iPhone 4G?

[Bryancd]

Keep in mind, as I mentioned above, I have a friend with a 3G which has never had any issue's but is now as soon as he updated to the new OS, so clearly there is soemthing amiss with the software that is causing connectivity issues and data drops and slow functionality, according to him.

[QuadShot]

Bryan,
Oh yes, I agree with you there.  I think the iOS4 is certainly a problem.  I loaded that on my 3G and my wife's 3G before we bought the iPhone 4's, and we started having problems we never had before...Man...can't we just have EVERYTHING we want? :)

[Bromptonboy]

Really?  So far I haven't had any problems with iOS4 on my 3Gs.  The only thing that annoyed me was that my background wallpaper got changed after the upgrade to some annoying water drops.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Really?  So far I haven't had any problems with iOS4 on my 3Gs.  The only thing that annoyed me was that my background wallpaper got changed after the upgrade to some annoying water drops.

You can change it in settings.

[Feathers]

You see I've only ever heard of all this dropped call stuff from the US. It's never been reported over here that I've heard so I've always believed it to be an AT&T issue. It's certainly not an O2 issue.

There's too much mud in this water to see clearly what's going on yet Apple squarely take the blame for it all. Even here, no-one 'knows' what the problem is yet ewryones happy to offer advice based on their own biases and assumptions.

I agree that the Apple letter looks a little out of place with the problem but let's at least see what goes on before jumping to too many more confusions (sic).

[QuadShot]

Feathers, do you think that maybe the new OS is conflicting with ATT hardware? Maybe like trying to run Windows 7 on a PC manufactured in 2000? I was wondering this myself...

[billybob476]

I've been having a few little random issues since the OS update. This morning my battery showed in the red even thought my phone had been charging all night. Had to soft reset and it started working again. Also occasionally the iPod app crashes to home screen, just need to open it again and it works but I have NEVER had any issues with the basic Apple apps before.

[Rico]

Here's the thing that's nagging at me still.  How did they miss this and if it is at least partially software related why isn't it patched yet?  I still think a big part of it is hardware and they are "white washing" it with talk of signal bars and software fixes.  They want to wait a few weeks so everyone will be past their 30 days and then find out it still isn't resolved.  At least that's my theory.

[X]

Feathers, do you think that maybe the new OS is conflicting with ATT hardware? Maybe like trying to run Windows 7 on a PC manufactured in 2000? I was wondering this myself...

There shouldn't be any ATT hardware, it should all be Apple hardware. Most phones are universal unless they are locked and it's not any real network hardware.

[X]

Here's the thing that's nagging at me still.  How did they miss this and if it is at least partially software related why isn't it patched yet?  I still think a big part of it is hardware and they are "white washing" it with talk of signal bars and software fixes.  They want to wait a few weeks so everyone will be past their 30 days and then find out it still isn't resolved.  At least that's my theory.

I totally agree with you Rico. It's a ploy to wait out the return dates. Stocks would take a nose dive if everyone returned their phones. My problem with it is the lack of logic behind it. They are talking about rewriting the code to make the bars change. This will eaither make the whole ATT network seem like a two bar desert, or it will mask the flaw in the phone's connectivity by placing it on the shoulders of the network.

What it doesn't do is address the problem that people are having with the phones.

[Bryancd]

That's completely incorrect. They don't need to have a "ploy" and any effort to act in anything other than good faith for their customers opens them up to liability. Really, this is ugly rumor mongering. Apple has NEVER managed their business based upon their stock price at any given moment. If you actually followed the company for as long as I have and understood more about what equity and enterprise value really are all about, how markets determine share pricing, and looked back on any number of issues the company has gone through (most notably Steve Job's health leave of absence), the company has always acted in good faith towards it's shareholders.

Clearly they are working on resolving the problems people have had but to characterize it as a stall tactic to push people beyond their warranties is very unfair.

[Bryancd]

By the way, the S&P is down another 5% from my June 30th PSA warning about the market and it's still got ways to go.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

I agree with Bryan.  Apple has never struck me as a company that "has a ploy".  That has never been really reflective of their products which have always done well.  This is simply a new transition period they are going through and there are always rough spots with companies.  With ANY companies it has always been this way.  

King

[Feathers]

On the dropped calls thing, I think I'm probably erring to the side of blaming the network rather than the hardware. I can't say I've looked into other countries to see if the same is occurring but with iPhone on every network over here, I'm just not hearing anything.

Whether iPhone 4 hardware is more susceptible than others or something in the OS trips over a compatibility issue of some sort, I can't say. I guess it's possible but I'm not sure how likely.

[Bromptonboy]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703636404575353143173830712.html?mod=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1&

Looks like the network (Alcatel switches) are partly responsible.