Just saw this on comingsoon.net, seems like a very interesting series, whereby Humans travel back in time to the age of Dinosaurs. With Speilberg at the helm, it promises to be a hit (I hope). Have a read and let me know what you think. Let me know if this has already been posted somewhere I didn't know about.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=73148 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=73148)
On a sidenote, it seems that the series is being filmed in my home state of Queensland Australia. I hope that the recent floods haven't affected the show in any way, although I believe they should have finished shooting for now since they began in October 2010.
Hmmm I thought we had a thread for this already.. but I guess not.. yeah this was suppose to come out last fall on Fox but was postponed until later this year. There has been lots of production problem plaguing this series.. they just released the first image which wasn't that impressive that's why I didn't post it. But I have high hopes for this series.
This sounds like it could be pretty good.
Cast picture.
Cool pic! Thanks for posting it.
I gotta say it looks like the offspring of Jurassic Park and Waterworld.
yeah - that gate looks like it is just to keep large creatures - things out..
Notice actor Stephen Lang (who was in "Avatar" too).
Here's the first look at this new series.. this was huge surprise during the Super Bowl last weekend.. What do you think?
Welcome to TERRA NOVA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvb3H7gKujw#ws)
I wonder if there is a reason they plunk a bunch of humans down in the age of dinosaurs rather than another time period?
Quote from: Rico on February 08, 2011, 01:27:15 PM
I wonder if there is a reason they plunk a bunch of humans down in the age of dinosaurs rather than another time period?
Yeah that seems to be the burning question.. why go back so far.. why not go back a few thousands years.. hopefully they will answer this question.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on February 08, 2011, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 08, 2011, 01:27:15 PM
I wonder if there is a reason they plunk a bunch of humans down in the age of dinosaurs rather than another time period?
Yeah that seems to be the burning question.. why go back so far.. why not go back a few thousands years.. hopefully they will answer this question.
Because it "Land of the Lost" with better visuals! I better see me some Sleestaks! :)
I wasn't expecting that ad either but what a good surprise!
Is this the American response to the the hit British TV show Primeval? Kind of looks like it to me. I'll probably watch it though as it looks fun.
Kevin
While it has some concepts like Primeval, I think those concepts are far older and pop up every decade or so. Sliders, Quantum Leap, Time Tunnel, that movie Timeline, land of the Lost, even the planet of the Ape remake.
I think it's less of a response to Primeval and more of them doing what they've been doing for the last 50 years or so.
Yeah, having men back in the age of dinosaurs has been done since the very early days in Sci-Fi. But, the idea to save humanity by time traveling back to this point in time is maybe a bit unique. My guess would be it has to do with some sort of butterfly effect scenario. The people have to do something or change things in that moment in time to fix the future. At least that's my guess right now.
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 06:43:37 AM
Yeah, having men back in the age of dinosaurs has been done since the very early days in Sci-Fi. But, the idea to save humanity by time traveling back to this point in time is maybe a bit unique. My guess would be it has to do with some sort of butterfly effect scenario. The people have to do something or change things in that moment in time to fix the future. At least that's my guess right now.
My hunch is that it's something simpler. There's this book I read about people from the future going to live in the past. The reason they picked the past was that evidence of their existence would be wiped out with the extinction events and the passage of time. So it give them a place to park some people for a finite amount of time without impacting the timeline.
From the early blurbs, I think that this show might have a similar concept. A place to live so far in the past that the impact to the now is greatly reduced.
That still doesn't ring quite true to me. I mean there are certainly times in the past without Dino trying to make you his lunch that would be safer and still far enough back in time. Anyway, maybe it's just something to do with the technology itself. Or even an accident and they end up in the wrong time. Lots of possible ideas.
Quote from: Rico on February 09, 2011, 10:46:22 AM
That still doesn't ring quite true to me. I mean there are certainly times in the past without Dino trying to make you his lunch that would be safer and still far enough back in time. Anyway, maybe it's just something to do with the technology itself. Or even an accident and they end up in the wrong time. Lots of possible ideas.
It was a rafting trip gone wrong! Watch out for that waterfall!!!!
This is all they had on Wiki..
The show begins in the year 2149, a time when all life on planet Earth is threatened with extinction. In an effort to save the human race, scientists develop a portal allowing travel 85 million years back in time to prehistoric Earth. The Shannon family (father Jim, his wife Elisabeth, and their three children Josh, Maddy and Zoe) join the tenth pilgrimage of settlers to Terra Nova, the first human colony on the other side of the temporal doorway. However, they are unaware that the colony is in the middle of a group of carnivorous dinosaurs
The show is scheduled to debut over two nights in May 2011, after which it is planned to continue as a part of the FOX Network's 2011–2012 primetime fall television season
Here's the official blurb off of the Fox website.... gives a bit more info into the series.
From executive producers Steven Spielberg, Peter Chernin, Brannon Braga (24, "Star Trek: Enterprise") and David Fury ("Lost," "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") comes an epic family adventure 85 million years in the making.
TERRA NOVA follows an ordinary family embarking on an incredible journey back in time to prehistoric Earth as a small part of a massive experiment to save the human race. In the year 2149 the world is dying. The planet is overdeveloped, overcrowded and overpolluted. With the majority of plant and animal life extinct, devotion to science has brought mankind to the brink of destruction, but has also provided its only hope for salvation.
Knowing there is no way to reverse the damage to the planet, a coalition of scientists has managed to open up a fracture in the space-time continuum, creating a portal to prehistoric Earth. This doorway leads to an amazing world, one that allows for a last-ditch effort to save the human race...possibly changing the future by correcting the mistakes of the past.
The series centers on the Shannon family as they join the tenth pilgrimage of settlers to TERRA NOVA, the first colony of humans in this second chance for civilization. JIM SHANNON, a devoted father with a checkered past, guides his family through this new land of limitless beauty, mystery and terror. Jim's wife, ELISABETH SHANNON, is a trauma surgeon chosen through a global lottery as a new addition to Terra Nova's medical team. JOSH SHANNON is their son, mourning the girl he left behind, as he's torn between two role models - his father and the charismatic COMMANDER FRANK TAYLOR, the leader of the settlement, and the heroic first pioneer through the time portal. MADDY SHANNON, Jim and Elizabeth's teen daughter, is as independent and adventurous as her parents, but her distrust of authority soon leads her on a dangerous path.
In addition to blue skies, rolling rivers and lush vegetation, TERRA NOVA offers new opportunities and fresh beginnings to its recent arrivals, but the Shannons have brought with them a familial secret that may threaten their citizenship in this utopia. Additionally these adventurers soon discover that this healthy, vibrant world is not as idyllic as it initially appears. The areas surrounding Terra Nova are filled with dangerous dinosaurs, and other prehistoric threats, as well as external forces that may be intent on destroying this new world before it begins.
But perhaps even more threatening than what lies outside the protective walls is the Shannons' realization that something sinister may be happening inside TERRA NOVA as not everyone on this mission has the same intentions of how best to save mankind.
TERRA NOVA is produced by 20th Century Fox Television, DreamWorks Television, Kapital Entertainment and Chernin Entertainment. Steven Spielberg, Peter Chernin, Craig Silverstein, Kelly Marcel, Brannon Braga, Aaron Kaplan, Katherine Pope, Justin Falvey and Darryl Frank serve as executive producers.
May is to far away!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fox pushes back 'Terra Nova' to fall
by James Hibberd
Categories: Television, Terra Nova, TV Biz
Fox is pushing back the premiere of Steven Spielberg's dino drama Terra Nova — again!
Instead of launching with a May preview as originally planned, the adventure series will now debut next fall.
More to come...
The Fall is to far away!!!!!!
I read it was because of visual effects.. which kind of makes me happy.. that they are willing to hold off instead of giving us some crappy VXF. I for one will wait for something better.
Kenny, when you 1st posted that I thought they were just delaying it because they could. If they are trying to improve the show by delaying it then I agree with you about waiting for it to be better.
The video Kenny posted isn't playing for me, so I'm not surte if this post is a repeat of what's already been posted...it looks like 2 trailers posted together. But I'm impressed with the look of this.
TERRA NOVA - First Look Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6aNEIZwPFc#ws)
New poster for this is out now.
Sam from Life On Mars (US version). This show looks pretty good!
Speaking as someone that has seen the pilot... I wont watch it...
Quote from: Scott on August 02, 2011, 09:31:28 PM
Speaking as someone that has seen the pilot... I wont watch it...
Ouch! That bad??
Is the pilot "available" then? ;)
Yeah, I was looking forward tot his...
Scott, how did you see the pilot already? And what was so bad about it?
I think there was talk of having this pilot air months before the series. But they decided to hold off "officially airing" it. I'm guessing a copy slipped out on to the net - somehow. Might not even be the finished version.
did anyone else think about the mysterious "terra nova" colony in ST: Enterprise? :laugh:
It didn't slip online. I can't say how I saw it.
It wasn't bad. I just didn't like the idea. To me, it seemed like a bad idea.
They previewed the pilot at SDCC.. I missed it. But I've heard good things about it.
Did anyone else watch Terra Nova last night?
IT WAS AWESOME! I'm really looking forward to this series.
The characters were solid, very blade runnerish to begin with in the scenes. But the acting was great and the plot really got you going. I think I will really like this one. Now let's hope they don't cancel it before they get into a groove.
Rick,
No, I have it recorded but didn't get a chance to watch it last night. Won't be able to until tomorrow actually. And by the way...what does "blad runnerish to begin with in the scenes" mean? :)
I think he means "Blade Runner-ish"
Terra Nova was great! Looking forward to next week's episode.
i enjoyed it almost as much as the House season opener
I know I'm probably gonna be in the minority here, but I hated it. Just did not like the main character or the family. The only thing I liked is the concept and the leader at Terra Nova. I watched the whole thing, but I really had given up on the show in the first 10 to 15 minutes. I just could not get into it and I could not bring myself to like it.
I thought it was overly complex, which I'm tired of seeing in high concept shows which are already complex on there own. It was so predictable in the bad way. Also overly dramatized in the wrong ways.
Here's my problems...
[spoiler]What was the whole thing at the beginning with him a bad guy for caring about his family? That was a pointless few scenes. That just kinda was forgotten about later on. I had the discussion with a friend a few days ago about over population and limiting pop size and frankly I agree with the government trying to limit it. So it doesn't make me sympathetic with the main character.
I just felt like it was an over done drama portion they threw in there. And the little girl had absolutely no purpose in this show beyond that. So right off I didn't really like him or the family who were way under developed and cardboard, just doing what average TV show characters do. Screw that, I want something new.
The whole him a prisoner thing was not needed either, extra pointless drama. There was a perfect point for drama just by pure fact of them going back in time. I think there is enough story just in that alone. They should have focused more on just them leaving the world behind and entering this new world. That was grazed over so little.
And it just didn't get any better after that to me. And frankly I lost interest and was hoping they'd all die at the end of the episode. Least if the son died that would have been interesting to me. Be a better story direction than they already are going.[/spoiler]
I'm sorry to rant about it when all you guys seem to enjoy it, but I just didn't like it. I'm so tired of crappy unoriginal, poorly developed shows. Is this where the new genre bar is at. What about the great shows like Farscape and Firefly. This is what we get now?! I don't know what it is about TV for me now, but I just do not have time for this stuff. If it's not an amazing show I don't see the point in watching it.
So let me know if it gets any better cause I'm not watching anymore unless it becomes the next Lost or something.
Well, I really liked it, certainly well enough to continue watching....
[spoiler]First to address what Shepard said above. I agree that the characters are very one dimensional at this point. They are a bit unlikeable actually. I mean after all they did to mess up their lives you would think they would be VERY grateful to be together again in Terra Nova but they were all angst ridden and kind of bitter. I mean the world, their new home, it was really nice! The teem boy is there for a day and he's got some hot chick taking him for a swim and boozing in a bikini, score! In regards to the limited children issue, Shep, I would suggest you see how that policy is working out in China, it's not the answer to over population but I digress.
What I liked very much was the clear Blade Runner homage to the future Earth, very cool and well done. Terrific effects as well for TV. I thought the first 20min before the first commercial break was moved along great and made the story pretty clear.
Once in Tera Nova, I get the inclusion of the Sixes as both antagonist..or maybe not...as well as dino fodder, somebody needs to get munched on after all. I also like the divergent time line concept, gives them more free reign to have all sorts of weird creatures and events. The ids in peril was a little weak but I like the dynamic between the Commander and the Sixes, in fact he is so far the strongest part of the show. The dino effect were good, not great, but I am fine with that.[/spoiler]
Yeah ...
[spoiler] I think that whole thing with the kids makes sense. I can't speak for everyone, but perhaps their personal convictions prevented them from wanting to terminate the pregnancy. Obviously the law isn't that big a deal in some aspects. They got caught and only would have gotten a fine if he didn't punch the cop. Doesn't seem like a major law to me. An important one, but obviously not one where the kid is removed and terminated to keep the quotas in place. As a father I'd also like to say that I totally understand why he snapped. They came into his home and that cop was talking to his daughter like she was a dog. That would piss me off to. I'm enjoying. It made sense to me as both a father and as someone that has a few issues with being commanded to do or not do something. [/spoiler]
Alright...
[spoiler]So I'm not a parent I suppose I can't entirely understand that, and I don't really know what's going on China. Though I have lots of comments about it, but I think I'll pass, it probably would deserve it's own thread in that case. I just thought it was a really weak part of the story and I don't believe needed. And just lots of things about it all just bugged me. I like people a lot and I don't like these people much. They just don't seem real or just to basic. That might be why I really disliked it. So I hope you guys like it, but I'm out. I just got so frustrated with the pilot I can not watch anymore.[/spoiler]
Well, I watched this last night and was pretty ok with it. Some of the character stuff was maybe slightly weak, but that may just take some time to work out. They have enough mysteries going on to make me want to watch more. I just hope it doesn't turn into a, 'how do we get away from these mean dinosaurs who want to eat us' each week.
- Oh, one thing or question? Can Terra Nova communicate with the future somehow?? I didn't quite catch that.
Ok I just watched this.
[spoiler]Wasn't mega keen on the family. I understand why they set it up this way, gives us a glimpse of what family life in the future would be like and introducing the quota thing etc but yeah it wasn't done as well as it could have been IMHO. Then again this is the pilot so hopefully the characters will develop.
