Kanye West disses Taylor Swift

[X]

I don't what's getting into people lately.  What happened to common courtesy?  Are parents not teaching this to their children anymore?

Not to go all religious on you, but you did ask. All of these things we're talking about are part of the fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3: 1-5. Read it and tell me it doesn't sound just like what we hear in the news everyday lately.

The problem with that is that Kanye is reported to be a very religious person that has done nothing but show respect for his mother. It also seems that anyone could be made to fit the above descriptions if we all pick and choose what negative traits we want to highlight. Using your above example, while he might fit the five points you highlighted, he doesn't fit the 12 items that were not highlighted.

I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say that nothing at all has changed except that we're able to see it. Crimes like abductions and such have actually decreased in recent years, but the way it's shown in the news makes it seem epidemic. I honestly don't think that much of anything has changed and would be surprised when it does.

The VMAs are notorious for allowing idiots to do idiotic things. Kayne was stupid, but who in the hell thought it was a bright idea to give him a mic or allow him on the stage? This benefited the VMAs and boosted the viewership. I think the advertisers are happy that it happened.

[X]

I think Kanye's goal was reached. We are talking about him.

You hit the nail right on the head. It's all about publicity and him reinforcing his "badboy reputation. Now he doesn't really even have to do any work in the studio for people too be talking about him. And the sad thing is that every time he half-heartedly apologizes on camera he's still getting air time. all at the expense of Ms. Swift. And all the drama will probably increase his music sales a little bit too.

I didn't know he had a bad boy image. I do think it will benefit Ms. Swift far more than it would Mr. West. I personally don't usually go out of my way to buy country music and I don't watch the VMAs, but I was seriously considering giving iTUNES a search to check out her video and see what else she has to offer. If this didn't make the news, I wouldn't have even considered it. My exposure to Taylor Swift has been more from that Dream skit and Oprah.

However! I do find it funny that she and Kanye share a musical connection to T-Pain. Maybe he can knock some sense into Kanye.

[ChadH]

I think Kanye's goal was reached. We are talking about him.

You hit the nail right on the head. It's all about publicity and him reinforcing his "badboy reputation. Now he doesn't really even have to do any work in the studio for people too be talking about him. And the sad thing is that every time he half-heartedly apologizes on camera he's still getting air time. all at the expense of Ms. Swift. And all the drama will probably increase his music sales a little bit too.

I didn't know he had a bad boy image. I do think it will benefit Ms. Swift far more than it would Mr. West. I personally don't usually go out of my way to buy country music and I don't watch the VMAs, but I was seriously considering giving iTUNES a search to check out her video and see what else she has to offer. If this didn't make the news, I wouldn't have even considered it. My exposure to Taylor Swift has been more from that Dream skit and Oprah.

However! I do find it funny that she and Kanye share a musical connection to T-Pain. Maybe he can knock some sense into Kanye.

Hmmm...yeah, you're correct I did jump to conclusions about his "bad boy" image. I don't actually listen to his music other than what I may have overheard from my kids. My mistake there.
I'm glad if Taylor Swift got some benefit from the whole scene.
But, I still believe it was all about exposure and creating a buzz.

[alanp]

It's sad that people either have never learned manners or to respect others.  Either that or they think they are above and beyond all that.  It's like that guy in Congress yelling out "You lie!" at the President last week during his speech on health care.  I don't care what you think of the President, his health care plan, the tie he wears, none of that allows for that type of behavior.  It's rude, disrespectful and just plain dumb.

Well, part of me feels the same way because he is the president but another part is uncomfortable with a system where the president speaks and only good feedback is allowed.  I kind of think either they should have to sit there quietly with no cheers or negative feed back or it should have a potential for a free for all.

[Jaames]

The problem with that is that Kanye is reported to be a very religious person...

That's part of my point. Notice the verse "They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them."

that has done nothing but show respect for his mother.

