out the cast. We lose Thomas (good riddance), Ted (saw this coming), Linderman (TOTALLY SHOCKED) and DL (which I'm not sure he's actually dead...yet). 

But wow what an episode. 

We learn that Candice is hiding her true appearance.
Nathan won the election with Micah's help, but I figured that's what Linderman wanted him for.
Peter and Claire on the run, talking about becoming superheros and wearing spandex... very funny.
Speaking of Peter he made Claire invisible too.. interesting.
Linderman healed Nathan's wife.. that was cool
Hiro and his dad fighting... you could see Hiro's confidence grow as he fought until he knew he could kill Sylar.
It was great to see Audrey again.
Niki fighting Jessica and winning.. that was great.
Monhinder and HRG standoff... I can't see HGR killing poor little Molly.
DL shoving his hand into Linderman's head... WOW
and of course the finale scene of Sylar looking at the city and flashing his hand and saying Boom!!!!

Can't wait to watch this episode again and catch more stuff.. can't wait till next week.. the previews look unbelievable.

Here's some of my take:

Not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of the bomb still going off.  I think this whole season has been about STOPPING the bomb and if it does go, I'll be disappointed.  Very Disappointed, actually.

I guess we all know what the Linderman Act is.  A law to protect other prominent people from specials so that no one else is hurt like that.

"I'm not wearing a cape".  Apparently Peter saw "The Incredibles" too.

I wonder if we'll ever see the TRUE Candice.

Mr. O

I thought Candice was killed with HRG man in Hiro's 5 year trip into the future ?  I figured whatever way she looked when she died would be her true form.  I doubt the bomb will go off.  I would also be disappointed.   Next week, I hope...

Hiro/Peter kill Sylar
Clair-bear is reunited with her family
Linderman stays dead (not sure with his power)
The healing of Nathan's wife will be revealed
Molly will not be killed
Suresh will head up the agency started by HRG man and the invisible guy
The inivisible guy comes back.
No one is wearing capes -- No capes
Get a glimpse into next season (this is pretty much a guarantee)

I think Sylar killed the invisible man, since when the FBI agent turned around, he was gone. But maybe he just killed the Flash or something, I mean, Really Fast Guy, faster than 10 fast men.

Well Peter says Syler hates crowds (from the episode homecoming (i think) so i guess he figured out doing that. Yeah i think DL will survive but then again i wish everyone will not die. If both Peter and Syler blow up then...oh boy...I think that Candice is actually really REALLY ugly or deformed or something that makes people tease her. (she says "Kid you are to young to know how screwed up the world is")

What I got from Candice was the fact that she is most likely very overweight because of the conversation with Micah.

Micah:  I had a friend that eats like you do....he's huge.
Candice:  So am I

Great episode....so much going on.......but it really came down to this......

Did anyone else actually cheer when HRG blew Eric Roberts head off?  I know I did...does that make me a bad person? ;)

I cannot wait until next week.

I don't recall cheering but HRG man scares me sometimes.   He turns on a dime from loving father to sadistic "John McClean" type killer.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.   Would love to see the Nielsens for next Monday.  I think Heroes will win the 9-10 spot beating out 24.   Don't kill me Mr. Bauer - I'm just the messenger - but when did that ever stop you ?

I cheered. I guess I'm a bad person too. ;)

Quote from: markinro on May 16, 2007, 08:53:05 AM
  Would love to see the Nielsens for next Monday.  I think Heroes will win the 9-10 spot beating out 24.   Don't kill me Mr. Bauer - I'm just the messenger - but when did that ever stop you ?

Hereos ratings have slipped slightly when Dancing with the Stars on ABC started... but it has always beaten 24, everytime.

Quote from: Darth Gaos on May 16, 2007, 08:46:49 AM
Did anyone else actually cheer when HRG blew Eric Roberts head off?  I know I did...does that make me a bad person? ;)

I cannot wait until next week.

I cheered he was very annoying! I hope the HRG vs.Mohinder becomes a plesent "non shoot out" conversation.

Hereos ratings have slipped slightly when Dancing with the Stars on ABC started... but it has always beaten 24, everytime.
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Are you frakkin kidding me......please, PLEASE tell me you are kidding....that is so pathetically sad and wrong to me.....now had it dipped whilst competing with America's Got Talent....well, that would be a different story altogether ;D

Yeah they actually lost viewer when they went on there seven week break... that is why NBC is doing the Heroes : Origins during the next season to try and hold on to viewers while the show is off.

Oh right on......So the Origins portion is going to run during a break?  That's cool

Here's the US commercial for the Season Finale

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Here's the Canadian commerical for the Season Finale

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aww man the Cnaidians get it before us (possibly)

Special tonight at 10pm on the TV Guide channel.    It will be a cast party for the finale on Monday.  Cast interviews and Hiro takes you on a tour of the sets

I finally had time to watch this week's episode.  WOW.  I don't even know what to think!

This is really a well written, well produced and stunning show.

Pretty Amazing.

Interview with entire cast...from 5/14.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=40a72cfe-b1eb-41d2-8039-30503a2c5c14&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18656966/&fg= (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=40a72cfe-b1eb-41d2-8039-30503a2c5c14&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18656966/&fg=)

Is the show still only one hour long tonight for the season finale?

I've seen it listed as 1 hour only.. but several stories have said it's a two hour finale. But I read on a Heroes website that it really is a three hour finale and it's broken into three one hours.  I would just plan on recording from 8 to 11 just to make sure you get the entire thing.

I am pretty sure the three hour thing was the fact that the last 3 episodes compose 1 direct arc.  At least I thought I read that somewhere.

Quote from: Darth Gaos on May 21, 2007, 08:53:10 AM
I am pretty sure the three hour thing was the fact that the last 3 episodes compose 1 direct arc.  At least I thought I read that somewhere.

Yep... so we are getting the last hour tonight... can't wait!!!!!

Quote from: markinro on May 21, 2007, 07:31:34 AM
Interview with entire cast...from 5/14.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=40a72cfe-b1eb-41d2-8039-30503a2c5c14&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18656966/&fg= (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=40a72cfe-b1eb-41d2-8039-30503a2c5c14&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18656966/&fg=)

This is a great interview, if your a fan watch it!

I have a weekly appt. every Monday.  Maybe I should cancel.   Kyle XY, Heroes and JACK.   What a lineup...but Kyle XY has a few weeks left.   Looks like a late night.

sorry that ive been away. but all i have to say

that was beautiful....

Okay just finished watching Heroes season finale.. have to watch it again tomorrow morning before work.

The final battle wasn't what I expect, we never got our huge Peter/Sylar battle but what we did get was.... WOW. 

