The future of console gaming

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http://kotaku.com/microsoft-to-sell-next-gen-games-for-60-price-of-gami-513489951

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Wow the arrogance in that post is a perfect example of what's hurting Microsoft the most this week.  Instead of listening to what people are saying, understanding what people are feeling, and considering changes that will give people what they utimately want, this guy is clinging desperately to his vision of the future and calling anyone who disagrees with that vision simpleminded drones?  Appalling.

On paper it's a nice idea to be able to go over to your friend's house and have access to all your games via your Xbox live account.  But in practice I'm not sure it works.  With current consoles, if you want to play a game at your friend's house, you bring the disc, pop it in their console and play.  With Microsoft's proposed model, you go over, log into your account, and start downloading a 10GB-45GB file (or more if those next gen games are much bigger, another thing that hasn't been discussed is the amount of data on these discs.) Two hours later, assuming yours and Microsofts download/upload speeds are pretty good, you can play.  They haven't said anything at all similar to Sony along the lines that you'll be able to play a game before it's completed downloading.

I also take issue with the statement

"Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4."

My PS3 uses Netflix way more than any other device in my home.  It has many of the video apps that the 360 has, a music service, a video library...It acts as a media center for music, video, and photos streamed over my network from my computer to my TV.  If he's talking about Kinect functionality here combined with Smartglass, well...both have been out for a while now and I haven't seen anything for either program that made me prefer the experience over traditional methods of control.  Maybe they have some great ideas for the future of Kinect but I haven't seen any sign of it yet. 

Honestly I sense fear here.  I have to wonder if they're suddenly terrified of being in a situation like the WiiU is right now, where very few people have bought the hardware so publishers aren't interested in spending millions of dollars to provide software for the platform...which essentially ends their game before it gets a change to even really begin.

Time will tell if this strategy works for Microsoft.  If I see identical AAA titles launching at $40 on XBone and $60 on PS4, as this guy suggests might "possibly" happen, then after my heart attack from shock I will definitely buy the XBone version, DRM or no.  I might even write Microsoft a letter of apology for doubting them.

They are listening to the people on this. I am 100% onboard for it. I totally like what he had to say and I respect his efforts.

I think you also missed the part released far earlier where you can start playing the game while it downloads.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-lets-you-play-immediately-during-installs-suspend-an/

I'm not seeing anything wrong with their model and I actually support it. Hell, it even confirmed what I theorized on this thread about lower costs because you don't have to bump up the price to make up from the losses on the used games side.

It's also funny because Sony is going to also have DRM, they are just leaving it to the publishers.

At the end of the day, I will always take Microsoft over the publisher.

Besides you, I have not heard of anyone actually support Microsoft's business model. Judging from Google+ and FB feeds of mine and such, people are avoiding it and going to the PS4. Or building a new PC. Either way, it's been a very resounding: NO from gamers.

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King, not to point out the obvious, but we all tend to surround ourselves with people with similar outlooks. Given your dislike for most things DRM, I'd expect your friends to share a similar if not the same view. My friends are all for the new Xbox and looks like the world isn't worried either.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/xbox-one-pre-orders-set-sales-record-blockbuster-56154.html

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/xbox-one-pre-order-stock-sold-out-at-certain-retailers

http://www.product-reviews.net/2013/05/30/xbox-one-vs-ps4-pre-orders-so-far-in-uk/


PS4 VS Xbox One PreOrders - -E3 News

I guess the people on yours lists are just the vocal minority. Hell, my kid works at Gamestop and they are almost sold out.

Your resounding NO from gamers is starting to sound more and more like some loud kid in the theater that only interrupting the movie for everyone else.

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Here is something you also missed in the hype ... Xbox One and PS4 have pretty much the same policies on DRM. On all Xbox first party titles, you can still freely sale the copy to an authorized retailer with no restrictions.

