Prometheus

[Bryancd]

And not to be too heavy handed but...

[spoiler]Captain putting up a Christmas tree.
Reference to a defining event 2000 years ago
Weyland having his feet washed
multiple references to a crucifix and faith
A barren woman (virgin) giving birth
The crucified xeno alter piece
The goo serpent that came from the pursuit of forbidden knowledge that attacks Millburn
The Engineer that sacrifices himself for man
[spoiler]

[spoiler]Hmm....I didn't catch that but your right, that does seem to be the general theme of this movie...ergh....not sure what I should think about it. [/spoiler]

King

Oh, wait until I get with Al and let loose. This film is LOADED with subtle themes and moments which have been sometimes overshadowed by expectations and some poorly written character moments. That's what makes tis film so compelling. Go see it again with different eyes, Tim.

[spoiler]Think about the religious context and why that motivates the Engineers. Why does the Engineer rip off Davids head after gently touching him? He's artificial, an abomination. Man must be punished because 2000 years ago we have forsake them. And now we have created artificial life when their whole society is based on the create of organic life. There is so much going on here![/spoiler]

[KingIsaacLinksr]

And not to be too heavy handed but...

[spoiler]Captain putting up a Christmas tree.
Reference to a defining event 2000 years ago
Weyland having his feet washed
multiple references to a crucifix and faith
A barren woman (virgin) giving birth
The crucified xeno alter piece
The goo serpent that came from the pursuit of forbidden knowledge that attacks Millburn
The Engineer that sacrifices himself for man
[spoiler]

[spoiler]Hmm....I didn't catch that but your right, that does seem to be the general theme of this movie...ergh....not sure what I should think about it. [/spoiler]

King

Oh, wait until I get with Al and let loose. This film is LOADED with subtle themes and moments which have been sometimes overshadowed by expectations and some poorly written character moments.

Yeah, I'll bet you guys will have a lot to talk about. But just knowing what you said, it doesn't make me want to rewatch the film so....yeah.

King

[Bryancd]

go back an read my spoiler tag.

[Rico]

Some cool spoiler filled pics here:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91563

[Bryancd]

You know...

[spoiler]It really didn't bother me much that most of the crew were basically "redshirts" and seemed to have no real function.  I would have liked to know more about them, but the story really just focused on the main scientists and their discovery.

Oh, one little side thing I was maybe going to mention on my mini-review on the last podcast.  Those little cave painting star maps somehow led them to this one star system???  I mean - come on!  It was a cluster of like 5 stars.  Even if you could find the right pattern in the sky (and that I find unlikely knowing something about astronomy), how do you pick just one?  Anyway, just little quibble.[/spoiler]

Actually, and this is not a spoiler, there are a very finite number of stars you can see with the naked eye from the surface of Earth. Finding a specific pattern would really not present much of a challenge at all.

[Bryancd]

Some cool spoiler filled pics here:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91563

[spoiler]Cool image which hints at a more religious kind of culture for the Engineers. This clearly was a ritual presided over by an elder. A priest perhaps?[/spoiler]

[Rico]

You know...

[spoiler]It really didn't bother me much that most of the crew were basically "redshirts" and seemed to have no real function.  I would have liked to know more about them, but the story really just focused on the main scientists and their discovery.

Oh, one little side thing I was maybe going to mention on my mini-review on the last podcast.  Those little cave painting star maps somehow led them to this one star system???  I mean - come on!  It was a cluster of like 5 stars.  Even if you could find the right pattern in the sky (and that I find unlikely knowing something about astronomy), how do you pick just one?  Anyway, just little quibble.[/spoiler]

Actually, and this is not a spoiler, there are a very finite number of stars you can see with the naked eye from the surface of Earth. Finding a specific pattern would really not present much of a challenge at all.

Yes, with your eyes there is a finite number but the pattern just seemed way too basic to me.  As well as out in very clear country on a very clear night I am certain I could see that simple pattern multiple times.  Plus there are only five stars.  A tiny mention of how they deduced where exactly to go to would have helped.

Not sure if this has been posted, but check this site out:  https://www.weylandindustries.com/

[X]

I'm going to have to agree with Bryan on this one. People have been using stars to sail by for eons, but the only way that works is if the patterns that they are looking at are able to be picked out of the sky and be dependable.

I know what you mean by only a few stars Rico, but the big dipper is only six stars and people aren't confusing that with the little dipper or Orion's belt. I think that only five stars works because that's something that has been shown to work already. You might be able to see similar patterns in the night sky, but you won't ever get an exact match unless it's to the constellation that you're looking for. While billions of stars in the sky might suggest billions of chances to copy the pattern, there are also billions of chances to be horribly off in that pattern.

[Rico]

Your analogy to sailing in the oceans by the stars on Earth isn't really the same thing.  Space is BIG.  I live somewhat out in the country.  On a very clear night I can see a lot of stars.  And I mean A LOT of stars with just my eyes.  To find only one instance of that single pattern is very unlikely without some other reference point.  For example, many constellations are found by knowing some other nearby reference object - say the very bright North Star.  Also, the time of year and place on Earth add another complication to all of this.  And star patterns change - especially given the range of time they say they found this same star pattern in various civilizations over thousands of years.  So again, I find it pretty hard to swallow that this was all they had to go by when they fired up Promotheus and headed out there.

[Bryancd]

And they did reference in the movie that this was the only star system which matched that also had a sun with planets and around one of those planets a moon capable of sustaining life. This is said during the briefing scene, so it is addressed how they made the deduction. :)

[Rico]

Yes, I know that.  But first they need to find the pattern.

[Bryancd]

Yes, I know that.  But first they need to find the pattern.

Well, it sounded like they went through a process of elimination, identifying the pattern and then seeing if there were planets around the stars. I mean they could easily use a computer to analyze all the visible light start patterns, even if there were numerous one's that were similar, which is possible but kind of unlikely. They would only need to look at those which are visible with the naked eye. I'm not understanding why, of all things in this movie, this was a tough one to swallow.

[Bryancd]

By the way, love the new avatar pic, Rico!

[Rico]

The thing for me when it comes to stuff in Sci-Fi is I can accept really far out, crazy stuff - warp drive, transporters, phasers, etc. but when it comes to some basic science stuff it sort of sits with me funny for some reason.  All I wanted was a line in the film like (as an example) - "Oh, that bright star in the group must be the North Star.  So, that's near where we should look." 

[MARKO]

And they did reference in the movie that this was the only star system which matched that also had a sun with planets and around one of those planets a moon capable of sustaining life. This is said during the briefing scene, so it is addressed how they made the deduction. :)

Your analogy to sailing in the oceans by the stars on Earth isn't really the same thing.  Space is BIG.  I live somewhat out in the country.  On a very clear night I can see a lot of stars.  And I mean A LOT of stars with just my eyes.  To find only one instance of that single pattern is very unlikely without some other reference point.  For example, many constellations are found by knowing some other nearby reference object - say the very bright North Star.  Also, the time of year and place on Earth add another complication to all of this.  And star patterns change - especially given the range of time they say they found this same star pattern in various civilizations over thousands of years.  So again, I find it pretty hard to swallow that this was all they had to go by when they fired up Promotheus and headed out there.

I don't think they just headed out there.... they were in the Zeta system which has long be know to be a bi-nary star system, anyhow Rico i like your new Avatar....BAD-ASS

Marko