Next Xbox Rumors

ChrisMC · February 19, 2012, 05:15:50 AM

Obviously it's probably going to be incoroporating a more responsive Kinect system, and supposedly it will be rocking a AMD 6670 chip. I expect it to be the best concole running games at the time of its release. HOWEVER the rumor that bugs me is that it will have a system that will prevent players from using second-hand games. I think that really sucks. We aren't talking about pirating here.

What about rentals? What about borrowing a game from a friend? I also expect that we may see a rise in game prices soon...and I think 60 bucks is an OK price....if your are buying Skyrim which gives you endless hours of play. Some games can be beat in 4 or 5 hours (Force Unleashed 2 anyone?). Maybe Microsoft is taking a cue from Apple with their proprietary take on buying music at the iTunes store. I will probabaly be getting an "Xbox 720" or whatever it will be called, but I'm guessing I'll be way more selective in game purchases if this rumor is true.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-won-t-play-used-games-says-report-1057564

Dangelus · February 19, 2012, 05:42:12 AM

Yep they want to kill the secondhand market as Microsoft and the publishers don't make any money on these.

KingIsaacLinksr · February 19, 2012, 11:31:28 AM

Quote from: Chris-El on February 19, 2012, 05:15:50 AM
Obviously it's probably going to be incoroporating a more responsive Kinect system, and supposedly it will be rocking a AMD 6670 chip. I expect it to be the best concole running games at the time of its release. HOWEVER the rumor that bugs me is that it will have a system that will prevent players from using second-hand games. I think that really sucks. We aren't talking about pirating here.

What about rentals? What about borrowing a game from a friend? I also expect that we may see a rise in game prices soon...and I think 60 bucks is an OK price....if your are buying Skyrim which gives you endless hours of play. Some games can be beat in 4 or 5 hours (Force Unleashed 2 anyone?). Maybe Microsoft is taking a cue from Apple with their proprietary take on buying music at the iTunes store. I will probabaly be getting an "Xbox 720" or whatever it will be called, but I'm guessing I'll be way more selective in game purchases if this rumor is true.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-won-t-play-used-games-says-report-1057564

Actually, IF they are going to prevent the second-hand market, they are taking a cue from Steam and other digital-download services where second-hand markets don't exist at all. (Unless you consider piracy, which is technically sharing games with others). And as Dangelus said, Gamestop and the rest have been rather obstinate about making sure publishers don't make any money off their markets and if MS does decide to go ahead and stop this practice, it would be Gamestop and related's fault for not giving them a piece of the pie. It would also immediately kill Gamestop and related which would be interesting. I have a feeling they would probably cut a deal with MS to prevent their businesses from being destroyed like that, so ultimately, I wouldn't worry too much.

However, if that were to happen, that is playing with fire and Microsoft should know that. I would guess that the reaction would be very negative from the console crowd and would put a lot of hurt on early-upgraders buying new consoles. I have a feeling that a lot of console players would simply stick with their current-gen consoles and wait. But I'm mostly guessing at this point, there are way too many variables to make a solid guess on what such a restriction would do in the console market. It would be a high-risk move.

King

Dangelus · February 19, 2012, 01:23:01 PM

If they do it then the publishers will put a lot of pressure on Sony and Nintendo to do the same with their next generation of consoles. We may see publishers releasing games for the Xbox exclusively if they don't which I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't mind at all ;)

ElfManDan · February 19, 2012, 03:21:26 PM

I think it's a truly stupid idea, what about just lending a game to a friend, or what if you have to get a new X-Box cause your X-Box breaks. Does that mean you'd have to replace all your games too.

If they do streaming downloads, like they do a little now that's a little different. I don't mind getting rid of the physical copies of games so much and used X-Box Live online to keep track of everything I could see it working better, but this would kill Gamestops and businesses like it.

ChrisMC · February 19, 2012, 03:34:17 PM

Quote from: Sheppard on February 19, 2012, 03:21:26 PM
I think it's a truly stupid idea, what about just lending a game to a friend, or what if you have to get a new X-Box cause your X-Box breaks. Does that mean you'd have to replace all your games too.