The concept was pretty good. The exposition explained why they had to go back 85 million years as this isnt the ideal time period really and also that it is a separate timeline so they can't affect their own future. They've already introduced a separate group into the mix and a mystery involving Taylor's missing son. We will see where this goes but I'm already inclined to believe these "sixers" aren't totally the bad guys they are made out to be. There is obviously something going on here.
As far as them creating a new human civilisation, I'm not big on my Pre-history but rant they due to be hit by a giant meteorite and get wiped out at some point? Lol
I'll keep watching as there is plenty of potential here.
[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on September 28, 2011, 05:23:35 AM
Well, I watched this last night and was pretty ok with it. Some of the character stuff was maybe slightly weak, but that may just take some time to work out. They have enough mysteries going on to make me want to watch more. I just hope it doesn't turn into a, 'how do we get away from these mean dinosaurs who want to eat us' each week.
- Oh, one thing or question? Can Terra Nova communicate with the future somehow?? I didn't quite catch that.
It looks like they can.
[spoiler]It looks like they can communicate, but the trip is one way. I'm thinking that it's only one way because they don't have the tech to build another door opener like the big machine in the future.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on September 28, 2011, 05:23:35 AM
Well, I watched this last night and was pretty ok with it. Some of the character stuff was maybe slightly weak, but that may just take some time to work out. They have enough mysteries going on to make me want to watch more. I just hope it doesn't turn into a, 'how do we get away from these mean dinosaurs who want to eat us' each week.
- Oh, one thing or question? Can Terra Nova communicate with the future somehow?? I didn't quite catch that.
I got that impression as well
[spoiler]I suppose this crack in time and space is permanent and they've found a way to lnk communications through it. Although Taylor did say that people didn't always cone through at the same time so I'm not sure how they've managed to sync the time streams throughout it for communication. Aarrgh temporal mechanics! ;)[/spoiler]
My thoughts are similar to most everyone else. It wasn't great but it's interesting enough for me to keep coming back.
Kevin
I really enjoyed it. I didn't care for all the characters but I did like Taylor and the wife who is the Doctor, don't recall her name, and I liked the character of Skye. And even though some of the effects were not the greatest I loved the Dino's!!!!! Keep them coming! My favorite dino is the huge ones that they used to call Brontosaurus if I'm not mistaken. But of course they have chaged it's name and the shape of it's head. Which was done before this show. I also loved the look of the future Earth. The wife and I both thought that was cool. I will be tuning in next week!![spoiler]I liked the connection they made with Taylor and Skye looking foward to seeing more of this. Also liked the part when the kids were in the "cars" getting attacked by the "slicers". I thought that was well done. But don't they have guards watching? And I really liked the part when the little girl was feeding the Dino's. Cool stuff. [/spoiler]
Quote from: WillEagle on September 28, 2011, 06:55:39 PM
I really enjoyed it. I didn't care for all the characters but I did like Taylor and the wife who is the Doctor, don't recall her name, and I liked the character of Skye. And even though some of the effects were not the greatest I loved the Dino's!!!!! Keep them coming! My favorite dino is the huge ones that they used to call Brontosaurus if I'm not mistaken. But of course they have chaged it's name and the shape of it's head. Which was done before this show. I also loved the look of the future Earth. The wife and I both thought that was cool. I will be tuning in next week!![spoiler]I liked the connection they made with Taylor and Skye looking foward to seeing more of this. Also liked the part when the kids were in the "cars" getting attacked by the "slicers". I thought that was well done. But don't they have guards watching? And I really liked the part when the little girl was feeding the Dino's. Cool stuff. [/spoiler]
Yeah the change in names is because they found that it was discovered and named before it was discovered and name the name that we are familiar with. They reverted the name to give credit to the correct discoverer.
I thought this was alright. I have to admit that I agree with the rest that the family is going to take a bit to get used to. I like where they are taking the show as well, seems like there is much more going on, then just the dinosaurs, which I think will make this show interesting. I liked that start that had that Blade Runner feel to it. I like the idea that mankind has used up the word and has to find places to go, sort of like Lost in Space or Earth 2 in that manner.
[spoiler]I thought that the explanation that the family gave on why the broke the rule in the future of having more then 2 children seemed a bit weak. They sort of just said they wanted to. Seemed like they could have had plenty of valid reasons for having more then one child, such as the mother got pregnant and they did not want to abort or give the baby up for adoption. Also to me, I think it would make this kid more interesting if there was something special about her, either she has some ability or disability.
Not sure if I am really going to dig this Family angst story though, with the son resenting the father. Maybe it would have been more interesting if the family was broken part, and the father was not able to come back with the rest of the family. Focus on having the family dealing with him not being there. But guessing that the Dad is going to be the lead in the show so he needs to be there. Actually it would have been nice to see some people sent back who really did not want to be there. The son is a bit that way, but really would have been interesting to see some people sent against their will, or there because of circumstances beyond their control. Since Speilberg is involved in this, would have been nice to see him take some elements from Earth 2 and put it into this, with a group of people that don't necessarily get along with each other. Conflict against the sixes will be interesting, would be nice to see some conflicting viewpoints within the group as well, maybe that will come.
I like that this Taylor is sort of an unknown, and has some secrets, and other motives for forming Terra Nova. I think that might really carry the story along. [/spoiler]
So far I'm avoiding the spoilers in this thread because I am only halfway through the pilot...but WOW what a beginning. I was very pleased to see some familiar names from TNG Trek involved in writing/producing of this series. They did a fantastic job with their realization of the Earth 100 years in the future. I find myself hoping we see more from that time period just because the art direction/CGI is so good, but I guess it will be super expensive to go there too often. I thought the excitement and drama surrounding the family's trip to Terra Nova was very moving and well done, and I found myself caring about these people even though I was hardly introduced to them yet. Looking forward to more from this series.
Well, sorry to have to say that I'm not totally in love with this show yet. I found a lot of it kind of, well, weak for my taste:
[spoiler]I love the concept. In fact, when we first heard about this show LONG ago, I was excited about it. But, a few things that annoy me about this is that to me, it seems the writers took the lazy way out. For example, the teenage son. He's just a waste of space for me. That whole angry at the parent must rebel line has been over done in TV. What I didn't track was that at the very beginning, they were this happy Ozzy and Harriet family, the kids loved each other and the parents. Then, the population police come in (loved that concept...honestly) and find the illegal 3rd child, dad, the cop, gets upset and pops one of them and he goes to jail. Flash forward and dad breaks out, and goes to meet the family at the portal. Jr. Teen Angry Kid tells mom, he's worried dad won't make it. He seems pretty concerned. Then, dad makes it, they get to their new house and all of a sudden, Jr. Teen Angry Kid does a 180 and hates dad for going to jail! HUH? To me, it was like the writers forgot what they wrote in the previous pages. I hate that fall back on plot of the family angst. Why can't we just have a show where the family gets along? Then, in the previews for upcoming episodes, we see that while dad was in jail, mom obviously wasn't celebate. And to complicate it even more, the guy she "flung" with is on Terra Nova! OH NO! More drama...more like more Soap Opera. I love the concept and the promise of this show. I just truly hope that they don't take the easy road and make this a drama about a broken family. I understand that we need that "people" drama to bind the show together, but why does it ALWAYS have to be the "teen son/teen daughter hates the dad/mom and resents them for ______ because of ______ and the husband/wife cheated while the other was in jail/in a coma/away on a trip/in basic training. To me, this kind of writing is a recipe for early cancellation. The possibilities this show has before it are awesome. I just hope they can pull it off. I will watch for a few more episodes before making my final decision on being a fan or not. So, these are just my opinions and not representative of Treks In Sci Fi!! :) [/spoiler] And that's all I have to say about that! :)
One thing I'll say is the pilot was tweaked and altered a fair amount, from what I have read. So, it might not be the best representation of the overall show or direction. I'm going to use my rule of three on this series like other new shows this year. I give them three episodes and then decide to continue to watch - or not.
Quote from: QuadShot on September 29, 2011, 08:26:08 AM
Well, sorry to have to say that I'm not totally in love with this show yet. I found a lot of it kind of, well, weak for my taste:
[spoiler]I love the concept. In fact, when we first heard about this show LONG ago, I was excited about it. But, a few things that annoy me about this is that to me, it seems the writers took the lazy way out. For example, the teenage son. He's just a waste of space for me. That whole angry at the parent must rebel line has been over done in TV. What I didn't track was that at the very beginning, they were this happy Ozzy and Harriet family, the kids loved each other and the parents. Then, the population police come in (loved that concept...honestly) and find the illegal 3rd child, dad, the cop, gets upset and pops one of them and he goes to jail. Flash forward and dad breaks out, and goes to meet the family at the portal. Jr. Teen Angry Kid tells mom, he's worried dad won't make it. He seems pretty concerned. Then, dad makes it, they get to their new house and all of a sudden, Jr. Teen Angry Kid does a 180 and hates dad for going to jail! HUH? To me, it was like the writers forgot what they wrote in the previous pages. I hate that fall back on plot of the family angst. Why can't we just have a show where the family gets along? Then, in the previews for upcoming episodes, we see that while dad was in jail, mom obviously wasn't celebate. And to complicate it even more, the guy she "flung" with is on Terra Nova! OH NO! More drama...more like more Soap Opera. I love the concept and the promise of this show. I just truly hope that they don't take the easy road and make this a drama about a broken family. I understand that we need that "people" drama to bind the show together, but why does it ALWAYS have to be the "teen son/teen daughter hates the dad/mom and resents them for ______ because of ______ and the husband/wife cheated while the other was in jail/in a coma/away on a trip/in basic training. To me, this kind of writing is a recipe for early cancellation. The possibilities this show has before it are awesome. I just hope they can pull it off. I will watch for a few more episodes before making my final decision on being a fan or not. So, these are just my opinions and not representative of Treks In Sci Fi!! :) [/spoiler] And that's all I have to say about that! :)
Totally with you on those comments, Al, I felt the same away ablout that part of the story line. It was very WTF?
Quote from: Bryancd on September 29, 2011, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on September 29, 2011, 08:26:08 AM
Well, sorry to have to say that I'm not totally in love with this show yet. I found a lot of it kind of, well, weak for my taste:
[spoiler]I love the concept. In fact, when we first heard about this show LONG ago, I was excited about it. But, a few things that annoy me about this is that to me, it seems the writers took the lazy way out. For example, the teenage son. He's just a waste of space for me. That whole angry at the parent must rebel line has been over done in TV. What I didn't track was that at the very beginning, they were this happy Ozzy and Harriet family, the kids loved each other and the parents. Then, the population police come in (loved that concept...honestly) and find the illegal 3rd child, dad, the cop, gets upset and pops one of them and he goes to jail. Flash forward and dad breaks out, and goes to meet the family at the portal. Jr. Teen Angry Kid tells mom, he's worried dad won't make it. He seems pretty concerned. Then, dad makes it, they get to their new house and all of a sudden, Jr. Teen Angry Kid does a 180 and hates dad for going to jail! HUH? To me, it was like the writers forgot what they wrote in the previous pages. I hate that fall back on plot of the family angst. Why can't we just have a show where the family gets along? Then, in the previews for upcoming episodes, we see that while dad was in jail, mom obviously wasn't celebate. And to complicate it even more, the guy she "flung" with is on Terra Nova! OH NO! More drama...more like more Soap Opera. I love the concept and the promise of this show. I just truly hope that they don't take the easy road and make this a drama about a broken family. I understand that we need that "people" drama to bind the show together, but why does it ALWAYS have to be the "teen son/teen daughter hates the dad/mom and resents them for ______ because of ______ and the husband/wife cheated while the other was in jail/in a coma/away on a trip/in basic training. To me, this kind of writing is a recipe for early cancellation. The possibilities this show has before it are awesome. I just hope they can pull it off. I will watch for a few more episodes before making my final decision on being a fan or not. So, these are just my opinions and not representative of Treks In Sci Fi!! :) [/spoiler] And that's all I have to say about that! :)
Totally with you on those comments, Al, I felt the same away ablout that part of the story line. It was very WTF?
I honestly saw it as:
[spoiler] A kid that missed his father, but was mad at him for his actions. To me it came off as someone that didn't want to lose his father forever, but also someone that was pissed at his father because they had to leave the world that he knew. I felt it was "I love you enough to miss you, but I am still mad. You were gone two years and when mom says a few words, you're free? Why didn't you come home sooner? Why did I have to loose the girl I like because of you?" [/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on September 29, 2011, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on September 29, 2011, 08:26:08 AM
Well, sorry to have to say that I'm not totally in love with this show yet. I found a lot of it kind of, well, weak for my taste:
[spoiler]I love the concept. In fact, when we first heard about this show LONG ago, I was excited about it. But, a few things that annoy me about this is that to me, it seems the writers took the lazy way out. For example, the teenage son. He's just a waste of space for me. That whole angry at the parent must rebel line has been over done in TV. What I didn't track was that at the very beginning, they were this happy Ozzy and Harriet family, the kids loved each other and the parents. Then, the population police come in (loved that concept...honestly) and find the illegal 3rd child, dad, the cop, gets upset and pops one of them and he goes to jail. Flash forward and dad breaks out, and goes to meet the family at the portal. Jr. Teen Angry Kid tells mom, he's worried dad won't make it. He seems pretty concerned. Then, dad makes it, they get to their new house and all of a sudden, Jr. Teen Angry Kid does a 180 and hates dad for going to jail! HUH? To me, it was like the writers forgot what they wrote in the previous pages. I hate that fall back on plot of the family angst. Why can't we just have a show where the family gets along? Then, in the previews for upcoming episodes, we see that while dad was in jail, mom obviously wasn't celebate. And to complicate it even more, the guy she "flung" with is on Terra Nova! OH NO! More drama...more like more Soap Opera. I love the concept and the promise of this show. I just truly hope that they don't take the easy road and make this a drama about a broken family. I understand that we need that "people" drama to bind the show together, but why does it ALWAYS have to be the "teen son/teen daughter hates the dad/mom and resents them for ______ because of ______ and the husband/wife cheated while the other was in jail/in a coma/away on a trip/in basic training. To me, this kind of writing is a recipe for early cancellation. The possibilities this show has before it are awesome. I just hope they can pull it off. I will watch for a few more episodes before making my final decision on being a fan or not. So, these are just my opinions and not representative of Treks In Sci Fi!! :) [/spoiler] And that's all I have to say about that! :)
Totally with you on those comments, Al, I felt the same away ablout that part of the story line. It was very WTF?
