Superman Reboot (Man of Steel)

[Dangelus]

They live!  :-)

I don't think that you realize what everyone else is saying. That's not what happened in the film. It might have happened in a cut if it, but it doesn't count, it wasn't shown in theaters, and it has never been official. Officially, they died.

I do know this and I do agree that it was we are supposed to believe. My comments were around the attitude of the characters in the scene being quite nonchalant and the reason why they were is it wasn't filmed with the intention they were killing them. I wasn't disagreeing with anybody for a change :)

[X]

They live!  :-)

I don't think that you realize what everyone else is saying. That's not what happened in the film. It might have happened in a cut if it, but it doesn't count, it wasn't shown in theaters, and it has never been official. Officially, they died.

I do know this and I do agree that it was we are supposed to believe. My comments were around the attitude of the characters in the scene being quite nonchalant and the reason why they were is it wasn't filmed with the intention they were killing them. I wasn't disagreeing with anybody for a change :)

I think that people get ideas about characters and those ideas shape the characters, but are not necessarily the character. Bat-man who never kills, used guns and in one instance just swung by a criminal leaning out of a window and broke his neck. The heroes have killed, but later as times changed, they were nerfed.

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[Dangelus]

Brilliant examples. People forget the characters have been around so long and their actions evolve with what society find acceptable for the time.

[Rico]

I don't think people forget, I think people have their own individual impressions and opinions that are formed over time.  And this is why people see things differently, or as Obi-Wan would say, "from a different point of view."  This is why opinions vary and some people will have to agree to disagree.  No one is right and also no one is wrong.

[spoiler]It's really simple.  The fans that have trouble with Supes killing Zod in the new movie have their idea of Superman as a character who normally doesn't kill.  And overall, it's definitely true that Superman has tried very hard not to kill.  A few times of having to kill over the years in various incarnations doesn't turn Superman into the Punisher or Wolverine.  I've followed the character for a very long time.  My version of the character is that he works very hard at being a symbol for the people - not a killer.  Heck, that theme was played out in Man of Steel over and over.  So again, while I'm mainly ok with what he was forced to do to Zod, I completely understand why that would bother some fans.[/spoiler]

[Bryancd]

I don't think people forget, I think people have their own individual impressions and opinions that are formed over time.  And this is why people see things differently, or as Obi-Wan would say, "from a different point of view."  This is why opinions vary and some people will have to agree to disagree.  No one is right and also no one is wrong.

[spoiler]It's really simple.  The fans that have trouble with Supes killing Zod in the new movie have their idea of Superman as a character who normally doesn't kill.  And overall, it's definitely true that Superman has tried very hard not to kill.  A few times of having to kill over the years in various incarnations doesn't turn Superman into the Punisher or Wolverine.  I've followed the character for a very long time.  My version of the character is that he works very hard at being a symbol for the people - not a killer.  Heck, that theme was played out in Man of Steel over and over.  So again, while I'm mainly ok with what he was forced to do to Zod, I completely understand why that would bother some fans.[/spoiler]

Right, and for those of us who are only familiar with the character from the films (and The Justice LEague cartoon in the '70's, loved that show) are going to have a different sensibility.

[Dangelus]

Let's not forget a lot of people weren't BORN to remember their characters any differently.

[Rico]

I don't think people forget, I think people have their own individual impressions and opinions that are formed over time.  And this is why people see things differently, or as Obi-Wan would say, "from a different point of view."  This is why opinions vary and some people will have to agree to disagree.  No one is right and also no one is wrong.

[spoiler]It's really simple.  The fans that have trouble with Supes killing Zod in the new movie have their idea of Superman as a character who normally doesn't kill.  And overall, it's definitely true that Superman has tried very hard not to kill.  A few times of having to kill over the years in various incarnations doesn't turn Superman into the Punisher or Wolverine.  I've followed the character for a very long time.  My version of the character is that he works very hard at being a symbol for the people - not a killer.  Heck, that theme was played out in Man of Steel over and over.  So again, while I'm mainly ok with what he was forced to do to Zod, I completely understand why that would bother some fans.[/spoiler]

Right, and for those of us who are only familiar with the character from the films (and The Justice LEague cartoon in the '70's, loved that show) are going to have a different sensibility.

Exactly!  Some of the fan reaction you have been seeing Bryan is from the fans who can tell you what every color of Kryptonite does to Superman (yes, there are many colors of Kryptonite besides green).  :)

[Bryancd]

Exactly, which sort of proves the point people are going to be passionate about different things and to be honest we need to be accepting of that but we certainly don't have to like it or even support it.

[Bryancd]

LOL!

http://io9.com/the-most-important-scenes-from-man-of-steel-as-i-remem-516405346

[Geekyfanboy]

I like this article in reference to the Man of Steel and the controversy that surrounds it. He brings up alot of good points. And some things I never even though of.   

http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/521147-editorial-shut-up-about-the-man-of-steel-controversy

[Bryancd]

Let's not forget a lot of people weren't BORN to remember their characters any differently.

We don't hold your youth and inexperience against you... ;)

[Dangelus]

Let's not forget a lot of people weren't BORN to remember their characters any differently.

We don't hold your youth and inexperience against you... ;)

Haha actually I loved watching the old George Reeves serials and although I wasn't a DC reader in general I have memories of Superman comic reading in the 1970s.

[moyer777]

just got back from the movie...  mixed feelings about it.  I really liked it for the  most part, except for....[spoiler]Too much destruction, I actually got tired of it... and I thought it was ending and then took off for another 15 minutes of 911, over and over and over.  And maybe I'm kind of a whimp.. but.... Superman, snapping Zod's neck?  What?  Couldn't he have found a way to get him in the Phantom zone?  I mean, Zod was going to take out three measly humans, Superman just got done smashing a bunch of buildings and probably killing thousands of humans.   Hmmmmmmm  [/spoiler]

It was a bit too long for me, reminded me a lot of the Avengers movie, but not quite as good.

[Bromptonboy]

Rick, what do you think about 12 and 11 year olds seeing it?