http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/season3_date/index.html (http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/season3_date/index.html)
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 3 Premiere Date Announced
Secrets Are Revealed In All-New Season of Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Premiering on Cartoon Network, Friday, September 17, 9 p.m. (ET/PT)
New Clone Wars Adventures Online Virtual World to Debut with Season Premiere
Building on the huge ratings win from last spring's second season finale of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Cartoon Network announced today it will premiere 22 all-new episodes for season three of the critically acclaimed CG-animated series from creator George Lucas and Lucasfilm Animation. The special, one-hour season three premiere event of Star Wars: The Clone Wars airs Friday, September 17, at 9 p.m. (et/pt).
The season two finale of Star Wars: The Clone Wars was the highest-rated telecast of the season among all key kid demos -- 2-11, 6-11, 9-14. The one-hour special also took the #1 spot as the most-watched telecast of the day (May 2) among boys 6-14, and #1 for its timeslot with kids 6-14 versus all television. Star Wars: The Clone Wars is a thrilling, weekly 30-minute "mini-movie" created by the talented artists at Lucasfilm Animation.
Mystery, intrigue and adventure await our heroes with all-new action-packed episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars. As war continues to rage throughout the galaxy, the dark side grows even stronger and the Jedi Knights are pushed to the breaking point. The lines between good and evil become blurred as secrets are revealed, truths are questioned and alliances are betrayed. Loyalties are tested as new enemies emerge and heroes rise -- and fall.
In this transformative new season of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, surprises wait at every turn, the fate of the galaxy hangs in the balance and the destiny of the "Chosen One" will at long last be uncovered. Thrilling, unpredictable and often humorous, the exciting new adventures of the Star Wars Saga will captivate fans of all ages.
Fans of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated television series on Cartoon Network can also look forward to the scheduled online release of LucasArts, a division of Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd.'s and Sony Online Entertainment LLC's (SOE) Clone Wars Adventures video game on September 15. The ultimate virtual destination for a new generation of Star Wars fans, Clone Wars Adventures is an action-packed virtual world where players can go online to experience fun minigames, daily activities, events, rewards, lively social environments and competition. Clone Wars Adventures lets players duel iconic adversaries with their own custom lightsaber, speed through the galaxy in a custom starfighter, defeat enemies and take down starships.
Clone Wars Adventures is a free-to-play to game, but players who want to take the galactic action to the next level can purchase a monthly Membership subscription for $5.99, while a variety of epic items can also be purchased through Station Cash micro-transactions. The Clone Wars Adventures Galactic Passport is scheduled to be available at thousands of retail locations in North America later this fall and will include a 90 day membership, 500 Station Cash, the ability to unlock the Togruta playable character, a Yoda monitor topper, and more.
Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 3 Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utlLpz9MaiM#ws)
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 3 Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISW2AFyulVU#ws)
Here's another trailer but can't embed it.
http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001063.html (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001063.html)
Wow.. I can't wait for this new season.. and for that matter can't wait for Season 2 on Blu-Ray..
Me either! This is going to rock!
Now THIS is what i am talking about!!!!
http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001074.html (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001074.html)
WOW, fantastic stuff Bryan!
Looking very good!
Does look like it will be a great season, plenty of big stories it looks from the preview.
Don't forget, set your TIVO's and other DVR's - "Clone Wars" returns tomorrow night with an hour long season three premiere event! Here's a pic below of the main voice actors at a recent celebration for season three. Can't wait!
AWESOME!!!!!!
Looks pretty cool. :) I like the inclusion of the Sith Witches, and the new Zabrak feels like a welcome attempt at correcting one of the biggest issues I had with Episode I. I'm looking forward to it. :)
Wow.. fantastic premiere.. loved that there were two episodes. Didn't realized that the clones we saw in the first episode were ones that we saw in Season 2 defending that outpost... Enjoyed the first episode alot but really liked the second one.. love that we got to see a lot of Shaak Ti, she's a pretty cool Jedi. And we got to see two lightsaber battles.. Grievous and Obi Wan & Ventress and Anikan.
I'm so looking forward to this new season!!!!
Great start to the season. I'm always amazed at how this series can bring out the emotions in me - especially for a bunch of clones. They've really worked hard at giving them individual personalities and make you care about them. Loved both episodes and enjoyed seeing more of Shaak Ti. Great stuff! :)
Outstanding start to the season.
agreed. Visually exciting and plotwise- EXCELLENT! I love having more Star Wars.
Check this out, from STARWARS.com. The two bounty hunters training the droids were characters taken from the cantina scene in ANH. I recognized them and here's a great shot from the movie showing them both!
