Windows Phone 8 Summit

[billybob476]

Love a good dust up! :) Out of curiosity and ignorance about the term, jailbreaking means taking a device and installing software other then what it came with to do functions it wasn't designed to do, is that correct?

Just about yes, basically jailbreaking is installing a 3rd party OS on a locked down device (originally it meant only Apple devices but really any locked down device) and expose all of its capabilities. Jailbreaking an iPhone or iPad allows you to access the file system and many other things that apple purposefully locks users from.

[Dangelus]

Love a good dust up! :) Out of curiosity and ignorance about the term, jailbreaking means taking a device and installing software other then what it came with to do functions it wasn't designed to do, is that correct?

Pretty much. Jailbreaking takes advantage of an exploit or security whole in the system to inject foreign software that then allows the ability to run unsigned code on said system.

[Bryancd]

Love a good dust up! :) Out of curiosity and ignorance about the term, jailbreaking means taking a device and installing software other then what it came with to do functions it wasn't designed to do, is that correct?

Pretty much. Jailbreaking takes advantage of an exploit or security whole in the system to inject foreign software that then allows the ability to run unsigned code on said system.

And the obvious penealty for that is a voiding of the warranty, correct? And I assume you are not pirating software to accomplish this? If you purchase soemthing it's yours to do with as you wish. If what you do involves the use of intellectual property you didn't pay for then I agree it would be unethical and illegal. If not, I suppose it's akin to dropping a turbo charger in my car afetrmarket. It's my use choice and I accept that Jeep will not honor any warranties on the car. Sounds fair enough.

[Bryancd]

Love a good dust up! :) Out of curiosity and ignorance about the term, jailbreaking means taking a device and installing software other then what it came with to do functions it wasn't designed to do, is that correct?

Just about yes, basically jailbreaking is installing a 3rd party OS on a locked down device (originally it meant only Apple devices but really any locked down device) and expose all of its capabilities. Jailbreaking an iPhone or iPad allows you to access the file system and many other things that apple purposefully locks users from.

OK, that's more clear as well. Making alterations to a devices functionality doesn't seem like a bad thing as long as it's not done using hardware or software that was aquired without compensation.

[Dangelus]

Love a good dust up! :) Out of curiosity and ignorance about the term, jailbreaking means taking a device and installing software other then what it came with to do functions it wasn't designed to do, is that correct?

Pretty much. Jailbreaking takes advantage of an exploit or security whole in the system to inject foreign software that then allows the ability to run unsigned code on said system.

And the obvious penealty for that is a voiding of the warranty, correct? And I assume you are not pirating software to accomplish this? If you purchase soemthing it's yours to do with as you wish. If what you do involves the use of intellectual property you didn't pay for then I agree it would be unethical and illegal. If not, I suppose it's akin to dropping a turbo charger in my car afetrmarket. It's my use choice and I accept that Jeep will not honor any warranties on the car. Sounds fair enough.

Spot on Bryan. That's hacking your car in the true sense of the word! :)

Off course a lot of people do it to pirate. It is unfortunate side effect of opening up the system.

In fact, the Cydia store (the jailbreak app store) only includes 3rd party apps submitted by developers. A lot are free but they also have a payment system in place for paid apps. A great way to support these developers.  The founder of the store will not even accept apps into his repository that facilitate piracy never mind pirate apps.



As for warranty issues, not really an issue because you can reverse the process very easily.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Droid, Xbox, PS3, and I think Blackberry devices are also jailbroken/rooted as well. It is a common practice and not intended for piracy, but unfortunately not everyone follows the no-piracy bit.

A lot of features from iOS4 and iOS5 actually came from the jailbreaking community. The whole "swipe to unlock directly to an app via the lock screen notifications" is from a developer in the jailbreak community who was hired on to Apple before iOS5's release. So really, it's not a bad thing and has lead to advancements in iOS.

King

[Bryancd]

Droid, Xbox, PS3, and I think Blackberry devices are also jailbroken/rooted as well. It is a common practice and not intended for piracy, but unfortunately not everyone follows the no-piracy bit.

