Galactica - Season 4 discussion (spoilers)

[billybob476]

Found this article on digg, just opinion, no spoilers but it is a nice theory:

With the fourth and final season of Battlestar Galactica upon us, I have many questions swirling around in my head. Not to mention I either hate or thank Ron Moore for this. Thanks Ron!!!

Before I start, I have to warn you that as of April 4th of this year, it was reported over on EW that the first 10 of the last 20 episodes are scheduled to air - which seems to confirm what they were saying over on SyFy Portal about the season being split up, so be ready for a break in the midst of it all if the writers strike didn't mess up their plans. (BTW, the EW link has some good background info for those who need to play catch-up.)

So who the frak is the final Cylon? Let me torment you with some logic and observations first.
     

In the picture above, it's called Battlestar Galactica: The final supper. In the picture is a goblet by itself at the table. Is there some significant clue by this missing representation of a figure or the cornerstone to the answer? It is such a simple goblet or cup, yet by itself, being pondered heavily by Lee Adama. At EW.com, if you click on the number representing the goblet, they point out that Moore insinuates the missing Cylon is not at the table. Well, there go a a few theories.

One of my first thoughts, since they like tossing twists at us, is Mr. Gaeta, only because if you look at the four of the final five, they're all in strong support positions in the fleet, much like Gaeta has been all along.

The wheels are turning now, aren't they?

But yet as I ponder the final Cylon, I also have in my head the quote we've heard a number of times, first in Battlestar Galactica: Razor, and then in the show itself: "This has all happened before; and will all happen again"

What the heck does that mean?

In recent episodes, we've seen the Cavils having the raiders lobotomized, referring to them as "They're tools, not pets." - Which says they're treating members of their own race like slaves. Not cool Cavil. In fact, maybe foretelling?

We've seen Six's and Sharons' give the Centurions free thinking.

We also see the Six's and Sharons have the Cavils, Dorals, and Simons all shot, and then Six asks one of the Centurion's to "throw the surviving Cavil model out the airlock... please."

Old Cylon vs New CylonIn that scene, there's a Centurion in the foreground cleaning up the massacre mess, and when she said please, he stopped what he was doing and seemed to look in her direction, pondering, then went about his business. That scene said it all for me, because what I saw was a spark of a thought in that metal head of his. Dare I say, a plan? Wait, doesn't the show open up saying the Cylons have a plan? This all started with the shiny guys, it's probably going to end with the shiny guys.

Bruce's Revelation, with the reasoning that created it:

1. Humans created the Cylons.

2. Cylons rebelled against their human creators.

3. The Cylons evolved themselves into their creators image (aka "skin jobs").

4. The new Cylons (skin jobs) lobotomize the Raiders AND in the same move, have given the Centurions free thinking.

With this, I project the following inspirations:

- The Centurions are not just tools.

- They must rebel against their creators in order to avoid being lobotomized.

- Suddenly, we will have the Cylons fighting the "Humans" all over again.

We then see "humans" defending themselves against the "Cylons / Centurions" and of course, the Centurions would probably create skin jobs somewhere down the road in order to infiltrate the "humans."

And it starts all over.

Hence, all of humanity is "The Last Cylon."

For me, this premise puts to rest some questions and doubts I have had about the new Cylons... For example, if Tigh is a Cylon, how was he in the first Cylon war?

If it's not all of humanity, I'll go with Plan B: Gaeta.

Me? I can sleep now. It all makes sense... that is until I find I'm wrong.

What's your take? I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter!

http://screenrant.com/archives/who-is-the-last-cylon-on-battl-1592.html

[Rico]

Some interesting thoughts, but I see a few problems with it.  I've never quite understood how the Cylons "evolved."  Did humans create the skin job Cylons or did the toasters create the skin jobs?  If the toasters made them, why are there toasters still around?  Wouldn't they have to be smarter than the skin jobs to create them?

P.S.  I don't think Gaeta is a Cylon.

[billybob476]

Well if we go with the miniseries, the humans didn't know there were human-looking Cylons (if i remember correctly). I agree Geata is not a Cylon.

One thing this season is really reminding me of is Animal Farm.

[wraith1701]

 :cylon :skull :cylon        SPOILER WARNING--     :cylon :skull :cylon

The following is allegedly either a page from the script or a casting side from episode 18 of BSG season 4.  Doesn't answer a lot of burning questions, but it does provide some nice character background information...






SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME Writers 1st 4/07/2008

INT - GALACTICA - JOE'S BAR - LATER

SLICK'S HANDS CARESS THE KEYS

KARA
(O.S.)
When I was taking the fleet to earth everything was real clear.

Kara's leaning close, watching him play. It's late.
The bar is nearly deserted— the shot glasses piled high; Kara's defenses low.

KARA
For the first time in my life I knew what I was doing.
Why I (am here. Had something? to live? for besides flying. —crossed out and hard to read this line) Fighting. Now... the rug's been pulled out. I'm lost again.

SLICK
That such a bad thing? I've never been a big believe in destiny myself. Why would you want it all laid out for you? Isn't it more fun to make it up as you go along? Life should be like good jazz: improvisational.


His fingers dance across the ivories as he talks, extemporizing a tune.

SLICK
One note inspires another. A melody provides a springboard for infinite variations. Your life is an accumulations of the scales and riffs, the meaning found in the tune you play.

Kara listens intently to the piano.

KARA
And the one you are riffing off right now... is Nomion's Third Sonata, second movement.

Slicks stops dead, staring dumbfounded at her. Kara thinks she said something wrong.

KARA
Sounded like it anyway.

SLICK
You're right on the money. I've riffed of Nomion's Third in hundreds of bars. You're the first to recognize it. How the hell...?

KARA
My dad used to play it.

SLICK
He played piano?
(off her nod)
Classical, huh?

KARA
That's what he got paid for. But his first love was jazz. You're almost as good as he was.

Slick smiles and resumes playing.

SLICK
Great, so I have to compete with the memory of your father.

KARA
Not really. He left home when I was five. Hardly remember him. Just Fragments. Moments here and there.

SLICK
Such as?

KARA
Used to sit me on the bench next to him when played.
Remember tobacco on his breath.

INT - KARA'S CHILDHOOD HOME - FLASHBACK

YOUNG KARA sits on the bench next to her FATHER, mimicking the movement of his hands on the keys.
(NOTE: The flashback is from Kara's POV. We never see her father's face.)

KARA
(V.O.)
He taught me a few songs. I tried hard to get it right. Not because I was afraid he would get angry...

Her father plays a phrase. Young Kara plays it back perfectly. She beams and he reaches to gently pinch the lobe of her ear between his thumb and index finger.

KARA
(VO)
But because it made him proud.

Her father runs a hand across the keyboard, punctuating the rippling notes by forming his hand into an imaginary six gun and shooting the final key with his index finger.

INT JOE'S BAR

Kara watches Slick's hands on the keys.

KARA
There was this one tune he taught me. Can't think of it right now. Made me feel happy and sad at the same time.

SLICK
The best songs do... my old man wasn't around much either.

KARA
Military?

SLICK
Traveling salesman. Peddled toilet brushes, door to door.

KARA
(laughs)
Talk about a crap job.

SLICK
Dropped dead of a heart attack when I was twelve. My mother cried her eyes out at the funeral, and I sat there feeling nothing. Man was a stranger. The only thing I can ever remember about him was the crazy story he told me once about backwards birds.

KARA
The what?

SLICK
These birds that fly backwards. To wherever they've been.

Because only by seeing where they have been can they know where they are going.

Slick plays a riff and Kara takes this in.

KARA
That is the most pathetic bit of fatherly wisdom I have ever heard.

SLICK
And you thought you had a frakked up childhood. Feel better now?

KARA
Much

They share a laugh, and a powerful surge of chemistry.
Kara doesn't know where this is going, and doesn't care.



from i09, courtesy of the Booted Lady from a closed Livejournal group

link- http://io9.com/382965/leaked-scene-from-one-of-the-final-battlestar-episodes

[Bryancd]

I have been meaning to comment on last Fridays episode. I understand that Callie was distraught over the discovery of the Chief being a Cylon and she was despondant enough to kill herself and her baby. That was well established during the story. What I just can;t accept is that she made absolutely no effort to let someone know before sailing out the launch tube. I mean, leave a frackin' note for Adama or something! That was really lame and lazy of them to just have her shuffle off the the launch bay, passing all these people in the hallways, and she doesn't say boo. I was very happy when she got the boot, she was weak.

[jedijeff]

I have been meaning to comment on last Fridays episode. I understand that Callie was distraught over the discovery of the Chief being a Cylon and she was despondant enough to kill herself and her baby. That was well established during the story. What I just can;t accept is that she made absolutely no effort to let someone know before sailing out the launch tube. I mean, leave a frackin' note for Adama or something! That was really lame and lazy of them to just have her shuffle off the the launch bay, passing all these people in the hallways, and she doesn't say boo. I was very happy when she got the boot, she was weak.

