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Title: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Rico on March 06, 2011, 03:42:22 PM
Yes, maybe time to start a thread about the latest crazy guy in the world of entertainment.  He's certainly been amusing to watch the last couple weeks.  Check out this awesome comic!

source:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/03/06/charlie-sheen-vs-galactus/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/03/06/charlie-sheen-vs-galactus/)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Dangelus on March 06, 2011, 03:54:38 PM
I missed the Charlie Sheen fiasco.

What did he actually say or do?
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 06, 2011, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on March 06, 2011, 03:54:38 PM
I missed the Charlie Sheen fiasco.

What did he actually say or do?
Media blitz on how his life is great and he's tired of pretending that he's not special.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on March 06, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
Charlie is an idiot egotist who is given way more attention than he deserves.  Don't need a thread to give him anymore attention.  Heck, this post of mine shouldn't exist either.  But it does.  *argh*

King
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: M-5 on March 06, 2011, 04:26:25 PM
Charlie Sheen made a right turn and is heading for Gary Buseyville.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: sheldor on March 06, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
He needs professional help
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 06, 2011, 04:35:57 PM
I think that he's pretty brilliant. Regardless of what people think, he's dominated the air. He's broken world records on tv and twitter. He is bi-winning at this point.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on March 06, 2011, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: X on March 06, 2011, 04:35:57 PM
I think that he's pretty brilliant. Regardless of what people think, he's dominated the air. He's broken world records on tv and twitter. He is bi-winning at this point.

I guess it goes to show that people like train wrecks.  He's something to stare at, admire and laugh at/with.  I'll grant you that he's brilliant, he now has more attention than he did on 2 and a half men and that's saying something. 

King
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 06, 2011, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: X on March 06, 2011, 04:35:57 PM
I think that he's pretty brilliant. Regardless of what people think, he's dominated the air. He's broken world records on tv and twitter. He is bi-winning at this point.

x2. Sober, he's WAAAAYY more interesting. The booze was keeping this brilliance at bay!

"I have tiger blood and Adonis DNA", I'm putting that sh@t on my bike for my next race!
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 06, 2011, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 06, 2011, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: X on March 06, 2011, 04:35:57 PM
I think that he's pretty brilliant. Regardless of what people think, he's dominated the air. He's broken world records on tv and twitter. He is bi-winning at this point.

x2. Sober, he's WAAAAYY more interesting. The booze was keeping this brilliance at bay!

"I have tiger blood and Adonis DNA", I'm putting that sh@t on my bike for my next race!
Well, you do, don't you Bryan?
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Rico on March 06, 2011, 05:09:46 PM
Even before all this, I never found him funny or entertaining.  I tried to watch "Two and a Half Men" and it did nothing for me.  So, I guess I have no real interest in it or if it returns.  As for Sheen, he certainly is getting the attention.  But he also appears to be very troubled and perhaps slightly off his rocker.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 06, 2011, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: X on March 06, 2011, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 06, 2011, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: X on March 06, 2011, 04:35:57 PM
I think that he's pretty brilliant. Regardless of what people think, he's dominated the air. He's broken world records on tv and twitter. He is bi-winning at this point.

x2. Sober, he's WAAAAYY more interesting. The booze was keeping this brilliance at bay!

"I have tiger blood and Adonis DNA", I'm putting that sh@t on my bike for my next race!
Well, you do, don't you Bryan?

:flying

Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 06, 2011, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: Rico on March 06, 2011, 05:09:46 PM
But he also appears to be very troubled and perhaps slightly off his rocker.

Off his rocker for sure, very troubled? I don't know yet. Clearly his rants are bizarre and wildly amusing, but I do think he is sober and this might be part of his 12 steps. Step 7...CRAZY TOWN, population Charlie. :)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 06, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 06, 2011, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: Rico on March 06, 2011, 05:09:46 PM
But he also appears to be very troubled and perhaps slightly off his rocker.