If you look back I posted that I thought Nathan would fly Peter and scarfice himself to save everyone and I was right!!!!!

So many of our Heroes fates are unknown. Peter, Nathan, Candice, DL, Sylar and Matt.

So much happened in this episode I don't know where to start. I  think I will leave it here and watch it again tomorrow morning and post once I get another viewing.

This was by far the best series this past TV season.

I enjoyed it, but I really wanted a big battle. Maybe next season.

Yes, they did wait until the last possible second for the big batlle.  I loved how they all teamed up to help Peter.   Nikki/Jess ROCK.  Just tell me -- what was that scene with the manhole cover ?  I'm assuming Peter will live through the explosion with Claires power.  Hope Parkman lives - I like Grunberg ever since Alias.

OMG - Hero is just great.

I liked the finale and it was amazing, but I did feel it could of been a bit more.  I loved how everyone came together at the end - even Nathan.  But one thing kept nagging me - why didn't Peter just fly away on his own?  He picked up that power long ago from his brother.  Is Peter limited to using one power at a time?  So Nathan had to redeem himself and fly in to save the city.  It appears Sylar may have survived too - which is a typical comic book type influence.  The bad guys never seem to die.  I think the only hero who probably didn't survive was Nathan - but who knows.  I loved the little tease for next year's season.  Overall, my favorite new show this year by far!

Agree with everything posted so far....WOW.  I especially agree with Rico...great episode but a couple things nagged at me.  The first is the same as Rico...Peter's abilities, why could HE just not fly away or why could Claire not "kill" him which I assumed would take a minute or two to recover from while the meltdown dissapated?  I guess I am basically asking the same question as Rico...is there something about the powers that I am not getting.  The other thing that bothered me was Sylar not dying....I realize that super-villains don't die but a trail of blood to a sewer manhole?  Hello Captain Obvious.....was there maybe one hero or one cop that maybe noticed something like that......and what was with the bug.....or is a bug sometimes just a bug?

Other moments from last nights episode........A villain worse than Sylar that realizes when Molly is using her power.....VERY interesting.  And what was the deal with Peter and Charles (RIchard Roundtree)?  Was it a dream? A hallucination? Or is there something more to Peter?  Hiro teleporting back and coming face to face with Kensei (at least that is who I assumed it was).....the eclipse (finally)...the fate of Nathan and Peter (I personally think Peter is alive but Nathan truly sacrificed himself)....Parkman.
Final question......who will be around next season other than HIro?

Most definitely the best show this year...without question.

Quote from: Darth Gaos on May 22, 2007, 08:23:36 AM
Agree with everything posted so far....WOW.  I especially agree with Rico...great episode but a couple things nagged at me.  The first is the same as Rico...Peter's abilities, why could HE just not fly away or why could Claire not "kill" him which I assumed would take a minute or two to recover from while the meltdown dissapated?  I guess I am basically asking the same question as Rico...is there something about the powers that I am not getting.  The other thing that bothered me was Sylar not dying....I realize that super-villains don't die but a trail of blood to a sewer manhole?  Hello Captain Obvious.....was there maybe one hero or one cop that maybe noticed something like that......and what was with the bug.....or is a bug sometimes just a bug?

Okay first I'll address the cockroach, they have shown up here and there through out the series. They are more symbolic of "not dying" they can pretty much live through anything. So seeing the cockroach on the manhole symbolized that Sylar was not dead.

As for Claire shooting Peter... if she shot him she was going to shoot him in the head and damaged his brain and as they have hinted at somewhere in the brain is where the powers are controlled, he would have died. 

As for Peter flying away, they (the producers) have said that Peter uses his emotions to control his powers. That is why when he is upset his starts to go nuclear before he passed out. The next time he is going nuclear he is so scared that he's going to kill everyone that he can't control his powers... so he is unable to fly. 

At least those are my take on your issues.

Well I'll be the dissention.  I thought compared to what the writers and actors have brought us that this episode was one of the worst this season.

Compare this to "Company Man" where we saw the extreme lenghts that Bennet would go to protect Claire.  Compare those pulls on the viewers' heartstrings with what you felt at the end of the finale.  I thought it was great that Nathan was there to save the day but I didn't shed a tear for him.  I didn't even really blink.

The dialogue and pacing of that scene felt much more like "oh.. there's Nathan.  Go fig."

I agree with the assessment that Peter was in no way in control of his powers to fly out of there.  He did get pushed by Sylar to the bursting point as it were but....

Then of course there was something odd about the way Hiro attacked Sylar.  I mean he got pwnd in a major way back at Momma Sylar's, how'd he beat Sylar this time?

I think the story was very good, but the execution felt much more like something a smaller studio or a lesser show might have done.  This was a major let down for me and I've had two coworkers already say "It's just going to be another Lost; I'm done".

Dunno... I'll watch next season but this ending didn't leave me wanting more, it just left me.

Mr. O

I, for one, am glad that they did not kill Sylar. I hate when they kill off the bad guy at the end of these superhero movies (Batman, anyone?)

And what's wrong with it being another Lost? Lost to me is a tightly plotted, well-thought-out, intriguing, well-acted, and highly entertaining piece of fiction.  A show could do worse than be another Lost.

Quote from: MrOsterman on May 22, 2007, 09:16:27 AM
I think the story was very good, but the execution felt much more like something a smaller studio or a lesser show might have done.  This was a major let down for me and I've had two coworkers already say "It's just going to be another Lost; I'm done".

Well Mr. O I don't agree with what you said but it is just your opinion and we are all allowed to have those.

Even though I expected that Nathan was going to fly Peter way I got choked up with Claire said "There must be another way" and then Nathan flew in.  The acting was superb!!!! And Charles was right it was about Love, loved saved the world, Nathan's love for his brother.  I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I love every minute of it. The entire cast of Heroes fought against Sylar, Matt tried to shot him, Niki hit him with the meter, Hiro stabbed him, HRG (Noah, loved that) tried to shot him. They all came together when they needed to.

Of course as I have said I wish there was a bit more sfx battle between Sylar and Peter.. but there fight made sense, after all they are only human. 

I do have a question for your coworkers Mr. O ... they are willing to give up on an awesome series that has given us hours and hours of entertainment because they didn't like the last episode.  I'm not attacking your coworkers I have seen people say that on some Heroes boards also and just can't understand there thinking. Isn't that a bit childish.. "so the series didn't end like I wanted it to.. I'm taking my stuff and going home... pout... pout..."It just doesn't make sense. Anyways that's just my opinion.. and as I have said.. we are all allowed to have those.

