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Title: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 01, 2011, 10:46:07 PM
Because this doesn't fall under the iPad or iPhone thread, I figured might as well make a new one.  The annual developer conference for Apple's products is coming up in June 6th through the 10th.  What's surprising is the announcement that iOS 5.0, iCloud and Lion will be talked about there (announced officially).  Steve Jobs will also be there.  The iPhone 5 will not likely be announced at the event.  

Btw, iOS 5 is rumored to have an overhauled notification system with widgets, integration with iCloud, better sharing, and a host of other interesting things. 

The updated iWork Suite also gave all iOS devices the capabilities to run the apps, with GarageBand and iMovie soon-to-be-updated.  Which I've been using more frequently now.  

Main page of WWDC: http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/ (http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/)
Apple Confirms iCloud: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/31/apple-to-unveil-icloud-monday-june-6/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/31/apple-to-unveil-icloud-monday-june-6/)
Rumor that the AirPort lineup may be soon updated: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/01/airport-devices-out-of-stock-in-many-apple-stores-refresh-immin/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/01/airport-devices-out-of-stock-in-many-apple-stores-refresh-immin/)
GarageBand and iMovie (soon to be) updated: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/01/garageband-and-imovie-for-ipad-updated/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/01/garageband-and-imovie-for-ipad-updated/)
iWork Updated for iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/31/iwork-now-available-for-iphone-ipod-touch/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/31/iwork-now-available-for-iphone-ipod-touch/)
Google Maps will still be in iOS 5.0 (hopefully updated) http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/01/apple-renews-google-partnership-google-maps-still-in-ios-5/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/01/apple-renews-google-partnership-google-maps-still-in-ios-5/)
Twitter rumored to have integration with iOS 5.0: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/31/twitter-to-have-systemwide-integration-in-ios-5/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/31/twitter-to-have-systemwide-integration-in-ios-5/)

Enjoy :)

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 04:36:27 AM
It all looks very exciting!
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: Feathers on June 02, 2011, 07:38:17 AM
I don't know... Maybe I'm just grumpy today but I don't see much on the surface that looks that great. Of course, there are probably all sorts of little gems in the detail that we don't know about yet.
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
GarageBand has been updated to allow importing of audio files! This is great news.

They still need to make it easier to import video into movie though. At first I thought this update had facilitated this but on second reading it doesn't look like it.
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: Rico on June 02, 2011, 08:31:20 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
GarageBand has been updated to allow importing of audio files! This is great news.

They still need to make it easier to import video into movie though. At first I thought this update had facilitated this but on second reading it doesn't look like it.

Huhh?!?!  You mean you couldn't import audio files into GarageBand before??
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 09:20:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on June 02, 2011, 08:31:20 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
GarageBand has been updated to allow importing of audio files! This is great news.

They still need to make it easier to import video into movie though. At first I thought this update had facilitated this but on second reading it doesn't look like it.

Huhh?!?!  You mean you couldn't import audio files into GarageBand before??

Nope. Crazy huh? Lol
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 02, 2011, 10:00:49 AM
Quote from: Feathers on June 02, 2011, 07:38:17 AM
I don't know... Maybe I'm just grumpy today but I don't see much on the surface that looks that great. Of course, there are probably all sorts of little gems in the detail that we don't know about yet.

I think it's just the fact that no actual details have been released about iOS 5.  I'm kinda curious what the 5 will be all about.  Notifications hardly need a whole new iOS upgrade.  I can't remember what iOS 3.0 brought us, but it was major back in the day, iOS 4.0 brought us multitasking, folders and other nice stuff.  So it should be good no matter what.

@Rico, nope, its a bit nuts, I didn't even realize that functionality was missing. 

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: billybob476 on June 02, 2011, 10:02:12 AM
That depends on how substantial the notifications revamp is. I'm sure it will be more then simply that, maybe we'll get over the air syncing finally?
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 02, 2011, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on June 02, 2011, 10:02:12 AM
That depends on how substantial the notifications revamp is. I'm sure it will be more then simply that, maybe we'll get over the air syncing finally?

Possible.  Be nice (I'm assuming your talking about iTunes sync right?). 

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: billybob476 on June 02, 2011, 10:33:39 AM
Yeah, syncing content from iTunes via wifi.
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: Feathers on June 03, 2011, 02:46:55 AM
I tend to use iTunes as little as possible anyway. It would be nice but it's hardly a whole iOS upgrade.

If we're going for what we want to see here too, how about notifications on the App Store itself? I'm fairly religious about checking for updates but I don't see why Apple can't be just a little more proactive in pushing them out to me.

On the topic of notifications, do you think we're talking about a notification queue here (where the detail of each notification is stored for later access rather than disappearing into the ether). I believe that's the way that WebOS does it and it seems a little more useful than what we have now. Again, not a full iOS version change just for that I'd have thought.
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 03, 2011, 10:19:00 AM
Apparently Apple aquired an ex-Web OS Dev so maybe.

