Galactica - Season 4 discussion (spoilers)

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It's the president. I'm almost 75% sure of it. It would explain her miracle cure. Her visions. Her wanting to get to Earth. The drug she's taking for the cancer blocked the switch. Cancer is sympathetic and it's no coincident that she was the ONLY government official to survive the initial attacks. She is also one that we would least expect.


As for who she was apologizing to, I think it was Tigh. She did try to exploit him being a drunk for the sake of her getting a story. She also went after him for the massacre.

[wraith1701]

Hmm; the final Cylon...

Roslyn is a strong candidate, esp. in light of her shared vision with Number Six at the end of last season, but I'm leaning more towards Baltar.   Here's why:

Last season, we learned that the human-model cylons are able to alter the way that they perceive reality, effectively giving them the ability to consciously hallucinate.  Remember when the Eight doing Ti Chi in the corridor of the Basestar envisioned herself exercising in a forest?  This ability seems very similar to the hallucinations of Number Six that have been plaguing Baltar.

When Caprica was nuked in the miniseries, Baltar's number six died.  We later see her resurrected in the episode "Downloaded".  Baltar was standing (well, crouching) right behind her when his house was demolished.  How did he survive when she did not?  I think it is very possible that he did die, and was then downloaded into another body being held by Six's accomplices on Caprica.

Baltar's number Six has her own "Head Baltar", just like the "Head Six" that Baltar has. 

The notion of Baltar being a Cylon seems so obvious, many fans will dismiss it out of hand.  For a lot of folks, he's one of the last people that they would suspect of being the final cylon.   I think this makes him a likely candidate.

As for who she was apologizing to, I think it was Tigh. She did try to exploit him being a drunk for the sake of her getting a story. She also went after him for the massacre.

This is what I think as well.  She didn't really have much interaction with any other character (except Baltar, of course).

[Blackride]

I personally think that Baltar is going to be the one to actually save the human race.

[Darth Gaos]

Yeah....so many good things about this series I don't where to start or what to think.  Alot of what I think is just kinda gut feelings...well here goes...

Great return episode...absolutely awesome.  I am with Kenny about the Adama shooting...figured it was an obvious dream but then the scene went on just a few seconds too long and I began thinking the same thing...Holy Poopie they killed the Admiral...no wait, it was a "dream".

Starbuck---Gosh I don't know what to believe here.  I definitely think she is being used as tool, but by who?  She has been having the visions of the Eye of Jupiter since she was a child.  But I just don't know if she actually does know the way to Earth.  She certainly believes and acts like she does, but I just keep flashing back to the Cylon telling her she will bring about the destruction of the human race.

Baltar-----I really like this story line with the "cult" following he now has.  I have never really seen him as a "Jesus" figure but definitely a messenger of "God" of some sort.  Again here is where I am not really sure how to articulate clearly my thoughts on this.  I must say though I really love how the show is written with the whole monotheistic and polytheistic religious subjects.  Very well done.

At this point I really don't know what to think.  I only know that I have feeling that everything is going to turn out 180 degrees from where everyone thinks it will.  Again, can't explain it, I just have this gut feeling that a VERY essential piece of the puzzle that, when revealed, will just throw everything we thought we knew right out the window. 

Finally, I hafta say that the thing that has bothered me and stuck with me since it was first uttered is the cylon in the tub who said..."All this has happened before and will happen again"....What the frak?!?!?  I believe it is the one of the parts of that essential pice of the puzzle I mentioned previously.

Who knows, I'll be watching though,....I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!
Well it is late...time for me to.........

JUMP!

[jedijeff]

I agree with Rico in Regards to Starbuck, in that a higher power such as the Ship of Lights brought her back. I do see where President Roslyn would be the most skeptical of Starbuck, as her character has been going that way over the series. As well, what Starbuck is saying, goes against her own beliefs that she came to in the first and second seasons, so I do not see her throwing those away to follow Starbucks visions.

Not sure what to make of Anders and the encounter with the Cylon, I tend to believe that they transmitted something to him, and maybe that was the reason for the attack. They knew the 4 had been activated, but needed to send something to them. Albeit a Risky attack as they could have killed the 4. Interested to see what more happens with this encounter.

It was interesting as well to see, that Lee decided against going back to his position in the fleet, and looking to a government position. Not unexpected, so will be interesting to see how the relationship between Adama and Apollo plays out because of this. I suspect we will see Lee in a Viper again before the series is over.

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Another reason I don't think that the Cylons knew about the four was the nature of the attack. We don't know if the Final Five Resurrect. If they did, wouldn't the others only need look in the body shop to see what they look like?

This also holds true with Athena/Boomer attacking the Raiders. Never before have they stopped to send messages to them even when they were revealed to be Cylons. They fought. They knew Boomer was on the fleet and they still attacked.