As for sony:

http://www.gamezone.com/news/2013/06/11/third-party-publishers-can-push-drm-on-the-ps4

Which is pretty much identical to the Xbox policy ... except you can give people discs with Sony and with MS, all my 10 closest friends and family need to do is log in and start playing a game I have.

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More sont DRM stuff:

http://gamerfront.net/2013/06/ps4-will-allow-used-game-drm-on-third-party-titles/28924

[Jobydrone]

Well as I said before it all remains to be seen.  Launch is still five or six months away and a lot of information is still being parceled out.  I think I understand the major differences here in the viewpoints being expressed about these new consoles.  I don't have three or four thousand dollars a year to spend on video games and consoles.  My wife and I both work full time in human services, not making a ton of money, ive got four kids, so our discretionary funds are extremely tight.  Game rentals and the used games market allows me to maximize the number of different experiences I can have with my hobby.  Restricting these is a direct assault on my personal ability to play as many games as I might be able to otherwise, and it makes me mad. 

[KingIsaacLinksr]

King, not to point out the obvious, but we all tend to surround ourselves with people with similar outlooks. Given your dislike for most things DRM, I'd expect your friends to share a similar if not the same view. My friends are all for the new Xbox and looks like the world isn't worried either.

Not to point out the obvious, but most people that are my friends do not share my views. Especially anyone on Facebook, they tend to not care when it comes to DRM issues or other really bad company policies. To say that I am a lone voice when it comes to my social media experience is an understatement. I have two friends that share my views. The rest do not. That gives me a pretty wide range of views from people I know. From casual to hardcore. I still stand by my statement that it's been a resounding no. As far as the pre-orders go, well, not entirely unsurprising. It's not like it's terrible technology and there are plenty of people who don't care. Which yes, that frustrates me just as much as the general opinion of Into Darkness frustrates me, but I try not to let it bother me.

I also think that most people don't realize the DRM and online implications that go with the Xbox One. Once they realize/have problems with the initial launch, (which they most likely will if past history is to repeat itself again), I expect the return rate to spike after launch. Just like it did with many games in the past including Diablo 3, SimCity 5 and more.

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I also think that most people don't realize the DRM and online implications that go with the Xbox One. Once they realize/have problems with the initial launch, (which they most likely will if past history is to repeat itself again), I expect the return rate to spike after launch. Just like it did with many games in the past including Diablo 3, SimCity 5 and more.

I think that most people don't care about DRM. If the game works, then they won't have a problem. If parents can get by with only having to buy one copy for multiple devices, they will see that as a win.

[Bryancd]

Which yes, that frustrates me just as much as the general opinion of Into Darkness frustrates me, but I try not to let it bother me.

It shouldn't frustrate you, sometimes it's best to just to acknowledge you're wrong and move on. :)

[ChrisMC]

Ha, yeah....It's a silly thing to get frustrated about, like getting ticked about critical reviews of Man Of Steel...oh, wait....

Woohoo, I just got word I got a Launch PS4 from Amazon and I'll have it on my doorstep on the day it's released. Now, to go preorder some games! I've made my choice, this IS a FUN endeavor, right guys?? So I guess the manhood measuring between system backers will continue until there is a "victor", but in the end, it's silly. I will most likely own an XBOX 1, and so will most of the people pissing and moaning about it.

If you guys are sports fans you must be RABID. I sure am. I hate the Cowboys with the passion of a thousand suns.

[Jobydrone]

Do you play fantasy football Chris?

[ChrisMC]

No, I don't. I really can't root against my own team in any way. If it's possible to play without that happening I guess I would. It seems like D & D for sports geeks.

[Jobydrone]

If you play fantasy football on nfl.com the Xbox has some cool integration with your players stats, live updates, recording clips of your players scores and stuff, pretty niche but neat.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Ha, yeah....It's a silly thing to get frustrated about, like getting ticked about critical reviews of Man Of Steel...oh, wait....