Off his rocker for sure, very troubled? I don't know yet. Clearly his rants are bizarre and wildly amusing, but I do think he is sober and this might be part of his 12 steps. Step 7...CRAZY TOWN, population Charlie. :)
I think it's brilliant stream of consciousness rambling. I also know that he's a good actor. Whatever the cause behind this, he's still winning. Even as CBS cancels his show, he's pushing his name up higher. He's getting offers left and right. I think it's also pretty smart way of living. If he's off the drugs as the test show, he's living a life where they really aren't needed. The excitement is already there.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Rico on March 06, 2011, 05:29:45 PM
Winning?  What is he winning??  The guy has had trouble with substance abuse for years.  Whether he continues to work in the entertainment doesn't really matter to me (as I said above).  A good actor?  Sorry, I've never seen that.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 06, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: Rico on March 06, 2011, 05:29:45 PM
Winning?  What is he winning??  The guy has had trouble with substance abuse for years.  Whether he continues to work in the entertainment doesn't really matter to me (as I said above).  A good actor?  Sorry, I've never seen that.
What isn't he winning? He's getting offered all sorts of deals. Made the Guinness Book. Had the 9 million viewers on the 20/20 special. As for his acting, I'm sorry you've never seen it as good, but I have and I find many of his films enjoyable.

Right now, he's clean. This is stuff he's doing while he's clean and people are flocking to it even if they don't agree. So, yes, he's winning. He's living the life that he wants and he's not apologizing for that. It must be liberating to be in a position to say "Screw everyone, I'm going to live my life to my rules."

Not many people can do that. Not that many people want to, but I know more than a few men that are a little envious at his home life.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 06, 2011, 06:00:36 PM
LOL! He does get the chicks. I like him in his big films and even in the comedy films. He's not a great actor, but he is good one, IMO.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: WillEagle on March 06, 2011, 06:31:47 PM
I agree with M-5!!
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Pyrovile on March 06, 2011, 08:24:22 PM
Firefighters are injured and killed in the line of duty every day and barely register a few lines in the local news....Charlie Sheen becomes a human train wreck and it's international news.  Welcome to Idiocracy.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 06, 2011, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Pyrovile on March 06, 2011, 08:24:22 PM
Firefighters are injured and killed in the line of duty every day and barely register a few lines in the local news....Charlie Sheen becomes a human train wreck and it's international news.  Welcome to Idiocracy.
Thousands of people die every day and don't make the news. It's not Idiocracy, it's the news. When it isn't local, it's really not the important to other people around the country. If it was, it would be on the news. If we took one day to rmention all the people that die in a day, we'd never get caught up. The average is 1 person every 5 seconds. By the time you say a name and put it into context, you're going to be dozens of deaths behind.

Charlie Sheen is being quite entertaining and if they aren't showing it, their competition will. Even the news needs to pay the bills and that's how ratings get them paid.

It's a still a world of supply and demand. I just don't see the common man demanding to hear about death and destruction when their lives aren't going that great already.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Geekyfanboy on March 06, 2011, 09:27:05 PM
Oh man.. I have to deal with the Charlie Sheen crap all over twitter, facebook and the news.. and now the one place I didn't expect it..  very disappointing :(
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: moyer777 on March 06, 2011, 11:26:37 PM
Speaking as a person that has worked with many disturbed people over the years, I disagree with any type of justifying his behavior.

Look up the word Sociopath.

The fact that he's being glorified and is fun for people sucks.

People like this leave hurt in their wake, and by advertising it to the world like it's funny or awesome cause he doesn't care what anyone thinks is doing a terrible injustice not only to the people he is abusing and hurting, but to his children as well. 

We don't know the whole story, there is more going on than we see.  I find the whole thing extremely sad.

I'm praying for the people being taken advantage of, and hope that he gets the mental and medical help that he needs.

That's my two cents.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bromptonboy on March 07, 2011, 02:48:01 AM
I sometimes suspect he is pulling a 'Joachim Phoenix' and partially doing this for a stunt.  I always liked his old man, but never greatly for Charlie.  Wall Street & Platoon were great movies.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Meds on March 07, 2011, 03:17:48 AM
Well on a personal point I couldn't care less about him. We mention him on the podcast everynow and again but that's out of sarcasm. Trouble is mindless drones live reading about these kind of 'celebs'
Here in the UK we have glamour model 'fake' author, talentless singer Jordon ( Katie Price ) to deal with. If I see her face on a page I skip that page. I won't give them the publicity and I certainly won't buy the paper or magazine just because they're on it.

