Stargate: Universe - possible spoilers

Serenity · November 14, 2009, 06:32:39 AM

Great Episode!! Almost a little "blair witch" with the shaky camera from the Keeno point of view.
I think the show is really finding its own.

cassious · November 14, 2009, 09:43:09 AM

This one weirded me out a bit, but I did enjoy it. I'm thinking it might be a bit of a two-parter maybe. If they are leaving it where it ended, I don't think I'll like that. But overall, it was really neat.

Rico · November 15, 2009, 05:57:53 AM

Ok - this last episode ("Time") was good but I'm confused. Read on,...

[spoiler]Are we now to just assume they got they last message from Scott and they all did what he told them? I mean that really needs to be shown. Did the message go back in time enough to stop everyone from dying of the disease? It looks like next week's episode isn't a continuation of this one. I feel kind of ripped off. I kept looking at the time and seeing the episode was nearing the end and things were still not resolved. I'm kind of upset by the lack of a real ending.[/spoiler]

moyer777 · November 15, 2009, 08:31:06 AM

[spoiler]I think they didn't have enough time to resolve it and they are expecting us to draw the lines. I'm ok with that, it was just enough on the edge, but you are right, I was curious as to how they figured it out. Maybe there will be some type of reference in the next one. It was a safe way to kill of regular cast members without actually taking them off the show.

Those pesky time paradoxes. :)[/spoiler]

X · November 15, 2009, 08:58:12 AM

[spoiler] Rick is right about us being expected to draw the lines. I think it was a brilliant piece of story telling. It was similar to the old TNG episode where they kept getting destroyed until the finally understood the message from the past. In this case, they are simply building on actions that they learned without having to worry about showing us learning over and over again. Each subsequent paradox build on the previous information. When Scott sends his message, it's on a fresh Keyno so they aren't wasting hours reviewing the tape.

I think that it was great for them to assume the audience was smart enough to put it all together. I think that it was a perfect ending to a time shift story because it ended with the beginning. [/spoiler]

Rico · November 15, 2009, 09:19:00 AM

Still not real happy with the ending,...

[spoiler]I think they assumed a bit too much for the ending on this one. It wasn't as simple as getting that last message from Scott. In order for everything to work out, they still had to get the message sent back in time soon enough to stop what happens. I mean didn't they still have to get the bug/worm things for the antidote? That didn't look real easy from the attempt they showed. This isn't like just going back and changing one decision they made. A lot had to work for them all to survive. I like the concept, but it needed a better resolution. Too many assumptions have to be made the way they ended it.[/spoiler]

X · November 15, 2009, 10:02:49 AM

Quote from: Rico on November 15, 2009, 09:19:00 AM
Still not real happy with the ending,...

[spoiler]I think they assumed a bit too much for the ending on this one. It wasn't as simple as getting that last message from Scott. In order for everything to work out, they still had to get the message sent back in time soon enough to stop what happens. I mean didn't they still have to get the bug/worm things for the antidote? That didn't look real easy from the attempt they showed. This isn't like just going back and changing one decision they made. A lot had to work for them all to survive. I like the concept, but it needed a better resolution. Too many assumptions have to be made the way they ended it.[/spoiler]

I get what you're saying, but I came back with something different.

[spoiler] The get the message early in the day and aren't spending hours trying to see what happened. They are told to do it in the daytime and about the solar flare. So, for me it was only a matter of them going in the day time, blowing up a few hives and getting some of the creatures while they were prone. With what Scott said, it makes perfect sense. no time will be wasted on the quarantine. Given what we saw on the creatures in the day, it would have been a cake walk with the fore knowledge of Scott's message.

The first message showed them what happened, but did not give them perspective to know the whole story. Scott's message distilled all that info and the info from the second attempt into what was needed. A short message that told them exactly what was happening and how solve it. It also told them of the best way to get to that solution.

Sure, they could have sent another team to find the new message and then get the antidote, but it would not have been a compelling story. They have time to work before people start dying and they know when do to it. They also have a time portal to use to fix the mistakes and keep fixing the mistake until they get a perfect solution. Even if it's only a few steps at a time, they have all the time on their hands that they will ever need to get everything right. I don't think we need to see each step to assume that at some point they will be totally successful. [/spoiler]

Java The Hut · November 15, 2009, 12:34:31 PM

I found a video to explain it...

StarGate Universe 1x08 Time - Solution (Kino 18 - New Kind of Crazy)

Serenity · November 15, 2009, 01:24:30 PM

Hey great clip!! Thanks for posting that.

I wonder when Eli is going to find a new t-shirt?? I'm also lovin all the Star Wars remarks.

Rico · November 15, 2009, 01:34:39 PM

Now why couldn't they have included some of that in the episode? Would have been a lot better. The fact they actually made this clip kind of tells you they know they needed to include a bit more for this episode.

Java The Hut · November 15, 2009, 08:04:57 PM

there are a lot Stargate Universe - Kino videos over at http://www.youtube.com/user/StargateCentral#p/u/16/92_xNVVmtDk
most are of Eli showing different parts of the ship, might be DVD extras ?

ori-STUDFARM · November 17, 2009, 02:32:35 PM

I've just watched this tonight....and thought it was great. Nice to see them actually moving on and having adventures now.

[spoiler]I love the Doc Emmet Brown view of alternate timelines. So we now have to have 2 failed timelines to happen for the current timeline to succeed. I can live with that...although, I kinda hope they show the conclusion of this final timeline.[/spoiler]

Feathers · November 17, 2009, 02:51:02 PM

I loved this episode!

For a start we had a Stargate program dealing with issues with the...Stargate then...

[spoiler]...we have the fact that it took two iterations to get things to work properly. I didn't see that coming initially so when the first person died on the ship I really thought we'd lost someone (that needs to happen sooner or later BTW).

I figured the venom as a cure straight off and I'm not wholly happy that they happen to find the one planet with a cure for the disease...but this is TV and they need a resolution so I can accept it.

I liked the end and the fact that they left it to us to work out the rest. Initially I jumped off the sofa with a 'what!' but once I sat down I thought it was kind of nice that they trusted me that far with the story.

Watching the Keeno bits online spoiled that feeling slightly, however, as I realised that I'd missed a couple of details - like the fact that the Destiny would find both Keenos on the planet and not just the last one Scott sent. It's perfectly correct but was a detail I'd missed.

The stargate issue of flare loopbacks wasn't new but it gave us a gate related show and that's what Stargate shows need to be.[/spoiler]

Good episode!

ori-STUDFARM · November 17, 2009, 03:13:45 PM

[spoiler]I didn't like the idea of the cure being found on a different planet to that of the illness origin. I would have been happier if they were both from the same planet. My initial thoughts were "thats convenient"

But then I thought about how the Destiny seems to work. It takes them to planets and locations that they need to go to for survival. I wonder if Destiny knew they would all start to fall ill and so deliberately took the to the closest planet with the cure.....intersting if this proves to be the case!

Next stop, a planet with the biggest weapons cache you can ever imagine....Now that would lead to a VERY exciting episode! What threat would justify the ship heading to that!?? :)

BTW, the ship is called Destiny isn't it? I'm not quite 100% on that....[/spoiler]

Feathers · November 17, 2009, 03:36:04 PM

Yeah, this shop is the Destiny.

[spoiler]If ir's reached the point where the ship can diagnose diseases that the crew isn't even aware of yet AND work out which planet in a specific galaxy has a cure AND that planet happens to have a gate then it's a little to much for me.

I can live with convenience far easier than I can accept predestination driven by an all-seeing ship![/spoiler]