Well I've already voiced my opinion about how much I hated it. So I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels it was poor. It seemed very generic and over dramatized. Drama isn't bad, but it could have been done in so many better ways than they decided to go with.
X, I agree with the psychological aspect of the story, and with how you analyzed it. And for the record, I think you're spot on, but my view is why? Why did they feel the need to put that in yet another TV show? If I want serious family drama, I'll watch Two And a Half Men! :)
Quote from: X on September 29, 2011, 09:14:07 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on September 29, 2011, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on September 29, 2011, 08:26:08 AM
Well, sorry to have to say that I'm not totally in love with this show yet. I found a lot of it kind of, well, weak for my taste:
[spoiler]I love the concept. In fact, when we first heard about this show LONG ago, I was excited about it. But, a few things that annoy me about this is that to me, it seems the writers took the lazy way out. For example, the teenage son. He's just a waste of space for me. That whole angry at the parent must rebel line has been over done in TV. What I didn't track was that at the very beginning, they were this happy Ozzy and Harriet family, the kids loved each other and the parents. Then, the population police come in (loved that concept...honestly) and find the illegal 3rd child, dad, the cop, gets upset and pops one of them and he goes to jail. Flash forward and dad breaks out, and goes to meet the family at the portal. Jr. Teen Angry Kid tells mom, he's worried dad won't make it. He seems pretty concerned. Then, dad makes it, they get to their new house and all of a sudden, Jr. Teen Angry Kid does a 180 and hates dad for going to jail! HUH? To me, it was like the writers forgot what they wrote in the previous pages. I hate that fall back on plot of the family angst. Why can't we just have a show where the family gets along? Then, in the previews for upcoming episodes, we see that while dad was in jail, mom obviously wasn't celebate. And to complicate it even more, the guy she "flung" with is on Terra Nova! OH NO! More drama...more like more Soap Opera. I love the concept and the promise of this show. I just truly hope that they don't take the easy road and make this a drama about a broken family. I understand that we need that "people" drama to bind the show together, but why does it ALWAYS have to be the "teen son/teen daughter hates the dad/mom and resents them for ______ because of ______ and the husband/wife cheated while the other was in jail/in a coma/away on a trip/in basic training. To me, this kind of writing is a recipe for early cancellation. The possibilities this show has before it are awesome. I just hope they can pull it off. I will watch for a few more episodes before making my final decision on being a fan or not. So, these are just my opinions and not representative of Treks In Sci Fi!! :) [/spoiler] And that's all I have to say about that! :)
Totally with you on those comments, Al, I felt the same away ablout that part of the story line. It was very WTF?
I honestly saw it as:
[spoiler] A kid that missed his father, but was mad at him for his actions. To me it came off as someone that didn't want to lose his father forever, but also someone that was pissed at his father because they had to leave the world that he knew. I felt it was "I love you enough to miss you, but I am still mad. You were gone two years and when mom says a few words, you're free? Why didn't you come home sooner? Why did I have to loose the girl I like because of you?" [/spoiler]
Oh, I'm sure that's what they intended but it was very poorly executed, IMO. But again, despite some shortcoming, I liked it and will tune back in.
The only thing I didn't like about the teen son was that his acting was wooden and unbelievable. I hope he gets better as he gets more comfortable in the role. I thought his story arc in the pilot and reactions were pretty reasonable.
Hopefully they will use the "this character isn't working, let's make them dino fodder" rule to trim down the cast a bit! ;)
Finally watched this yesterday and totally loved it.. can't wait for the next episode (of course it had flaws, but what TV series doesn't with it's pilot). I don't understands folks hating it, but I guess to each their own. I'll be watching.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 29, 2011, 03:25:43 PM
Finally watched this yesterday and totally loved it.. can't wait for the next episode (of course it had flaws, but what TV series doesn't with it's pilot). I don't understands folks hating it, but I guess to each their own. I'll be watching.
Is someone here hating it? Or are you talking elsewhere Kenny?
--- Oh, wait. I see Sheppard "hated it." But I think that's the only one from the forum here.
Yeah, I'm not seeing any hating, I see some very valid criticism but general like of the show. Surely if you read anything we wrote here it's very reasonable and valid.
Quote from: Rico on September 29, 2011, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 29, 2011, 03:25:43 PM
Finally watched this yesterday and totally loved it.. can't wait for the next episode (of course it had flaws, but what TV series doesn't with it's pilot). I don't understands folks hating it, but I guess to each their own. I'll be watching.
Is someone here hating it? Or are you talking elsewhere Kenny?
--- Oh, wait. I see Sheppard "hated it." But I think that's the only one from the forum here.
No it's more a general statement.. not in reference to anyone on the boards.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 29, 2011, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: Rico on September 29, 2011, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 29, 2011, 03:25:43 PM
Finally watched this yesterday and totally loved it.. can't wait for the next episode (of course it had flaws, but what TV series doesn't with it's pilot). I don't understands folks hating it, but I guess to each their own. I'll be watching.
Is someone here hating it? Or are you talking elsewhere Kenny?
--- Oh, wait. I see Sheppard "hated it." But I think that's the only one from the forum here.
No it's more a general statement.. not in reference to anyone on the boards.
I don't hate it, not in the least. I actually like it overall, just don't care for the boring old teenager hates his dad bit. And I'm not crazy about the impending relationship doom we saw in the previews.
Just to be clear for everybody, yeah I hated it. It was frustrating me the whole way through. I'm getting angry just thinking about it, so to save my sanity I'm not watching anymore. I just did not like it at all. Hated almost all the characters (except for one) and hated the scripting and parts of the story. I stopped halfway and did a few Combat tracks to release steam, than suffered through the back half hoping they'd all just die. I'm not sure what it is about it that you guys see that I don't, but yeah I did very much dislike it.
Quote from: Sheppard on September 29, 2011, 10:22:16 PM
Just to be clear for everybody, yeah I hated it. It was frustrating me the whole way through. I'm getting angry just thinking about it, so to save my sanity I'm not watching anymore. I just did not like it at all. Hated almost all the characters (except for one) and hated the scripting and parts of the story. I stopped halfway and did a few Combat tracks to release steam, than suffered through the back half hoping they'd all just die. I'm not sure what it is about it that you guys see that I don't, but yeah I did very much dislike it.
Wow. I can honestly say that there is nothing that I've ever seen that has caused me to hate it or have that level of reaction to it. Now I'm actually sitting here wondering what was in the show to inspire such a reaction in you. Anger on that level, for me, requires some sort of emotional investment that a show just premiering on tv has no chance of achieving.
Quote from: Sheppard on September 29, 2011, 10:22:16 PM
Just to be clear for everybody, yeah I hated it. It was frustrating me the whole way through. I'm getting angry just thinking about it, so to save my sanity I'm not watching anymore. I just did not like it at all. Hated almost all the characters (except for one) and hated the scripting and parts of the story. I stopped halfway and did a few Combat tracks to release steam, than suffered through the back half hoping they'd all just die. I'm not sure what it is about it that you guys see that I don't, but yeah I did very much dislike it.
This made me laugh. Glad you didn't karate chop your TV.
Quote from: Sheppard on September 29, 2011, 10:22:16 PM
Just to be clear for everybody, yeah I hated it. It was frustrating me the whole way through. I'm getting angry just thinking about it, so to save my sanity I'm not watching anymore. I just did not like it at all. Hated almost all the characters (except for one) and hated the scripting and parts of the story. I stopped halfway and did a few Combat tracks to release steam, than suffered through the back half hoping they'd all just die. I'm not sure what it is about it that you guys see that I don't, but yeah I did very much dislike it.
So, let me see if I understand you: You loved the show so much you got a Terra Nova tattoo on you butt? :) Wow, that's a pretty severe reaction Shep. If you don't mind me asking, what exactly made you react like that? I mean, in all honesty, were you expecting something vastly different than what they presented?
LOL! Shep, that post was the clinical definition of "hating" on something! You were good up until the end. If you make a statement along the lines of "I don't see what you people see" it comes across as "You people wouldn't know quality entertainment if it fell on you". ;) Being critical turns into hating when you challenge people who like something to defend themselves.
I reserve all my hate these days for George Lucas! ;) LOL!!! :roflmao
Quote from: Rico on September 30, 2011, 08:43:30 AM
I reserve all my hate these days for George Lucas! ;) LOL!!! :roflmao
Me-sa yousa is CRRRAZZZY! (imagine Jar-Jar Binks type voice inserted here) :)
Interesting....
Fox's Terra Nova opens to so-so ratings...
The two-hour series premiere of the Steven Spielberg-produced prehistoric time travel series "Terra Nova" debuted Monday night on Fox and drew 9.22 million viewers and a 3.1 A18-49 rating. Given all the hype and the expensive nature of the series (the pilot reportedly cost $10M-$20M — amortized over the season — and the average episode budget is $4 million) the numbers failed to impress. Despite that, there was a positive to be found in that the premiere managed to hold its audience throughout the two hours. The first hour averaged 9.35M viewers and a 3.1 A18-49 rating and the second hour dipping only slightly to 9.08M viewers while holding steady among A18-49 with a 3.1. Needless to say the show's future — whether it'll be just a short 13-episode series or a long-running one — rests on the performance of future episodes.
In case you missed the two-part episode you can watch "Genesis" for Free on iTunes in HD. Fox will also be re-airing the episode this Saturday, October 1 at 8 p.m.
I think I'm just tired of crappy TV. I've seen all this stuff before and I didn't really like it then. It was predictable in the bad way. Actually you know the one thing that really bugs me about modern media is execution. I like concepts, but it just seems like they are being very poorly executed. There's lot of shows that I just don't like because I don't think they are being made well when they could be amazing. That may be why I really disliked it cause I like the idea, but it just bugged me seeing it butchered like that with boring unoriginal family drama, cardboard cutout characters, and irrelevant story plots. It's not what I was expecting, and it was far worse then I was expecting too.
Sorry to get critical and I don't mean anything against you guys who like it. It's just my frustration with the whole TV and film industry these days. I don't have a lot of time to watch anything and my bar for good TV is pretty high, I need good story, plots, and concept, good characters I can connect with, and good dialog and scripting. The three key things for me otherwise I just can't stand it.
Not a problem having an opinion after giving something a try Dan. If you want top notch TV I'll give you a few of my favorite, current show suggestions (not sure if you watch any of these on a regular basis):
"Dexter", "Breaking Bad", "Fringe", "Doctor Who."
Quote from: Sheppard on September 30, 2011, 04:28:23 PM
I think I'm just tired of crappy TV. I've seen all this stuff before and I didn't really like it then. It was predictable in the bad way. Actually you know the one thing that really bugs me about modern media is execution. I like concepts, but it just seems like they are being very poorly executed. There's lot of shows that I just don't like because I don't think they are being made well when they could be amazing. That may be why I really disliked it cause I like the idea, but it just bugged me seeing it butchered like that with boring unoriginal family drama, cardboard cutout characters, and irrelevant story plots. It's not what I was expecting, and it was far worse then I was expecting too.
Sorry to get critical and I don't mean anything against you guys who like it. It's just my frustration with the whole TV and film industry these days. I don't have a lot of time to watch anything and my bar for good TV is pretty high, I need good story, plots, and concept, good characters I can connect with, and good dialog and scripting. The three key things for me otherwise I just can't stand it.
Personally, I'm actually feeling so burned out on TV that I don't even feel like giving new shows a shot because I think they'll just cancel them within a season. Not to mention, you can't watch anything on Hulu anymore. So if I accidentally miss an episode on the night it airs because, golly gee I might have school/work to deal with, I miss the episode. And the other methods are a chore to deal with and it leaves a bad taste. See, this is what happens when you cancel so much. You get me (and more no doubt) burned out.
I'm not giving Terra Nova a chance. I really haven't gathered anything from this thread from both sides (yes, read the spoilers) to hook me in. And if it opened to so-so ratings, then it will likely be cancelled in a couple months. Especially if this was on Syfy...
King
I may be taking all this criticism too personally as I work in TV and alot of my friends work in TV and I know how hard we work to try and entertain the masses. It's well known that you can't please everyone and there will always be haters. TV is a business to make money. They aren't making these shows out of the kindness of their heart. I can respect folks giving their opinions once, what kills me are when people complain about something that they haven't watched or don't really understand, they are just jumping on the "hate" wagon. Or complain about it over and over and over again. yeah we got it.. you don't like it. And just to be clear I'm not accusing anyone here on the boards of doing this. I'm just speaking in general. At least with Dan's hating of Terra Nova he watched an episode. Not sure where this was going.. just tired of all the TV/Movie/Entertainment hating going on... shouldn't take it personally but I do.
For me the premiere was exactly what I was expecting. If you look at the creative people behind this show and think about what you saw in the previews (automatic weapons vs. Dinosaurs) you kind of knew what you were in from the start.
Brannon Braga, the executive producer and main creative force behind this show, has a pretty specific reputation in the SF scene. He's not associated with a lot of work that is universally loved by everyone. Flash Forward failed terribly. Many thought his season of 24 was the worst of them all. Voyager and Enterprise are not considered the best Trek series. I really liked all those things though (except FF) and expect to enjoy this as well. I'm hoping that with the Spielberg association the show might have more legs and be given a bit more leeway than some other programming that wouldn't survive a less than stellar first season.
From the way I understand what this series will be about, is it's going to center on the family quite a bit. Again, I'm ok with the series so far. There are things I'd tweak, but I'll keep watching. It's nearly the only true SF type series we have on right now. But, I have a feeling given the big budget that it will have to do amazing ratings to continue after this first 13 episode set.
I hear what everyone is saying. There were elements of this show that I hope they might change a bit, but the over all concept of the show I like. I do think that Characters do play a major part in a shows success, or just in how people relate to them and their feelings on the show. For me, I think I have a good handle on Taylor and Jim (The Dad), the rest I don't really know a lot, so I am hoping the fill out some of the supporting cast in the next few weeks.