"The script initially described Bric as human, but his design instead was inspired by the "Brainee" alien spotted in the Mos Eisley Cantina in Episode IV. Likewise, El-Les is based on the "T-Head" alien from that scene. The Expanded Universe describes these species as Sineteen (an anagram of "Einstein") and Arcona."
Pretty cool. I recognized the T-Head alien but Bric didn't really register when I watched the episode. Was the brainee alien in the original release or was he added in for the Special Edition?
Quote from: Rico on September 18, 2010, 04:48:41 PM
Pretty cool. I recognized the T-Head alien but Bric didn't really register when I watched the episode. Was the brainee alien in the original release or was he added in for the Special Edition?
I think original, if they added him later I think they would have made him a bit more dynamic looking, especially those eyes. It looks like a Rick Baker mask.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 18, 2010, 05:11:34 PM
Quote from: Rico on September 18, 2010, 04:48:41 PM
Pretty cool. I recognized the T-Head alien but Bric didn't really register when I watched the episode. Was the brainee alien in the original release or was he added in for the Special Edition?
I think original, if they added him later I think they would have made him a bit more dynamic looking, especially those eyes. It looks like a Rick Baker mask.
Yep - you are right. Some good info here to check out: http://www.starwars.com/movies/episode-iv/20081027.html?page=2 (http://www.starwars.com/movies/episode-iv/20081027.html?page=2)
I love it. I so looked at that a few months ago! Nice find!
Awesome start to the Clone Wars Season 3. They really pulled me in this time with just the beginning. :) Looking forward to it.
It's amusing (and annoying), but the Clone Wars S3 already has Censored footage. Good grief, of all the things to censor, this has to be the least worst thing. I hate main-stream media...while we are at it, can we censor all the other terrible cartoon shows that are on this channel? They certainly aren't worth watching. ;)
TCW Censored Footage: Asajj's Deadly Kiss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE11a9BXe54#ws)
King
Wow! That was pretty intense!
Nice.. I thought it looked like a rather odd cut.. hopefully it will be put back into the episode when the DVD comes out.
Holy cow that was cool! Yeah, I noticed it looked like something was cut too. Was it broadcast in other countries with the footage left in?
Quote from: Rico on September 19, 2010, 10:25:05 AM
Holy cow that was cool! Yeah, I noticed it looked like something was cut too. Was it broadcast in other countries with the footage left in?
I hope so because that would more then likely mean we would get it on the DVD.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 19, 2010, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: Rico on September 19, 2010, 10:25:05 AM
Holy cow that was cool! Yeah, I noticed it looked like something was cut too. Was it broadcast in other countries with the footage left in?
I hope so because that would more then likely mean we would get it on the DVD.
According to TheForce.net it will be on the DVD/Blu-Ray release. Not sure if it will just be an extra or put back into the episode.
Just went to the youtube page for that missing clip and read
TheForcenet 15 hours ago
For those wondering, we're told that this WILL be on the DVD/Blu-Ray release.
Just watched the 2 parter. Great stuff...and that cut clip that Kingisaaclinksr posted above was awesome!!
Only one criticism (and a small on e at that). I wish it had been made more clear that episode 1 was a jump back in time. In episode 2, I was thinking
[spoiler]...but they've only just qualified!![/spoiler]
before realising what had happened. Pity the first parter couldn't have been from series 1
Did some of the Clone Trooper helmets look more Stormtrooper than before? I thought they did, but wasn't sure. Perhaps we've already seen these.
WOW! Another great episode and Jar Jar was really funny for once. That was great!
Haven't heard many comments the last few weeks for the series. I have found the last couple of episodes not quite as fun as the start of the season. Seem to be going into areas that aren't the usual. And where is Cade Bane??
The last two...have been terrible. Idk why we went on this whole corruption kick, but it's just not working. (How many times need we say Corruption??) I hope Filoni fesses up to the ForceCast podcast why they went this route because the episode story quality has been pretty lame. It's like I wrote the stories. And that is not a compliment in this case. I really hope this was only a two parter because a three parter is going to drive me nuts.
The Clone Wars has been good, up till these two, and idk why they are so bad, but I would not have published these two shows...they just didn't feel right..
King
Well I wouldn't say they are "terrible" ... I enjoyed the last few episodes.. Season 3 has been pretty good so far.. not as good as Season 2 IMO but hey it's Star Wars so it's leaps and bounds above the regular stuff.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on October 19, 2010, 08:23:15 PM
Well I wouldn't say they are "terrible" ... I enjoyed the last few episodes.. Season 3 has been pretty good so far.. not as good as Season 2 IMO but hey it's Star Wars so it's leaps and bounds above the regular stuff.