From Sheen's point of view well whatever he does to himself is up to him, but if it starts to upset his family and friends then frankly he's a git.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bromptonboy on March 07, 2011, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on March 07, 2011, 03:17:48 AM

Here in the UK we have glamour model 'fake' author, talentless singer Jordon ( Katie Price ) to deal with. If I see her face on a page I skip that page. I won't give them the publicity and I certainly won't buy the paper or magazine just because they're on it.
True enough - but at least she is easy on the eyes.  :)

Just think, in about 10 years we will look back and think of these relatively innocent times as compared to what is in store for us.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: iceman on March 07, 2011, 05:24:18 AM
Well said Rick I agree with you, Charlie Sheen is a person who really needs help not only that, but what kind of example is he setting for his kids with his alcohol and drug use. I am sure that the studio has known about his problems for years and have condoned it by ignoring it, so they could make money off of him. He  himself is in denial, and even if he is not using drugs now, I am sure the effects from his long time use of it have and will have far reaching consequences to his health. His denial to even admit he has a problem by saying that he wont listen to judgements about his behavior have basically isolated him from the help he needs and his best supporters, his family.

His on air ramblings at times have been incoherent babblings and many psychologists who have discussed his behavior have suggested the possibility of mental illness.Whether or not true, his behavior indicates a man who needs some serious help, especially as he does not seem to be bothered by his children being taken away.

What Charlie Sheen needs is help, and I am afraid he wont get it while people are flocking to his web site and encouraging his rants for its entertainment value and curiosity on watching him go down in flames because they find it entertaining. He may have been once a great actor, but his future and how long he lives may very well depend on when and if he gets his drug use and alcoholism under control.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 05:58:51 AM
Let's face it, this incident is par for the course for pop culture icons and the media hysteria surrounding them. I appreciate the kind sentiments expressed and concern for this guys wellness and that of his family, but this where we are as a society and what we seem to enjoy doing to the people we make wealthy for entertaining us. They take the good with the bad when they cash those studio checks.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 07, 2011, 06:29:17 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 05:58:51 AM
Let's face it, this incident is par for the course for pop culture icons and the media hysteria surrounding them. I appreciate the kind sentiments expressed and concern for this guys wellness and that of his family, but this where we are as a society and what we seem to enjoy doing to the people we make wealthy for entertaining us. They take the good with the bad when they cash those studio checks.
A good point. Another point is that we don't know if he needs help at all. Is he over the top or is he being over the top to draw attention to himself from which he benefits?

I agree with Charlie in that you can't just look at him and diagnose him. That's probably the worst offense. There is nothing illegal about his ranting or behavior. In fact, as far as crazy rants go, his have been decidedly tame. Ask Mel or Christian Bale about a real rant. They have been a mass collection of sound bites.

Is he crazy or is he working the system that we put into place? A system where the perception of crazy warrants media interest.

Until it's clear what's going on in his head, I only have the information on hand to tell me what to think.

1) He has had drug problems.

2) He's television's highest paid actor.

3) Ratings dictate pay.

4) He has tested clear of drugs twice.

5) Publicity increases ratings.

Using the facts and only the facts, Charlie's achieving increased publicity and the ratings of his show has gone way up ... even though it's in reruns.

We can say we think he needs help, but that's a judgement based on very little solid information.

I would also like to point out that going a little outside of the box has always been normal for so many actors. I think that if you are playing and pretending to be someone other than yourself for most of your life, there is a real danger of losing who you are. When you factor in the necessity to dwell on past emotions and traumas to create realism in your work, you are picking at wounds that you can't really allow to heal.

Acting is a mentally and sometimes physically draining job. The Fame doesn't help with it. Just as some sports people break their bodies and run themselves down for the big pay, the same can happen to the mental status of actors. We don't know what it is. We do know that past celebs that have  Drastically altered their behavior have recovered and are doing fine. Maybe the brain needs a reset? Maybe the person in question just needed to relieve the stress of their life?

In the end, none of us are qualified to mentally diagnose a person that we haven't met and talked to in person. Doctors aren't even qualified to do that.

I also don't think that he's a sociopath or suffering ASPD. Depending on the day of the week, I'm sure that you can look at the actions of someone and declare them to have some sort of mental condition. Even the things that the common man does on a daily basis can be placed into the box of having a mental illness if we are only able to see the surface actions of a person.

How many of our own actions wouldn't seem a little crazy if our actions were shown in no real context?

Let's not forget that mental illness is also a very slippery slope. Strictly by the definition of the words, being faithful to a religion can fall into several types of mental illness, but because it's faith, it doesn't. Unless it's a really weird faith. If one person seems to be talking to someone that isn't visible, there might be mental issues. If many people are talking to someone that isn't visible, it's excused as faith and not mental illness.

This is part of the reason that I try not to judge the mental state of others. We can't know what's going on because we can never get inside their heads.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 11:08:47 AM
They just had a story on CNBC with an ad company that wants to monetize the advertising on Charlie Sheens Twitter account and apparently Charlie is in a deal with Marc Cuban to do this new online talk show.