Many a serial killer has been a momma's boy. That's an extreme example I know, but loving your mother doesn't make you a good person.

It also seems that anyone could be made to fit the above descriptions if we all pick and choose what negative traits we want to highlight. Using your above example, while he might fit the five points you highlighted, he doesn't fit the 12 items that were not highlighted.

I guarantee he fits more than the 6 six I highlighted. I only highlighted what applied specifically to this instance. Besides these verses are a general overview of people's attitudes in general. Do you really think you have to display every single one of these traits to be considered a bad person? I don't thinks so.

I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say that nothing at all has changed except that we're able to see it.

Good point. We are alot more connected than we've ever been. The world seems smaller because of that. Granted, these things have always been happening, but I would argue that they are in fact more prevalent today than they were even 50 years ago.

The VMAs are notorious for allowing idiots to do idiotic things. Kayne was stupid, but who in the hell thought it was a bright idea to give him a mic or allow him on the stage? This benefited the VMAs and boosted the viewership. I think the advertisers are happy that it happened.

There I absolutely agree with you.

[Jaames]

It's sad that people either have never learned manners or to respect others.  Either that or they think they are above and beyond all that.  It's like that guy in Congress yelling out "You lie!" at the President last week during his speech on health care.  I don't care what you think of the President, his health care plan, the tie he wears, none of that allows for that type of behavior.  It's rude, disrespectful and just plain dumb.

Well, part of me feels the same way because he is the president but another part is uncomfortable with a system where the president speaks and only good feedback is allowed.  I kind of think either they should have to sit there quietly with no cheers or negative feed back or it should have a potential for a free for all.

It's not WHAT he said, it's HOW he said it that showed disrespect.

[X]

The problem with that is that Kanye is reported to be a very religious person...

That's part of my point. Notice the verse "They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them."

that has done nothing but show respect for his mother.

Many a serial killer has been a momma's boy. That's an extreme example I know, but loving your mother doesn't make you a good person.

It also seems that anyone could be made to fit the above descriptions if we all pick and choose what negative traits we want to highlight. Using your above example, while he might fit the five points you highlighted, he doesn't fit the 12 items that were not highlighted.

I guarantee he fits more than the 6 six I highlighted. I only highlighted what applied specifically to this instance. Besides these verses are a general overview of people's attitudes in general. Do you really think you have to display every single one of these traits to be considered a bad person? I don't thinks so.

I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say that nothing at all has changed except that we're able to see it.

Good point. We are alot more connected than we've ever been. The world seems smaller because of that. Granted, these things have always been happening, but I would argue that they are in fact more prevalent today than they were even 50 years ago.

The VMAs are notorious for allowing idiots to do idiotic things. Kayne was stupid, but who in the hell thought it was a bright idea to give him a mic or allow him on the stage? This benefited the VMAs and boosted the viewership. I think the advertisers are happy that it happened.

There I absolutely agree with you.

But the scripture says they will disrespect their parents. I think this is a case trying to make the shoe fit than the shoe actually fitting. 50 years ago, the world was just as bad. Maybe it was better for some people, but for others it sucked. If you want to present something as prophecy, then all measure of the prophecy should be covered. Here is the problem with prophecy.

Two years ago, I said a bunch of very random things would happen and out of the 10 random things that I said would happen, all 10 of them happened within six months, not 2000 years, of me saying it. Anyone a student of human nature and the weather could give 10 vague prophecies and have them come true within a year.

My very religious friend who I told my predictions to was floored that they all happened so soon after I said them, but we both agreed that it had nothing to do with divine intervention.

I can name few societies where those traits were not represented at one time or another.

My point is that it's self fulfilling and not quite the end of days as the quote suggests.

[alanp]

I don't really know much about Taylor Swift but I enjoyed her show with Def Leopard.

I think Kanye is an idiot and don't think he's worthy of attention. 

