SOPA

KingIsaacLinksr · January 22, 2012, 03:47:53 PM

Quote from: QuadShot on January 22, 2012, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 22, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
So this happened: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120120/14472117492/mpaa-directly-publicly-threatens-politicians-who-arent-corrupt-enough-to-stay-bought.shtml

Disgusting.

King
Good. Maybe now politicians will have to EARN their jobs, instead of having a mega-rich movie/TV/recording star buy their elections for them...

Almost as if it was intended to be that way....*shocking*

King ;)

Jobydrone · January 25, 2012, 10:58:50 AM

very interesting video here that sounds very much like Wil Wheaton has been talking to our very own Tim about DRM and piracy:

Wil Wheaton: The Entertainment Industry Is To Blame For Piracy - Comic-Con 2011

KingIsaacLinksr · January 25, 2012, 11:03:52 AM

I have more influence than you can possibly imagine mwhahahahahaha.

If only ;).

King

Bryancd · January 25, 2012, 11:23:10 AM

That was a pathetic, obtuse argument to justify theft. Whil Weatom I'm sure is a very nice guy, but...

So he can't watch what he wants to watch, blames the content providers, and just steals it instead. Weak.

QuadShot · January 25, 2012, 11:37:28 AM

Quote from: Bryancd on January 25, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
That was a pathetic, obtuse argument to justify theft. Whil Weatom I'm sure is a very nice guy, but...

So he can't watch what he wants to watch, blames the content providers, and just steals it instead. Weak.

No WONDER Sheldon holds so much contempt for Mr. Wheaton! :) I agree Bryan...this is a never ending argument though: stealing is stealing...no matter the justification.

Jobydrone · January 25, 2012, 11:46:38 AM

Settle down, Beavis. If this issue boiled down to "stealing is wrong" then there wouldn't be so much debate going on all over the world about it. It's about alot more. You're not doing your argument any favors by name calling, being accusative, and overly simplistic.

Bryancd · January 25, 2012, 11:51:25 AM

We spent many pages discussing this. And I don't have to like or admire Wil Wheaton, that's my prerogative. And it does boil down to stealing is wrong depsite efforts to equivocate the substance of the debate.

Jobydrone · January 25, 2012, 11:59:32 AM

Yes I have read the whole thread Bryan. I wonder if you have, because you were asked a couple of direct questions in previous pages and didn't answer, which of course is also your perogative but strikes me as a bit disingenuous considering your black and white viewpoint on the subject. Perhaps to you it all boils down to "stealing is wrong" but to many others there's more to it. Calling people who don't agree with you pathetic and obtuse is not debate, it's namecalling, regardless of whether you like or admire the person you're debating with.

Jobydrone · January 25, 2012, 12:01:33 PM

Rereading I see you called his argument pathetic and obtuse, not him, which is different, sorry about that.

Bryancd · January 25, 2012, 12:07:36 PM

Quote from: Jobydrone on January 25, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
Yes I have read the whole thread Bryan. I wonder if you have, because you were asked a couple of direct questions in previous pages and didn't answer, which of course is also your prerogative but strikes me as a bit disingenuous considering your black and white viewpoint on the subject.

You were the only person who addressed me directly and all you asked is why I stopped using LimeWrie and then said just kidding, I didn't feel it was necessary to the conversation to respond.

Jobydrone · January 25, 2012, 12:14:08 PM

Okay, none of this matters to me anyway, I didn't post that video to start an argument, that's for sure. I thought it was interesting because he was echoing statements that were made by various people earlier on in this thread. The one thing he said that I absolutely agree with is that what will end piracy is changes in the way that content is distributed, not censorship, punishments, or government interference.

X · January 25, 2012, 12:44:41 PM

Quote from: Bryancd on January 25, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
That was a pathetic, obtuse argument to justify theft. Whil Weatom I'm sure is a very nice guy, but...

So he can't watch what he wants to watch, blames the content providers, and just steals it instead. Weak.

The only problem is that he wasn't saying to pirate stuff he was talking DRM. He was talking about his PAID content not being accessible. He's pissed because he can't watch what he paid for when he wants to. I think that on this one, you jumped the gun and attacked without listening to what he was saying.

Bryancd · January 25, 2012, 12:51:55 PM

Quote from: X on January 25, 2012, 12:44:41 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 25, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
That was a pathetic, obtuse argument to justify theft. Whil Weatom I'm sure is a very nice guy, but...

So he can't watch what he wants to watch, blames the content providers, and just steals it instead. Weak.
The only problem is that he wasn't saying to pirate stuff he was talking DRM. He was talking about his PAID content not being accessible. He's pissed because he can't watch what he paid for when he wants to. I think that on this one, you jumped the gun and attacked without listening to what he was saying.

No I know what he was saying and I understand the distinction but it's the same argument. For example, what if back in the day I owned a VCR and a BetaMax (we did by the way). So I buy a copy of a movie on Beta because it becomes available first. Then a week later it's released on VHS. I paid for the content in a specific format. If i want it in another format, I would have to pay again. Or should I walk into target and steal the VHS version under the defense that I already paid for the content? Are you listening to what I am saying?

Bryancd · January 25, 2012, 12:53:13 PM

Quote from: Jobydrone on January 25, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
The one thing he said that I absolutely agree with is that what will end piracy is changes in the way that content is distributed, not censorship, punishments, or government interference.

I agree and harken back to what Apple managed to do for music distribution. But until then, laws should be enforced. Period.

QuadShot · January 25, 2012, 12:57:29 PM

Quote from: Jobydrone on January 25, 2012, 11:46:38 AM
Settle down, Beavis. If this issue boiled down to "stealing is wrong" then there wouldn't be so much debate going on all over the world about it. It's about alot more. You're not doing your argument any favors by name calling, being accusative, and overly simplistic.

Wow..Beavis. Not THAT's not being insulting is it?