I do think they should of actually explained on the show why it was that Peter couldn't fly away on his own.  It's nice that in articles, online, etc. that producers & writers explain things but they shouldn't really have to if they have done their job well.  One other thing.  They said many times during the episodes that Claire was the only one that could get near Peter if he started to "blow."  But in the finale Nathan just swoops in, picks him up and flies away.  Kind of a slip up I would say.  Still really enjoyed the episode, but I think they broke some of the "rules" they had been setting up all along.

I was never one for nitpicking episodes to death.. that's huge in the Star Trek world and it always bothered me. 

With a series like this there is a certain amount of suspension of disbelief (in case you don't know what this is. here is a definition... Suspension of disbelief refers to the alleged willingness of a reader or viewer to accept as true the premises of a work of fiction, even if they are fantastic, impossible, or contradictory. It also refers to the willingness of the audience to overlook the limitations of a medium, so that these do not interfere with the acceptance of those premises. According to the theory, suspension of disbelief is a quid pro quo: the audience agrees to provisionally suspend their judgment in exchange for the promise of entertainment.)

That last sentence is key here.. Heroes has been nothing but entertaining, I gladly suspend my judgment and the minor and I do mean minor flaws in some of the episodes.

Quote from: Rico on May 22, 2007, 10:01:53 AM
I do think they should of actually explained on the show why it was that Peter couldn't fly away on his own.  They said many times during the episodes that Claire was the only one that could get near Peter if he started to "blow."  But in the finale Nathan just swoops in, picks him up and flies away.  Kind of a slip up I would say.  Still really enjoyed the episode, but I think they broke some of the "rules" they had been setting up all along.

Who's to say they won't explain this in the second season... the story is far from over.

Although I agree in kind, Kenny, I do think the show is not beyond somne criticism. I really enjoy Heroes, but it's not perfect. I actually perfer it when folks enjoy a piece of entertainment and can also discuss it in a critical way. I don't think that's nitpicking and makes for a good discussion. I actully get more annoyed with effusive, gushing, unbriddled praise, there's always room for improvement. Besides, if we all just agreed we wouldn't be a community....we would be a cult! ;)

Quote from: Rico on May 22, 2007, 10:01:53 AM
I do think they should of actually explained on the show why it was that Peter couldn't fly away on his own.  It's nice that in articles, online, etc. that producers & writers explain things but they shouldn't really have to if they have done their job well.  One other thing.  They said many times during the episodes that Claire was the only one that could get near Peter if he started to "blow."  But in the finale Nathan just swoops in, picks him up and flies away.  Kind of a slip up I would say.  Still really enjoyed the episode, but I think they broke some of the "rules" they had been setting up all along.

IMHO -- They might've mentioned this in an episode, but it got cut for time. A throw away line that they couldn't fit into the episode. I don't know, but it sounds like they had too much story to tell and were limited by the medium. I just figured he was so focussed on controlling the reaction, that he couldn't focus on anything else.

As far as Nathan flying him away; when Ted went nuclear, there were other people there, just Claire is the only one who could get close enough without dying, and I think that's what's important. Nathan sacrificed himself. Claire would not have, she would have been fine. Anyone could have gotten close to Peter until he really started going up, and that's when Nathan stepped in.

Quote from: Bryancd on May 22, 2007, 10:25:30 AM
Although I agree in kind, Kenny, I do think the show is not beyond somne criticism. I really enjoy Heroes, but it's not perfect. I actually perfer it when folks enjoy a piece of entertainment and can also discuss it in a critical way. I don't think that's nitpicking and makes for a good discussion. I actully get more annoyed with effusive, gushing, unbriddled praise, there's always room for improvement. Besides, if we all just agreed we wouldn't be a community....we would be a cult! ;)

I agree with you 100% Bryan, I like discussing episodes or movies and sometime just take the opposite opinion just to get a little argument going.   :biggrin

Quote from: Bryancd on May 22, 2007, 10:25:30 AM
Besides, if we all just agreed we wouldn't be a community....we would be a cult! ;)

What's wrong with being in a cult? Hail, Xenu!

I'm surprised it wasn't a 2 hour finale but maybe they will open the season with 2 hours.   All I have heard is the first 3 minutes of next year will be the last 3 minutes of the finale.   This is one of those times Hero's power would come in real handy.  I hate waiting.

Don't get me wrong Kenny - I enjoyed the episode and I'm trying to not nitpick.  Just wish a bit more was there to answer a few things.  I'm sure they will have more answers and even new questions next year.  It's just several months away.  In the meantime, we will just have some fun speculating a bit.  ;)

I hear ya Rico and I wasn't complaining about you or anyone critiquing the show.  I was on the Heroes boards all last night and it's a love it or hate it episode. I just got tired of reading everyone's complaints (some very valid) and then I come here and more complaints and I snapped :wacko I guess it's easier for people to complain about something then say what they liked.  I wonder why that is.. I guess it's just human nature to complain.  :biggrin

Edit!!! I just realized how ironic this post is.. It's me complaining about complaining... okay I'll shut up now!!  :old_bash:

One thing I always try to do is just let others have their opinion.  Usually you won't be able to change it anyway.  I usually talk about these things because sometimes I think I might of missed some clue in an episode or past shows that would answer some of my questions and I'm hoping someone might of caught something.  I think we still all agree here it's definitely a very fun TV show.

(OK, time for some sort of distraction to calm the nerves ...)

KEYS everyone! Look at the shiny keys!

Last time I remember this much talk/speculation like this was at the end of Matrix Reloaded.  So glad we have all these summer shows to pass the time and of course -- WoW.  :boxing

Okay so some additional thoughts:

First, any TV show requires one major investment and it's in the most precious of resources:  Time.

If I watch the entire run of Heroes next season I'm looking at 24 hours of my life (if I watch with commercials) given up to this form of entertainment.  If at the end of those 24 hours I'm left feeling unsatisfied with the investment then I'm going to be ... annoyed.

Why would anyone stop watching a TV show becuase they didn't like the ending?  Simply put becuase they don't feel they got their "Time's" worth out of it.  It's like getting to the end of a novel and going "Eh? That's how it ends?".  Then your friend comes up and says "Oh!  You gotta read the next book in the series, it explains it all!"  Why?  You didn't like how this one ends.  Why make the investment.

Now we love the show and we'll watch it no matter what, but I understand people feeling that 1 hour a week is precious time.  For a teacher that's an hour of lesson planning (I don't do good planning while watching the tube), or for a parent that's a hour reading to their kid.  While 9-10 is probably after most kids are in bed... you get my drift.

I also have to agree with Rico on the "tell the full story; don't rely on the web/ interviews/ commentaries to do it for you".  I love commentaries and I find the Kiera Knightly one for Pirates I to be the funniest thing I've ever listened to.  But when people say "It doesn't make sense without the commentary" then I see that as a short coming on the part of the writers.