I guess with shows, they are hit and miss with people. Joby mentioned how he did not like Flash Forward and others have said the same, but that was a show that I really connected with. I think a lot because I cared for the characters, and I liked the approach to it. Some other show like The Event I could never get into, I watched the first half, and then the first episode after the break, but then they piled up on my pvr and I never had the desire to watch anymore and deleted them. I guess that is why there are so many shows on TV, since everyone has different tastes and likes :). I guess the hope is that enough people have same likes as me and watch the shows I like that they get enough rating to keep on the air :) . Sometimes that happen and some times not.
I agree with King as well, that with the rate of cancellations, sometimes a person has to ask, why even bother watching if they are just going to pull the plug. The last few years I was disappointed to see some shows cancelled so quickly, like Journeyman, The Dresden Files and Flash Forward. I joined up on a few pages for the people trying to save them, but it was pretty much a hopeless cause.
I agree with Kenny, sometimes criticism or dislike of something gets tiresome. I sort of taken the viewpoint, that a person only has so much time in their life or day, I am not sure why they would fill it up complaining about things they don't like or watch. I would think that time is better spent on the things they do like. That is not directed at anyone here, just the internet in general. I follow autoracing, and for the last 3 or 4 years I have had to watch people complain about Indycar racing, and how they don't like it. They don't watch it, but still post in forums and news stories their dislike. I got it for a year or so as the events were fresh after it formed. After that, my feeling was just move along and find something else in your life. That is way off topic on this thread, but just summarizes my feeling on dislike. So with TV, I feel the same way, if a person doesn't like a show, if they are not going to watch it, then they probably don't have anything to complain about it. Just my two cents.
Quote from: Rico on October 01, 2011, 05:25:53 AM
From the way I understand what this series will be about, is it's going to center on the family quite a bit. Again, I'm ok with the series so far. There are things I'd tweak, but I'll keep watching. It's nearly the only true SF type series we have on right now. But, I have a feeling given the big budget that it will have to do amazing ratings to continue after this first 13 episode set.
I agree Rico if it doesn't do stellar in the ratings area we know Fox will do what it does best.. kill it.
I forgot that iTunes has the first episode free to TV shows these days so I checked out Terra Nova.
[spoiler]I think this show simply isn't aimed at young adults. I didn't think it would be as bad as Sheppard said but it was. The writers took short cuts to push the plot forward and it made the family very unsympathetic and the show falls apart because it focuses on the family. I'm not really interested in what the sixers are doing because I have a feeling its going to be some pretty bad/overdone plot point about government conspiracies. There are a lot of cliches in this plot and it drives me nuts....
What I think really bothers me is the family. They have been given more than most, a new chance on life, their dad out of jail where he spent two years, oh no, 2 years, that's so long, get the jobs they desire and all they can do is act like it isn't enough. Geez, its like watching a kid complain because all he got was a Wii and he also wanted a XBox 360 as well. =\ No one ever seems grateful that they got what they got. Not even once. And the angsty teenager boy got old fast because we've seen this character a million times and he's about as interesting as a cardboard box. All he cares about is the girlfriend in the future. If that's all he ever cared about, then he should have just stayed behind. I'm really tired of that cliched character because guys can...on occasion ;)....think about something else than girls. If they were engaged, that would be different.
Btw, worst CGI on the dinosaurs ever. Really unbelievable that those are real creatures and coming from Spielberg, that's pretty sad.
I think ultimately, its a show about family drama. And that's probably why Sheppard and I don't like it. For whatever reason he doesn't, but I don't because family dramas are overdone and dull. Because TV has a tendency of fixing all the problems eventually so its fairly predictable what will happen to the family. Putting the show in a SciFi setting doesn't hide what the type of show it is. And since the show hinges on the family, it can easily break apart.
However, despite all my critical arguments, I can understand why people would like this show. There is certainly something good here, its just not for me. [/spoiler]
King
What was wrong with the dinos?
Quote from: X on October 02, 2011, 12:50:42 PM
What was wrong with the dinos?
Yeah, I thought they looked pretty darn good. Especially on my big, HD TV.
x3, for TV budget I thought they looked pretty good.
They didn't blend in, especially with the carnosaur. It just stuck out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of the planet. Compared to the humans being there, it just seemed like the dinos were CGIed into the scenes. Idk, hard to say, but I'm pretty sure if I watched Jurassic Park, they would look much better and realistic than these dinos.
King
Finally got to watch the premiere with Fran, we enjoyed it overall.
[spoiler]
My only issue, as others have said, was the son. I got tired of his act pretty quickly. However, it seems like that was his attitude was adjusted after the whole situation was resolved.
[/spoiler]
We're gonna keep this in the rotation for now.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 02, 2011, 01:12:59 PM
They didn't blend in, especially with the carnosaur. It just stuck out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of the planet. Compared to the humans being there, it just seemed like the dinos were CGIed into the scenes. Idk, hard to say, but I'm pretty sure if I watched Jurassic Park, they would look much better and realistic than these dinos.
King
I 100% disagree with that. Maybe it's your resolution because it looked great on HD. Maybe you just have a bad picture because I've just rewatched the dinos and they look great. What are you viewing it on?
They look a lot better than Dino Dan, which I currently have to watch 2-3 times a day with my 2 yr old :)
Quote from: X on October 02, 2011, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 02, 2011, 01:12:59 PM
They didn't blend in, especially with the carnosaur. It just stuck out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of the planet. Compared to the humans being there, it just seemed like the dinos were CGIed into the scenes. Idk, hard to say, but I'm pretty sure if I watched Jurassic Park, they would look much better and realistic than these dinos.
King
I 100% disagree with that. Maybe it's your resolution because it looked great on HD. Maybe you just have a bad picture because I've just rewatched the dinos and they look great. What are you viewing it on?
HD Via iTunes via 22" monitor. I guess I need to go rewatch it...
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 02, 2011, 08:03:43 PM
Quote from: X on October 02, 2011, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 02, 2011, 01:12:59 PM
They didn't blend in, especially with the carnosaur. It just stuck out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of the planet. Compared to the humans being there, it just seemed like the dinos were CGIed into the scenes. Idk, hard to say, but I'm pretty sure if I watched Jurassic Park, they would look much better and realistic than these dinos.
King
I 100% disagree with that. Maybe it's your resolution because it looked great on HD. Maybe you just have a bad picture because I've just rewatched the dinos and they look great. What are you viewing it on?
HD Via iTunes via 22" monitor. I guess I need to go rewatch it...
King
But does your monitor and card actually support HD? Does it have HD resolution? I ask this because a lot of people don't know their resolution or they have it playing in something that's not optimized for their system. I'm running a 1050p connection via DVI on my 22" and it looks great. On my 47", it also looks fine.
Yes, it does. Card is a Nvidia 460 GTX FTW if you need to look it up.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 02, 2011, 09:29:39 PM
Yes, it does. Card is a Nvidia 460 GTX FTW if you need to look it up.
King
What's your monitor, the card is only part of the picture.
Quote from: X on October 02, 2011, 09:33:15 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 02, 2011, 09:29:39 PM
Yes, it does. Card is a Nvidia 460 GTX FTW if you need to look it up.
King
What's your monitor, the card is only part of the picture.
I meant yes to both, but its a Samsung 22" LCD HDTV with a resolution of 1680x1050.
King
Like your card, my card has a max of 2560x1600 but my monitor can only get 1680x1050 and it looks fine here.
Quote from: X on October 02, 2011, 09:38:02 PM
Like your card, my card has a max of 2560x1600 but my monitor can only get 1680x1050 and it looks fine here.
I'm going to rewatch it in a bit.
King
I watched the dino bits again...and just something about them visually is throwing me. Its not that they don't look real, its how they sit on the screen. They look like someone stuck them on top of the film and it just doesn't blend that well with the environment. Its odd because I don't often have this problem with modern CGI, but for some reason the dinos just don't look like they belong where they do.
But that's not my only problem, as I said before, not interested in a family drama show.
King
So tonight's episode.....ummmm....yeah...
I was unaware we were pinning for a remake of The Birds.
Quote from: Bryancd on October 03, 2011, 07:44:07 PM
So tonight's episode.....ummmm....yeah...
I was unaware we were pinning for a remake of The Birds.
I thought it was more...
[spoiler]Birds meet Pitch Black. I mean the scene where they rise up had me thinking back to the critters coming out of the ground during pitch black, but I enjoyed it.[/spoiler]
I have to say the series is one for two for me. Didn't find last night interesting in the least.
Sitting on my TIVO. Will watch tonight.
Quote from: Bryancd on October 04, 2011, 04:45:45 AM
I have to say the series is one for two for me. Didn't find last night interesting in the least.
What did you think about the ...
[spoiler]Changes to the family dynamic? It seems like they got over the internal family drama to make it external. The Father/Son conflict seems to have given way to a rivalry between Father and ex-lover. The son has changed from despondent about his girl to a possible love triangle that spans two realities and 85 billion years. [/spoiler]
Quote from: X on October 04, 2011, 05:19:38 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on October 04, 2011, 04:45:45 AM
I have to say the series is one for two for me. Didn't find last night interesting in the least.
What did you think about the ...
[spoiler]Changes to the family dynamic? It seems like they got over the internal family drama to make it external. The Father/Son conflict seems to have given way to a rivalry between Father and ex-lover. The son has changed from despondent about his girl to a possible love triangle that spans two realities and 85 billion years. [/spoiler]
[spoiler]I liked the change in the family dynamic in regards to the father and son relationship. I was frustrated with the sons petulant behavior towrds hid Dad last episode as it didn't make a lot of sense. This seems much more balanced and real. I'm not conecting with the sons angst over his girlfriend in the future as that wasn't well established and he's got this super cuttie practically throwing herself at him. We were that age once and we would be all over that and pinning over future girl is pointless as you can't go back. The ex-boyfriend plot just kid of went nowhere and wasn't really that interesting. Had he been an ex-lover she had while Dad was in jail would have spice it up a bit, but would have made the wife less sympathetic. So I didn't find that compelling. And the whole bird attack was very B-movie with really no suspense or real sense of danger. It all seemd really silly as they ran around ducking and waving their arms at these little creatures.[/spoiler]
so last night's episode was a dinosaur of the week episode. I hope they aren't going to be like that every week. I still enjoyed it a bit. I guess I didn't like it as much as the pilot. We will see.
I want this to succeed. I like the concept and I like the actors.
By the way, did you guys catch the writers little nod to Trek? The Asian soldier in the beginning who calls into Tera Nova is named Okuda, as in Dennis Okuda.
Just watched episode two and I was fine with it. I liked the characters more this week and I was also ok with the little flying dino's attacking Terra Nova. I doubt it will be some dino menace each week as the problem. Next week's preview looked interesting and different. I'm actually more intrigued by the series now than I was after the pilot episode.
- Oh, and it was Mike Okuda and his wife Denise Okuda who worked on Trek.
Quote from: Rico on October 04, 2011, 05:51:58 PM
Just watched episode two and I was fine with it. I liked the characters more this week and I was also ok with the little flying dino's attacking Terra Nova. I doubt it will be some dino menace each week as the problem. Next week's preview looked interesting and different. I'm actually more intrigued by the series now than I was after the pilot episode.
- Oh, and it was Mike Okuda and his wife Denise Okuda who worked on Trek.
Totally agree that episode 2 actually got me more interested. They made the commander and the father a little more likable and that teenage son being mad at the dad crap is gone. Wife and I enjoyed this one.
Yep. And it made sense to me. The dad and son kind of mended things in the first episode and moved on. I'm sure other problems will pop up from time to time (anyone who has ever had teenage kids will understand that), but they are trying to get along. I'll be continuing to see what stories they come up with.
P.S. I still want to see how they talk to the people in the future.
I imagine they can send a signal of some type back through the time rip thing even though they can't physically go back through.
Quote from: Rico on October 05, 2011, 05:17:28 AM
Yep. And it made sense to me. The dad and son kind of mended things in the first episode and moved on. I'm sure other problems will pop up from time to time (anyone who has ever had teenage kids will understand that), but they are trying to get along. I'll be continuing to see what stories they come up with.
P.S. I still want to see how they talk to the people in the future.
Yes, I was wondering that too...since once the dad ran through there was no sending him back...I think I heard in the first episode that the time fracture or whatever appeared or became usable on sort of a schedule...? Maybe I misheard. But there's old Trek writers involved on this show, I'm sure there'll be some convincing technobabble to explain it all.
I have to say, I liked this weeks episode. As everyone stated, the family drama has been toned down quite a bit. I thought the story with the Birds was interesting enough as well. Maybe I am a bit crazy, but I found this episode reminded me of TV shows of this ilk from 10 or 15 years ago. Since they are in prehistoric times, I would expect the first few episodes are probably going to be more dino based, before they really start digging into the mythology of the series and larger story arcs.
Quote from: billybob476 on October 05, 2011, 07:36:59 AM
I imagine they can send a signal of some type back through the time rip thing even though they can't physically go back through.
Didn't they state in the pilot that there was absolutely no communication once you passed through the rift? All they had was the probe which, because it hadn't been found in the future, proves they are starting a new timeline seperate from the polluted one they just left.
Although I am now wondering how they know whats on the otherside of the rift in the polluted time era. There must be something....
I actually liked the pilot better than the 2nd episode even though I have enjoyed them both. I hope this series stays around. I did drop my cable down to basic so I won't be able to watch it in HD. The wife did sign up for Huluplus so maybe its on there in HD?
Has anyone heard and ratings numbers yet??
Just finished episode two.. enjoyed it as much as episode one.. this is a fun, entertaining new series.. can't wait to see where it goes from here.
3rd episode was a hit with me. I enjoyed it a bunch. Very fun... and the plot starts to thicken! woo hooooo!
Tonight's episode was pretty good. Looking forward to next week's show.
The show seems to be getting better! Quite enjoyed ep4.
Yep, a much better episode. A little too quick resolution at the end but still more dynamic and interesting.
Darn it I keep missing this show! I finally saw the second episode with the birds and liked it. I'll have to seek out #3 now. I think this show has earned a regular spot on my DVR.
Really? I was bored by last night's episode.