I think the game would be linked to your Gamertag.

X · February 19, 2012, 04:00:57 PM

This rumor has already bene debunked and there's no New xbox coming any time soon.

Jobydrone · February 21, 2012, 08:53:16 AM

Quote from: X on February 19, 2012, 04:00:57 PM
This rumor has already bene debunked and there's no New xbox coming any time soon.

source?

ChrisMC · February 21, 2012, 09:25:40 AM

Microsoft has said that there won't be a console released in 2012. But it's fairly well known in the industry and those who watch it that MS will be releasing a console in Q3 or Q4 of 2013.

KingIsaacLinksr · February 21, 2012, 09:31:58 AM

I don't envy companies who have to push the graphics on games up a notch for the next couple of years on consoles. Because by the looks of MW3, the console is already at its limits...

King

Dangelus · February 21, 2012, 10:04:10 AM

I can see them wanting to implement this sort of copy protection, it doesn't seem too difficult to me. We've had a system in place for years: serial number licenses.

It isn't full proof on PCs as they are easily circumvented but on a close system console? No problem there.

I think the best part of the rumour involves talk of Microsoft adopting Blu-Ray for the next console, bringing with it Blu-Ray movie playback presumably. Add to that all the network media capabilities of the console and hopefully it will continue to be a Media Center extender too. Very tempting.

KingIsaacLinksr · February 21, 2012, 10:08:30 AM

Quote from: Dangelus on February 21, 2012, 10:04:10 AM
I can see them wanting to implement this sort of copy protection, it doesn't seem too difficult to me. We've had a system in place for years: serial number licenses.

It isn't full proof on PCs as they are easily circumvented but on a close system console? No problem there.

I think the best part of the rumour involves talk of Microsoft adopting Blu-Ray for the next console, bringing with it Blu-Ray movie playback presumably. Add to that all the network media capabilities of the console and hopefully it will continue to be a Media Center extender too. Very tempting.

I wouldn't count on the licenses. While I'm not sure about your specific example, console piracy still exists on consoles. So presumably, ppl could get around that as well. Heck, even if MS implemented this suggestion, people will eventually find a way around it.

As for the media center thing, that does seem to be the other goal of Xboxes these days so Blu-ray makes sense.

King

Dangelus · February 21, 2012, 10:21:29 AM

Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 21, 2012, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 21, 2012, 10:04:10 AM
I can see them wanting to implement this sort of copy protection, it doesn't seem too difficult to me. We've had a system in place for years: serial number licenses.

It isn't full proof on PCs as they are easily circumvented but on a close system console? No problem there.

I think the best part of the rumour involves talk of Microsoft adopting Blu-Ray for the next console, bringing with it Blu-Ray movie playback presumably. Add to that all the network media capabilities of the console and hopefully it will continue to be a Media Center extender too. Very tempting.

I wouldn't count on the licenses. While I'm not sure about your specific example, console piracy still exists on consoles. So presumably, ppl could get around that as well. Heck, even if MS implemented this suggestion, people will eventually find a way around it.

As for the media center thing, that does seem to be the other goal of Xboxes these days so Blu-ray makes sense.

King

Console piracy exists yes but you have to hack the console which is very difficult these days. The 360 hasn't been completely hacked by the way, you need to do all sorts of soldering and need a specific motherboard etc. The disc drive was hacked but with a license system in p,ace this wouldn't matter.

KingIsaacLinksr · February 21, 2012, 10:24:55 AM

*shrug*. Either way, adding licenses or restrictions on discs will be unpopular. I can't imagine anyone saying they want these coming to Xbox...

King

Dangelus · February 21, 2012, 10:32:26 AM

Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 21, 2012, 10:24:55 AM
*shrug*. Either way, adding licenses or restrictions on discs will be unpopular. I can't imagine anyone saying they want these coming to Xbox...

King

If the next Xbox came with disc licenses but the games were half the price how about then? I'm not talking silly DRM that some PC games have these days, this will be built into the hardware so no problem for the consumer.

You buy a game, type in your code (ties it to your gamer tag) and off you go.