Crazy? Yeah, like a fox.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: moyer777 on March 07, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
X- you should be in charge of his fan club.  ;)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 07, 2011, 11:55:49 AM
Quote from: moyer777 on March 07, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
X- you should be in charge of his fan club.  ;)
LOL! I wouldn't say I was a fan, but I am impressed with the media event that he's pulling off. I don't think he's any more crazy than he was 10 years ago or 20 years ago. Like then, he's doing what he does best and capitalizing on his image. It's how he scored major league and other films.

I do respect that he's doing it all sober. Anyone can pull of these antics drunk, but it's a skill to do it sober and still get all of this press.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Jobydrone on March 07, 2011, 12:08:56 PM
CBS clearly is willing to accept the losses that come from putting a premature end to a hit program, they've put their money where their mouths are.  We'll see how far Charlie Sheen's self proclaimed concern for all the cast and crew of his show goes.  If he is willing to shut his mouth, get clean, and do his job by finishing out his contract, then it wouldn't surprise me if CBS allows 2 1/2 Men to continue.  My gut tells me that Charlie's ego is too huge to let this happen though, and as he continues his campaign to embarrass and harrass his bosses via the media they'll just call it a day and cut their losses.

It's hard not to be judgemental when you see a public figure barely coherent, advocating drug fueled mania and cohabitation with two ex porn actresses as a "winning" lifestyle, but live and let live I guess.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 07, 2011, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on March 07, 2011, 12:08:56 PM
It's hard not to be judgemental when you see a public figure barely coherent, advocating drug fueled mania and cohabitation with two ex porn actresses as a "winning" lifestyle, but live and let live I guess.
I don't think that the careers of the woman ( I don't think that both did porn) has anything to do with it. We all have history in our lives, be it exciting or mundane. I'm not going to judge anyone's career path.

You also have to remember that Lorre fired the first shot in his battle with Sheen by publicly putting this on TV:

CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #329

I exercise regularly. I eat moderate amounts of healthy food. I make sure to get plenty of rest. I see my doctor once a year and my dentist twice a year. I floss every night. I've had chest x–rays, cardio stress tests, EKG's and colonoscopies. I see a psychologist and have a variety of hobbies to reduce stress. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I don't have crazy, reckless sex with strangers.

If Charlie Sheen outlives me, I'm gonna be really pissed.

<< >>
1st Aired: 14 February 2011

which has now lead to this:

Surprise! Charlie Sheen Could Be Returning To Two And A Half Men Shortly
Mar. 7, 2011, 2:08 PM | 1,746 |   1

The companies that benefit from Two and a Half Men's excellent ratings are exploring ways to clear hurdle that is preventing Charlie Sheen from returning to the hit sitcom.
RadarOnline reports CBS and Warner Bros. Television are considering replacing Chuck Lorre in an attempt to appease the actor who called the show's co-creator and writer a "stupid, stupid little man and a ... punk that I'd never want to be like."
The plan calls for Sheen-approved consulting producer Don Reo to take over as head writer/producer for the hit show. The creator of M.A.S.H., The Golden Girls, and Blossom among others penned two episodes of Two and a Half Men last season and three in season seven. He would oversee production of the CBS ratings machine.
The move would allow Lorre to step away from the day-to-day operations and spend his time working with The Big Bang Theory and Mike & Molly, two other shows he created. His pay for Two and a Half Men wouldn't change.
- Noah Davis


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-sheen-returning-two-half-men-2011-3#ixzz1FwoMmvGH (http://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-sheen-returning-two-half-men-2011-3#ixzz1FwoMmvGH)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 12:42:57 PM
$2 mil per episode and tiger blood injections!
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Jobydrone on March 07, 2011, 12:43:53 PM
I'm not sure if you have access to inside information that the rest of the world doesn't have, but if not then simplifying the situation by suggesting that "this" directly led to "that", considering these two men have worked together for almost a decade is a bit misleading.

Take a closer look at that decade in Mr. Sheen's life.  He's a hairs breath away from losing his job, has restraining orders preventing him from seeing his children, recently was accused of domestic violence for holding a knife to his ex wife's throat, has a sordid history of violence against women, in and out of rehab for cocaine addiction, car accidents, arrests.  His own father recently publicly called him an addict.

