The truth about TV ratings, online viewing and sci-fi shows

[X]

As to what Rico said. I think PBS should become our verson of the BBC and we put more funding into it for better shows.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Its all subliminal. You may not think it but that ad will stay in your head and somewhere along the line you will buy it or want to buy  it or suggest or blog it.

If that's true, why don't I have a cabinet of viagra/anti-depression pills, beer, pizza and 2 cars outside?  

:P

King

Maybe because you don't watch TV?

I used to and we do have a TV and I do watch V so yes, I have to otherwise I miss that show.  And to answer your question that is some guy that makes Beer of some kind, I have no idea what because I can't remember.  

Almost makes me want to say Jack Daniels, but I'm probably wrong.

King

[Geekyfanboy]

Another thing that is broken is the ways shows are paid for.  With the internet and others forms of distribution we are getting closer and closer to public funded programming.  When "Enterprise" ended there was a fairly strong movement to get another season paid for by us - the fans.  The trouble is studios really don't want it to work this way.  It would cut out too many middle men.

I don't think will ever have "fan" funded tv series. I mean yes it can work for the web but it could never work for regular TV. I don't think you guys understand how much money it takes to create one TV episode.. 1 episode of a TV show that is not riddled with tons of SFX will cost a million or more and episode.. shows like V or No Ordinary Family that's heavy in effect can cost up to 5 million and episode.. I can't see "fans" funding this much money to produce a series.  Even this reality show I'm working on now.. the budget is $500,000 per episode to produce.. making TV costs lots of money.

[Geekyfanboy]

Its all subliminal. You may not think it but that ad will stay in your head and somewhere along the line you will buy it or want to buy  it or suggest or blog it.

If that's true, why don't I have a cabinet of viagra/anti-depression pills, beer, pizza and 2 cars outside? 

:P

King

Maybe because you don't watch TV?

I used to and we do have a TV and I do watch V so yes, I have to otherwise I miss that show.  And to answer your question that is some guy that makes Beer of some kind, I have no idea what because I can't remember. 

Almost makes me want to say Jack Daniels, but I'm probably wrong.

King

You got to remember that millions upon millions of people watch TV.. if the advertisers can reach just 20% of that audience than they have succeeded.

[Meds]

Sir Ranulph Fiennes, comes to mind when i read those words Chris.

[Rico]

I don't exactly agree Kenny.  With computer technology, costs in some cases have gone down.  "V" for example use a lot of green screen, same with the TV series, "Sanctuary."  Obviously a lot cheaper than building huge sets.  I think it could work and eventually will work on TV.

There's a little axiom to keep in mind.  People tend to fill the space around them that they have.  Also, people tend to spend the money that they have - same with TV shows.  The real reasons shows cost that amount is because they have that money coming in.  It's self-fulfilling.  The BBC seems to be able to turn out some quality stuff with public money.  Again, it's the system in place that has created this - not any real intrinsic reason.

[Bryancd]

Man, King, you don't get advertising at all. It's much less about compelling an impulse purchase when someone sees an ad. That's very rare. It is, as X's example point out, repetitive viewing and exposure to an ad creates an awareness of a product in the mind of a consumer. That's 90% of the battle. All they need now is for you to be walking through the store and see XX beer and you get that recall and maybe they get a purchase.

[Rico]

Put up your hand if an ad on TV has made you buy a product - ever.  ;)

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Man, King, you don't get advertising at all. It's much less about compelling an impulse purchase when someone sees an ad. That's very rare. It is, as X's example point out, repetitive viewing and exposure to an ad creates an awareness of a product in the mind of a consumer. That's 90% of the battle. All they need now is for you to be walking through the store and see XX beer and you get that recall and maybe they get a purchase.

Well, that's never really worked on me, that or I'm in denial about it. 

King

Apparently I don't. 

Man, King, you don't get advertising at all. It's much less about compelling an impulse purchase when someone sees an ad. That's very rare. It is, as X's example point out, repetitive viewing and exposure to an ad creates an awareness of a product in the mind of a consumer. That's 90% of the battle. All they need now is for you to be walking through the store and see XX beer and you get that recall and maybe they get a purchase.

[Geekyfanboy]

I don't exactly agree Kenny.  With computer technology, costs in some cases have gone down.  "V" for example use a lot of green screen, same with the TV series, "Sanctuary."  Obviously a lot cheaper than building huge sets.  I think it could work and eventually will work on TV.

Well I'm not going to argue with you Rico, I can only express my experience from working in the TV industry.

[Rico]

It's all cool Kenny.  I'm just saying another system is possible.  Do I really think it will happen here in the United States anytime soon - probably not.  But I certainly still think it's possible.

[Bryancd]

Well, that's never really worked on me, that or I'm in denial about it. 

The later is more likely than the former.

[Bryancd]

I don't exactly agree Kenny.  With computer technology, costs in some cases have gone down.  "V" for example use a lot of green screen, same with the TV series, "Sanctuary."  Obviously a lot cheaper than building huge sets.  I think it could work and eventually will work on TV.

Well I'm not going to argue with you Rico, I can only express my experience from working in the TV industry.

Yeah, I agree Kenny. The entertainment industry is one of this nations largest exports in terms of revenues. You can't even begin to compare the production and funding methods of such a massive organization to those of other countries. So much money is in motion, at stake, being made, and being committed it's staggering.

[X]

King, think about it this way. Have you read more about an apple product or seen more about it on TV? which one has convinced you that you might want to check it out?

Rico, I think that we are all missing things on premium tv here. They are pretty close to the BBC format. We pay a monthly licensing fee apart from cable and we get quality programming that is rarely if ever canceled before it's done.

I think that we can tell that the system is failing for advertising when they are paying for product placement more than ever. The only problem with that is that the network isn't making much on those deals. I think that make a pittance for allowing it, but look at what shows have failed and look at how long Knight Rider lasted for despite the numbers because they had an advertising partner.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

King, think about it this way. Have you read more about an apple product or seen more about it on TV? which one has convinced you that you might want to check it out?

Rico, I think that we are all missing things on premium tv here. They are pretty close to the BBC format. We pay a monthly licensing fee apart from cable and we get quality programming that is rarely if ever canceled before it's done.

I think that we can tell that the system is failing for advertising when they are paying for product placement more than ever. The only problem with that is that the network isn't making much on those deals. I think that make a pittance for allowing it, but look at what shows have failed and look at how long Knight Rider lasted for despite the numbers because they had an advertising partner.

I've read more about it, via RSS mostly and some via Twitter.  I was actually surprised to see an iPad commercial while watching V so I'd definitely say I've read more than watched a commercial about it. 

King