The cycling thread

[davekill]

you guys probably already know this - I found the term 'doping' to be a little misleading since we hear about performance enhancing steroid use in other sports.

In this case Lance Armstrong is accused of the practice of enhancing the number of his red bloods before an event by re-infusing his own blood drawn and stored before training.
This gives an edge to the athletes performance, but does not introduce any foreign chemical element.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_doping

I'm wondering who would be awarded the titles being taken away from Lance. The guy who doesn't dope and came in 35th?
Not saying this is right or Lance is guilty of what his accusers are saying, but this practice is so common, at worst the athletes are evening the playing field - but not growing giant legs, a thick neck and suffering bouts of 'roid rage'

[Bryancd]

you guys probably already know this - I found the term 'doping' to be a little misleading since we hear about performance enhancing steroid use in other sports.

In this case Lance Armstrong is accused of the practice of enhancing the number of his red bloods before an event by re-infusing his own blood drawn and stored before training.
This gives an edge to the athletes performance, but does not introduce any foreign chemical element.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_doping

I'm wondering who would be awarded the titles being taken away from Lance. The guy who doesn't dope and came in 35th?
Not saying this is right or Lance is guilty of what his accusers are saying, but this practice is so common, at worst the athletes are evening the playing field - but not growing giant legs, a thick neck and suffering bouts of 'roid rage'

Based on his self righteous and vocal public comments that he was the only rider to ever race clean and should be considered the greatest of all time, I would say all Tour titles should be awarded to Greg Lemond. ;)

[davekill]

yup, a good article...
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2012/08/bummed-about-lance-armstrong-theres-always-greg-lemond/

[Bryancd]

Minneapolis, MN -- Greg Lemond today released a statement that said he has, reluctantly and with great sadness, been forced to add the 2006 Tour de France to the long list of tours that he should have won. Lemond initially believed, and was even quoted in an earlier interview as saying, that this was the first clean Tour de France in many years. However, in light of the recent positive doping test of tour winner Floyd Landis, Lemond has concluded that, in all likelihood, he himself should have won the tour this year.

This brings the total number of Tours de France That Lemond Should Have Won (TDFTLSHW) to 167. Lemond first won the tour in 1986. However, as he has explained many times over the years since, he should have won the Tour in 1985, but was lied to by Bernard Hinault and cheated out of the race victory. Lemond next should have won the Tour in 1987 and 1988, but was incapacitated by a shotgun blast from his brother-in-law. While the incident was ruled an accident by the police, Lemond believes that his brother-in-law was working with Hinault and a young Texan by the name of Lance Armstrong to remove him from the sport.

Lemond came back to win the Tour in 1989 and 1990, but lost in 1991 due to the fact that, as incredible as it may sound, every other rider in the Tour de France besides Lemond was taking performance enhancing drugs. Lemond believes these drugs were supplied by Bernard Hinault, who realized that if nothing were done, Lemond would continue to win the Tour for the next 50 years. The drug-tainted Tour would continue through 2005, including the reign of Lance Armstrong. In the absence of doping, Lemond clearly would have won the Tour from 1991 to 2005, bringing the total number of TDFTLSHW to 21.

Going back before 1985, Lemond believes that in all likelihood, he would have won the Tour de France each year since his birth in 1961 if a) he had known about it and b) he had not had the small stature and limited leg length common to children between the ages of 0 and 10. As Lemond explains, clearly it would be unfair to him to discount the Tour wins he should have achieved were he only able to reach the pedals of his bicycle. This brings the TDFTLSHW to 45.

While Lemond concedes that some may believe him to be "stretching it" by including in his TDFTLSHW years from Tours before his birth, he claims that if one is to think about it logically, the only possible conclusion is that the greatest bike rider in the history of the Tour would absolutely have won the Tour since its inception in 1903, if only he had been alive at that time. It was not Greg Lemond's fault that his parents were not alive and able to conceive him in time to ride the initial Tour in 1903; thus, it would be unfair to strip him of the Tour wins that he rightly should have been awarded.

Note that there have been 11 years since its creation in 1903 that the Tour de France was not held due to the two World Wars. Clearly, stopping the Tour due to worldwide war would have been unfair to Greg Lemond, had he been alive, and would have in all likelihood, been a move orchestrated by Bernard Hinault, had he himself been alive, to keep Lemond from winning the tour. Thus, Lemond believes that these years should also be included in the TDFTLSHW, giving him a total of 103 wins.

Finally, Lemond explains that he has included the years between the invention of the bicycle to the first Tour de France (1839 to 1903) in the TDFTLSHW. Had the French had the foresight to create the Tour de France in a more timely manner, Lemond would have definitely won it each and every year, again assuming he had been alive (see above). Obviously Lemond cannot be blaimed for the shortsightedness and general ineptitude of the French, and therefore the victory from the Tours de France that should have been held in these years must be credited to Lemond, bringing the final tally of TDFTLSHW to 167.

Note that while Lemond has not yet been able to rationalize including years before the invention of the bicycle in the TDFTLSHW, he has created a company to pursue such an effort. The company is hard at work on a rationalization and hopes to produce one for him within the year.

[davekill]

 :roflmao

[Bryancd]

I can't take credit, but it is inspired. :)

[Bryancd]

My coach has loaned me his incredible brand new Cervelo P5 bike to train and race on for the Ironman World Championship and it's AWESOME.

[davekill]

pretty bike,  looks like a formula 1 racer.
I like the handle bars they're pretty wild.

The P5 - "designed in CFD (computational fluid dynamics) and validated in the wind tunnel."  :flying

there's a nice P5 with hydraulic brakes featured slowtwitch.com, just incredible
http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/The_Cervelo_P5_unveiled_2538.html

[Bryancd]

pretty bike,  looks like a formula 1 racer.
I like the handle bars they're pretty wild.

The P5 - "designed in CFD (computational fluid dynamics) and validated in the wind tunnel."  :flying

there's a nice P5 with hydraulic brakes featured slowtwitch.com, just incredible
http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/The_Cervelo_P5_unveiled_2538.html

Yeah, this bike has the hydraulic brakes, they are amazing.

[Bromptonboy]

Wow - amazing looking.  Look at that frame.  How much does the whole thing weigh?

[billybob476]

Wow - amazing looking.  Look at that frame.  How much does the whole thing weigh?

I bet you can lift it with your pinky. I posted a link to a look inside Cervelo's design studio back a few pages.

[Bryancd]

Actually, it's not as light as most high end road bikes. I mean look at all the carbon fiber! Time Trial bikes like this are designed for aerodynamic efficiency, not weight reduction. When it comes to going as fast a spossible, assuming you are not doing a TON of climbing, aero trumps weight considerations.

[Bromptonboy]

Last week I surpassed my personal goal for the year - cycle commuting 2,000 miles (3218.69K) back and forth to work.  I still have a few months to go, and hope to push it to 2,500.  Our area didn't have any snow to speak of, so I was able to rack up more miles Jan - March than I had anticipated.