[spoiler] As soon as whats-his-name got a cold, and there was even mention of a virus, it seemed obvious that having a cold would prevent him from becoming infected. I feel like I've seen that hundreds of times. The story with the Sixers seems to be getting a little more interesting, but it was only mentioned, really, at the end of the episode. Though it's possible that they dealt with it a bit more and I missed it - it just wasn't holding my attention at all. [/spoiler]
Really enjoyed last nights episode.. a bit predictable but didn't take away the entertainment value.. looking forward to episode 4
I agree with Kenny. It is very predictable at times, but still enjoyable. Even my daughters were guessing things that turned out to be obviously true.
It was going to be a show that I watched, but somehow, it has managed to get both kids and Amanda hooked. I now have to wait for everyone to be free before sitting down and watching it. There's not many of my shows that Amanda gets into.
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on October 11, 2011, 11:55:14 AM
It was going to be a show that I watched, but somehow, it has managed to get both kids and Amanda hooked. I now have to wait for everyone to be free before sitting down and watching it. There's not many of my shows that Amanda gets into.
That is the best testament yet. Family viewing.. awesome
Jamie gave it a shot for the premiere but once the dinosaurs showed up she was out. :(
Bryan, why? Is she a dinodentite? :)
LOL! She's not a fan of Jurasic Park, apparently. She was really engaged when they were in the future, curiously enough. That was the best part of the premiere episode, I thought.
My watching of this is hampered by my wife's rewatch of Dallas... from the beginning... I haven't even seen the first episode yet!
Quote from: Bryancd on October 11, 2011, 12:12:02 PM
LOL! She's not a fan of Jurasic Park, apparently. She was really engaged when they were in the future, curiously enough. That was the best part of the premiere episode, I thought.
and you married her ANYWAY?! :)
Quote from: Feathers on October 11, 2011, 12:23:12 PM
My watching of this is hampered by my wife's rewatch of Dallas... from the beginning... I haven't even seen the first episode yet!
Wow. Dallas! Have fun! ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on October 11, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: Feathers on October 11, 2011, 12:23:12 PM
My watching of this is hampered by my wife's rewatch of Dallas... from the beginning... I haven't even seen the first episode yet!
Wow. Dallas! Have fun! ;)
Dallas huh:
[spoiler]It was ALL a dream! :)[/spoiler]
I liked the 3rd better than the second. My wife saw the beginning of this one before i did and she said you will like the beginning of this.[spoiler]And yes I loved that the guy got eaten by the dinosaur!! I loved it and said thats AWESOME! The wife said "I knew you would like that." Is there something wrong with me?? [/spoiler]
Seen the first hour of the initial two-parter now and quite enjoyed it. Obviously, it's all setup so far so I'll let you know what I think once I get deeper into story.
Quote from: Feathers on October 11, 2011, 12:23:12 PM
My watching of this is hampered by my wife's rewatch of Dallas... from the beginning... I haven't even seen the first episode yet!
Can't you pop Man From Atlantis on and tell her it's Dallas!
I thought this weeks episode was pretty good, enjoying this series quite a bit
[spoiler]The stuff with Taylors past was interesting, hopefully it comes into play a bit more, as seemed pretty intense[/spoiler]
Quote from: QuadShot on October 11, 2011, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on October 11, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: Feathers on October 11, 2011, 12:23:12 PM
My watching of this is hampered by my wife's rewatch of Dallas... from the beginning... I haven't even seen the first episode yet!
Wow. Dallas! Have fun! ;)
Dallas huh:
[spoiler]It was ALL a dream! :)[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I thought that was St. Elsewhere![/spoiler]
Finally watched last Monday's episode and..well, I'm giving up on it. I just can't make myself like this show.
Quote from: QuadShot on October 17, 2011, 12:39:58 PM
Finally watched last Monday's episode and..well, I'm giving up on it. I just can't make myself like this show.
I'm still on the edge, going to see what tonight brings...
Not sure how we relate to your schedule but I've just watched last Mondays episode (it had birds in it) and I think I'm quite charmed by this one.
I'm moving onto tonight's show now. I'll see what I think after that but I think this is a keeper for me, so far (and if I get much further in I'll probably watch to the end whether I like it or not).
Quote from: Feathers on October 17, 2011, 01:58:26 PM
Not sure how we relate to your schedule but I've just watched last Mondays episode (it had birds in it) and I think I'm quite charmed by this one.
I'm moving onto tonight's show now. I'll see what I think after that but I think this is a keeper for me, so far (and if I get much further in I'll probably watch to the end whether I like it or not).
From this description, sounds like you're one week behind.
Quote from: spaltor on October 17, 2011, 02:23:23 PM
From this description, sounds like you're one week behind.
Yeah, just realised that a part of the current episode corresponds to something you said about last weeks episode over there.
An ok episode this week with the little girl. Overall the show is just kind of average so far to me. I keep thinking of how these people are in this exotic new location, and the problems they seem to deal with for the most part are kind of petty and small. Where's the exploration and adventure aspect? I know it's dangerous out there, but I want to see more of that and learn what's out there. Anyway, I'll keep watching but I think the series might be on borrowed time.
Agree, Rico. And the Sixes are way too Lord of the Flies/Road Warrior. It's really hard to believe just because they split with Tera Nova they become savages with painted faces. WTF?
Yeah. I agree with all these points. Distinctly average so far. Watchable, but average.
I get a funny vibe from it like I'm watching a show from te 1990's also. Weird.
Hopefully they will crank it up a notch in the next few episodes but I too have the feeling this will not get renewed at the moment.
Yeah, I think the biggest shame here is that the show isn't bad...it's boring. How they can take this premise and make it dull is beyond me.
Quote from: Bryancd on October 20, 2011, 07:34:57 AM
Yeah, I think the biggest shame here is that the show isn't bad...it's boring. How they can take this premise and make it dull is beyond me.
I know. And people are making fun of George Lucas for what' HE'S done! I think Mr. Steven deserves a little of that animosity too! :)
Is it boring or is it simply not what you expected?
I can't really define why but I'm enjoying it so far (one week behind you, though, so if last week was particularly dull, I haven't seen it yet)
Well, both. It's not what I expected and (just my opinion) I think it's pretty boring. Like Rico said, they have this amazing backdrop with all sorts of story possibilities. Instead of tracking T-Rex, or maybe discovering something no one knew existed, we get to see how a teenaged son acts with his friends - drinking homemade dino-hooch and swooning over the girl he left behind. Kind of like Jurassic 90201
Quote from: Feathers on October 20, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
Is it boring or is it simply not what you expected?
I can't really define why but I'm enjoying it so far (one week behind you, though, so if last week was particularly dull, I haven't seen it yet)
Just wait, it's a yawner, Mike! But like Rico and Al are saying, the potential for exploring this world is very interesting but they don't seem to be taking advantage of that..yet, anyway. And I really do have an issue with the Sixes. Conceptually I like the idea of a rival faction, but all these people are from the future and the idea that one group is running around like a bunch of savages really stretches credibility.
I think it's a family drama/ procedural built on the foundation of a sci-fi setting. I'm enjoying it because I didn't go in expecting Land of the Lost. I never thought it was about exploring the world, but setting up the colony and that seems to be playing out exact as I expected. I guess because I wasn't looking for a dino hunter show, I've been enjoying it. There are a lot of deeper questions going on that I want to see answered and they are building the story with each episode. Clear lines of division are becoming blurred with each following show and I'm enjoying that.
In the end, the show is EXACTLY what was promised and hinted at before it premiered. Earth is dead a family is trying to make it in a new city in the past. That's exactly what's happening. They didn't promise monster hunts and exploration. They promised us a family adapting to life in a time of dinos.
Quote from: Bryancd on October 20, 2011, 08:24:47 AM
Quote from: Feathers on October 20, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
Is it boring or is it simply not what you expected?
I can't really define why but I'm enjoying it so far (one week behind you, though, so if last week was particularly dull, I haven't seen it yet)
Just wait, it's a yawner, Mike! But like Rico and Al are saying, the potential for exploring this world is very interesting but they don't seem to be taking advantage of that..yet, anyway. And I really do have an issue with the Sixes. Conceptually I like the idea of a rival faction, but all these people are from the future and the idea that one group is running around like a bunch of savages really stretches credibility.
I don't see them running around like savages. I see them as having to exist with far few resources. Yes, they have the paint and feathers, but that could be more of an ideal or homage to the people they read about in the books of their time. It could also serve as an intimidation factor and one of unification of the people there. Visually, it serves the viewer in establishing who belongs to what side early in the game as we get to know the players. I see what you are saying, but I think the choices work on a lot of levels. Especially considering that they are trying to capture a large audience.
I'm not saying it's even close to being the best show on tv, but they are delivering what the promotional materials said they would.
I'm liking the show. It's a great family-friendlyish Sci-fi show we all watch together, which is sort of lacking lately. I certainly didn't expect dino heavy episodes on a network TV budget.
Anybody watch this weeks episode?
Oh dear. Is it worth discussing? Lol
I did. CSI in prehistoric times? Or Law and Order? I don't know.
Quote from: moyer777 on November 01, 2011, 02:46:08 PM
I did. CSI in prehistoric times? Or Law and Order? I don't know.
Well...
[spoiler]The murder mystery wasn't that bad. The "syrupy" aspects of the show are a little annoying.
Such as them saying "just to be clear we aren't going to kill this dinosaur are we?" for a start. Like people in this situation, especially investigating a murder will be considering the welfare of this creature that just ate a guy!
They are really pushing the family viewing a little too much that it is affecting the plot and that is not good.
Some of the dialogue is pretty poor and the characters are still not fleshed out. They really need to find their feet soon I think.[/spoiler]
Yeah, I'm with you Dan. It started off interesting and I was very engaged with the main story for a bit...and then..
[spoiler]I was not feeling the secondary story with the egg. That was going nowhere for me and they were really spending a lot of emotional capital on it. Then when the whole banishment thing came up it really fell flat. I mean what's to prevent someone who is banished to go join the Sixers? They would love to have them![/spoiler]
The show is still just average or so for me, but I'm still watching. The recent episode with the meteor was interesting and better than the previous week, I thought. I'm not quite sure what to think of what happened near the end but I guess we'll see how that all plays out.
Yeah, I still have it set to record, and have watched a couple more episodes, but honestly, it's not making the cut for me. I watched the one from two weeks ago, but not the latest episode. To me, it's kind of an meh show. Sorry for those who really like it, but I have doubts this will last.
I still watch it, the last episode was a bit better, but me thinks it will go away. Too bad, I liked the concept.
I rarely drop shows entirely, just because I like to have a full story. But this has certainly fallen to the bottom of my priority list.
Sounds like you guys are starting to come around to my way of thinking perhaps. I'm glad I didn't keep watching after the pilot. I just didn't see the show as worth my time. You all know I very much disliked the pilot and I couldn't even bring myself to watching anymore of it. Sounds like you guys are losing the liking for it. It is a shame cause I do like the concept.
I'm not having any real issues with it. I'd say it was more of a 'light and fluffy' watch than a 'grips me and won't let go' but I'm still enjoying it.
From what you guys are saying, it sounds like the next one is better than average too so I'll definately be watching that.
I'm with you Mike. It isn't the best example of a TV Show but nothing in it offends that much that I'd stop watching. It's still enjoyable and some of the dodgy writing and acting can be quite entertaining! :)
So, do you think in 40 years people will still be watching, like we do with Star Trek?
Yeah, unlike Sheppard I'm not ranting or super bothered by this series. It's just not been quite as exciting as I had hoped. But it's one of the few Sci-Fi type series on right now, so I'll keep tuning in. They are only getting 13 episodes this season anyway and the season will end on Dec. 19th.
Quote from: Rico on November 11, 2011, 08:27:52 AM
Yeah, unlike Sheppard I'm not ranting or super bothered by this series. It's just not been quite as exciting as I had hoped. But it's one of the few Sci-Fi type series on right now, so I'll keep tuning in. They are only getting 13 episodes this season anyway and the season will end on Dec. 19th.
I just don't see that as a reason to watch it. I've cooled down a little from my whole rant. I'm sure it's fine, but my bar for shows is so high. I don't have that much time to watch TV and so what I do watch better be amazing. I don't feel like I'm missing anything spectacular by not watching. I check up on this thread from time to time just in case, but after the pilot I can just say I knew with great certainty it was not something I wanted to watch. I've got other things to do, and old shows and movies I could be catching up on instead.
Just because it's SF, don't get the idea that's the only reason I'm still watching. There are still elements I like and the plot has gotten a bit more complex lately. I'm not sure what "amazing" shows you watch, but most tend to be just above average to me. Some a bit more and some a bit less. There are a couple exceptions, but overall TV tends to focus on the middle audience.
By "amazing" I mean like Firefly, Doctor Who, Farscape, Chuck, Fringe. The shows I just love to watch. There have been some really good scifi, like Journeyman and SGU, maybe they didn't start out amazing, but I just don't want to watch Terra Nova for the same reason I gave up on Heroes. I just don't enjoy watching it. I'm fine if you guys like it, but I don't support it with my time.
That's fine and I can respect that. I'm certainly not defending this series. I do think with all the talent behind this show they should have been able to make it a lot better. I would be shocked if it continues past the first 13 episodes of season one.
Quote from: Rico on November 12, 2011, 05:20:43 AM
That's fine and I can respect that. I'm certainly not defending this series. I do think with all the talent behind this show they should have been able to make it a lot better. I would be shocked if it continues past the first 13 episodes of season one.
You know I think that is the exact reason I disliked it so much, cause I was hoping it was so much more and it just wasn't. It really is a shame I think, cause I really do like the concept.
I wonder if it wouldn't have been more interesting if the story followed the first or second pilgrimage, rather than whichever one we're on. Finding a "safe" area, setting up camp, studying the dinos, etc. Seems like most of the complaints are because things seem just too easy for the situation that these people are in.
It's not one of my all time favorites to be sure, but it's got one of those qualities that's kind of hard to define. I keep telling Joyce that's it. We're not watching any more, yet, I don't delete the DVR program! :) I do have a question though: they got around that whole butterfly effect thing by putting them in an "alternate" timeline right? Not OUR past. So, it doesnt' matter what they do, it won't really change anything, or anyone, for better or worse, in our future - er, their present...whatever. BUT...has ANYONE thought to ask: what about the future of the past they ARE in? Aren't they mucking that all up?
good point Al. Maybe folks from that timeline's future will come back and stop these guys... hmmmm.
