In a big whoops, a judge just told the FBI that the Megaupload may never see the inside of a court room because the FBI didn't do the proper procedures. Also, the High Court of New Zealand said that the court order used to seize Megaupload and its property was null and void.
Way to make us look good guys, by completely overstepping our authority and jurisdiction just to bring these guys down. Surely this won't make us look corrupt or anything ::).
http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-trial-may-never-happen-judge-says-120420/ (http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-trial-may-never-happen-judge-says-120420/)
King
It doesn't matter, they effectively killed it under the disguise of due process. Mega could counter sue for damages, but would have to prove then that none of their customers were pirating because you can't claim lost revenue from turning a blind eye to theft. So, even if it doesn't go to trial, the gov won. Megaupload is no more.
Quote from: X on April 21, 2012, 05:05:42 PM
It doesn't matter, they effectively killed it under the disguise of due process. Mega could counter sue for damages, but would have to prove then that none of their customers were pirating because you can't claim lost revenue from turning a blind eye to theft. So, even if it doesn't go to trial, the gov won. Megaupload is no more.
Hmph. And in its place is 100 copies. I'm not exactly sure what the government won.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on April 21, 2012, 06:14:39 PM
Quote from: X on April 21, 2012, 05:05:42 PM
It doesn't matter, they effectively killed it under the disguise of due process. Mega could counter sue for damages, but would have to prove then that none of their customers were pirating because you can't claim lost revenue from turning a blind eye to theft. So, even if it doesn't go to trial, the gov won. Megaupload is no more.
They killed a company without even having to have an actual trial. Just the indictment destroyed the company and it's probably something they can easily do to all of those clones of it.
Hmph. And in its place is 100 copies. I'm not exactly sure what the government won.
King
What worries me, is whether the government will do the same thing to YouTube, Dropbox, iCloud, Gmail, Wordpress, or any other file-sharing website simply because it has the potential of sharing content illegally. What happened to Megaupload seems to suggest they will since even our own government won't follow its own or other countries laws to do what it feels is right. Rules be darned and all that.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on April 22, 2012, 06:58:40 PM
What worries me, is whether the government will do the same thing to YouTube, Dropbox, iCloud, Gmail, Wordpress, or any other file-sharing website simply because it has the potential of sharing content illegally. What happened to Megaupload seems to suggest they will since even our own government won't follow its own or other countries laws to do what it feels is right. Rules be darned and all that.
King
Dude, really? C'mon. What was the purpose behind the "company" Megaupload? It's INTENT was to aid in the piracy of stuff. Big difference between that bozo "company" and iCloud, or YouTube. You're kind of doing the crazy conspiracy theory thing now.
x2, Al. Serioulsy.
I thought Megaupload was a do-it-yourself file storage/server vendor? I disagree that the purpose of the site was to aid and abet piracy.
If a property owner is renting out ther space and the renter commits a crime, is the property owner criminally responsible as well as the perpetrator? That's the question that would be answered at trial. Unfortunately it lookis like the question will now not be answered because of the crazy way US authorities went about their arrest of the owner and seizure of his company.
Whatever the "intent" of Megaupload was, I find this whole thing fascinating. It was pretty obvious that the Feds were standing on pretty shaky ground with this but they got the desired effect - in that many file sharing sites shut down on their own. I guess when the US government comes knocking people get scared - even if they live in other countries. :)
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 07:26:35 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on April 22, 2012, 06:58:40 PM
What worries me, is whether the government will do the same thing to YouTube, Dropbox, iCloud, Gmail, Wordpress, or any other file-sharing website simply because it has the potential of sharing content illegally. What happened to Megaupload seems to suggest they will since even our own government won't follow its own or other countries laws to do what it feels is right. Rules be darned and all that.
King
Dude, really? C'mon. What was the purpose behind the "company" Megaupload? It's INTENT was to aid in the piracy of stuff. Big difference between that bozo "company" and iCloud, or YouTube. You're kind of doing the crazy conspiracy theory thing now.
I am not blind to what Megaupload's uses were and that there is a high possibility it was ignoring or even encouraging piracy in some form or fashion. The point I'm trying to raise is that no matter how we look at this, the Feds ignored our laws to get their way. Just because the company was a shady one doesn't make it any less wrong. And that is what concerns me. And it could happen again, with one of our legitimate services, if we allow the Feds to just simply get away with it.