A lot of features from iOS4 and iOS5 actually came from the jailbreaking community. The whole "swipe to unlock directly to an app via the lock screen notifications" is from a developer in the jailbreak community who was hired on to Apple before iOS5's release. So really, it's not a bad thing and has lead to advancements in iOS.

King

But jailbreaking a device doesn't alter ones ability to pirate/steal or not, right? Perhaps it provides a higher level of functionality to facilitate pracy/stealing, but that's the users choice, correct?

I still agree with Al and have a zero tolerence policy towards piracy and I also get bent when people try and justify it.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Droid, Xbox, PS3, and I think Blackberry devices are also jailbroken/rooted as well. It is a common practice and not intended for piracy, but unfortunately not everyone follows the no-piracy bit.

A lot of features from iOS4 and iOS5 actually came from the jailbreaking community. The whole "swipe to unlock directly to an app via the lock screen notifications" is from a developer in the jailbreak community who was hired on to Apple before iOS5's release. So really, it's not a bad thing and has lead to advancements in iOS.

King

But jailbreaking a device doesn't alter ones ability to pirate/steal or not, right? Perhaps it provides a higher level of functionality to facilitate pracy/stealing, but that's the users choice, correct?

I still agree with Al and have a zero tolerence policy towards piracy and I also get bent when people try and justify it.

Yes, it is the users choice to go out and pirate. If you jailbroke your device right now and did nothing else, you still can't pirate software from the App Store. You have to find the correct settings and programs on the web in order to facilitate pirating software, but it is discouraged and not supported by the Cydia store which handles the mods for jailbreakers.

I jailbroke my devices for some of the cool features jailbreakers can get that isn't allowed by Apple at this time. For example, there is software called NCsettings that puts a bar of widgets in the notification menu that lets you turn on/off certain things like wifi, Bluetooth, airplane mode, etc. this means I don't have to go to the settings app all the time, its right there with a swipe.

King

[Dangelus]

Droid, Xbox, PS3, and I think Blackberry devices are also jailbroken/rooted as well. It is a common practice and not intended for piracy, but unfortunately not everyone follows the no-piracy bit.

A lot of features from iOS4 and iOS5 actually came from the jailbreaking community. The whole "swipe to unlock directly to an app via the lock screen notifications" is from a developer in the jailbreak community who was hired on to Apple before iOS5's release. So really, it's not a bad thing and has lead to advancements in iOS.

King

But jailbreaking a device doesn't alter ones ability to pirate/steal or not, right? Perhaps it provides a higher level of functionality to facilitate pracy/stealing, but that's the users choice, correct?

I still agree with Al and have a zero tolerence policy towards piracy and I also get bent when people try and justify it.

Well it alters ones ability to pirate in the sense that you can't pirate unless on iOS unless you're jailbroken, but yes it is the users choice and no different to it being your choice whether you break the law by shoplifting or paying for your stuff in a store.

[X]

Love a good dust up! :) Out of curiosity and ignorance about the term, jailbreaking means taking a device and installing software other then what it came with to do functions it wasn't designed to do, is that correct?

Pretty much. Jailbreaking takes advantage of an exploit or security whole in the system to inject foreign software that then allows the ability to run unsigned code on said system.

And the obvious penealty for that is a voiding of the warranty, correct? And I assume you are not pirating software to accomplish this? If you purchase soemthing it's yours to do with as you wish. If what you do involves the use of intellectual property you didn't pay for then I agree it would be unethical and illegal. If not, I suppose it's akin to dropping a turbo charger in my car afetrmarket. It's my use choice and I accept that Jeep will not honor any warranties on the car. Sounds fair enough.

In a nutshell, jailbreaking is allowing you to use apps that Apple doesn't get a cut of the sales for.

I'm amused by jailbreaking because when the ruling came down that you can't force someone to use only your stuff came down and made jailbreaking legal, Apple was a bit upset by it. The voiding of the warranty was their last ditch effort to keep people in the Itunes store eco system.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to use something you paid for in the manner that you want to use it in.