I'm not impressed, not at all.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 12:45:49 PM
An yet he and Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton and Lord knows how many other disasters are made multimillionaires sometimes just for being crazy, lewd, criminal, or categorically stupid. God bless America.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: iceman on March 07, 2011, 12:49:37 PM
Regardless of whether he is drinking, isn't, or doing drugs, or not, his erratic behavior and lack of judgement around his kids is what got them taken away from him. I would think that a person who loved his kids would see this as a wake up call. If this was a publicity stunt it was certainly costly, and something must have concerned the child welfare authorities enough to take his kids away or they would not have done it.

Also getting rid of Chuck Lorrie to placate Charlie Sheen so they can continue to make money off of him may be great for the studio and Charlie in the Short term, but could also be very Damaging to him if he does have a problem, Taking his kids away would seem to indicate that their is concern on some level about what is going on.

If what he is doing is a publicity  stunt , its brilliant on one level, but may be too costly if he loses his kids over it. While past behavior isn't always a prediction of future behavior, it is an indication that it could be, His problems with alcohol and drugs is an ongoing issue and just because he is not using drugs at the moment doesn't mean he hadn't earlier or will not in the future. Like most celebrities, he likes to work and play hard, and when he does do drugs and alcohol he does it to the extream and that is where the problem is. If he is not careful he could very well end his life Like Micheal Jackson did and that would truly be a loss for him and his kids.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: iceman on March 07, 2011, 12:49:37 PM
Like most celebrities, he likes to work and play hard,

I think that's debatable....
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: iceman on March 07, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
In His case, I don't think so or for Lindsay Lohan either, their drunken and drug escapades are well known to everyone.  Besides bad judgement, allot of their troubles can be traced back to their use of both drugs and alcohol.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on March 07, 2011, 12:59:56 PM
You couldn't pay me enough $$ to be associated with that show or anything similar of its kind.  I would never want it on my resume.  

King
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 01:02:17 PM
Quote from: iceman on March 07, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
In His case, I don't think so or for Lindsay Lohan either, their drunken and drug escapades are well known to everyone.  Besides bad judgement, allot of their troubles can be traced back to their use of both drugs and alcohol.

Oh, I just really meant the "work hard" part. :)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: iceman on March 07, 2011, 01:03:29 PM
I sorta Figured that.:)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 07, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 07, 2011, 12:59:56 PM
You couldn't pay me enough $$ to be associated with that show or anything similar of its kind.  I would never want it on my resume.  

King
I highly doubt that statement. I'm willing to bet that there is NO One on this board that wouldn't do the show for something as "little" as 40k and episode.

Show me someone willing to pass up that and I'll show you a fool. At 40k per ep, that more than a million a year. Hell, I'd do it for 10k and a trailer.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Jobydrone on March 07, 2011, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 01:02:17 PM
Oh, I just really meant the "work hard" part. :)

Yeah, from what I've seen of his show most of his lines are delivered in straight faced glassy eyed monotone.  I don't get the appeal.  His recent cameo in "Money Never Sleeps" was basically a parody of his current public persona.  I thought that was a shame because I really enjoyed his performance in the original film.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Jobydrone on March 07, 2011, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: X on March 07, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
I highly doubt that statement. I'm willing to bet that there is NO One on this board that wouldn't do the show for something as "little" as 40k and episode.

Show me someone willing to pass up that and I'll show you a fool. At 40k per ep, that more than a million a year. Hell, I'd do it for 10k and a trailer.


I'll do it for 5k and a beat up VW microbus!
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on March 07, 2011, 01:37:04 PM
Quote from: X on March 07, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 07, 2011, 12:59:56 PM
You couldn't pay me enough $$ to be associated with that show or anything similar of its kind.  I would never want it on my resume. 

King
I highly doubt that statement. I'm willing to bet that there is NO One on this board that wouldn't do the show for something as "little" as 40k and episode.

Show me someone willing to pass up that and I'll show you a fool. At 40k per ep, that more than a million a year. Hell, I'd do it for 10k and a trailer.

Then I'm a fool.  To me, there is more to life than $$ and yes, I would turn it down.  If anything, $$ has not brought me happiness yet, how would 40K per episode bring me any? 

King
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on March 07, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
And yes, that statement has little weight, considering I will never be asked to be involved in that show ever (why would I?).  But I still stick by it.