Megaupload was a file sharing/storage locker service. Dropbox is a file sharing/storage locker service. Technically, they are both the same its just different how each of them do so. Whether Megaupload was intentionally encouraging piracy is up in the air and until they are declared guilty of that fact, well, it stands thus.
King
Tim wake the flip up dude. You think THIS stuff is NEW? This "black-op" behind the curtain stuff has been going on LONG before you were even thought of. Some of the stuff that goes on "shady" is the stuff that keeps you safe and allows you the opportunity to complain about government. The stuff that happens to behind the scenes to ensure your safety would make you crap yourself if you ever knew about it.
So, you think that this jackass megaupload company is some sort of new "infringement of civil rights" and you're very ability to stream movies and TV shows you "found" is in jeopardy, but guess what? This has been going on for a LONG time. I don't care who says WHAT, this guy KNEW what his "services" were being used for and if not, so what? If HE was in CHARGE, it's his DUTY to know what the flip is going on, PERIOD. If I owned a book store and 'someone' was using my back room to sell drugs, no court in the universe would find me innocent. My store, my responsibility. You telling me if you ran a business you wouldn't know what was going on with it? Especially in an industry under such scrutiny? Sorry, but "watch out for big brother" isn't going to excuse this one. He's guilty. He aided AND abetted, and most likely even encouraged ILLEAGLE file sharing. PERIOD.
Calm everyone, remain calm :)
WHAT DO YOU MEAN CALM DOWN!!#$@#$r!@#$% I AM CALM #$#$$%##$##@#$@$%^#$%#$ :)
hehe, exactly!
No hard feelings here...much...anyway! :)
The US Government did a very clever thing. They were on shaky ground in getting a prosecution but it doesn't matter. Megaupload is gone regardless.
I don't think they'd go after more respectable file sharing companies but megaupload didn't exactly hide away that they turned a blind eye to piracy.
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 10:19:47 AM
WHAT DO YOU MEAN CALM DOWN!!#$@#$r!@#$% I AM CALM #$#$$%##$##@#$@$%^#$%#$ :)
I am perfectly calm ;).
As far as what he knew, well, that depends on their terms of service/privacy policy. Dropbox, for an example, is not supposed to see what your doing with your data. Unless requested by the government or you give permission. I believe that's how it goes and if Mega was anything similar, then that's probably how it worked. So yes, its quite possible he had no clue. Or its quite possible he had every clue, they would have to prove that in court. And yes, I have seen plenty of CEOs not know what their users, heck workers, are doing. I could pull plenty of examples proving my point on this. CEOs are one man, one man is not omniscient.
Let's also keep in mind, I have never used Megaupload. The accusation that the government has killed my streaming of TV/Movies is inaccurate considering I use Netflix, not Megaupload. Them getting shut down hasn't affected me in anyway. So I'm not lamenting over their loss. This is all a debate to me.
And btw, I'm pretty sure Megaupload was never a risk for the safety and security of the United States. Yes, I am quite aware that we pull plenty of black ops that would make me throw up. That doesn't make it any less wrong regardless.
King
Tim, I never said you used Mega-stupid-idiot. I paraphrased what YOU yourself have mentioned in the past - you've obtained files in the past that were unavailable to you via conventional means...As far as the apartment complex defense...not sure it's the same at all.
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
Tim, I never said you used Mega-stupid-idiot. I paraphrased what YOU yourself have mentioned in the past - you've obtained files in the past that were unavailable to you via conventional means...As far as the apartment complex defense...not sure it's the same at all.
I threw it out, the complex defense. Sounded stupid in my head when I read it back to myself.
