Amazon's Kindle Fire Tablet

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Bryancd

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Quote from: X on October 07, 2011, 06:54:22 AM
Okay, but what are you saying? It's a Kindle, it has all of that going for it at a lower price.

I thought it was clear.  :blink The Fire DOES NOT have all that going for it. It doesn't not have the built in ecosystem on par with iTunes and the Ap store experience. It does not have an already established and MASSIVE consumer base committed to that ecosystem via iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Mac. It's not comparable in the least in terms of penetration in the consumer market. It also lacks any semblance of the cache which it ascribed to Apple products. People WNAT Apple's logo and will do everything they can to pay up for it. That might seem absurd to you and i but it's the truth. So the Fire doesn't even come close to currently offering the same experience and they won't as that's not what they are doing with this device.

X

Quote from: Bryancd on October 07, 2011, 07:32:28 AM
Quote from: X on October 07, 2011, 06:54:22 AM
Okay, but what are you saying? It's a Kindle, it has all of that going for it at a lower price.

I thought it was clear.  :blink The Fire DOES NOT have all that going for it. It doesn't not have the built in ecosystem on par with iTunes and the Ap store experience. It does not have an already established and MASSIVE consumer base committed to that ecosystem via iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Mac. It's not comparable in the least in terms of penetration in the consumer market. It also lacks any semblance of the cache which it ascribed to Apple products. People WNAT Apple's logo and will do everything they can to pay up for it. That might seem absurd to you and i but it's the truth. So the Fire doesn't even come close to currently offering the same experience and they won't as that's not what they are doing with this device.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Kindle have a massive consumer base committed to it that's already established? I think it does. Droid also has a large consumer base that is established. I don't know what to tell you, but Apple doesn't have anything as close to the penetration of Amazon. I'm willing to bet that almost everyone here has done something on Amazon. I'm willing to bet that most people here have a Kindle account.

I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Those of us that are saying it's going to be successful aren't saying it's trying to emulate the "Apple Experience". It's creating it's own thing that will draw people in. With readers less than 100.00, they are going to build a better base and then grow from there with their other products, leading to the Fire.

Jobydrone

#92
As a portal or gateway to content libraries both products (the iPad vs. the Amazon Fire) have alot going for them.  Apple's got the lead with their app store for hundreds of thousands of games and productivity apps (even though nobody ever mentions that a very high percentage of those are fart simulators and other stuff nobody would generally ever buy), while I would have to give the nod to the Fire for the Amazon bookstore and the hundreds of thousands of other products sold on Amazon.com.  Not to mention the streaming video content available to Amazon Prime members that gets better and better with every deal they make with content providers.  There's a very wide base of all kinds of users, from Grandmoms and Grandpops that are looking for the kind of easy experience that Bryan describes, all the way to the other end of the spectrum of people that are looking for a great portable device to view all the pirated content they've downloaded illegally.  I've seen nothing to lead me to believe that the Fire will be anything but a huge success, nor do I believe that the iPad is going to be negatively affected in any way by the success of the Fire.  If anything, I think it will cause Apple to diversify even more by offering new and different kinds of products to the same user base that is already buying their stuff.  Apple has never been shy about cannibalizing their own user base.
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Bryancd

Buying products from Amazon.com and buying the Fire tablet for all the functions people want from a portable tablet device are entirely different purchasing decisions, Chris. That's the point you are missing. Just because you shop at Amazon doesn't have any bearing on what you may choose for your tablet. That decision is driven by all the ancillary things I seem to keep mentioning but you don't seem to be reading. :) Once more, it's the ecosystem and experience of audio, video, iTunes, your iTunes library, Aps, that's the content that people want. Amazon oisn't interested in that market, heck if they were they would have made the screen size larger.

Feathers

To my eyes the key difference is that you keep talking about Amazon.com. That's a US site with US features that the rest of us don't get. amazon.co.uk exists and it sells kindles and books but it doesn't sell Fires and it doesn't offer all of the other stuff you get over there. I'm sure ts not too far behind but it's not there yet.

iPads launch over here at about the same time as you get them. iTunes does apps, music and all the rest of it just as well as in the US. I don't know what the size of the overseas market is for these guys but, at the moment, Apple has it and Amazon doesn't appear to be trying very hard.

I know it's unnusual here but I don't have a podcast of my own.

QuadShot

Amazon, Apple...enough already! I prefer oranges. :)

Bryancd

Quote from: Feathers on October 07, 2011, 03:26:21 PM

iPads launch over here at about the same time as you get them. iTunes does apps, music and all the rest of it just as well as in the US. I don't know what the size of the overseas market is for these guys but, at the moment, Apple has it and Amazon doesn't appear to be trying very hard.

No, they aren't as of yet. Here's the deal
Kindle= Amazon Book Store
Fire= Amazon Retail Store
iPad= Portable personal computer for the masses

KingIsaacLinksr

Quote from: Bryancd on October 07, 2011, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: Feathers on October 07, 2011, 03:26:21 PM

iPads launch over here at about the same time as you get them. iTunes does apps, music and all the rest of it just as well as in the US. I don't know what the size of the overseas market is for these guys but, at the moment, Apple has it and Amazon doesn't appear to be trying very hard.

No, they aren't as of yet. Here's the deal
Kindle= Amazon Book Store
Fire= Amazon Retail Store
iPad= Portable personal computer for the masses

Finally, you nailed what I wanted to say.  Couldn't think of the right word.  And that's the biggest difference.  Its all great that you can buy content from whoever you feel like (although at the end of the day, the content is the same...) but the iPad has practical computer applications (not a pun) and the Fire has a total of....well, not much.  I cannot imagine typing on a 7" screen several pages worth of documents.  A blue-tooth keyboard would help that some, but as it doesn't have it (whoops) then I would choose the iPad over the Fire any day.  But then again, I'm the sort that wants a all-in-one device so sure, people will have different wishes :).

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X

Just bought the smaller new kindle a few days ago as a means to read in the park and it's pretty cool. I'm really enjoying the pocket size.

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Bryancd

I bought the new $75 Kinndle, just waiting to finish my current book to give it a go!

sheldor

#102
I was reading yesterday Amazon may drop the price to $100 for Christmas.

http://shopping.yahoo.com/articles/yshoppingarticles/729/10-black-friday-deal-predictions/

Rico

I'm sure there will be deals for the holidays.  And I would also bet the price will eventually go to $150 and then $100 in a short period of time.  This device is a gateway tool for Amazon to sell more stuff.  They can take a loss on the hardware.

Bryancd

Quote from: Rico on November 10, 2011, 09:06:43 AM
I'm sure there will be deals for the holidays.  And I would also bet the price will eventually go to $150 and then $100 in a short period of time.  This device is a gateway tool for Amazon to sell more stuff.  They can take a loss on the hardware.

Yep, that's the business model.