OR...Maybe the sixers are from the current timeline???
Quote from: QuadShot on November 14, 2011, 12:40:55 PM
OR...Maybe the sixers are from the current timeline???
I had that question! It just comes across as incredibly selfish of them the screw up someone else's world in the past. Having discovered time travel and a parallel world, they have to have though about the possible impact of the reverse happening, i.e. a group from Terra Novas future fleeing to the past of Earth to excape the changes being wrought by the settlers presence in their past.
That could make for a good series...
This show continues to frustrate me. Last nights episode had three sepeartae story lines going and only one was interesting.
[spoiler]I seriously can't stand the son and his whole petty life of crime to see his girlfriend. It makes no sesne and makes the character so unlikeable. And the daughter and scientist peril?! Holly frack that was stupid, the cherry on the sundae being when she tried to run away from a guy with a cane..and tripped and fell! Who's writting this?![/spoiler]
Yep the writing continues to be poor.
I think most of the suggestions in this thread as to where to take the show are I lot more interesting! Perhaps we should submit them? ;)
Just blame Brannon Braga, he's used to getting pooped on by Trekkies.
For me I thought this was the best Episode to date, as it looked to deal with the mythology of the show.
[spoiler]I did not really mind the story with the son, though if his Dad is such a good investigator, I would have expected he would have found this out on how own without the Son coming clean. The security on some important medicine seems pretty lax. I have been wondering for the past few Episodes how that Bartender can roam around so easily, when it seems like it is common knowledge among Terra Nova that he is up to no good.
Taylors story was good, I liked that he tracked down that banished soldier to have him do some recon for him. I think that this is where the real meat of this series is going to come, at least for me.
I guess the imposter scientist they had to throw in the whole angle that he Murdered the real scientist, or him sneaking his way into Terra Nova would have been no more of a crime then the Shannon family being there[/spoiler]
I'm a week behind you guys but, while I still very much enjoyed the episode overall, I did find that
[spoiler]the concept that a bio-bed needs just one chip to make it work ridiculous. If that's the extent of the electronics in that thing then why is it so big? The chip fabrication machine concept didn't do much for me either.[/spoiler]
also
[spoiler]did they really have a manual door release that a child could use on the OUTSIDE of the super-secret secure computing room? If so, why did anyone ever use the complicated electronic opening mechanism?[/spoiler]
Sorry, if they carry on with things like that then I don't see this having too much of a future, sad to say. I can generally suspend my disbelief enough for most things but even I struggled a bit with this one.
Mike on your first point...
[spoiler]For dramatic purposes one chip was easier to fix. Let's maybe say the EMP didn't knock every circuit out on the bed. I can accept that. Power surges and things can hit some electronic parts and not others.[/spoiler]
and on your last point...
[spoiler]The outside control I took as a manual release for emergency use - like a power failure. It wouldn't work as a way to normally get inside the room.[/spoiler]
While I can accept the first point as a story necessity, the second just doesn't hold true for me. If there's a quicker and easier way to do something, people will use it. On the security front, something is only as secure as the least secure means of gaining access to it.
(The existance of manual door overrides on starfleet ships elicit the same reaction from me.)
Quote from: Feathers on November 18, 2011, 04:47:13 AM
While I can accept the first point as a story necessity, the second just doesn't hold true for me. If there's a quicker and easier way to do something, people will use it. On the security front, something is only as secure as the least secure means of gaining access to it.
(The existance of manual door overrides on starfleet ships elicit the same reaction from me.)
[spoiler]At first, I was in the camp that said the manual override is a great idea, then I started thinking about Mike's statement. And I think Mike is right. What good is having all those super secret and high tech automatic door openers that have special locks, if all you have to do is cut the power and use the manual release? I'm sure that the manual release won't work under powered conditions, but if the purpose behind them is to offer escape or entry in extreme situations, don't you think they should have at least secured that latch better? Maybe hidden it somewhere? Or maybe even given it some sort of limted power supply that isn't affected when the main power goes out, then add some sort of code pad to it? Just my thoughts. [/spoiler]
[spoiler]The manual release should have been on the inside. Power goes out, they need a way to exit the room. It makes sense to have on the inside of a secure room, not on the outside.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Scott on November 21, 2011, 07:10:39 PM
[spoiler]The manual release should have been on the inside. Power goes out, they need a way to exit the room. It makes sense to have on the inside of a secure room, not on the outside.[/spoiler]
Now that makes much more sense.
But you guys are missing the point. Without the release where it was the dad wouldn't have had to sing the spider go away song. ;)
Latest episode was better. Starting to get a little background on what might be going on but either the acting or the dialogue is still terrible. I can't quite figure out which lol.
A good example is
[spoiler]The flashback with Taylor and his son and the general. Cringeworthy! [/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on November 22, 2011, 05:22:36 AM
But you guys are missing the point. Without the release where it was the dad wouldn't have had to sing the spider go away song. ;)
True, so very true. Hey, anyone know if iTunes is planning on selling that wonderful tune? :)
said in Yoda voice, "A singer he is not." :yodaxmas
I was watching what I think is last weeks episode and I'll tell you what bugged me
[spoiler]Everyone on the base knew about sonic waves and EMP pulses (by the way it's an EM pulse or an EMP-Nerd Sprain) but no one seemed to actually think this might happen or that millions of years in the past you just might lose your extremely delicate technology with no chance of resupply.
Here's the point: Where are your guns? Mechanical firing pins and bullets- They've worked for 500 years and I'm pretty sure despite any technological advances they still hurt dinosaurs and any rebels you may have. Also, no flamethrowers or artillery... Aren't you surrounded by wildlife. Anyway,[/spoiler]
I know most of this is just complaining, but those were a few things that really irritated me.
Jeff :usflag
Quote from: DrKankles on November 23, 2011, 03:21:50 AM
I was watching what I think is last weeks episode and I'll tell you what bugged me
[spoiler]Everyone on the base knew about sonic waves and EMP pulses (by the way it's an EM pulse or an EMP-Nerd Sprain) but no one seemed to actually think this might happen or that millions of years in the past you just might lose your extremely delicate technology with no chance of resupply.
Here's the point: Where are your guns? Mechanical firing pins and bullets- They've worked for 500 years and I'm pretty sure despite any technological advances they still hurt dinosaurs and any rebels you may have. Also, no flamethrowers or artillery... Aren't you surrounded by wildlife. Anyway,[/spoiler]
I know most of this is just complaining, but those were a few things that really irritated me.
Jeff :usflag
I think that just gives the shows producers and out to have non-lethal weapons so they don't need to show people or dinosaurs getting gunned down. Keeps the violence in check and the show more family friendly.
Quote from: DrKankles on November 23, 2011, 03:21:50 AM
I was watching what I think is last weeks episode and I'll tell you what bugged me
[spoiler]Everyone on the base knew about sonic waves and EMP pulses (by the way it's an EM pulse or an EMP-Nerd Sprain) but no one seemed to actually think this might happen or that millions of years in the past you just might lose your extremely delicate technology with no chance of resupply.
Here's the point: Where are your guns? Mechanical firing pins and bullets- They've worked for 500 years and I'm pretty sure despite any technological advances they still hurt dinosaurs and any rebels you may have. Also, no flamethrowers or artillery... Aren't you surrounded by wildlife. Anyway,[/spoiler]
I know most of this is just complaining, but those were a few things that really irritated me.
Jeff :usflag
I understand where you are coming from, but still to this day, people still call ATMs ATM machines (automated teller machine ... machine)
Quote from: Bryancd on November 23, 2011, 05:38:10 AM
Quote from: DrKankles on November 23, 2011, 03:21:50 AM
I was watching what I think is last weeks episode and I'll tell you what bugged me
[spoiler]Everyone on the base knew about sonic waves and EMP pulses (by the way it's an EM pulse or an EMP-Nerd Sprain) but no one seemed to actually think this might happen or that millions of years in the past you just might lose your extremely delicate technology with no chance of resupply.
Here's the point: Where are your guns? Mechanical firing pins and bullets- They've worked for 500 years and I'm pretty sure despite any technological advances they still hurt dinosaurs and any rebels you may have. Also, no flamethrowers or artillery... Aren't you surrounded by wildlife. Anyway,[/spoiler]
I know most of this is just complaining, but those were a few things that really irritated me.
Jeff :usflag
I think that just gives the shows producers and out to have non-lethal weapons so they don't need to show people or dinosaurs getting gunned down. Keeps the violence in check and the show more family friendly.
[spoiler]
I don't know about you, but I would still keep a cache of guns in a time of dinosaurs. Also, depending on electricity in the dinosaur age? Right, that could never come back to bite you in the butt....I mean, we have issues with our power grids in the 21st century, why should you trust it back then?
[/spoiler]
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on November 23, 2011, 09:28:48 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on November 23, 2011, 05:38:10 AM
Quote from: DrKankles on November 23, 2011, 03:21:50 AM
I was watching what I think is last weeks episode and I'll tell you what bugged me
[spoiler]Everyone on the base knew about sonic waves and EMP pulses (by the way it's an EM pulse or an EMP-Nerd Sprain) but no one seemed to actually think this might happen or that millions of years in the past you just might lose your extremely delicate technology with no chance of resupply.
Here's the point: Where are your guns? Mechanical firing pins and bullets- They've worked for 500 years and I'm pretty sure despite any technological advances they still hurt dinosaurs and any rebels you may have. Also, no flamethrowers or artillery... Aren't you surrounded by wildlife. Anyway,[/spoiler]
I know most of this is just complaining, but those were a few things that really irritated me.
Jeff :usflag
I think that just gives the shows producers and out to have non-lethal weapons so they don't need to show people or dinosaurs getting gunned down. Keeps the violence in check and the show more family friendly.
[spoiler]
I don't know about you, but I would still keep a cache of guns in a time of dinosaurs. Also, depending on electricity in the dinosaur age? Right, that could never come back to bite you in the butt....I mean, we have issues with our power grids in the 21st century, why should you trust it back then?
[/spoiler]
King
This is part of the problem with the show. They have written themselves into a corner making sure that it is "family friendly" that you get writing like the an action scene a couple of shows ago where they are chasing down a dinosaur that had just EATEN somebody and a character has to announce just to be clear they aren't going to kill the dinosaur after they've cut it open.
*sigh*
I guess I'm crazy, the show and characters have grown on me. But I am attracted to lost causes like V and Sarah Connor Chronicles.
I've enjoyed the show more than I thought I would. It did have some of the signs of a possible mess before it was shown on TV, but it's not bad. I do hear some not so great things like "it's expensive to produce" uh oh. That means so-so ratings might mean a budget cut or cancellation.
I would say the writing is good even though the main story arc is just okay. The actors are the ones really holding the show together and I would like to see it stick around to see what they can do with them.
Pet peeve: Is it me or are the Terra Nova soldiers the worst. They seem to always be getting their asses kicked by sixers or beasts. I think they come from the stormtrooper academy under the direction of Lt. Worf.
I'm 3 show behind but I am still enjoying it. Last one I watched was "Nightfall" where thay had the meteor explode and send out the emp wave or whatever it was called. [spoiler]We finally got to see Taylor's son in this episode. And I enjoyed the part where Shannon and his daughter got caught in that room.[/spoiler]
I was enjoying it anyway but now we're digging into the bigger story arc a bit, it's starting to pick up a bit further in my opinion.
Quote from: Feathers on December 04, 2011, 10:14:10 AM
I was enjoying it anyway but now we're digging into the bigger story arc a bit, it's starting to pick up a bit further in my opinion.
I agree Mike, the show has gotten better as they get into the larger story. I thought the last 3 or 4 episodes have been quite good in my opinion.
Last night's episode was pretty good and definitely setting things up for the finale. The show has grown on me the last few episodes. We get two hours next week for the last episode of the season. I kind of hope it returns because certainly not everything will be resolved.
That's so funny, I just finished watching this as well and did enjoy this last episode. I had missed the last one but was able to catch up pretty easily. The only thing I still struggle with is the what I see as a dichotomy between what the show tires to portray in general about the life of people in this world. On the one hand, the producers want us to see the people in Tera Nova struggling and fighting for their existence but then show us their homes, which are lovely, and a bar that looks like it came right from trendy downtown Scottsdale, AZ. Life their look idyllic sometimes.
Well, there are dinosaurs, diseases, and a lot of people trying to kill them all. So not quite paradise. ;)
Looks like Fox won't decide on a second season for the show until sometime in 2012. Here's an article on things:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/terra-nova-finale-season-two-274927?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+live_feed+(The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Live+Feed) (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/terra-nova-finale-season-two-274927?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+live_feed+(The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Live+Feed))
That's probably more or less a bad sign. Don't think I'll be shedding any tears for it when... I mean if it get's cancelled.
Dan, I would expect you would buy a nice bottle of champagne and pop the cork if Fox cans it. ;)
Quote from: Rico on December 19, 2011, 04:31:34 PM
Dan, I would expect you would buy a nice bottle of champagne and pop the cork if Fox cans it. ;)
And I'll be right there with him, and we'll drink to the lost show Firefly.... ;)
King
You guys know now that it will be renewed. Just because you feel this way. LOL! ;)
Realistically I don't even care. If it get's renewed I'm not gonna watch it and Fox can waste as much money on it as they want. Think I'll check out Primeval for my dino fix instead.
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the need to crap on something that someone else is enjoying. If it's not your cup of tea, that's cool, but I just don't get the need to take pleasure in something failing that someone else enjoys. I'm not saying that this is happening here, but I think it's happening too much as of late.
I agree Chris, I stopped watching this thread right around the same time I stopped watching the show. Life's too short.
Wow, the finale rocked. So glad I kept watching. Best episode out of all of them.
Quote from: X on December 19, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the need to crap on something that someone else is enjoying. If it's not your cup of tea, that's cool, but I just don't get the need to take pleasure in something failing that someone else enjoys. I'm not saying that this is happening here, but I think it's happening too much as of late.
