iPhone 4G?

[QuadShot]

The tile in our kitchen. Yep, she is very lucky. I know that Apple had said early on that the new glass in the iPhone 4 would be virtually unbreakable, but I NEVER put much stock in something when it's advertised as such.

[Feathers]

a bit too much anti-Apple glee round here these days isn't there. ;)

[billybob476]

Fran loves her iPhone4. She has a snap case so no worries there. iPhones rule!

[KingIsaacLinksr]

a bit too much anti-Apple glee round here these days isn't there. ;)

I love mine :) 

King

[Rico]

a bit too much anti-Apple glee round here these days isn't there. ;)

Not anti-Apple.  Just anti-poor engineering and design choices.

[Feathers]

a bit too much anti-Apple glee round here these days isn't there. ;)

Not anti-Apple.  Just anti-poor engineering and design choices.

Yeah. My problem is that this is all opinion based. Bad in whose view? What is 'bad'? None of these things are set in stone and are all matters of personal opinion.

If someone makes something from glass, fine. It's not 'bad' as such just a design choice. I guess I have a problem with the very black and white nature of the opinions being expressed as if they're absolute truth.

[Rico]

Opinions?  The issues with the antenna were verified multiple times - no opinion there.  The glass front and back breaks more easily.  This has been verified by more iPhone 4 breakage than previous models.  I see no opinions here for those facts.  I'm not understanding you Mike.

Now, of course it is perfectly fine to pick whatever they want for their phone and their design.  And maybe this is where the opinion comes in.  Do you guys honestly think if they had not put a glass back on the iPhone 4 it would have hurt sales somehow?  I would say a non-glass back with less of a chance of breakage would have been a much better way to go.  And certainly saved some broken iPhones.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

I personally like the aesthetic choice but no, I doubt it would have hurts sales that much, if at all.  I still would have bought the iPhone glass or not.

[Rico]

I personally like the aesthetic choice but no, I doubt it would have hurts sales that much, if at all.  I still would have bought the iPhone glass or not.

Thanks for that Tim.  Again, I really do like the iPhone and still might get one someday.  I just think a couple things different wouldn't have hurt their bottom line and made much better sense.  Heck, I'm scared about dropping my phone all the time - which I did drop once onto a concrete parking lot and it was ok.

[Bryancd]

Well, I think the issue with "facts" that Mike is suggesting is that the design choice was made as it clearly has appeal to the consumer at large and there very well may have been an engineering reason for it, it's a fact that no one on this board can answer that. It's the same with the antenna. An design and engineering choice was made which resulted in SOME of the phones have reception issues. But these "facts" don't seem to have any material impact on the popularity of the device and may add and enhance a users experience, so that's where they become "opinions". If you are afraid of dropping it and breaking the glass or thinks the antenna issue is a problem for you, don't buy it. That's where these "facts" fall short to the power of everything the device has done correctly.

[Rico]

I should just stay out of this thread from now on I think.  Mainly, I've just been trying to point out some issues that have been seen by others to help inform people about potential problems.  As the phrase goes, "I have no horse in this race."  I really don't care if they sell one or 1 billion of these things.  So, maybe it's just better if I stop trying.

[Blackride]

I dropped my blackberry 3x's. I would hate to see what a iPhone would look like after that...

[Bryancd]

I should just stay out of this thread from now on I think.  Mainly, I've just been trying to point out some issues that have been seen by others to help inform people about potential problems.  As the phrase goes, "I have no horse in this race."  I really don't care if they sell one or 1 billion of these things.  So, maybe it's just better if I stop trying.

No, that's silly. Don't try and interpret tone on the internet, no one here has any upset. It's just a conversation. :)

What I have found is a fact is that the vast majority of people who are a bit biased against Apple products are IT folks and those with a strong tech knowledge and interests. It's been that way for years, for as long as I have owned their products and been an investor in the company. Tech web sites and blogs HATE Apple with a passion and will always be quick to try and point out problems with their products. And they very well may be correct in doing so. They broke the antenna story and now this. The problem is their hyperbole often includes rhetoric like this is the death of the iPhone! iPhone recall coming!!! And that's where they loose credibility. Sure, some iPhone's had reception issues, but Apple and AT&T knew the extent of them and they were minor. You would never get that reading some of the articles posted. Now this, more of the same. At the end of the day, people LOVE their products and that makes the tech community completely frustrated. Technology for the rest of us needs to be simple. I have said it again and again. Apple makes my technology experience seamless. Therein lies their genius.

..And Rico, you are a tech guy, so your bias as such comes through. I am biased as someone who could care less about the tech and just want it spoon fed to me. :)

[Blackride]

I would say tech people are not biased, well not all. Most tech people I know own Apple products of some kind. I think it's that we know the technology more and are harder on it. There is actually more biased against Microsoft products and AMD vs Intel in my world.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

I should just stay out of this thread from now on I think.  Mainly, I've just been trying to point out some issues that have been seen by others to help inform people about potential problems.  As the phrase goes, "I have no horse in this race."  I really don't care if they sell one or 1 billion of these things.  So, maybe it's just better if I stop trying.

No, that's silly. Don't try and interpret tone on the internet, no one here has any upset. It's just a conversation. :)

What I have found is a fact is that the vast majority of people who are a bit biased against Apple products are IT folks and those with a strong tech knowledge and interests. It's been that way for years, for as long as I have owned their products and been an investor in the company. Tech web sites and blogs HATE Apple with a passion and will always be quick to try and point out problems with their products. And they very well may be correct in doing so. They broke the antenna story and now this. The problem is their hyperbole often includes rhetoric like this is the death of the iPhone! iPhone recall coming!!! And that's where they loose credibility. Sure, some iPhone's had reception issues, but Apple and AT&T knew the extent of them and they were minor. You would never get that reading some of the articles posted. Now this, more of the same. At the end of the day, people LOVE their products and that makes the tech community completely frustrated. Technology for the rest of us needs to be simple. I have said it again and again. Apple makes my technology experience seamless. Therein lies their genius.

..And Rico, you are a tech guy, so your bias as such comes through. I am biased as someone who could care less about the tech and just want it spoon fed to me. :)

And you nailed it on the head.  Despite my knowledge of computers, I'm still pretty illiterate, so when it comes to mobile devices, I pretty much demand they work flawlessly and without a lot of battery issues.  The reason why is because I've had to deal with some pretty crappy technology in the form of laptops and Palm devices.  (Long story).  iPhone so far has met this demand and then some.  I was quite frankly amazed a full charge on the iPhone 4 lasted me an entire "work" day as I didn't expect that sort of battery life. 

Droid seems to be suffering from battery problems I've heard, their App store is not perfect and they amusingly have to root their phones to get them working as expected.  (Or in iPhone terms, almost-Jailbreak).  So their knee-jerk reaction to slamming the iPhone is both ironic and annoying to me.  Both phones at this point have their greats and their minuses.  I think both are too in-grained to die at this point, short of either company failing to care developing them. 

What I suspect we will see next year is an explosion of iPhone users.  Since by all accounts it looks like the iPhone is coming to Verizon, this is an untapped market that will no doubt sell many, many iPhones.  After that, it will equalize out.  I doubt Droid will die even if the iPhone is brought to each and every network.  It's OS is too much loved and many prefer open-OS development compared to the restrictions enforced by Apple.  Which is perfectly acceptable to me, it's your product, your choice. 

King