I think the story worked but I honestly didn't *believe* that Nathan was there to sacrfice himself.  I simply couldn't not suspend my disbelief because it felt out of character for him and we saw nothing shifting him to this new outlook on life and death.  I think it was a great plot twist but I would have prefered to have cut the scene with Charles and given us some time to see a conflicted Nathan.  Maybe we didn't see him tell his mother "no, I'm going after him" but at least put the seed in our mind.

*shrug*  To each their own, and as you said, opinions are opinions (I've been the dissenting voice around these parts before).

I'll give it another season but I'm not sure I'm going to be glued to my set next time like I was here.

Mr. O

Quote from: MrOsterman on May 22, 2007, 02:03:30 PM

I think the story worked but I honestly didn't *believe* that Nathan was there to sacrifice himself.  I simply couldn't not suspend my disbelief because it felt out of character for him and we saw nothing shifting him to this new outlook on life and death.  I think it was a great plot twist but I would have preferred to have cut the scene with Charles and given us some time to see a conflicted Nathan.  Maybe we didn't see him tell his mother "no, I'm going after him" but at least put the seed in our mind.

Did you really not see the signs that there was a major fight going on in Nathan's head on what to do... it was clear as day for me, especially at the end when Claire, Mama Petrelli and Nathan were in his office and Claire gave her speech before jumping out of the window. You could see it in his eyes the struggle that was going on. That's one thing I love about Heroes.. the inner struggles most of the characters have. Nathan went from not so nice guy to being a good guy back to being a not so nice guy and finally scarficing himself to save the person he loved.  Nothing is every black and white in the Heroes world.. things are more of a shade of gray.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 22, 2007, 02:15:35 PM

Quote from: MrOsterman on May 22, 2007, 02:03:30 PM

I think the story worked but I honestly didn't *believe* that Nathan was there to sacrifice himself.

Did you really not see the signs that there was a major fight going on in Nathan's head on what to do... it was clear as day for me, especially at the end when Claire, Mama Petrelli and Nathan were in his office and Claire gave her speech before jumping out of the window.

*shrug*  Yeah I saw those scenes but when Nathan showed up I was thinking more "oh, what a quaint way to end this story arc" and not "Yes!  Nathan finally does right by everyone!"  Perhaps it's because the dialogue was so understated there.  Perhaps it's becuase there wasn't enough build up.  I dunno.  If I knew how to write so that 100% of people "got it" then I wouldn't be teaching math or still writing a physics final this late in the afternoon.

For me there was something missing in the ending.  A sense of urgency?  A sense of finality?  A sense of high tension?  I can't put my finger on it, but something was just.... off.

Again I look at previous episodes like "Company Man" or "5 Years Gone" (yes I know 5 years later they have better power control) and compare it to this "ending" and think... meh.

I think I can best put it this way:

This finale was like the end of a chapter, not a novel.  Or the end of a chapter in a story that was definetly part of a series of novels.  The problem with that is if you don't give *enough* closure people don't tough it out see/read the next book/volume/ season.  I know a lot of people who weren't Tolkien fans didn't like the ending of Fellowship of the Ring because it was so open ended.  As a fan I knew there was more to come and that LotR should be judged as a complete work (all three movies) not as 3 seperate movies.

Mr O

I read this guys Blog every week, here is his last one for this season.

Blog for Greg Beeman, Director/Producer of the NBC television show "Heroes".

There you have it 23 episodes of HEROES. Wow. What a long strange trip it’s been. Everyone else who works with me on the show will agree that it has been one of the hardest and most creatively satisfying experiences of our professional careers.

The fans frequently sight that the show looks like a mini-feature every week. That is a great compliment to all of us. But, as you can imagine, it’s not easy to do that. The sheer logistics of doing this series have been quite challenging mentally and physically.

So, while you guys may have to wait 3 months or so for the next installment, let me encourage you with the following news: First we here at HEROES are already all back at work. Episode 1 is being written as we speak and we begin shooting episode 1 in about 1 short month. I have heard the writers pitch out the story lines for the next season and lemme tell you they are freakin’ awesome. There are new characters. New powers. Some of the characters you have come to know and love, in fact, DID die last night. And ALL those who survive will be moving on in new and unexpected directions. We are all ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED to not repeating ourselves next season â€" but in bringing you a freshly conceived show. Also, the reason we are beginning so early is that we are all committed to long runs of the show next year with very few, and very short hiatuses. We don’t want to be off the air with new episodes for 5 or 6 weeks anymore.

Also, the DVD will be out on August 28th and it will be loaded with lots of extras. We have been working on many of those extras for several months already.

OK â€" that’s it. As for me, my blog will go dark for a couple of months. But this season, my plan is to come back online a few times before we air, to fill you in on what’s developing, and maybe to answer some questions you have. I’m sure the official NBC site and Herosite.net will alert you when new blogs are up.

Wow...that sounds great

New heroes, new powers, new storylines - excellent.

I guess all those people who claim this is just a rip off of the Watchmen will have to start singing a new tune. (For the record, I do not think it was a rip off of the watchmen. I am not an Alan Moore fan.)

NBC’s number one show “Heroes,” is over for this season but the network has already announced the introduction of four new heroes for the fall season of the program. Claire, played by Hayden Panettiere will be returning for the second season, and the cheerleader will finally get a boyfriend with his own unique powers. Additional cast members will include an Irish mobster, young black woman who will end up being a substitute mother for Niki’s son Micah (Noah Gray-Cabey), and a young Latino woman. All will be heroes of a type, but will be appearing in non-lead roles.

CBR website posts a Q&A every week with two of the writers of Heroes. I read them everyweek and since this is there last one and it answers questions about the finale I figured I would post the entire things.. it's long but a good read. check it out...

David Campbell starts out this final Season One BTE with a question about the music on the show. "There seems to be musical themes assigned to certain characters that play over the episode's score. The most notable: Hiro, Mohinder and Sylar. Sylar has his ominous ticking and a bell melody (first heard in "Six Months Ago," I think), Mohinder has his little five-note piano melody we saw in the first episode, and Hiro's theme seems to be the theme of this show. Do any other characters have 'theme songs?'"

It’s great that David is noticing the subtle, but difficult work it takes to create a mood for each character. One of the many ways we try to do this is in the score. The one that most people notice is “Claire’s Theme.” It’s that kind of wistful piano with the voice of Shankar behind it. But, everyone has their own theme. When you all buy the DVD in August â€" you can replay and listen for yourselves.