King
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: iceman on March 07, 2011, 01:43:30 PM
Money hasn't done Charlie Sheen any favors either, it is partially responsible for him being able to afford his drug and alcohol and porn problems which has contributed to the train wreck that is his life, several divorces, arrests, assaults etc because of the above. All being equal more money would be great, if you didn't have the alcohol, drugs etc issues that he has, As far as I am concerned I don't think all the problems and issues he has is worth the money. Sometimes more money can lead to other problems that one wouldn't normally have otherwise. More money does not always guarantee more happiness in ones life either.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: spaltor on March 07, 2011, 01:52:14 PM
Aaaaand - he's fired:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/charlie-sheen-fired-warner-bros-165014 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/charlie-sheen-fired-warner-bros-165014)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: iceman on March 07, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
What do you bet he sues for breach of contract.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on March 07, 2011, 02:00:03 PM
Wow that took cajones to fire him.  It'll be interesting to see how this ends...

King
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bromptonboy on March 07, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: X on March 07, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
[Hell, I'd do it for 10k and a trailer.

NBC and Russell Dalrymple just called - they want to go with the pilot...even after the cleavage peek.

(sorry, couldn't resist the Seinfeld nod)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Meds on March 07, 2011, 03:07:57 PM
He says in his statement that he's glad he doesn't have to wear those shirts, i quite like those bowling style shirts. Bit of a rip off from Chandler, but "Hey Charlie, can i have your shirts". ;)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Pyrovile on March 07, 2011, 03:51:51 PM
At the rate he's going I'll be amazed if he lives long enough to litigate.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Blackride on March 07, 2011, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 07, 2011, 01:37:04 PM
Quote from: X on March 07, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 07, 2011, 12:59:56 PM
You couldn't pay me enough $$ to be associated with that show or anything similar of its kind.  I would never want it on my resume. 

King
I highly doubt that statement. I'm willing to bet that there is NO One on this board that wouldn't do the show for something as "little" as 40k and episode.

Show me someone willing to pass up that and I'll show you a fool. At 40k per ep, that more than a million a year. Hell, I'd do it for 10k and a trailer.

Then I'm a fool.  To me, there is more to life than $$ and yes, I would turn it down.  If anything, $$ has not brought me happiness yet, how would 40K per episode bring me any? 

King

I agree. I will not do anything for $$. I will not and never have sold my soul for $$. If that makes me a fool, then we need lots more of people that are willing to turn down money as it's does not buy happiness.....
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 07, 2011, 04:07:00 PM
Quote from: Blackride on March 07, 2011, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 07, 2011, 01:37:04 PM
Quote from: X on March 07, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on March 07, 2011, 12:59:56 PM
You couldn't pay me enough $$ to be associated with that show or anything similar of its kind.  I would never want it on my resume. 

King
I highly doubt that statement. I'm willing to bet that there is NO One on this board that wouldn't do the show for something as "little" as 40k and episode.

Show me someone willing to pass up that and I'll show you a fool. At 40k per ep, that more than a million a year. Hell, I'd do it for 10k and a trailer.

Then I'm a fool.  To me, there is more to life than $$ and yes, I would turn it down.  If anything, $$ has not brought me happiness yet, how would 40K per episode bring me any? 

King

I agree. I will not do anything for $$. I will not and never have sold my soul for $$. If that makes me a fool, then we need lots more of people that are willing to turn down money as it's does not buy happiness.....
No one asked you to sell your soul. King said they couldn't pay him enough to be associated with Two and a half men or anything like it. Are you saying that you wouldn't work on Two and a Half Men for no amount of money ever?
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on March 07, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
There is an old saying. "Anyone that thinks money can't buy happiness hasn't been spending it in the right place.". I totally agree. Having wealth enough to have zero debt, go on vacations with your loved ones when you want, pay off the parent's mortgages, not worrying about the bills.

I'm pretty sure that when you're rich and sad, it's still a lot better than being poor and sad.

Money is one of the primary tools in reaching happiness. Without money, any of those dreams that you are looking to reach are that much harder or out of reach.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: X on March 07, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
I'm pretty sure that when you're rich and sad, it's still a lot better than being poor and sad.

Oh, that one strikes close to home and is so far OT I won't go into it, but I have certainly seen the opposite, trust me on this one.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on March 07, 2011, 04:45:18 PM
To answer your first question X, I wouldn't work for that show ever. 

And if I must live the rest of my life poor, at least I can live it knowing that I lived how I wanted.  I pity Sheen, he is surrounded by people that may not be his true friends and a broken family.  When the limelight disappears, I wonder what will happen to him.  I would never want his fate.  His fate that riches has a hand in. 