I heard the outrage and when I watched the video I thought, 'Thats it?'  I was expecting he did something worse.  But yeah that wasn't nice.  How did Taylor handle it?  Someone good on the mic could have covered.

And the best video ever made was November Rain.

[Rico]

It's sad that people either have never learned manners or to respect others.  Either that or they think they are above and beyond all that.  It's like that guy in Congress yelling out "You lie!" at the President last week during his speech on health care.  I don't care what you think of the President, his health care plan, the tie he wears, none of that allows for that type of behavior.  It's rude, disrespectful and just plain dumb.

Well, part of me feels the same way because he is the president but another part is uncomfortable with a system where the president speaks and only good feedback is allowed.  I kind of think either they should have to sit there quietly with no cheers or negative feed back or it should have a potential for a free for all.

When the President is giving a speech you don't interrupt - and certainly not with words yelled out.  This wasn't a comedy club.  There is plenty of time in Congress and other meetings to discuss his proposal.  During his speech certainly isn't one of those times.

[Jaames]

But the scripture says they will disrespect their parents. I think this is a case trying to make the shoe fit than the shoe actually fitting. 50 years ago, the world was just as bad. Maybe it was better for some people, but for others it sucked. If you want to present something as prophecy, then all measure of the prophecy should be covered. Here is the problem with prophecy.

Two years ago, I said a bunch of very random things would happen and out of the 10 random things that I said would happen, all 10 of them happened within six months, not 2000 years, of me saying it. Anyone a student of human nature and the weather could give 10 vague prophecies and have them come true within a year.

My very religious friend who I told my predictions to was floored that they all happened so soon after I said them, but we both agreed that it had nothing to do with divine intervention.

I can name few societies where those traits were not represented at one time or another.

My point is that it's self fulfilling and not quite the end of days as the quote suggests.

I see where you are coming from, and agree that your prophecy had nothing to do with divine intervention (when I referred to you as a geek god a few months ago, I wasn't being THAT literal) but I still contest that globally speaking the world has never been in this state since the flood of Noah's day. And we know what happened then.

I'm not trying to make the verse fit, I honestly believe it does. And I also honestly believe in a higher power who said "I am coming as a thief in the night" (meaning we don't know exactly when) but also gave us signs to look for and watch out for that would tell us it's close.

Now please, no one say that I think Kanye West is a sign from God. We all know he doesn't need any more encouragement.  ;D

[X]

I see where you are coming from, and agree that your prophecy had nothing to do with divine intervention (when I referred to you as a geek god a few months ago, I wasn't being THAT literal) but I still contest that globally speaking the world has never been in this state since the flood of Noah's day. And we know what happened then.

I'm not trying to make the verse fit, I honestly believe it does. And I also honestly believe in a higher power who said "I am coming as a thief in the night" (meaning we don't know exactly when) but also gave us signs to look for and watch out for that would tell us it's close.

Now please, no one say that I think Kanye West is a sign from God. We all know he doesn't need any more encouragement.  ;D

Every decade, someone sees what's going on and thinks that the end of days is upon us, but it's not. I know we tend to gloss over the past, but let me put it into perspective.

1990's War in the middle east, Rwandan Genocide, world trade center, oklahoma city, congo wars, first Chechen war, earth quakes, riots,
1980's Aids pandemic is slaughtering people, tiannamen's square, Mt St Hellens, US drought, numerous huge earthquakes and hurricanes, chernobyl, Bhopal disaster,
1970's Oil embargo, Cold War, Vietnam, Afghanistan, skyjackings, year of three popes, Iran hostage crisis, soweto uprising,
1960's numerous assassinations, bay of pigs ... and the list goes on

I'm a student of history and I think that people tend to see the past with rose colored glasses or that Andy Griffin, Father knows best, and Dobie Gillis were accurate records of how the past was when it couldn't be further from the truth.