Woohoo, I just got word I got a Launch PS4 from Amazon and I'll have it on my doorstep on the day it's released. Now, to go preorder some games! I've made my choice, this IS a FUN endeavor, right guys?? So I guess the manhood measuring between system backers will continue until there is a "victor", but in the end, it's silly. I will most likely own an XBOX 1, and so will most of the people pissing and moaning about it.

If you guys are sports fans you must be RABID. I sure am. I hate the Cowboys with the passion of a thousand suns.

Not a sports fan and not a console gamer either. I don't have a stake in whichever way people decide to go with console gaming. If nothing else, it's about dang time that consoles caught up to PCs or at least tried. They now match a current low to medium-range PC gaming rig specs. PC gaming looks to be cheaper than console gaming now...especially when you add in the online services that are attached to consoles. But I digress.

I also think that most people don't realize the DRM and online implications that go with the Xbox One. Once they realize/have problems with the initial launch, (which they most likely will if past history is to repeat itself again), I expect the return rate to spike after launch. Just like it did with many games in the past including Diablo 3, SimCity 5 and more.

I think that most people don't care about DRM. If the game works, then they won't have a problem. If parents can get by with only having to buy one copy for multiple devices, they will see that as a win.

People will start caring about DRM when they suddenly find out that their internet isn't good enough to run the Xbox One and/or they don't have an internet connection to begin with. Or when MSFT's servers start crashing due to the strain of all the connections. Or when servers go offline for maintenance/repairs. As I said, I expect the return rates of the Xbox One to start spiking when it gets first released. It's happened before and it'll happen again unless Microsoft surprises me and nothing wrong happens on Week 1. Which hey, I'd like to be surprised in this case. Getting tired of predicting these launches. But I'm not going to hold my breath as we've seen the biggest companies in the gaming scene try and launch DRM-laden games and have nothing but server problems for weeks.

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Ha, yeah....It's a silly thing to get frustrated about, like getting ticked about critical reviews of Man Of Steel...oh, wait....

Woohoo, I just got word I got a Launch PS4 from Amazon and I'll have it on my doorstep on the day it's released. Now, to go preorder some games! I've made my choice, this IS a FUN endeavor, right guys?? So I guess the manhood measuring between system backers will continue until there is a "victor", but in the end, it's silly. I will most likely own an XBOX 1, and so will most of the people pissing and moaning about it.

If you guys are sports fans you must be RABID. I sure am. I hate the Cowboys with the passion of a thousand suns.

Not a sports fan and not a console gamer either. I don't have a stake in whichever way people decide to go with console gaming. If nothing else, it's about dang time that consoles caught up to PCs or at least tried. They now match a current low to medium-range PC gaming rig specs. PC gaming looks to be cheaper than console gaming now...especially when you add in the online services that are attached to consoles. But I digress.

I also think that most people don't realize the DRM and online implications that go with the Xbox One. Once they realize/have problems with the initial launch, (which they most likely will if past history is to repeat itself again), I expect the return rate to spike after launch. Just like it did with many games in the past including Diablo 3, SimCity 5 and more.

I think that most people don't care about DRM. If the game works, then they won't have a problem. If parents can get by with only having to buy one copy for multiple devices, they will see that as a win.

People will start caring about DRM when they suddenly find out that their internet isn't good enough to run the Xbox One and/or they don't have an internet connection to begin with. Or when MSFT's servers start crashing due to the strain of all the connections. Or when servers go offline for maintenance/repairs. As I said, I expect the return rates of the Xbox One to start spiking when it gets first released. It's happened before and it'll happen again unless Microsoft surprises me and nothing wrong happens on Week 1. Which hey, I'd like to be surprised in this case. Getting tired of predicting these launches. But I'm not going to hold my breath as we've seen the biggest companies in the gaming scene try and launch DRM-laden games and have nothing but server problems for weeks.

You do realize that the drm check takes a few second at best. If your connection can't connect for a few seconds every 24 hours, there is no reason that you should be paying for internet. By you, I mean the general you. This is not an always on DRM check. it's a few seconds and that's it.