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 06, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
So this is what will be in iOS 5.0.  It will extend to 3rd and 4th Generation iDevices and both iPad models. 

iCloud: This pretty much devastates Amazon and Google as far as iOS goes.
Your content. On all your devices.

iCloud is so much more than a hard drive in the sky. It's the effortless way to access just about everything on all your devices. iCloud stores your content so it's always accessible from your iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, Mac, or PC.* It gives you instant access to your music, apps, latest photos, and more. And it keeps your email, contacts, and calendars up to date across all your devices. No syncing required. No management required. In fact, no anything required. iCloud does it all for you.
Free gets you a lot.

When you sign up for iCloud, you automatically get 5GB of free storage. And that's plenty of room, because of the way iCloud stores your content. Your purchased music, apps, and books, as well as your Photo Stream, don't count against your free storage. That leaves your mail, documents, Camera Roll, account information, settings, and other app data. And since those things don't use as much space, you'll find that 5GB goes a long way.

iCloud automatically backs it up daily over Wi-Fi. But rather than backing up your information from scratch, iCloud uploads only what you've changed. It's quick and efficient, and it makes Backup like everything else in iCloud: convenient and completely effortless.

iTunes sync: Wireless.  No longer attached to the computer via a cable anymore.  Very very nice.

New Notifications!  All your alerts. All in one place.

You get all kinds of notifications on your iOS device: new email, texts, friend requests, and more. With Notification Center, you can keep track of them all in one convenient location. Just swipe down from the top of any screen to enter Notification Center. Choose which notifications you want to see. Even see a stock ticker and the current weather. New notifications appear briefly at the top of your screen, without interrupting what you're doing. And the Lock screen displays notifications so you can act on them with just a swipe. Notification Center is the best way to stay on top of your life's breaking news.

iTunes Match: Thanks to the new iTunes Match service, you can scan and match the songs on your computer. If a match in iTunes is found, the cloud service will automatically add it to your library. It does not upload the song, it just pulls it from the online library of iTunes music. If iTunes cannot find a match, you can upload the song manually. All songs are upgraded to 256kbps AAC DRM-free as part of this process.

Gamecenter gets some nice changes. 

iMessage, which will probably kill off the instant messaging market on iOS.  (Think of Blackberry Messenger on iOS)
Newstand: A custom newsstand for all your subscriptions.

Read all about it. All in one place. iOS 5 organizes your magazine and newspaper app subscriptions in Newsstand: a folder that lets you access your favorite publications quickly and easily. There's also a new place on the App Store just for newspaper and magazine subscriptions. And you can get to it straight from Newsstand. New purchases go directly to your Newsstand folder. Then, as new issues become available, Newsstand automatically updates them in the background — complete with the latest covers. It's kind of like having the paper delivered to your front door. Only better.

Reminders brings you a simple To Do list, though this doesn't damage too many developers, just the simple ones. 

Twitter is heavily integrated into iOS, but only if you have an account, otherwise you'll never see it. 

Camera gets a nice update: Since your iPhone is always with you, it's often the best way to capture those unexpected moments. That's why you'll love the new camera features in iOS 5. You can open the Camera app right from the Lock screen. Use grid lines, pinch-to-zoom gestures, and single-tap focus and exposure locks to compose a picture on the fly. Then press the volume-up button to snap your photo in the nick of time. If you have Photo Stream enabled in iCloud, your photos automatically download to all your other devices.

Head over to www.apple.com (http://www.apple.com) to get pretty much everything you need to know. 

On a personal note, this update plus iCloud sets iOS into the lead over Amazon and Google again.  Now that the iWork suite has a nice syncing solution, plus all those features mentioned above, it will do everything I had hoped it would and then some.  The overhauled notifications, the wireless iTunes sync, wow.  Just epic.  (Also killed Jailbreaking this update too). 

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 06, 2011, 02:51:45 PM
On another note, Lion will also be out and about for $29.99 via the Mac App store.  Wow, $30 for a full OS update?  Microsoft would change $300 for the same one ;)

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 06, 2011, 02:55:34 PM
And on a final note, I am amazed that the Music Industry even is allowing iTunes Match.  This basically allows us to put match any song that might or might not have been purchased via a CD in the cloud.  That surprised me.  Apple must have done a really good deal with them in order to get that passed those money hungry CEOs.

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: X on June 06, 2011, 03:00:39 PM
Isn't this stuff that MS has with zune and skydrive already?
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 06, 2011, 03:04:35 PM
Quote from: X on June 06, 2011, 03:00:39 PM
Isn't this stuff that MS has with zune and skydrive already?

Not unless Microsoft got a tablet recently that I never knew about.  