[alanp]

Every decade, someone sees what's going on and thinks that the end of days is upon us, but it's not. I know we tend to gloss over the past, but let me put it into perspective.

That is correct.  I had a conversation with a relative who is a pastor and who preached a sermon about how bad things are now and have never been so bad.  The sermon was about how he heard some words on TV you never used to hear; and they now sell girly magazines at the grocery store.  This is the attitude at church for my Dad's side of the family.  

After church I compared 2008 to 1968.  Apples to apples, no doubt hands down 1968 much harder year for America. High crime, Vietnam, assassinations, racial friction, etc.

In the current era we can look at ourselves and  brag about curing diseases, raised the life expectancy, reduced poverty, raising the standard of living ended slavery, etc.  Now there is always room for improvement and there is much that still needs to be done.  But to look at any other era in American or world history and say, these were the good old days like they ought to be has been laughable to me.  

I put out there that we have our problems but we have it pretty good today.  We look at the past thorough a lens of nostalgia that isn't exactly reality.

I told him that a scripture that says the return of Christ is "soon" and those words were written 2000 years ago, so I suggested he might think of "soon" in cosmic terms not necessarily "soon" from the time you first read it.  "Soon" is obviously greater than 2000 years if you are a believer.

As far as Kanye being a religious person who messed up, that's life. All people mess up religious or not.  

[ElfManDan]

Back on the original topic (although I do find the branching topic very interesting, but I just want to state my thoughts on the original matter).

I've been a supporter of Taylor Swift since she first started out (I listen to a lot of country music) and since then I have really enjoyed her music and found her to be one of the most kindhearted, down to Earth individuals. For Kanye to pull that on her of all people is what really annoys me.

[Jaames]

Every decade, someone sees what's going on and thinks that the end of days is upon us, but it's not. I know we tend to gloss over the past, but let me put it into perspective.

1990's War in the middle east, Rwandan Genocide, world trade center, oklahoma city, congo wars, first Chechen war, earth quakes, riots,
1980's Aids pandemic is slaughtering people, tiannamen's square, Mt St Hellens, US drought, numerous huge earthquakes and hurricanes, chernobyl, Bhopal disaster,
1970's Oil embargo, Cold War, Vietnam, Afghanistan, skyjackings, year of three popes, Iran hostage crisis, soweto uprising,
1960's numerous assassinations, bay of pigs ... and the list goes on

I'm a student of history and I think that people tend to see the past with rose colored glasses or that Andy Griffin, Father knows best, and Dobie Gillis were accurate records of how the past was when it couldn't be further from the truth.

I completely agree that every decade of the 20th century had it's own problems, in fact you're practically making my point for me. Bible chronology points to the last days starting around 1914. To humans that may seem a long time to consider "the last days" but it goes along with AlanP's thoughts to think in cosmic terms or in line with the bible's statement that to God 1000 years for us is 1 day for him. 2 Peter 3: 8.

As far as Kanye being a religious person who messed up, that's life. All people mess up religious or not. 

Absolutely, we all make mistakes. But God doesn't look at individual mistakes. He looks at trends. He looks at our heart condition. If we make a few mistakes and we're truly sorry, great. If we make the same types of mistakes over and over again and make lame, half hearted apologies then that's another matter.

[alanp]

What Kanye did was in bad taste and stupid.  I've personally always thought he was an idiot for calling the president a racist at a TV fundraiser.  And chiming in on camping topics without appearing to know anything about it.  In contrast, I like Kid Rock's statement that being a celebrity doesn't make his opinions any better than anyone else's.  I thought they parodied Kanye pretty good on South Park, where he was the only one who couldn't get a joke.

But the thing about this controversy I don't get is why does it invoke the reaction from everyone from Donald Trump to the president and everyone else when they've ignored other things.....

"Charlton Heston announced again today that he is suffering from Alzheimer's."  George Clooney.

I thought this was really cruel.  Alzheimer's is a horrible disease.  He died of it!