This brings me to the Final Five. They suddenly wake up. They still don't stop the attack even though it's right when they wake up.

Anders lets them know "Hey I'm one of you." and the Cylons turn tail.

They still don't know how many of the final five are there. It could only be Anders. but the Attack is halted.

I think it was done because even if Anders wasn't on one of the targeted ships, he could have been caught in the crossfire and killed. Without a means of resurrection, that's bad.

I also don't think that they can control the Final Five. Look at what they did to poor Tigh on New Caprica. Standing right next to them, they couldn't notice he was a Cylon. Even when they messed up his eye, they didn't notice.

I think the Five are programmed to let others know that they are Cylons, but this only works after they are "awakened". Otherwise Tigh would have faired much better on NC.

[Darth Gaos]

Is it possible that the Final Five are more closely linked to the Raiders and Centurions than the other 7 models?  Meaning do the Radiers/Centurions have some sort of programming to show more.....loyalty or reverence, I guess....to the Final (Original?) Five skinjobs.  Something that the other 7 models may not be aware of. Does that make sense?

[sheldor]

One thing that is a puzzle.  They are following the course layed out by the 13th colony-Eye of Jupiter, etc.  Kara says they're going in the wrong direction.   I'm sure Kara is right but what does it say about the clues left behind ?  Maybe they misinterpreted the clues.  Guess we will find out.

[wraith1701]

One thing that is a puzzle.  They are following the course layed out by the 13th colony-Eye of Jupiter, etc.  Kara says they're going in the wrong direction.   I'm sure Kara is right but what does it say about the clues left behind ?  Maybe they misinterpreted the clues.  Guess we will find out.

The Maelstrom Kara flew into could have been a wormhole, or shortcut leading to Earth.  By following the course laid out by the scrolls, they may be actually heading towards Earth while simultaneously heading away from the shortcut provided by the maelstrom.

[Rico]

Her Viper seemed to blow up real good though. 

[wraith1701]

Yep; and the one she returns with is brand new.  I think someone earlier pointed out a likely possibility- The "Leoben" she encounters in her vision is RDM's version of one of the beings from the Ship Of Lights.  After all, he seems a lot more benevolent than the other versions of Leoben that we've seen, and when she asks him about his identity, he says that he "never said that he was Leoben".  Maybe the Ship Of Light beings have some kind of connection to Starbuck, and they save her from the exploding viper and create a new one for her, then show her the way through the wormhole to Earth. 

[wraith1701]

Another outstanding episode tonight, featuring some really good acting by Mary Mcdonnell.  The scene with her and drunk Adama arguing about Starbuck was something else!

  It was also cool to see Brother Cavil again.  Looks like the Cylon civil war is here.  It should be interesting to see how it works out, esp. when you factor in the skinjob's ability to download into new bodies.   

By the way; I wonder if all of the Centurians are now fully sentient, or just a small group of them?

Two things i'm especially looking forward to next week-

-It seems as though the Centurians might not be the allies that 6 was hoping for.  I get the impression that they might be only a step away from turning on her and her faction as well...

-Based on the previews, it looks like Cally is going to find out that Tyrol (the father of her kid!) is a cylon.  This could pose a big threat to the Four.  A little birdie told me a while ago that this may very well be the last episode that we see her in...

[X]

-Based on the previews, it looks like Cally is going to find out that Tyrol (the father of her kid!) is a cylon.  This could pose a big threat to the Four.  A little birdie told me a while ago that this may very well be the last episode that we see her in...

Tyrol isn't the babydaddy. If he was then they would have made a point to bring up the child being half cylon by now. I don't think that they ever said that he was the father. We assumed he was because they were married when the year had passed, but we don't know that it is.

It's actually looking like he's not the father and the baby is just a human. Maybe someone comforted her after Chief broke her jaw.

[Geekyfanboy]

Wow.. what a fantastic episode.. I enjoyed this one even more then last weeks. So much is happening.. you can tell we are in for a wild ride this final season.

[Darth Gaos]

Couldn't agree more...great GREAT episode.  The writing and acting in this show is nothing short of phenomonal.  I agree wholeheartedly with Wraith, that scene in Adama's quarters was awesome and the whole President, Adama, Starbuck story has been great.  The centurions becoming sentient and, by the looks of the preview for next week, rebelling against their "masters".....Can  you say "All this has happened before and will happen again"?  My only complaint was that the Baltar/Presiden't Asst (I cannot for the life of me remember her name) storyline seemed rushed....She was pissed at Tigh for suggesting she get close to Baltar, SHe met with him in the mess hall, then was sleeping with him.  Don't get me wrong, it was well written and acted but it almost seemed like we missed a few steps oin between.

All in all, excellent episode and this season is shaping up to be the best.