The Walking Dead

[Bryancd]

That's so funny Joby, i think Jamie is starting to also show interest in this show! She saw some of the first few episodes of the first season while I was streaming them over a weekend on netFlix. Those episodes were VERY gory, like when thye covered themselves in walker blood and guts to be able to move around without detection in Atlanta. That was a bit much for her. But this season when she has wandered by, she seems more interested not that the violence is somewhat less. And i know her friends love the show. I foresee a NetFlix streaming marathon with her at some point. :)

[Jobydrone]

I think the fact that the show has a tendency to be so character driven with then brief but effective shocking forays into gore and violence is what's attracting her to it.  The ep you mentioned where they cover themselves in gore seems to be an aberration rather than the standard.

[ori-STUDFARM]

I think they went out of their way for the first Season to prove they weren't going to pull back in the least. The smearing scene mentioned above and the opening shot of the little zombie girl being shot seem to have been done more as a statement to say "we're not pampering to peoples tastes. If the story calls for it, we're showing it" It is, after all, just a part of the world that they are inhabiting.

Now they've set it out in the first Season, this second season is able to concentrate on the story. Without worrying about how brutal it can become if it needs to be.

[Jobydrone]

Regarding Rico's last spoiler post...I agree completely, that part didn't make sense at all to me.

[spoiler]It makes sense from a dramatic point of view that Sophia would be a zombie.  Nothing could have been more heartwrenching that those long shots of her eyes as she shambles forward towards the group.  But it just doesn't compute that she was somehow able to get away from an attack on her own with just an injury and then later turned.  That was just one element of the mid season finale that didn't make much sense after a little while to reflect. 

Another thing that doesn't compute, is why Dale chooses to keep the knowledge he has about Shane to himself at this point.  Shane has basically threatened to kill Dale at least three separate times, admitted his affair with Lori, admitted (by ommision) killing Otis, and for all intents and purposes admitted that he was considering killing Rick.  Dale doesn't seem motivated by fear, what other possible reason could he have for not outing Shane immediately?  Especially knowing that Shane and Andrea are getting together too.[/spoiler]

[Jobydrone]

Also about the "not telling" thing:

[spoiler]Remember that Herschel was desperately trying to keep the secret of the barn from Rick's group, and that he ruled over his family with an iron fist.  No one would have dared go against Herschel's mandate and tell anyone from Rick's group about the barn, and there would be no way to really let them know about Sophia without spilling the beans about their little collection of friends and family out back.  I think I may go back and rewatch the first half of the season to see if there were any telling little glances or other kind of foreshadowing that the folks at the farm knew more about Sophia than they were letting on at first.[/spoiler]

[X]

Also about the "not telling" thing:

[spoiler]Remember that Herschel was desperately trying to keep the secret of the barn from Rick's group, and that he ruled over his family with an iron fist.  No one would have dared go against Herschel's mandate and tell anyone from Rick's group about the barn, and there would be no way to really let them know about Sophia without spilling the beans about their little collection of friends and family out back.  I think I may go back and rewatch the first half of the season to see if there were any telling little glances or other kind of foreshadowing that the folks at the farm knew more about Sophia than they were letting on at first.[/spoiler]

Well they pretty much ...
[spoiler] In the after show, they pretty much said that only Otis knew about Sophia and by the time the others of his group found out about Sophia, Otis was dead. Also,  since Otis was the wrangler, no one else really opened the barn until that moment in the story and that was part of why Hershel was telling Rick that there were more zombies around because it was Otis' job to put them in the barn. Because it's a bunch of episodes, I think we all kind of forgot how soon Otis died in relation to meeting Rick and the others. [/spoiler]

[Jobydrone]

You've been watching those after shows Chris?  Are they worth seeing?  The commercials turned me off and make the show seem rather idiotic.

[X]

You've been watching those after shows Chris?  Are they worth seeing?  The commercials turned me off and make the show seem rather idiotic.

Not really, but I was told that Kirkman was answering questions on that one and it cleared up a lot of stuff including the "look of things" in the final episode.

[spoiler]They wanted the zombies to look more human than the others to give views a bit more of a connection to the dying walkers. It also made that last shot more tragic because she still looked so damned human. I think it was a good choice to show it that way. Also, this is a world where the concept of living dead has never existed ... ever. No zombie movies, nothing. That's why they don't call the creatures zombies because they didn't ever imagine them. It also sheds light on how it could spread so fast and why people are reacting the way they do. If you could never conceive of the dead rising from the grave to eat you, I can see how the zombie apocalypse caught you with your pants down.[/spoiler]

[Bryancd]

You've been watching those after shows Chris?  Are they worth seeing?  The commercials turned me off and make the show seem rather idiotic.

Not really, but I was told that Kirkman was answering questions on that one and it cleared up a lot of stuff including the "look of things" in the final episode.

[spoiler]They wanted the zombies to look more human than the others to give views a bit more of a connection to the dying walkers. It also made that last shot more tragic because she still looked so damned human. I think it was a good choice to show it that way. Also, this is a world where the concept of living dead has never existed ... ever. No zombie movies, nothing. That's why they don't call the creatures zombies because they didn't ever imagine them. It also sheds light on how it could spread so fast and why people are reacting the way they do. If you could never conceive of the dead rising from the grave to eat you, I can see how the zombie apocalypse caught you with your pants down.[/spoiler]

Wow, I didn't know that! Was that even mentioned or inferred in the show itself or ist that more from the writters/comics?

[X]

You've been watching those after shows Chris?  Are they worth seeing?  The commercials turned me off and make the show seem rather idiotic.