King
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Rico on March 07, 2011, 04:45:58 PM
Quote from: spaltor on March 07, 2011, 01:52:14 PM
Aaaaand - he's fired:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/charlie-sheen-fired-warner-bros-165014 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/charlie-sheen-fired-warner-bros-165014)

Very good for them.  If they have to pay him off something - fine.  But if it was me running that show, I'd never let him back.  Too much bad blood has been shed.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: iceman on March 07, 2011, 05:18:45 PM
I doubt he is that happy, he has lost his kids , been divorced many times, arrested, fired, wasted. Without someone to share his money and wealth with, a person who really cares about him, what does he really have and will he be truly happy when the dust settles on this mess.

I really don't see much in his life for him to be truly happy about now, and allot of this mess is because of the money and bad decisions he made. Sure in some cases money can make your life easier, but if you don't cherish anything else but the mighty dollar, in the end, is it really worth it, without family and friends. Somehow I think the price is just too high.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: jedijeff on March 08, 2011, 11:27:05 AM
I watched his 20/20 interview last week, and for a guy who is 3 years older then me, he looks like a man in his 60's. I saw some video this morning of some web show of his rants, again, he looked terrible, and what he was saying made no sense. I had to turn it off after about a minute as I found it to disturbing, so if that is entertainment, I have to this it has a limited appeal. Usually people play exaggerated characters of themselves on TV, but in Charlies case, his Character on Two and Half Men seems like a way toned down Charlie Sheen.

The 20/20 Interview, every time he talked of his house of love, just made the word Love sound really creepy to me. Charlie Sheen has done some great movies in the past, pity he let excessive lifestyle lead it to this point. If any of us went on like he did to our employers, we would be fired, so goes to show no one is immune to getting fired regardless of who they are.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: moyer777 on March 08, 2011, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: X on March 07, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
I'm pretty sure that when you're rich and sad, it's still a lot better than being poor and sad.

Oh, that one strikes close to home and is so far OT I won't go into it, but I have certainly seen the opposite, trust me on this one.

I bet you see a lot of stuff in your line of work that most people don't.  Are the rich happier Bryan?
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bryancd on March 08, 2011, 11:48:14 AM
Quote from: moyer777 on March 08, 2011, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 07, 2011, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: X on March 07, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
I'm pretty sure that when you're rich and sad, it's still a lot better than being poor and sad.

Oh, that one strikes close to home and is so far OT I won't go into it, but I have certainly seen the opposite, trust me on this one.

I bet you see a lot of stuff in your line of work that most people don't.  Are the rich happier Bryan?

Depends....just like everyone else. I know is very content wealthy people and some who are very unhappy and never satisfied. I've seen families ripped apart when it seemed they had everything. And mostly that's from my childhood. I can say money in my family has provided many blessings and many curses. At the end of the day, most of us agree we would rather have had less but been happier.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Rico on April 03, 2011, 05:03:36 AM
Well, I'm happy to see that even my peeps of Detroit still have some taste as they booed Charlie Sheen off stage last night at the opening of his live show here.  Love it!

Actor Charlie Sheen was booed off stage by fans on the first night of his Violent Torpedo Of Truth: Defeat Is Not An Option one-man show in Detroit.

The former Two And A Half Men star had initially been greeted with rapturous applause, but fans reportedly began to walk out within 15 minutes.

Sheen had promised to tell "the real story", but critics said he instead gave "a series of nonsensical rants".

The show ended after an hour when Sheen failed to return after a musical break.

Entertainment Weekly described the show as an "unmitigated disaster".

"The padded and disjointed show was a hodgepodge of video clips and Sheen-isms that felt hastily assembled and misjudged the patience of even the hardest of hardcore fans," it said.

The Hollywood Reporter said: "Call it 'tiger blood' or 'Adonis DNA' if you will. Just don't call it entertainment."

Sheen opened with a monologue saying: "I am finally here to identify and train the Vatican assassin locked inside each and every one of you."
Fans at Charlie Sheen's live show Unhappy fans walked out of Sheen's show early

After talking about his "napalm dripping brain" and describing himself as "a giant and leaky bag of mayhem", he added: "Is anybody else as confused by this as I am?"

He also showed film clips including one he wrote, produced and directed entitled RPG, but was abruptly halted after more booing from the audience.

The 45-year-old responded to one heckle by saying: "I already got your money, dude."

He later told the crowd the show was "an experiment" adding: "You paid your hard-earned money without knowing what this show was about."

Fans walked out chanting "Refund!" and were quick to express their disappointment outside.

"I was hoping for something. I didn't think it would be this bad," said Linda Fugate from Detroit, who said she paid $150 (£93) for two tickets.