I agree, she should have told someone before she went to send herself out the airlock. If she hated Cylons that much, it just makes sense she would want to protect her people from the the ones she found out to be Cylons. Also, she knocked the Chief out, not sure why she did not try and finish him off, but instead she would sacrifice her baby, but leave the Chief alive.
I do like what they are doing with the 4, I am now starting to have my doubts about them, and this Fridays episode looks good. I am interested to see what happens with Starbuck as well, and if Anders being a cylon causes anything to jeopardize her mission.

[X]

I think that you are both missing the fact that she was in shock. She was pretty much running on autopilot at that point and if you suddenly learn the XO and your husband are the enemy, who can you trust?

[wraith1701]

Good point.  Not to mention the fact that she was doped up on medication.  She wasn't in the best mental state to start with; the writers made a point of bringing this up on several occasions. 

[Bryancd]

Weak excuses, IMO. Com eon, guys, she was lucid enough to knock out the Chief, grab her child and walk ALL the way to the hanger bays. Please. Great episode, but that was a short cut that didn't work.

[wraith1701]

Fair enough.  In my opinion, the reasons behind her behaivior are no less plausible than anything else in the show.  Like the fact that Cally ends up marrying a guy who beats the crap out of her and leaves her hospitalized.  Or like the fact that the show is about a bunch of humans from some far off planet who just happen to speak and read English, sing Jimi Hendrix songs, wear suits and ties, use rotary telephones, and fly around in spaceships fighting against sentient robots.  Once I suspend my disbelief and let myself get sucked in by the premise of the show, things like Cally's behavior are fairly easy to take.

[X]

Fair enough.  In my opinion, the reasons behind her behaivior are no less plausible than anything else in the show.  Like the fact that Cally ends up marrying a guy who beats the crap out of her and leaves her hospitalized.  Or like the fact that the show is about a bunch of humans from some far off planet who just happen to speak and read English, sing Jimi Hendrix songs, wear suits and ties, use rotary telephones, and fly around in spaceships fighting against sentient robots.  Once I suspend my disbelief and let myself get sucked in by the premise of the show, things like Cally's behavior are fairly easy to take.

I agree with that. To me Cally didn't tell anyone else because she didn't CARE about telling them. If your first response is to kill yourself and your kid, I don't think that you are really up to sharing information.

I find her action completely believable. To accent that point she doesn't just decided to end her life, she seemed set to kill her kid too, BUT she didn't kill her Cylon husband.

If I were to examine her motivations I would think it was because she gave up hope. IF the one person you trusted enough to marry is a Cylon and the leader of the Cylon resistance on New Caprica is a Cylon that doesn't leave much faith that anyone else isn't. Why tell Adama when it seems that the core of his crew are Cylons and he has given rank to one of the Cylons?

Adama made his choice against Cally when he put Athena into a uniform after what Boomer did to him.

given that, I don't think that she would have told them if she was in her right mind while heading to kill herself and her kid.

[Blackride]

I am as big a fan as you guys but isn't it funny how much we disect this show :)

[billybob476]

I have to agrre with Just X on this one. Basically Callie was so distraught and defeated all she wanted to do was end it, get out. she didn't care about anyone else. Plus, with her usband turning out to be a Cylon, who else could she assume was human? Maybe she was worried she was a Cylon too!

[Rico]

Last night's episode was very interesting.  The focus was heavily on the Chief, Tigh and Baltar (I missed Starbuck).  I think the final four seem to be slowly losing it.  It's interesting to watch how each of them deals with it.  I'm starting to think more and more that "Head" 6 that Baltar sees is somehow a real entity.  I'm not sure how, but when Baltar kept getting picked up and beat down they seemed to make it very obvious that some outside force was pushing him along.  The stuff with Tigh and the Six in the brig was very interesting.  The show continues to confuse and impress me both at the same time.  I love it!   :cylon

[jedijeff]

Yes, I found the sequences with Baltar and getting beaten by the guards leading me to believe that head 6 is more then just in his head. It did look like something was picking him up and pushing him back into the guards. Yes, it seems like the final 4 are each losing it, as Chief really unravelled in the episode, and I am wondering if not replacing that part was intentional. The showdown between Chief and Adama was really intense as well. The stuff with Tigh and 6 as well was really interesting, and how he kept seeing ellen. I am thinking that Tigh is going to do something pretty big soon as well, similar to what Tori and Chief have done.