I agree Chris. I'm perfectly fine with people having a variety of opinions on a subject. But if you don't care for something, say your peace and move on. I don't visit threads or subjects that don't interest me.
As far as "Terra Nova" I have been not completely enthralled with it, but I do believe it has steadily improved. And like Rick said above, I agree the two hour season finale was pretty cool and rocked in many parts. I do hope they get a season two because I think they have set a lot up for the future. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. :)
Quote from: Rico on December 20, 2011, 05:08:47 AM
As far as "Terra Nova" I have been not completely enthralled with it, but I do believe it has steadily improved. And like Rick said above, I agree the two hour season finale was pretty cool and rocked in many parts. I do hope they get a season two because I think they have set a lot up for the future. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. :)
I haven't given this show a complete watch, but last night sold me on something about it. I think that they raised my interests in the show by really raising the stakes. I really want to see season two and I might even watch all of season one.
Quote from: X on December 19, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the need to crap on something that someone else is enjoying. If it's not your cup of tea, that's cool, but I just don't get the need to take pleasure in something failing that someone else enjoys. I'm not saying that this is happening here, but I think it's happening too much as of late.
Using that same logic, why promote something someone else doesn't like? It seems to me that lately, only pro comments are accepted here anymore. Honestly. Whenever a topic about a movie or show is started and someone has the nerve to say how THEY feel, boom. We get comments like "I really don't see the need to crap on something someone else likes". I thought this was a place that accepted all views? I mean, why should someone sit by while others are saying how wonderful something is if they don't feel the same way? Should I just keep my mouth (or...fingers!) shut if I think a show, or movie, is crap? Not really fair is it? So, by those telling others they shouldn't "crap on what others enjoy", you're pretty much telling them their opinion has no weight around here and that's crap. Just my opinion. Feel free to tell me it's crap! :)
Speaking of crap, I missed the show last night and really wanted to see it! Crap! I hope the re-air it before Season 2 assuming it gets another Season.
Quote from: Bryancd on December 20, 2011, 06:45:43 AM
Speaking of crap, I missed the show last night and really wanted to see it! Crap! I hope the re-air it before Season 2 assuming it gets another Season.
Awwww CRAP!!!! :) Now see what
YOU started Bryan! :roflmao
Quote from: QuadShot on December 20, 2011, 06:38:46 AM
Quote from: X on December 19, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the need to crap on something that someone else is enjoying. If it's not your cup of tea, that's cool, but I just don't get the need to take pleasure in something failing that someone else enjoys. I'm not saying that this is happening here, but I think it's happening too much as of late.
Using that same logic, why promote something someone else doesn't like? It seems to me that lately, only pro comments are accepted here anymore. Honestly. Whenever a topic about a movie or show is started and someone has the nerve to say how THEY feel, boom. We get comments like "I really don't see the need to crap on something someone else likes". I thought this was a place that accepted all views? I mean, why should someone sit by while others are saying how wonderful something is if they don't feel the same way? Should I just keep my mouth (or...fingers!) shut if I think a show, or movie, is crap? Not really fair is it? So, by those telling others they shouldn't "crap on what others enjoy", you're pretty much telling them their opinion has no weight around here and that's crap. Just my opinion. Feel free to tell me it's crap! :)
Disclaimer: These are the views of me and as such I use the words "you" and "your" many times while responding to the above quote. The you in question is not directed to a specific person, but to those persons that might share similar thoughts. The below comments are not meant as an attack on any specific person, but a discourse on the issues brought up. Think of this as a open letter to the ideas discussed in the above quote and is in no way specifically directed at the author of said quote.
Okay, let's use that same logic realistically. If a thread is created about someone being excited about a subject, let them be excited. I'm pretty sure that you could create a separate thread if you wanted to bash the subject. There is also something called "constructive" criticism. A lot of the negative comments are decidedly non-constructive and usually on something that hasn't even been seen yet. If you want to crap on something, there is nothing to stop you from creating a thread that is about the negative side of something. So if you want to apply logic, then create a thread where you can discuss the negatives and leave the thread where people are trying to discuss the positive and neutral alone. Or, if you are going to say you don't like something, say it and move on, you don't need to bash people over the head with negative comments for people to understand that you don't like something.
To even extend logic further, the very nature of being free to bash something because you feel the freedom of that speech is fair means that responses that your comments are not welcome or enjoyed are also part of that same freedom to say what's on one's mind. If someone has the right to say something I like sucks with out fear of censorship, I have the right to say that they are tasteless idiots without fear of censorship, but see how that quickly because a slippery slope? Just because we have the ability to speak freely doesn't always mean that we should. It also doesn't mean that our opinions will be protected as we bash the enjoyments of others.
Also, I don't know where you've been for the last few years, but from what I've seen, the default of this community has been to promote the positive aspects of things. This is why the whole Apple thing and the George Lucas issues were always hot button issues here. They were the exceptions to the civility that was going on. Even when people didn't agree with something, it was through well reasoned or well explained reasons as to why they didn't agree with said subject. It was never "I think this sucks and I'm entitled to my opinion because you get to post yours." Or they just shut the hell up and didn't comment on something that might generate backlash to their opinions.
And, yes, I am saying your opinion is crap if all it consists of if a few bashing words and little substance or reasoning. If I wanted it hear unabashed hatred of a subject with no substance to the dislike, I could step outside and listen to teenagers talk. I think that the problem is that too many people today actually think that people want to hear their every thought and idea, most don't. Most people also take offense when you piss on something that they like just because you think you have a right to piss on it.
If something is about promoting something that someone might enjoy, why not let them? I mean do you really think that someone that is looking forward to something is going to change their minds just because you decide to bash it? Do we really think that our individual opinions carry that much weight as to change the views of someone? It's not like you are adding to the conversation one single bit when you bash something without reason. Your opinion isn't going to change and it's not like someone is suddenly going to have an Ah HAH moment and bow down to another's opinion.
If equal voice to bash something is really want you think is fair, then what is preventing you from creating a bashing thread where the negativity can be freely expressed without people that don't feel like reading that crap doesn't have to?
I mean if you're really dying to say something negative why not say it with a little respect to the intent of the thread?
New show comes out:
Way to create discussion - "I'm just not enjoying this. I might give it another chance, but it isn't grabbing me. Here's why..."
Way to piss people off and make them think they need to defend their opinions- "That was horrible! I don't know what you are looking at because that sucked and I'm not watching it."
Hell just look at the entirity of this thread and you'll see people discussing a show that has divided people, but rather than spewing unfiltered hate and disgust, people are talking about why they like or don't like some of the aspects. I fully support discussion but I'm really tired of negative for the sake of negative and then having the audacity to think it's okay because other people are trying to be positive. It's not okay. I don't care if it's not fair. Fair is taking the bashing to another thread where you can bash away without others coming in for what they might see as a mini or even detailed review of a person's opinions of a subject and why.
If someone does feel that their opinions don't seem to have weight here, perhaps it's because they don't. Saying something sucks really isn't that weighty a comment. If they want to take the time and give their feeling weight by explaining how they feel, then I'm pretty sure those comments will be seen as more weighty.
If you know people are enjoying something and the positive discussion about it, why do you feel it's your right to piss on it? Why not just let them talk or if it is killing you to need to have your opinion heard, why not just say. "I didn't like it." and then move on to a subject that you do like?
And just for the record, this isn't a place where all views are accepted. There are a whole lot of negative views out there on a lot of things, people, and groups that have zero place on this board. So that would pretty much confirm that all views are not accepted. Perhaps all positive, most neutral, and some negative views are accepted might be a better way of thinking about this.
I for one think that the only reason that this board has existed for so long without rampant flame wars is because most people that come here attempt to check their baggage at the door and meet on friendly grounds. You have so many other sites on the interwebs to bash the hell out of any and everything. Why do we need to do that to one of the few islands of calm in an ocean of BS?
I appreciate what you are saying, Chris, but i have always looked at any thread as nothing more then a conversation that can take off in many different directions. In general, I am ok with that, I never felt compelled to put prohibitions against going off topic or posting any related thoughts, no matter how brief. Threads can be like Thunderdome. :)
Chris, you are so far from right about me that right isn't even a pinpoint of light to you. It's very obvious that YOU haven't read through this entire thread. I HAVE, MANY times discussed the REASONS why I am disappointed with Terra Nova, but it seems you don't care to see that. My statement was simply to point out that it seems that only fluffy I love this or love that opinions are desired here. And THAT is nonsense. I've NEVER bashed ANYTHING or pissed on ANYTHING for the sake of being negative...EVER. And wow Chris...this is a place where only positive opinions are allowed? Whitewashing is what you mean, right? That's not what I signed up for here. I thought every voice had a place to be heard on this forum but if that's wrong, I'm in the wrong place and think it's time for me to delete my account here. I DON'T want to be part of a community that disallows all opinions...good or bad. NOTHING I've said was an unabashed attack on anything ever. I've always supported my claim with MY facts on the subject. YOU want to censor voices here, then this is NOT a place for me. And you're wrong: the reason this forum has lasted is BECAUSE we've been allowed to voice our dislike for things without people like you screaming that those opinions are "crap" and unwelcomed. Thanks for that by the way. For telling me that your opinions are worth more than mine. Very nice of you dude. By allowing people to voice their own opinions, then respectfully rebutting them, with fact or humor, defuses volatile situations. But, as you so often like to resolve matters, all too often anymore it's "shut the hell up and don't dislike what I like. Your opnion doesn't' matter"...So, I'll take your direction and leave this forum and seek out one more accepting of debates. And for the record, I HAVE been one of those who are a positive influence on this board, and YOU of all people who has quite the past of being the one doing the pissing, has NO room to talk. So, Merry Christmas to all and to all...good bye! :)And by the way, Bryan, amen to your last post brother. YOU'RE interaction is great! YOU'RE attitude toward the message forum is spot on. Keep on trucking brother Bryan!! :)
Let me try to be clear about this....
I have no problem with people giving their "informed opinions" about something. By that I mean I do feel it's important to actually have watched something (a movie, tv show, etc.) in order to give real comments on it. Now, here's where it gets bit tricky or sticky. My "suggestion" was that I really personally don't see why anyone with the busy lives we all have would bother to continue to comment on a subject that they don't watch. For those of us still watching a particular show or the next movie in a series, we probably want to talk about it. We want to talk about the latest episode, etc.
So, please don't think negative comments are not allowed by any means. But, continuing to say the same negative thing over and over does seem a bit redundant and unnecessary. Also, keep in mind you most likely will get shot down by at least someone who thinks whatever you didn't like is great to them. I just hope no one takes any of this personally. I respect the opinions of all of you. We just all have slightly different tastes in things. And that's what makes life interesting.
Al's not going anywhere. I'll post a big, juicy, meatball of a thread he won't be able to resist and suck him back in. :)
By the way, Harry Potter? Totally overrated. :eekout
Quote from: QuadShot on December 20, 2011, 08:22:48 AM
Chris, you are so far from right about me that right isn't even a pinpoint of light to you. It's very obvious that YOU haven't read through this entire thread. I HAVE, MANY times discussed the REASONS why I am disappointed with Terra Nova, but it seems you don't care to see that. My statement was simply to point out that it seems that only fluffy I love this or love that opinions are desired here. And THAT is nonsense. I've NEVER bashed ANYTHING or pissed on ANYTHING for the sake of being negative...EVER. And wow Chris...this is a place where only positive opinions are allowed? Whitewashing is what you mean, right? That's not what I signed up for here. I thought every voice had a place to be heard on this forum but if that's wrong, I'm in the wrong place and think it's time for me to delete my account here. I DON'T want to be part of a community that disallows all opinions...good or bad. NOTHING I've said was an unabashed attack on anything ever. I've always supported my claim with MY facts on the subject. YOU want to censor voices here, then this is NOT a place for me. And you're wrong: the reason this forum has lasted is BECAUSE we've been allowed to voice our dislike for things without people like you screaming that those opinions are "crap" and unwelcomed. Thanks for that by the way. For telling me that your opinions are worth more than mine. Very nice of you dude. By allowing people to voice their own opinions, then respectfully rebutting them, with fact or humor, defuses volatile situations. But, as you so often like to resolve matters, all too often anymore it's "shut the hell up and don't dislike what I like. Your opnion doesn't' matter"...So, I'll take your direction and leave this forum and seek out one more accepting of debates. And for the record, I HAVE been one of those who are a positive influence on this board, and YOU of all people who has quite the past of being the one doing the pissing, has NO room to talk. So, Merry Christmas to all and to all...good bye! :)And by the way, Bryan, amen to your last post brother. YOU'RE interaction is great! YOU'RE attitude toward the message forum is spot on. Keep on trucking brother Bryan!! :)
Part of me would almost be sad if this wasn't so ironic. None of that was directed at you, but like I explained in that post, people feel the need to defend their opinion when they think they are being attacked. It's good to see that I'm right on the money on that one.
I'll try this one more time:
Al, what I wrote was NOT about you at all or anything that you have done. It was to address the points that you made with my own opinions.
Bryan, I agree with everything you said. We both have different ideas on what the board means and I appreciate your view on it. I also think it means you're much nicer than I ever thought because I'm constantly watching what I say due to trying to respect how I see the board. You aren't doing that and your comments work well within how I have seen the boards.
Rico, sorry to cause issues on the board so soon to Christmas. Part of me knew that, even with the disclaimer, my opinions might be seen as an attack and I posted them anyway. I should have found a better way to word it.
Quote from: Rico on December 20, 2011, 08:36:44 AM
Let me try to be clear about this....
I have no problem with people giving their "informed opinions" about something. By that I mean I do feel it's important to actually have watched something (a movie, tv show, etc.) in order to give real comments on it. Now, here's where it gets bit tricky or sticky. My "suggestion" was that I really personally don't see why anyone with the busy lives we all have would bother to continue to comment on a subject that they don't watch. For those of us still watching a particular show or the next movie in a series, we probably want to talk about it. We want to talk about the latest episode, etc.
So, please don't think negative comments are not allowed by any means. But, continuing to say the same negative thing over and over does seem a bit redundant and unnecessary. Also, keep in mind you most likely will get shot down by at least someone who thinks whatever you didn't like is great to them. I just hope no one takes any of this personally. I respect the opinions of all of you. We just all have slightly different tastes in things. And that's what makes life interesting.