August can't get here soon enough! Scott Tindall wants to know what you think of more real world comics. "We know you guys have talked about publishing the online graphic novel and a possible manga adaption, but what about an ongoing monthly comic book series that follows one unified storyline? Would you consider that overkill? Me personally, I see the dollar signs, gentlemen."

It’s not about overkill â€" it’s about manpower. At the moment â€" we’re writing season two, doing a web-comic every week, plus creating games, trading cards, novels, action figures and a new series â€" "Origins." So the answer is, yes â€" we’d love to have an ongoing book. For the fans of the web-comics, you’ll notice this summer we have very special guest writers â€" Joe Kelly, Steve Seagal, Joe Casey and Duncan Rouleau.

We promise Scott isn't trying to kill you guys with more comics, he just loves himself some "Heroes."

Following up on a reveal you guys made last week, Christoph Jensen wants to know, "You guys said there's 'Heroes' manga to come â€" any other clues as to who from and when? Will it contain Japanese style art or will it be more westernized? And how will this be different than the online comics?"

Not sure yet. It’s in the early planning stages. When we know more â€" you will.

I think Victor from Brazil has a crush on Clea DuVall. "Any chance we can get Clea DuVall as a regular next season? Audrey and Parkman made a great team in this first volume of 'Heroes!'"

Clea will be pleased to hear it. We thought she was awesome. There are no immediate plans to see Agent Audrey Hanson AKA Clea Duvall next season â€" but you never know in the Heroes-verse.

Heroes-verse. We like that.

BriGuy is looking towards a future sans Linderman. "If Linderman is indeed dead, does that mean the end of Primatech Paper as an ongoing concern? Will another organization rush in to fill the void? Will HRG start his own company making Mr. Muggles plush toys?" We know how you guys love Mr. Muggles … we even had two questions this past week asking if he'll return for season two!

After hard and often sensitive negotiations, we are happy to announce that Mr. Muggles will be back for season two. While he worked last year for kibble, his agent was really pushing to up that to kibbles as well as bits. Without getting into the details, a compromise was reached.

Yes! Our prayers have been answered! Now if only we could get Mr. Muggles to blog …

Second of all, just because Linderman is dead, that doesn’t mean the company goes away. A lot will be revealed about the company in the very first episode of season two. Stay tuned.

The Ninth Doctor (ohh, very clever name there, Doc) says, "I have a theory on Kaito Nakamura's power. When Nathan is speaking with Linderman, when Linderman heals the plant he states that he knows 'a few things' about healing. When Hiro asks his father what he knows about killing, he also responds 'a few things.' Am I on to something?"

Nope. But, like the company above â€" you can expect some revelations about Nakamura-San in the very first episode of season two.

Pauul from the UK (yup, the letter u is twice in his name) wants to know, "Is it likely that in season 2, 'Generations,' or 'Origins' that we might see heroes with duplicate powers? It'd be interesting to explore the different ways different people react to possessing the same ability. Also as he is mentioned on the List, is it possible that in 'Generations' or 'Origins' that we might see the return of Amid Halebi (as played by Omid Abtahi) from the original pilot? And if he was reused would the 'Engineer' retain his radioactivity powers or be assigned a new ability?" For those not familiar with Amid Halebi, check out our interview with Tim Kring where he talks about the terrorist storyline that was ultimately excised from the pilot.

I think you can bet on seeing duplicate powers next season. And we loved Omid, so hopefully well see some more of Amid.

Pauul also asks, "Some fans have speculated that Lyle Bennet might be adopted like his sister. And since Claire was placed with HRG because she was an evolved human that Lyle may be one as well. Is this a storyline which the writers have considered?"

Nope.

Good try, Pauul.

Corporal Otter wants to do some "Heroes" sight seeing. "Where is the real 'Kirby Plaza?' Is that big, red spiral staircase sculpture a real place that fans might visit?"

We’re pulling back the curtain for you on this one, Corporal, and only because we respect the brave work you and other otters are doing overseas. The real Kirby Plaza is the Arco Plaza in Downtown Los Angeles. We picked it because of it’s NYC look and the DNA Sculpture was a huge bonus. In fact, if you go back (or forward) and look at Episode 20, you’ll see we thought ahead and a devastated version of the statue sits next to Nathan as he gives his Ground Zero speech.

OK, the next question is easily the most asked question concerning "How To Stop An Exploding Man." About 40 or 50 different people asked this, but Shaun was the first to ask. We think we know the answer to this, but we'll go straight to the experts on this to make sure. Shaun asks, "Was the fact that Nathan was needed to fly Peter away just done for dramatic effect since Peter has flight, too, or does this prove Peter only has access to one power at a time?"

It’s the later. Peter even says, “I can’t stop it. I can’t do anything.” Peter was helpless. There were two options. Kill Peter. Or Nathan could fly him away and try to save them all. Now, if Peter or Nathan survived and how â€" remains to be seen.

Jason Aiken wants some hints as to what's coming next for "Heroes." "This person who Molly fears worse than Sylar, it wouldn't happen to be the Haitian would it? He was really one of the only major players absent from the finale and he has those weird mental powers. If not him, is it someone we've met already or could she be referring to someone we haven't met?"

You will have to wait until next season Jason Aiken, but just because we love giving you some hints and spoilers â€" we can assure you it is not the Haitian.

A number of readers speculated that the big baddy could be the Haitian, so this will certainly get them thinking over the summer.

Wire-Framed Glasses (nice name, dude!) wants to know about cockroaches. "Twice now we've seen cockroaches in relation to Sylar 'dying' (first while held captive by Primatech Paper, and now after he's apparently crawled into the sewers). Is this possibly a link to one of Sylar's 'unseen' abilities (since he presumably has six from the people he killed prior to the 'start' of the show that we haven't seen), or is it just a bit of fun little symbolism to show that Sylar's like a human cockroach â€" he's darn near impossible to completely get rid of?" We also touched on this question with Tim in last week's interviewâ€" anything to ad?

Yes. Sylar did not turn into a cockroach.

OK, likely the second most frequently asked question this week was about Candice. Treads asked first, so here we go. "In 'Landslide,' it seemed you guys went out of your way to make sure we knew Candice's true form wasn't that of a beautiful, skinny brunette. Yet when Candice gets knocked out cold by Nikki, she reverts back to the cute brunette. If she was unconscious and seemingly unable to control her power, shouldn't she have reverted to her true form, which presumably would be an overweight or obese person?"

OR â€" she was still barely conscious â€" OR â€" her subconscious so strongly desired to be thin that she was able to maintain that form â€" OR â€" people might be over thinking this.

There's always that!

If the question really is, “Are we going to get to see what Candice really looks like?” The answer is â€" yes. Sooner than you think.