On a more serious note, I don't know.  As I have not met anyone with a WP7 phone nor Skydrive.

King  
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 06, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
And I looked it up, yes it does do some of what iCloud promises, but iCloud gives you Data backups of your iPhone/iPad/iPod touch as well as email, calendar, contacts and you can redownload your music now without paying again.  And iWork suite also works well with all of this so no.  Skydrive doesn't have the same features as iCloud unless I misread the website at Microsoft's.  And its likely that apps will use the API of iCloud to their advantage so we'll see even more features come out of this in the long run.

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: X on June 06, 2011, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on June 06, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
And I looked it up, yes it does do some of what iCloud promises, but iCloud gives you Data backups of your iPhone/iPad/iPod touch as well as email, calendar, contacts and you can redownload your music now without paying again.  And iWork suite also works well with all of this so no.  Skydrive doesn't have the same features as iCloud unless I misread the website at Microsoft's.  And its likely that apps will use the API of iCloud to their advantage so we'll see even more features come out of this in the long run.

King
I wasn't just talking about that, I was talking about the whole wifi sync and other stuff with the music is pretty much what zune software, zune players, and the win7phone has done from day one. This doesn't really seem like they are really innovating anything, just catching up to something that has been out for half a decade.
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 06, 2011, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: X on June 06, 2011, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on June 06, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
And I looked it up, yes it does do some of what iCloud promises, but iCloud gives you Data backups of your iPhone/iPad/iPod touch as well as email, calendar, contacts and you can redownload your music now without paying again.  And iWork suite also works well with all of this so no.  Skydrive doesn't have the same features as iCloud unless I misread the website at Microsoft's.  And its likely that apps will use the API of iCloud to their advantage so we'll see even more features come out of this in the long run.

King
I wasn't just talking about that, I was talking about the whole wifi sync and other stuff with the music is pretty much what zune software, zune players, and the win7phone has done from day one. This doesn't really seem like they are really innovating anything, just catching up to something that has been out for half a decade.

On the music front, not sure how much more innovative you could get with music.  And sure its a little late, but Apple had to go through the music publishers to do half of this stuff.  Which is really wrong to me, but what can you do about it...Now Google and Amazon have to sweat it out because they didn't go through the music industry.  

Yes, the breaking-of-the-cord comes a bit late, no denying that.  But the cloud and twitter integration are some nice improvements as well as everything else.  

Its not the most innovative OS update no.  But there are new features like the new 4-5 finger swiping to another app, to close the app, and stuff like that so its not like it isn't innovative.  

it does break the iPad's need to hook up to a PC which means I can now recommend it as a computer rather than another device to get.  

Not sure what more could be looked for I guess.  These devices work really well and this is a nice patch to fix most of the holes that was wrong with it in 4.0.  It is free after all so I guess I can't complain.  

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: Feathers on June 07, 2011, 12:21:13 AM
Some of it is playing catch-up but it all seems to fit the normal Apple 'logical progression from where we are now' approach (which can be equally frustrating and satisfying depending on what feature you have your eye on).

I haven't looked into this too much yet but the iCloud approach sounds more intriguing than I thought it would and some of the other little tweaks will be helpful.

As for what Microsoft have on offer, it's a fair point but as I don't have a (current) microsoft device, it's ultimately irrelevant to me (and probably most others).
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: QuadShot on June 07, 2011, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 09:20:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on June 02, 2011, 08:31:20 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
GarageBand has been updated to allow importing of audio files! This is great news.

They still need to make it easier to import video into movie though. At first I thought this update had facilitated this but on second reading it doesn't look like it.

Huhh?!?!  You mean you couldn't import audio files into GarageBand before??

Nope. Crazy huh? Lol

I didn't watch this, but....huh?? What version of GarageBand are you talking about? I use GarageBand for podcasting and voiceover stuff and import audio ALL the time. Lets be clear: the mobile versions...no. But, those are stripped down versions.
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on June 07, 2011, 10:27:24 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on June 07, 2011, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 09:20:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on June 02, 2011, 08:31:20 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 02, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
GarageBand has been updated to allow importing of audio files! This is great news.

They still need to make it easier to import video into movie though. At first I thought this update had facilitated this but on second reading it doesn't look like it.

Huhh?!?!  You mean you couldn't import audio files into GarageBand before??

Nope. Crazy huh? Lol

I didn't watch this, but....huh?? What version of GarageBand are you talking about? I use GarageBand for podcasting and voiceover stuff and import audio ALL the time. Lets be clear: the mobile versions...no. But, those are stripped down versions.

We are talking about Mobile Garageband.  (Err, were)

King
Title: Re: WWDC 2011 Main Thread
Post by: QuadShot on June 07, 2011, 10:47:14 AM
Ah. I see. That'll be a cool thing. Rick Moyer will create even MORE awesomeness then!!!