As far as what I've said in the past, well, it wouldn't bother me if those sources died today and its not the reason I'm being an annoying pain in the butt in this thread either. ;)
King
That was a Five Star level rant, Al, well done! :cheering
Quote from: Bryancd on April 23, 2012, 11:45:30 AM
That was a Five Star level rant, Al, well done! :cheering
I'd say it was a 5-alarm rant :)
Quote from: billybob476 on April 23, 2012, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on April 23, 2012, 11:45:30 AM
That was a Five Star level rant, Al, well done! :cheering
I'd say it was a 5-alarm rant :)
It had both passion and a charged sociopolitical message. Graduate classes will be analyzing the all the less then subtle contexts and hidden meanings for years to come! :biggrin
5 Star (Alarm)? That's IT? I was going for at LEAST 7~! Crap, I'm WAY too out of practice. I need to get into a few more scuffles here!! :) Sociopolitical message...classic Bry! :)
No ill will intended Tim (well, almost none) :)
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 12:06:28 PM
5 Star (Alarm)? That's IT? I was going for at LEAST 7~! Crap, I'm WAY too out of practice. I need to get into a few more scuffles here!! :) Sociopolitical message...classic Bry! :)
No ill will intended Tim (well, almost none) :)
Well, you wouldn't want to mess with me Al ;). Then again, I don't want to mess with you. You have a dog. And you survive around scorpions. Clearly, not a person to mess with. :P
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on April 23, 2012, 12:08:50 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 12:06:28 PM
5 Star (Alarm)? That's IT? I was going for at LEAST 7~! Crap, I'm WAY too out of practice. I need to get into a few more scuffles here!! :) Sociopolitical message...classic Bry! :)
No ill will intended Tim (well, almost none) :)
Well, you wouldn't want to mess with me Al ;). Then again, I don't want to mess with you. You have a dog. And you survive around scorpions. Clearly, not a person to mess with. :P
King
Nay, the SCORPIONS survive ME...if they're lucky! With the HOT weather returning, so does the HUNT! :)
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
Tim, I never said you used Mega-stupid-idiot.
Rants are one thing Al but there's no need to call Tim names! ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on April 23, 2012, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
Tim, I never said you used Mega-stupid-idiot.
Rants are one thing Al but there's no need to call Tim names! ;)
HAAAAAAAAAAAA, nice!! :)
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on April 23, 2012, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
Tim, I never said you used Mega-stupid-idiot.
Rants are one thing Al but there's no need to call Tim names! ;)
HAAAAAAAAAAAA, nice!! :)
Yeah, I laughed too haha. :)
King
Honestly, I didn't even notice that until Dan pointed it out...oh, by the way, thanks for pointing that out Dan! :)
I assumed you were disparaging MegaUpload, not Tim.
I was...and I was bad mouthing them too! :)
Quote from: billybob476 on April 23, 2012, 12:26:27 PM
I assumed you were disparaging MegaUpload, not Tim.
Same here, it was bad grammar either way :P
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on April 23, 2012, 12:27:45 PM
Quote from: billybob476 on April 23, 2012, 12:26:27 PM
I assumed you were disparaging MegaUpload, not Tim.
Same here, it was bad grammar either way :P
King
What was that about my Grandma?? :)
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 10:02:28 AM
If I owned a book store and 'someone' was using my back room to sell drugs, no court in the universe would find me innocent. My store, my responsibility. You telling me if you ran a business you wouldn't know what was going on with it?
This is the question that requires a day in court. It's not true that no court in the universe would find you innocent if in fact you were innocent...it's entirely possible that an unscrupulous employee was operating their drug ring without your knowledge, and it would then be completely unfair for a government operated police force to shut down your bookstore and seize all your assets without a trial.
Quote from: Jobydrone on April 23, 2012, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on April 23, 2012, 10:02:28 AM
If I owned a book store and 'someone' was using my back room to sell drugs, no court in the universe would find me innocent. My store, my responsibility. You telling me if you ran a business you wouldn't know what was going on with it?
This is the question that requires a day in court. It's not true that no court in the universe would find you innocent if in fact you were innocent...it's entirely possible that an unscrupulous employee was operating their drug ring without your knowledge, and it would then be completely unfair for a government operated police force to shut down your bookstore and seize all your assets without a trial.
HA! It was a TRICK question joby!!! My bookstore would be in the Apple App store, therefore no brick and mortar location for the scallywag to solicit his (or her) illegal drugs!! Got you Mr. Monk!! :)
Double HA HA!!! The Apple App store would NEVER allow you to operate a bookstore within their own app and therefore your business model is FLAWED! Perhaps you're looking at all this the wrong way, and the best way for you to operate your bookstore would be to offer a free book with every bag of crack cocaine your dealers sell.
Quote from: Jobydrone on April 23, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
Double HA HA!!! The Apple App store would NEVER allow you to operate a bookstore within their own app and therefore your business model is FLAWED! Perhaps you're looking at all this the wrong way, and the best way for you to operate your bookstore would be to offer a free book with every bag of crack cocaine your dealers sell.
OOH, hey, now THAT's a savvy business model!! :)
Did somebody say Apple? ;)
Bryan, you remind me of Doug the dog from Up! Squirrel!:) My name is Doug. Just just met you and I love you!!