Podcast # 161 - Generations

Rico · February 17, 2008, 11:03:56 AM

Just got Podcast # 161 finished and uploaded. This show is a bit longer and I spend a good amount of time covering the film. Some great audio from some of you as well really added to the show. Thanks for that. Hope you enjoy the podcast.

http://www.treksinscifi.com/podcasts/TreksInSciFi_161_Generations.mp3

billybob476 · February 17, 2008, 12:48:03 PM

Listening now. I was under the impression the bottle that christened the Enterprise B was a bottle of Dom Perrignon. Not Chateau Picard.

Been awhile since I've seen the movie so I may be wrong.

Rico · February 17, 2008, 01:18:59 PM

Yep - I goofed I that one. It isn't Picard's.

Jen · February 17, 2008, 02:00:32 PM

Enjoyed the podcast Rico! Though this isn't my fav ST film, I did enjoy several aspects and you covered most of them. :)

KingIsaacLinksr · February 17, 2008, 05:16:17 PM

As many have said, its not my favorite movie of the ST series but the music was one aspect I really enjoyed. Great movie, great podcast. Keep it up Rico!

King

wraith1701 · February 17, 2008, 11:36:37 PM

Cool podcast Rico!

Re. the changing uniforms-

I think that when this film came out, the "reverse-jumpsuit" type of uniform was the new standard Starfleet uniform- the crew of Voyager, as well as the Federation folks on DS9 all wore the same type of outfit.

I think that the producers were trying to have the Enterprise crew transition into these "new" uniforms... At the beginning of the film, one or two characters are wearing them, and as the film progressed, more and more crew members are sporting the new suits. In fact, by the end of the film, the entire crew (except for Worf) are wearing the new uniforms.

Fortunately, by the time First Contact rolls around, the Black and Gray uniforms become the new standard. 8)

Rico · February 18, 2008, 04:32:46 AM

Like I said on the podcast the movie was actually suppose to feature all new uniforms and they even made some test ones (and were used for some action figure designs). But those were scrapped. Because of limited time at that point, only some of the crew/characters were able to wear the new DS9 style uniforms (with the purple collar/undershirt). A few of the cast even borrowed uniforms from some of the DS9 cast. So yeah, we ended up with a mix of uniforms in the movie.

billybob476 · February 18, 2008, 05:52:56 AM

The uniform thing was a bit odd. It looks like the jumpsuits were meant as "work uniforms". Even in DS9, before they switched the the grey uniforms, starfleet officers that weren't stationed on DS9 still wore the TNG-style uniform.

Like when Worf first came onto the station, he was in his old uniform. Then, when he joined the crew, he switched.

wraith1701 · February 18, 2008, 09:34:06 AM

Quote from: billybob476 on February 18, 2008, 05:52:56 AM
The uniform thing was a bit odd. It looks like the jumpsuits were meant as "work uniforms". Even in DS9, before they switched the the grey uniforms, starfleet officers that weren't stationed on DS9 still wore the TNG-style uniform.

Like when Worf first came onto the station, he was in his old uniform. Then, when he joined the crew, he switched.

That's right; I forgot about that...

Way Of The Warrior took place after Generations, didn't it? If so, I guess that Worf never got used to the jumpsuits the crew of the Enterprise wore in that film. Or maybe after the destruction of the Ent-D, Picard decided that the new uniforms were a bad-luck charm, and had the crew get rid of them lol!

(yes, I know that there were real-life factors like time and cost that caused the mixed uniforms in Generations. My inner Fanboy is just trying to come up with a rationalization that fits in with Trek continuity... ;))

Ktrek · February 18, 2008, 12:21:51 PM

Thanks for doing the podcast on Generations. It's always fun to think about themes that the writers integrate into the storyline. The thought of one generation passing the baton on to the next, so to speak. You have the tragedy of Picard's brother and his nephew and so there will not be another generation of Picards.

Death is a common theme throughout. We have Kirk's death into the nexus, Picard's brother and nephew, the death of the lives lost when the nexus hits the transport vessels, the death of the research station personnel, the death of Lursa and B'Etor, the death of the Enterprise D, Soran's death, and the actual death of Kirk. And who knows how many died when the ENT-D crashed or when the ENT-B had the hull breaches.

Along with these is that thought that you cannot hold back time which ultimately leads to death. Picard's statement that "time is a companion along the journey to remind us to cherish the moment because they will never come again" is one of the best lines in Star Trek ever IMHO. Anyway, there are many thought provoking minutes in the film.

I enjoyed hearing Eric's comments. I also saw the film on opening day here in Denton, TX. I have to admit I was not all that impressed when I first saw it but I did go see it a second time at a better quality theater about 20 miles away and liked it much more on my second viewing.

I remember clearly when I saw it in Denton that when the crash scene occurred the whole house stood on their feet and were yelling "show it again! show it again!" and that went on for quite some time to the point where the theater stopped the film and the manager came and said he could not rewind the film to show it again. However, as you all know we do get to see a shortened version of it later in the film.

Since it's release I owned the VHS the day it came out. I bought the first DVD release of it and also the special edition. I have seen the film at least once a year, sometimes more, since it came out and the film continues to evolve and grow on me. Like Ricky I would give this a 4.1.

Thanks again Rico!

Kevin

billybob476 · February 18, 2008, 12:39:01 PM

I would contend that the best Picard line ever is from First Contact.

"NOOOOO!" *SMASH*

moyer777 · February 18, 2008, 01:07:10 PM

Rico- Just got done listening to the entire podcast. EXCELLENT! Thank you for reviewing this film. One of the reasons I like your reviews is that you bring out things I have thought about but had no one to ever really talk to about. I think that is why I like this forum too. People that notice stuff about the shows and films that the ordinary non geek wouldn't. Pretty cool.

Anyway it was great to hear from everyone else too. Everyone seemed to have a little different angle on it. Nice.

I got a kick out of Vartock's intro.. man, don't disturb the big guy's podcast time! :)

Thanks Rico.

KingIsaacLinksr · February 18, 2008, 01:28:32 PM

Quote from: billybob476 on February 18, 2008, 12:39:01 PM
I would contend that the best Picard line ever is from First Contact.

"NOOOOO!" *SMASH*

I cried inside when he damaged the Enterprises.

lol

King

Bryancd · February 18, 2008, 02:05:08 PM

Best line in Generations is when Riker say's,".....fire." :)

KingIsaacLinksr · February 18, 2008, 02:15:41 PM

Quote from: Bryancd on February 18, 2008, 02:05:08 PM
Best line in Generations is when Riker say's,".....fire." :)

Thats been immortalized.

King

Love it