Memnarch needs some casting news. "Are there any guest actors from this season who will be made regulars next season, i.e. Zach Quinto, Jimmy Jean-Louis, Adair Tishler, etc.?"

Can’t comment on who will be regular â€" but you will see Zach Quinto, Jimmy Jean-Louis and Adair Tishler next season â€" along with several other fan favorites (and some of our personal faves as well.)

Memnarch also asks, "Where the heck has the Hatian Sensation been? Wouldn't he have been able to stop Sylar? Or was he ordered not to be there...?"

The Haitian was doing something incredibly important which will be revealed in Season Two.

Karen Miller wants to know about some "team-ups" for next season. "One of the things I love about 'Heroes' is that you continually give us unexpected combinations of characters that have great chemistry (Peter and Claire, Nathan and Hiro, HRG, Matt and Ted). One such pair that I noticed in 'How To Stop An Exploding Man' was Mr. Bennet and Peter. I could totally see Mr. Bennet acting as a mentor figure to Peter in the 2nd season and I think Jack Coleman and Milo Ventimiglia would knock it out of the park. Is there any chance that this will happen?"

Dear Karen, we can’t tell you how much we appreciate how much you like our team-ups â€" but if we told you our secret team-ups for season two â€" that would ruin everything.

Charlie Anderson wants to know, "My question is about the appearance of Charles Deveaux in Peter's dream/vision in the finale. He says that Linderman may have backed the wrong son and he tells Peter that he has potential and that looking at Peter gives him hope. Was Deveaux just talking about the events in the finale? Because it seems to me that he was referring more to long-term developments â€" possibly things that could happen in Season 2. Am I right?"

You could be right. The relationship between brothers is complex and changing. Peter was a very good guy. Nathan had his dark streak. Their story is not over.

Janet has more questions about Deveaux's appearance in the finale. "In the finale, Charles Deveaux appeared in a vision or dream and told Peter that he is going to be important, that he's going to save everyone, because 'there has to be one who is good.' But in the end, it seems like it was Nathan's unconditional love that saved New York. So was Charles wrong? Or was he talking about something more than just the bomb?"

But, Nathan’s unconditional love would not exist if Peter wasn’t there to influence him to do the right thing. But, see the above answer â€" the Petrelli Brothers story is far from over.

Not Alan wants to know about possibly the grossest moment in season one of "Heroes" (although we should add Claire on the medical examiner's table was pretty gross, too). "D.L.'s power is phasing - what exactly did he do to Linderman? Did he reach in and pull his brain out? If so, why did it leave a hole in the back of Linderman's head?"

D.L. reached into the back of his head and materialized his hand into Linderman’s brain. As Claire on the autopsy table and glass-sharded Peter illustrated, this is a certain weak spot for our heroes â€" healable and healing a like.

G. Neeb wants to know, "Since, the show is more than willing to play with comic and science fiction tropes, will it ever deal with the possibility of extraterrestrial life or resurrecting the dead?"

Our Fearless Leader likes to never say never, but we’re pretty sure those storylines are not in the cards, but then again Jeph Loeb is one of the writers on the show, so…

Sarah wants to know some more about Sylar. "Will we ever find out what Sylar's original power is? We know he has acquired things like telekinesis, super hearing, etc, but is it his original power that allows him to acquire these? When he met his first hero - the one with telekinesis - he said something like 'I see how it works. I can fix it.' Is Sylar somehow able to see how the powers work on a cellular level, allowing him to know how to 'consume' them (literally and figuratively)?"

A mystery yet to be solved… and yes â€" the mystery does have an answer, but not one that we’re going to reveal in the pages of CBR â€" we love you Jonah, and it’s been an amazing year â€" but some secrets we have to keep for the show.

Oh, we had to try and thanks to Sarah for putting it so nicely!

Continuing with Sylar, Jeff from Philly wants to know, "Did Sylar crawl into the sewer or was he dragged? Is it safe to say we haven't see the last of him?"

Look at those marks â€" did they look like crawl marks or drag marks. Is there even such a thing as crawl marks? The answer is on the film.

TheJamesCode wants to know, "Could it be Uluru who is the bad guy that can see Molly Walker and who saved Sylar at the end?"

It could be.

DozenDeuce has thrown himself into the "Heroes 360 Experience" and wants to know about events in the online comic. "In 'The Death of Hana Gitelman' web-comic, Wireless survives the death of her physical body. First, was this an ode to the awesome Manga 'Ghost in the Machine?' Also, how could the virus affect her physical body and would her consciousness still have been able to survive and transfer into the net if she had died on Earth?"

Dear DozenDeuce â€" when you tell me how a woman can intercept and emit wireless communication with her brain, I will tell you how a virus can affect her physical body.

Jacob Feldman wants to know about Hana's future. "What is her current state (as of 'The Death of Hana Gittleman')? Will she be making more appearances on the show or is she now confined to the comics?"

You never know where you might see Hana again, but her little IM message might pop up where you least expect it.

Ohhh, that's interesting. Liam Patterson is looking for some new jewelry to wear. "When is the Hatian's necklace going to be for sale? Seems a lot of us want to buy that necklace, surely NBC will capitalize on that?"

It should be available at the NBC.com store any minute now.

Robert Salgado has also immersed himself in the 360 Experience, having explored the Yamagato Fellowship's Web site. "Got to thinking about next season's theme of 'Generations.' Since we're going to see a link between Kensei and Hiro, I started wondering who else we might see. Then, I realized that we've seen Mrs. Petrelli speak French and she wanted to take Claire to Paris. Any possibility that Mrs. Petrelli might have a connection to Joan of Arc? Joan is listed on the Yamagato Fellowship's website, along with Kensei."

That’s some interesting thinking Robert. But, there’s a whole country that speaks French, and they’re not all related to Joan of Arc. However, our Heroes will be traveling to France next season.

Greg Sandwers has a question about Mr. Bennet's first name, Noah. "Was that always intended to be his name? Did it ever go through any changes? Why reveal his name now? And could you elaborate on why it was Noah, specifically. I have my own theories, but I'm curious what your thoughts are."

I’m curious to what your theories are. Why did we reveal it now? Why not? The mysterious HRG was becoming less mysterious and more of a concerned father. Fathers have names. His name is Noah. Now, a lot of our names our biblical, but some of the names have deeper connections and meanings. Do you think Noah means something more?

There's your summer homework, guys and gals.

Alice wants to know if the ending to season 1/beginning to season 2 is an homage or not. "In the final episode for season 1, Hiro lands between two opposing 'armies' - this reminded me alot of the opening scene for 'Army of Darkness.' Is this an homage to one of the greatest cult movies of all times or do I just have Ash on the brain?"