Not really, but I was told that Kirkman was answering questions on that one and it cleared up a lot of stuff including the "look of things" in the final episode.

[spoiler]They wanted the zombies to look more human than the others to give views a bit more of a connection to the dying walkers. It also made that last shot more tragic because she still looked so damned human. I think it was a good choice to show it that way. Also, this is a world where the concept of living dead has never existed ... ever. No zombie movies, nothing. That's why they don't call the creatures zombies because they didn't ever imagine them. It also sheds light on how it could spread so fast and why people are reacting the way they do. If you could never conceive of the dead rising from the grave to eat you, I can see how the zombie apocalypse caught you with your pants down.[/spoiler]

Wow, I didn't know that! Was that even mentioned or inferred in the show itself or ist that more from the writters/comics?

It was told in one of the interviews with the writers. It never says it explicitly anywhere in the show or comic, but when you hear it out loud, everything makes sense in how things went down. It also put certain views like seen in the last episode into a different context.

[Bryancd]

You've been watching those after shows Chris?  Are they worth seeing?  The commercials turned me off and make the show seem rather idiotic.

Not really, but I was told that Kirkman was answering questions on that one and it cleared up a lot of stuff including the "look of things" in the final episode.

[spoiler]They wanted the zombies to look more human than the others to give views a bit more of a connection to the dying walkers. It also made that last shot more tragic because she still looked so damned human. I think it was a good choice to show it that way. Also, this is a world where the concept of living dead has never existed ... ever. No zombie movies, nothing. That's why they don't call the creatures zombies because they didn't ever imagine them. It also sheds light on how it could spread so fast and why people are reacting the way they do. If you could never conceive of the dead rising from the grave to eat you, I can see how the zombie apocalypse caught you with your pants down.[/spoiler]

Wow, I didn't know that! Was that even mentioned or inferred in the show itself or ist that more from the writters/comics?

It was told in one of the interviews with the writers. It never says it explicitly anywhere in the show or comic, but when you hear it out loud, everything makes sense in how things went down. It also put certain views like seen in the last episode into a different context.

Huh, I can't say it changes my perception as to how things went down overall, I never even considered it. But then again I suppose I am not steeped in Zombie lore.

[X]

You've been watching those after shows Chris?  Are they worth seeing?  The commercials turned me off and make the show seem rather idiotic.

Not really, but I was told that Kirkman was answering questions on that one and it cleared up a lot of stuff including the "look of things" in the final episode.

[spoiler]They wanted the zombies to look more human than the others to give views a bit more of a connection to the dying walkers. It also made that last shot more tragic because she still looked so damned human. I think it was a good choice to show it that way. Also, this is a world where the concept of living dead has never existed ... ever. No zombie movies, nothing. That's why they don't call the creatures zombies because they didn't ever imagine them. It also sheds light on how it could spread so fast and why people are reacting the way they do. If you could never conceive of the dead rising from the grave to eat you, I can see how the zombie apocalypse caught you with your pants down.[/spoiler]

Wow, I didn't know that! Was that even mentioned or inferred in the show itself or ist that more from the writters/comics?

It was told in one of the interviews with the writers. It never says it explicitly anywhere in the show or comic, but when you hear it out loud, everything makes sense in how things went down. It also put certain views like seen in the last episode into a different context.

Huh, I can't say it changes my perception as to how things went down overall, I never even considered it. But then again I suppose I am not steeped in Zombie lore.

LOL

[spoiler] I meant more of understand Hershall's motivations. They don't know what this is and have no point of reference. To him these people were sick not living dead. Something that science should explain or be able to cure one day. That could have been cold blooded murder of sick people to him, not because he was clueless, but because they have no answers[/spoiler]

[Bryancd]

Oh, no I am referring to...

[spoiler]The notion that in universe, they don't know what a zombie is. I never caught anything like that from the show nor did I ever even think about it.[/spoiler]

[X]

Oh, no I am referring to...

[spoiler]The notion that in universe, they don't know what a zombie is. I never caught anything like that from the show nor did I ever even think about it.[/spoiler]

Yeah I get what you're saying.

[spoiler] I never noticed it myself until I realized afterwards that the word zombie has never been used on the show. It also makes you wonder how different the culture is below the surface when what we think of as a simple concept ... living dead ... has never been thought of by anyone on that world until after the fact. I like worlds where there is just a minor difference that could change everything. Like in Watchmen, there are no superhero comics, but pirate comics because that's where the fantasy went with their culture. It makes me wonder what else is different in the world of the Walking Dead. Is Hershel actually right about his views? [/spoiler]

[Bryancd]

Oh, no I am referring to...

[spoiler]The notion that in universe, they don't know what a zombie is. I never caught anything like that from the show nor did I ever even think about it.[/spoiler]

Yeah I get what you're saying.

[spoiler] I never noticed it myself until I realized afterwards that the word zombie has never been used on the show. It also makes you wonder how different the culture is below the surface when what we think of as a simple concept ... living dead ... has never been thought of by anyone on that world until after the fact. I like worlds where there is just a minor difference that could change everything. Like in Watchmen, there are no superhero comics, but pirate comics because that's where the fantasy went with their culture. It makes me wonder what else is different in the world of the Walking Dead. Is Hershel actually right about his views? [/spoiler]

We don't know..
[spoiler]About Herschel yet as we don't know what caused the apocolypse. Maybe they are just sicj and can be cured assuming they still have all their parts! I'm not a fan of this being an alternate world so I am sticking to thinking they are no different from us and just haven't said the word "zombie". :) No biggie to me.[/spoiler]