"I expected him to at least entertain a little bit. It was just a bunch of ranting," said Rodney Gagnon, who travelled from Ontario in Canada for the show.

Others blamed the audience: "I thought it was good. It was what I expected," Lori Caputo of Battle Creek, Michigan, told USA Today.

"I was disappointed in everybody booing."

The Detroit performance was the first of 22 sold-out planned shows in 20 US and Canadian cities.

Sheen's publicist Larry Solters declined to comment after the show.

Sheen was fired from hit comedy Two and A Half Men last month amid a frenzy of US media reports on his controversial personal life.

Meanwhile, Martin Sheen has spoken to the BBC about the "roller coaster ride" his family have experienced in trying to support his son.

"Charlie is dealing with the most profound problems and addiction - there's no secret, his behaviour has been an example of that," he told Kirsty Young on Radio 4's Desert Island Discs.


P.S.  Oh, it's also been reported that scalpers bought up a lot of the tickets for these shows which is why they sold out so quickly but are having a very hard time selling them off - even at face value.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Feathers on April 04, 2011, 12:10:42 AM
As much as anything, I'm amused that 'Desert Island Discs' becomes a source of newsworthy qoutes in these situations!

I would have though expexting the unexpected would have been the best policy for a show like this.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Bromptonboy on April 04, 2011, 03:11:24 AM
I hope he gets the help he needs before it is too late.  Unlikely with media-vultures egging him on.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Rico on May 13, 2011, 08:51:23 AM
Bye, bye Charlie.  CBS has hired your replacement at a cool $1,000,000 per episode!

I don't think anyone saw this coming. In a late night, last minute deal, and just in time for CBS upfronts next week, Two and a Half Men snagged Ashton Kutcher to fill the gaping, drunken, womanizing hole left by Charlie Sheen. Yeah, big time movie star Kutcher is going the network TV route. Dude, isn't that were you started (on That 70s Show)? Why are you going back? Oh, they're paying $1 million an episode? Oh, well that makes sense.

We're not sure what Kutcher's role will be, but we do know it's a brand new one. Don't worry Men fans, they're not actually replacing Charlie, just adding someone in to offset the off-kilter dynamic now that he's gone. The thing that's rather brilliant about this is that they'll probably snag even more viewers with this switch. The show is already beloved and now, with the Kutcher addition, I think it's safe to say we'll see a few more viewers flocking to that Monday night time slot. Hell, I can't usually sit through an entire Two and a Half Men episode, but I sure love me some Ashton. He's infinitely likable on all fronts and I can't see any way this won't be good for CBS.

Apparently, Charlie Sheen going bananas and pulling the rug out from under Chuck Lorre and friends was the best thing that ever happened to them. Suck on that, Warlock.


http://www.hollywood.com/news/Ashton_Kutcher_Joins_Two_and_a_Half_Men/7793598 (http://www.hollywood.com/news/Ashton_Kutcher_Joins_Two_and_a_Half_Men/7793598)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on May 13, 2011, 08:59:41 AM
Off the top of my head, I'd say he'd play the son of Charlie's character.  That character dies and leave the house to an illegitimate son that has to share the house with his uncle and cousin. He'll be a womanize like his father but also serve in the role of big bro to his cousin.

At least that's how I think chuck would do it. A final screw you to charlie by killing off the character and making a younger better version of him. 
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: QuadShot on May 13, 2011, 10:05:04 AM
X, I like that idea, and I like the insult to Sheen! But...don't you think Ashton may be a little old to be Charlies son? It'd be close, huh? I guess since Charlie has been "active" for a LONG time, it could be possible...
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: X on May 13, 2011, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on May 13, 2011, 10:05:04 AM
X, I like that idea, and I like the insult to Sheen! But...don't you think Ashton may be a little old to be Charlies son? It'd be close, huh? I guess since Charlie has been "active" for a LONG time, it could be possible...
If we use real world as a guide and add 3 years to sheen and subtract 3 from kutcher like they can do in film (sometimes even more), it could work.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: QuadShot on May 13, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
True. I guess if Sean Connery can be Harrison Ford's dad...:)
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: Meds on May 13, 2011, 02:19:38 PM
You know that had Hugh Grant signed up buthe changed his mind last minute.
Title: Re: Charlie Sheen...
Post by: QuadShot on May 13, 2011, 02:20:31 PM
Meds, from what I understand, they offered much less than a million USD per episode and he turned it down...