Ash on the brain, I’m afraid. I heard there’s a cure for all that Bruce Campbell worship. It’s called "Bubba Ho-Tep."

Alright, we also got a large number of questions regarding the final fight sequence in "How To Stop An Exploding Man." The majority of our readers wrote in very satisfied, but there was a very vocal group who were hoping for more, we guess. Courtney Ashton wrote in with the best put question along those lines, so here we go. "The season finale was a real nail biter, but I must say I thought there would be a bit more action in the fight between Peter and the heroes vs. Sylar. What was the thinking behing not making a big, comic book-like 'flashy' showdown?"

To stay true to the show, we wanted to make sure everything rested on character, and that all the choices made, finale or not, seemed true to our characters. Claire jumping out the window. Niki stepping in to help Peter’s fight with Sylar, Hiro’s fight with and then stabbing of Sylar, and of course, the final moment with Nathan. No matter what we put forward, we suspect it may have fallen short of the high expectations â€" but for the people who thought we could have leaned into the action a little bit more, we hope to make it up in spades when we get back.

Ron from Long Island may have spotted another easter egg we didn't mention last week. "Speaking of easter eggs. I spotted the number on Peter's apartment door from an earlier episode as 1407, as in 1407 Graymalkin Lane, the home of Xavier's School For Gifted Youngsters. Was that a coincidence or did I just find another easter egg? If I'm correct, then my wife is right when she says I'm the biggest comic book geek alive."

Congratulations, Ron. You get a big-fat No-Prize.

Landman is back with his final question for the season, "Is there any truth to the rumor that Ted Sprague is also the caveman from those Geicko commercials?"

Not true. But we read on "Page 6" that Christopher Eccelston was almost the voice of the Gecko.

Dave Rich wants to know about the death of Sylar. "Is there any significance to the odd, animal-like shape of the bloodstain left in Kirby Plaza where Sylar's body was? Specifically, some folks on Heroes Wiki have speculated that it's shaped like a Nue, "a mythical beast of Japanese origin, consisting of the head of a monkey, the body of a raccoon dog, the legs of a tiger, and a snake instead of a tail." Apparently legends say that Miyamoto Musashi, one of the inspirations for Takezo Kensei, killed a Nue. Personally, I think the whole thing is pretty far-fetched, and that the bloodstain is just a bloodstain, but is there any truth to this idea?"

As the old saying goes, sometimes a bloodstain is just a bloodstain.

Yeah, I remember when my Dad used to say that when I was a kid …

Suburban Hobbit wants to know, "Has Peter now acquired every power of those present at Kirby Plaza? Or only those that got very close to him? What’s his range, anyway?"

With everything we’ve seen in the show so far â€" Peter has every ability he encountered in Kirby Plaza. That would make him one powerful guy. But, a lot of that depends if he survived the big boom or not.

There is that. But, wow, if he still had all those powers, well, Peter would be one bad-ass mutha.

Nytwyng wants to know about time lines. "The events of season one covered about five weeks, with the finale set in early November (2006, one would presume). Will the 'present' of season two pick up there, in November, 2006, or will it jump forward almost a year for our heroes, and show them nicely established in whatever their new status quo is?"

Yes. We will jump forward in time. You’ll just have to wait and see how much.

MagicMushrooms asks, "Greg Beeman said in his blog that, 'We are all ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED to not repeating ourselves next season â€" but in bringing you a freshly conceived show.' Does this mean a change in format, or new storylines, or entirely new characters? I hope it's not the last, because I love the main characters we've got now and I want to hear more from them!"

We love our characters, so expect a lot of them back. What Mr. Beeman means is that we’re going to get cooler, broader in global scope and tell some stories that we hope will knock your socks off â€" putting our guys in places where you’d never expect them, with new characters that bring out a different side of them. And we hope to keep surprising you so much that you yell at your television sets. In boxing terms - we’re going to make you think you’re smart as you start blocking our left jab, then we’re going to sucker punch you with a big right hook. But in a good way.

Jeff Barnes gets the last question because it made us laugh our asses off. "Is there any truth to the rumor that you traded Damon Lindelof to J.J. Abrams for Greg Grunberg and an actor to be named later?"

It was actually Greg and a writer to be named later. That writer was in fact Jesse Alexander. Personally, I think we got the better end of that deal. Greg is an incredible actor and Jesse Alexander is the heart of the series.

We agree. Guys, thanks so much for all your time spent this past season answering questions from our readers and your fans. Based on the feedback we get, it's truly appreciated and they enjoy being part of the process. It's been fun being part of the excitement of the first season and we'll see you back here on September 24th at the beginning of "Heroes" Season 2, "Generations!"

Could you imagian if Sylar turned into Jessica?  Or a crazyer sylar?

First of all.. isn't Sylar already crazy enough?? I mean he kills people and ripped off the top of there head just to see how they "work".. I'd call that crazy.

And Niki/Jessica is not crazy. She had a multiple personality disorder.. it's a sickness not being crazy. So if Sylar took her brain he would get her power but not her sickness.

I'm watching a repeat of Heroes right now and during commerical breaks they are doing little promos for season two, showing scenes from season two and season one DVD set, showing BTS stuff... it's really cool.  It's being hosted by Ali Larder (Nicki) and  Adrian Pastor (Nathan). Has anone been watching repeats.. do they do this every week?

OK... so I'm obviously late the Heroes Party... I hope I can still join the club.  :)

I just thought you guys would be proud of me for actually starting to watch the show you all rave so much about. Angela got the first season for Christmas and lent it to Dave and I. Initially my husband was not that interested in watching it... he said he'd watch part of it as we ate dinner...but that he'd probably go work on the computer afterwards. After the first episode ended, David was still sitting there with me glued to the TV. He silently picked up the remote and hit the "next" button so that we could watch the second episode. When that was over, I was ready to go to bed... he hit "next" again... we watched FOUR episodes last night after work, starting at 7:30 pm to around 11:30ish. He's hooked and so am I.

OK... I get it now... It's an awesome show!  :D 

Hiro was my favorite character from the very first scene he appeared in. He's so animated.

I love how each cast member has some dominate facial feature that translates so well into the paintings that Isaac is doing. The scenes are shot so that the live action footage looks like a comicbook scene as well. Peter's hair hanging in his face after his brother's political event struck me immediately as comicbookish. Very dramatic with the rain coming down soaking his tux. The red umbrella was also a nice contrast to the monochromatic scenes. In Isaac's painting the water coming off the umbrella looks like blood...  not sure if you noticed that. I don't know if it meant anything or not... but it was an interesting detail.