I rarely, if ever, comment in a bad way on things I've not seen or read, etc. And I LOVE the fact that if I have something negative to say about something others like that I'll get shot down and rebutted (love that word! :) ). And despite what some have accused, opinions CAN and DO change. For example, Terra Nova. After the first episode I was ready to drop it from the DVR. Based on what you guys discussed I decided to give it another shot, and then another, and another. And found myself not disliking it so much. So, yes, it CAN be constructive to voice negative views. That's what (geeky) adults do...at least in my world...:) Peace! Oh, and FART! :) :)
Understood Al.
I urge folks to switch this type of discussion to the recent forum rumblings thread I just put up.
Let's move this one back to Terra Nova please.
Can someone please tell me when this colossal, steaming, pile of crap will be on again for me to poop on!!!! :)
Fox has said they will decide on whether it will get a season two sometime in 2012. There's talk it may have to move from Australia to keep costs down. Won't it be expensive to move all those big dinosaurs? ;)
OK the finale.
I've got to say this show is a guilty pleasure. There are SO many things wrong with it but I love the premise so I kept watching in the vain hope things would improve. Things did steadily improve but this finale stands out really oddly in comparison to the rest of the season. End not necessarily in a good way :)
[spoiler]They really amped up the violence! Even dinosaurs get killed! ;)
I enjoyed the direction they have taken it in the finale. It did feel a little tacked on and like we skipped a few episodes though. I guess this because they wanted to leave it in a strong position for the possibility of a season 2 and with only 12 episodes to get there (and a few fillers ones in there) they had to pace it up at the end.
I don't know, the writing, dialogue and acting is still pretty poor IMHO, a sat here watching it and predicting what was going to happen on more than one occassion. Plenty of cliches plot devices used etc but the overall story was exciting and interesting.
I did cringe a few times.
The Badlands.
How many times did they mention the Badlands? Nothing there in the Badlands is there? Lol
"The Badlands? There's nothing there, why do you want me to go there?"
"Just go there and have a look"
So they go there without any clue and they find something! So if they knew there was nothing in the Badlands one would assume somebody had already been there and looked around to be able to make that statement. How did they miss it the first time? A little bit of a contrived plot device I think.
The old "forgive me" trick. Saw in coming a mile off.
Bad guy conveniently forgets a T-Rex is roaming around just long enough to get eaten while pointing his gun at the hero. Sigh...
I could go on....
I really hope they get a season 2. It would be a great opportunity to revamp the show and learning from the mistakes made in season 1. I've always said it has a lot of potential. They need better writers, I think it's as simple as that.[/spoiler]
Yeah, there were certainly some cliche moments in the 2 hour finale. But it was still a lot more interesting and exciting to watch than many of the other episodes. I do hope it returns, at least to answer some of the new questions that came up.
Quote from: Dangelus on December 21, 2011, 06:29:02 AM
OK the finale.
I've got to say this show is a guilty pleasure. There are SO many things wrong with it but I love the premise so I kept watching in the vain hope things would improve. Things did steadily improve but this finale stands out really oddly in comparison to the rest of the season. End not necessarily in a good way :)
[spoiler]They really amped up the violence! Even dinosaurs get killed! ;)
I enjoyed the direction they have taken it in the finale. It did feel a little tacked on and like we skipped a few episodes though. I guess this because they wanted to leave it in a strong position for the possibility of a season 2 and with only 12 episodes to get there (and a few fillers ones in there) they had to pace it up at the end.
I don't know, the writing, dialogue and acting is still pretty poor IMHO, a sat here watching it and predicting what was going to happen on more than one occassion. Plenty of cliches plot devices used etc but the overall story was exciting and interesting.
I did cringe a few times.
The Badlands.
How many times did they mention the Badlands? Nothing there in the Badlands is there? Lol
"The Badlands? There's nothing there, why do you want me to go there?"
"Just go there and have a look"
So they go there without any clue and they find something! So if they knew there was nothing in the Badlands one would assume somebody had already been there and looked around to be able to make that statement. How did they miss it the first time? A little bit of a contrived plot device I think.
The old "forgive me" trick. Saw in coming a mile off.
Bad guy conveniently forgets a T-Rex is roaming around just long enough to get eaten while pointing his gun at the hero. Sigh...
I could go on....
I really hope they get a season 2. It would be a great opportunity to revamp the show and learning from the mistakes made in season 1. I've always said it has a lot of potential. They need better writers, I think it's as simple as that.[/spoiler]
You've just managed to list everything about the finale that I liked!! :)
Quote from: Rico on December 21, 2011, 08:34:23 AM
Yeah, there were certainly some cliche moments in the 2 hour finale. But it was still a lot more interesting and exciting to watch than many of the other episodes. I do hope it returns, at least to answer some of the new questions that came up.
Yeah, I am actually feeling bummed out that it might not come back. I'm kinda attached to the characters in a weird way.
I'm still attached to it, although I guess I've got three hours to watch before the end of the series and a final conclusion. I'd have liked to see more dinosaur interactions, but a 'monster of the week' show isn't what I'm looking for here so that's not too big a deal.
The fact that I've had an episode on the DVR since Monday and haven't watched it yet does say something about my enthusiasm for the show, but I think it would be a shame not to see how the story develops.
As I said I hope it comes back and improved.
If it doesn't improve it may be a great candidate for some sort of writing cliche drinking game! :)
Thought it was a pretty solid ending. Many things went the way they needed to as always. But every show, especially genre shows I would say, have cliches, Star Trek, sitcoms like Big Bang and 2.5 men, even the vaunted immortal greatest show ever Firefly dips into the cliche pool. We hate them, but we love them. You need your cliche's so when a show does something different it's all the more impressive. I think Terra Nova was a B- show. Enjoyable, good characters, not groundbreaking with a few weak storylines in there. You just hope next season slowly ramps up and doesn't slowly begin to circle the drain.
The ending was pretty good in the end. The mid-season was a little hit and miss but I watched the last three episodes across two nights and was pretty well sucked into the story (despite a couple of wobbly moments...).
I want to see where they're going to take it (and hope we get to).
Just watched "Proof" last night on HULUplus and enjoyed it. I really liked the shots of the dinos at the beginning of the episode. Looking foward to the rest of the sesaon and I do hope it comes back next year.
I just heard that Fox canceled Terra Nova, but it may move to a different network.
http://www.tvline.com/2012/03/terra-nova-cancelled-fox/ (http://www.tvline.com/2012/03/terra-nova-cancelled-fox/)
ugh
Fox cancels everything. I heard they had the rights to the end of the world on 12/21/12, but decided to just cancel it... :)
It was as if tens of voices cried out in anguish and then was suddenly silenced...
King
:P :P :P
Well, I enjoyed it. Too bad.
Pretty much expected. Just when it was getting more interesting too.
Yes, it took a while to get going but once I got into it I was one of the few who seemed to enjoy it. At least it got a full season and managed to close down some of the story threads (while opening some other really huge ones!).
I kind of thought that it was going to get cancelled. Oh well. That's what they do at Fox.
I'd actually say Fox gave this show a decent chance (for them), at the end of the day it just isn't a very compelling series (in my opinion at least).
Quote from: QuadShot on March 05, 2012, 09:01:34 PM
Fox cancels everything. I heard they had the rights to the end of the world on 12/21/12, but decided to just cancel it... :)
:lol2
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on March 05, 2012, 09:05:42 PM
It was as if tens of voices cried out in anguish and then was suddenly silenced...
King
:P :P :P
Wow, actually a GOOD one Tim! :)
Just to be clear, this is probably the highest rated series that will be canceled this season. It averaged 10 million viewers per episode (a number most networks and shows would love to have). While I feel the show got off to a rocky start, I think it greatly improved and found focus. Who knows - maybe another network will actually pick it up.
But still, Tim got off a good one! :) Finally!! :)
Quote from: Rico on March 06, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
Just to be clear, this is probably the highest rated series that will be canceled this season. It averaged 10 million viewers per episode (a number most networks and shows would love to have). While I feel the show got off to a rocky start, I think it greatly improved and found focus. Who knows - maybe another network will actually pick it up.
So....that raises the question of why it wasn't good enough for renewal. If it was getting so many views per episode, why did it still get cancelled? Does that mean its just the whims of Fox? I may not like Terra Nova, but if that many views isn't enough, what is?
And @Al, yeah, I can do a good one once in a while hehe.
King
Sorry to hear that it got canceled, like others noted it really picked up as the season went along, and the season finale left with some really interesting questions and places to go for a second season. I would be surprised if anyone else picked it up given how expensive it is, but guess there is always a chance. Not sure if this also means curtains for Fringe and Alcatraz, or if it improves their odds at renewal.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on March 06, 2012, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 06, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
Just to be clear, this is probably the highest rated series that will be canceled this season. It averaged 10 million viewers per episode (a number most networks and shows would love to have). While I feel the show got off to a rocky start, I think it greatly improved and found focus. Who knows - maybe another network will actually pick it up.
So....that raises the question of why it wasn't good enough for renewal. If it was getting so many views per episode, why did it still get cancelled? Does that mean its just the whims of Fox? I may not like Terra Nova, but if that many views isn't enough, what is?
And @Al, yeah, I can do a good one once in a while hehe.
King
One of the comments in some of the articles is that "the powers that be" at Fox were not really behind the series. Much of the time keeping a series on air isn't just about the ratings. I can think of several lower rated series that did manage to survive cancellation because the networks liked them. "30 Rock" is a good example. I like the show a lot, but the ratings have never been great but NBC suits like the show. In the end it isn't ever just about ratings.
Quote from: Rico on March 06, 2012, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on March 06, 2012, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 06, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
Just to be clear, this is probably the highest rated series that will be canceled this season. It averaged 10 million viewers per episode (a number most networks and shows would love to have). While I feel the show got off to a rocky start, I think it greatly improved and found focus. Who knows - maybe another network will actually pick it up.
So....that raises the question of why it wasn't good enough for renewal. If it was getting so many views per episode, why did it still get cancelled? Does that mean its just the whims of Fox? I may not like Terra Nova, but if that many views isn't enough, what is?
And @Al, yeah, I can do a good one once in a while hehe.
King
One of the comments in some of the articles is that "the powers that be" at Fox were not really behind the series. Much of the time keeping a series on air isn't just about the ratings. I can think of several lower rated series that did manage to survive cancellation because the networks liked them. "30 Rock" is a good example. I like the show a lot, but the ratings have never been great but NBC suits like the show. In the end it isn't ever just about ratings.
But...they're into the business of making money and they take a show off the air that is apparently making money. This....makes absolutely no sense to me. I get that it didn't have support of the powers that be, but your making $$. Granted, if they have something they think will do better, then that makes some sense. This, just doesn't.
Its why I'm glad I'm getting out of new TV shows altogether. After Fringe is done/cancelled, Netflix all the way.
King
It's hard to say how much money it was making - if at all. A new series is very expensive to start up and produce. One of the reasons I always find it crazy when shows get canned after just a few episodes. But at least this series got one shortened season.
I don't know how anyone can really judge episode by episode what makes money and what doesn't. With a new show you've got all the setup costs and initial sets to cover that ou can then reuse later on so almost by definition you should lose money on a first run series.
I fuss it's all a matter of degree. Somewhere, someone has a figure in their head of how much is 'enough' to be made by a series and if that falls short then we all wave bye-bye.
Yeah, it's weird. But I would guess that the budget also has to do with where they are shooting (Australia I think) costs incurred for travel to and there, effects (even though they seemed to limit dinos ALOT). I think it also comed sown to the fact that no one at a network can seem to get behind a sci-fi show. Maybe if the dinosaurs had fairy wings. Fairy tales are in vogue now, anyway.
It looks like Netflix is interested in the show. That would be cool!
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/terra-nova-studio-talks-netflix-steven-spielberg-produced-sci-fi-drama-alive-article-1.1035370 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/terra-nova-studio-talks-netflix-steven-spielberg-produced-sci-fi-drama-alive-article-1.1035370)
That would definitely be good for Netflix to pick up.
King
Interesting although I can't really see the motivation for Netflix. If it was a hit show with great ratings then they might pick up a few extra subsribers. Although if it was a hit Fox wouldn't have dropped it...
Also I'm guessing the type of people into a show like this probably already use Netflix... Maybe they're just being nice to the fans?
Quote from: Dangelus on March 08, 2012, 11:17:40 AM
Interesting although I can't really see the motivation for Netflix. If it was a hit show with great ratings then they might pick up a few extra subsribers. Although if it was a hit Fox wouldn't have dropped it...
Also I'm guessing the type of people into a show like this probably already use Netflix... Maybe they're just being nice to the fans?
10 million viewers is alot of people though and teh chances they all have Netflix is slim, and a subscription-based system like Netflix ALWAYS wants new subscribers...If they have enough good original programming that gets people talking their subscription base would increase. Not to mention people who canceled their service after the price hike. I think it's the right move for them. There's an orginal show on there called "Lilyhammer" starring Steven VanZandt from the Soranos...he plays a mobster who goes into hiding in Norway. It's very well done. I am very excited by original shows no longer coming from tradition TV.
Do you really think they could afford it? Something that must be pretty CG heavy still costs real money even if it's vastly cheaper than it used to be. Can a subscription service really fund it?
Quote from: Feathers on March 08, 2012, 01:51:38 PM
Do you really think they could afford it? Something that must be pretty CG heavy still costs real money even if it's vastly cheaper than it used to be. Can a subscription service really fund it?
Well, they PROFITED 40.7 million in Q4 of 2011, so they'd have to be willing to give up a substantial amount of their profit for original programming with any sort of budget. It's a risky venture for sure.
These sort of shows cost over a million per episode though don't they?
And LillyHammer was licensed by Netflix exclusively, they didn't pay to produce it did they?
Netflix makes money but they don't have tv studio sort of money...
Quote from: Dangelus on March 08, 2012, 04:38:38 PM
These sort of shows cost over a million per episode though don't they?
And LillyHammer was licensed by Netflix exclusively, they didn't pay to produce it did they?
Netflix makes money but they don't have tv studio sort of money...
That's true, it was produced before they bought it, so they didn't carry those costs.
I hope somebody picks this up. I was really enjoying it.