I also love the scene in the first episode, where Hiro's coworkers were all on the roof top doing group Calisthenics. Everyone is  wearing black, going through the same motions... except Hiro. He's looking up at the eclipse. It was great symbolism that visually illustrated how different he was from everyone else. Not only in what he could do as far as his powers are concerned... but his personality, aspirations and thinking were in high contrast to everyone else in that shot.

I am only four episodes in, but I have a feeling that Ando is Hiro's sidekick. I love this. He's the sidekick that is actually useful. He doesn't have special powers, but he knows English and can drive a car. It's an interesting flip on what I think of as a typical sidekick... He's Batman and Hiro is Robin as far as the personalities go...

So far, loving it.  ;)

People have been telling to watch Heroes.  I might give it a shot. . .I'm glad you liked it.

YAY!!!! Welcome to the club Jen... so glad you guys could join us. You guys are in for such a treat.. Season one is just getting started.... just wait!!!!! :)

Quote from: Jen on January 16, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
OK... so I'm obviously late the Heroes Party... I hope I can still join the club.  :)

I just thought you guys would be proud of me for actually starting to watch the show you all rave so much about. Angela got the first season for Christmas and lent it to Dave and I. Initially my husband was not that interested in watching it... he said he'd watch part of it as we ate dinner...but that he'd probably go work on the computer afterwards. After the first episode ended, David was still sitting there with me glued to the TV. He silently picked up the remote and hit the "next" button so that we could watch the second episode. When that was over, I was ready to go to bed... he hit "next" again... we watched FOUR episodes last night after work, starting at 7:30 pm to around 11:30ish. He's hooked and so am I.

OK... I get it now... It's an awesome show!  :D 

Hiro was my favorite character from the very first scene he appeared in. He's so animated.

I love how each cast member has some dominate facial feature that translates so well into the paintings that Isaac is doing. The scenes are shot so that the live action footage looks like a comicbook scene as well. Peter's hair hanging in his face after his brother's political event struck me immediately as comicbookish. Very dramatic with the rain coming down soaking his tux. The red umbrella was also a nice contrast to the monochromatic scenes. In Isaac's painting the water coming off the umbrella looks like blood...  not sure if you noticed that. I don't know if it meant anything or not... but it was an interesting detail.

I also love the scene in the first episode, where Hiro's coworkers were all on the roof top doing group Calisthenics. Everyone is  wearing black, going through the same motions... except Hiro. He's looking up at the eclipse. It was great symbolism that visually illustrated how different he was from everyone else. Not only in what he could do as far as his powers are concerned... but his personality, aspirations and thinking were in high contrast to everyone else in that shot.

I am only four episodes in, but I have a feeling that Ando is Hiro's sidekick. I love this. He's the sidekick that is actually useful. He doesn't have special powers, but he knows English and can drive a car. It's an interesting flip on what I think of as a typical sidekick... He's Batman and Hiro is Robin as far as the personalities go...

So far, loving it.  ;)

Very cool Jen.  I was hoping you wouldn't end up feeling it has been over-hyped.  Sometimes that happens when you hear how good something is and then finally see it yourself.  Glad you are enjoying it.

No More Heroes Until Fall

Even with strike over, Heroes seems grounded until next season.
by IGN Staff

February 11, 2008 - Update: As of Tuesday night, the Writers' strike is officially over. Original story follows.

While the strike looks just about over, Heroes fans shouldn't expect new episodes in the immediate future. The news filtering out seems to confirm that the NBC superhero hit won't be back until this fall, despite writers almost certainly going back to work this week.

The reason for the delay seems centered around issues unique to Heroes from both a production and structural standpoint. Heroes creator Tim Kring told ew.com last week that he felt that they could probably only finish three more episodes of the series if they attempted to film more to air by the end of this TV season in May.

Heroes is formatted in large story arcs, the next of which is called "Villains." Doing just three more episodes this season would mean either making that story much shorter than intended, or making the audience wait several months for the story to conclude in the fall. Says Kring to ew.com, "With a show like Heroes that's so strongly serialized, and given what we wanted to accomplish with the new storyline, to come back with just three episodes could be creatively dangerous."

An additional report on AintitCoolNews comes from Berlin, saying that Heroes star Hayden Panettiere is also confirming that there won't be anymore Heroes episodes this season. However, she says the new season will begin shooting in April, which is extremely early for fall TV episodes. Heroes actually went back into production earlier than most shows last summer too, in June, and with the strike having put the entire schedule in disarray, the April production start could simply be an attempt to ramp up for Season 3 as quickly as possible.

Can't say I didn't expect that.  I am willing to wait in order for the stories to be tight.  No biggie.

Good news, potential bad news for Heroes
Posted by mhickerson on Saturday, 5 Apr 2008

Written by: Michael Hickerson (SoSF Assistant Editor)

Cast of HeroesFans of NBC's Heroes should pencil an appointment on their calendars for 7-11 p.m. EST on Monday, September 15. That evening, the third season of hit series return to NBC with the third chapter of the saga, "Villains."

The evening will kick-off at 7 p.m. EST with an hour-long recap show. Then fans will get a two-hour premiere to begin the third volume/season of the hit show.

But you may have noticed we told you to pencil the time and date on your calendar. That's because a potential strike by the Screen Actor's Guild could disrupt this plan. The current contract between the SAG and studios expires on July 31st. If an agreement isn't reached, the actors could go on strike which could lead to another production shutdown.

If that happens, Sendhil Ramamurthy, who stars as Mohinder on Heroes, believes that could have a negative impact on the show and essentially kill the series.

"Hopefully producers and SAG will get together and sort something out," he told fans at a recent Eclipse event in the UK. "My last scene [on Heroes] was filmed on Oct. 23 so I'm hoping we'll get something together cause I'd really like to get back to work."

If the SAG strike does happen, it could make Heroes one of the biggest losers. While the show has been renewed for a third-season and appears on NBC's schedule, the franchise has taken some hits. Heroes was one of the first shows to go off the air when the strike began and creator Tim Kring was force to compress a lot of the storyline in order to complete the second season storyline before the writers strike shut down production.

The series lost approximately half a season of episodes and its proposed spin-off, Origins. Origins would have introduced a new person with powers each week, some of whom would join the main show. The series was set to include the talents of Kevin Smith, Eli Roth Michael Dougherty and John August in the director's chair. But when the writers' strike came, Origins was one of the first shows on the chopping block at NBC and it isn't included on NBC's new year-round schedule announced earlier this week.

"We were taxing our creative team to do too much around that," Ben Silverman, co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, said during the network's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York. "We wanted 35 Heroes [episodes] and 12 Heroes: Origins, each of which was supposed to be a mini-movie and backdoor pilot. We reached far and challenged our people, and we decided it was better to focus on keeping the Heroes mothership as strong as possible."