I only say terrible because we've seen what good is...and this just isn't it, it's like we returned to season 1...
Makes me disappointed.
King
Yeah, these episodes on Mandalore were just barley ok. Not horrible, but not super compelling. BUT, I still really love the show.
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on October 19, 2010, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on October 19, 2010, 08:23:15 PM
Well I wouldn't say they are "terrible" ... I enjoyed the last few episodes.. Season 3 has been pretty good so far.. not as good as Season 2 IMO but hey it's Star Wars so it's leaps and bounds above the regular stuff.
I only say terrible because we've seen what good is...and this just isn't it, it's like we returned to season 1...
Makes me disappointed.
King
I'd take "terrible" Clone Wars episodes over any of the other cartoons out now.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on October 19, 2010, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on October 19, 2010, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on October 19, 2010, 08:23:15 PM
Well I wouldn't say they are "terrible" ... I enjoyed the last few episodes.. Season 3 has been pretty good so far.. not as good as Season 2 IMO but hey it's Star Wars so it's leaps and bounds above the regular stuff.
I only say terrible because we've seen what good is...and this just isn't it, it's like we returned to season 1...
Makes me disappointed.
King
I'd take "terrible" Clone Wars episodes over any of the other cartoons out now.
I know, I know and so do I, I'm just confused why we had to have these episodes anyway, but having these quality cartoons is better than....well everything cartoon-based atm. :)
King
It might be leading somewhere in terms of Mandalore and the War in general. Hard to tell at this point. I took it as George's way of trying to show how War has effects felt all over and not just on the front lines. Actually when you think of it, it's more of a "Star Trek" approach to telling a story. Less action and more morality themes. I'm sure things will pick up soon.
I hate how it's starting to clash with what we know about the Mandos from the books.
Quote from: X on October 20, 2010, 07:15:22 AM
I hate how it's starting to clash with what we know about the Mandos from the books.
George Lucas doesn't include or even acknowledge the EU when he writes about Star Wars. It's been a hotly debated subject over at the ForceCast podcast ever since S2. heck, The Clone Wars doesn't follow any of books as far as I know. The Live Action series won't either from what I've heard.
King
Quote from: X on October 20, 2010, 07:15:22 AM
I hate how it's starting to clash with what we know about the Mandos from the books.
The barn door has been left open, the horse has escaped, and the barn has burned to the ground on that issue!
Same in the Trek universe guys. The books are one thing, what you see on the screen is another.
The Travis Mandalore books are one of the few SW EU novels I have never read, so I don't have any predisposition towards their culture as portrayed in the EU. I got an idea about it from Boba Fetts appearances in the Legacy of the Force series and it sounded cool, but I have no dog in this fight.
Really liked last night's episode featuring Ahsoka protecting Padme from the assassin. Good stuff and I especially liked the use of music in this one. Such as the playing of the Leia theme on Alderan. Cool episode!
Great episode indeed. Ahsoka is really starting to become a great character. But I just have one small issue:
[spoiler]How did Zero get captured again??[/spoiler]
King
Just saw the firrst two here. Sky Movies had a 'free' weekend so Ep's 1 and 2 were the bait to suck us into subscribing to see the rest of the season. (It's not going to work, too much money required)
We liked both spisodes but didn't 'get' that one was effectively a 'back in time' story. My son was really disappointed that they didn't show the 'in between' story where one of Domino squad was killed. I guess that could even have aired last season?
I need to get the DVDs for seasons 1 and two so that we can watch them through in sequence. Other than these two episodes, we've pretty much dipped in and out of whatever Cartoon Network happens to be showing of the older seasons (no series link for DVR recording, Grrr)
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on October 23, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
Great episode indeed. Ahsoka is really starting to become a great character. But I just have one small issue:
[spoiler]How did Zero get captured again??[/spoiler]
King
In the Clone Wars movie.
Quote from: Feathers on November 01, 2010, 02:35:15 AM
We liked both episodes but didn't 'get' that one was effectively a 'back in time' story. My son was really disappointed that they didn't show the 'in between' story where one of Domino squad was killed. I guess that could even have aired last season?
That was the Season One episode "Rookies" The entire 3rd season so far through episode 7, are all out of chronological order. It's actually very confusing and you need to read the StarWars.com episode guide to try and suss out when each episode takes place.
Quote from: Bryancd on November 01, 2010, 05:55:27 AM
Quote from: Feathers on November 01, 2010, 02:35:15 AM
We liked both episodes but didn't 'get' that one was effectively a 'back in time' story. My son was really disappointed that they didn't show the 'in between' story where one of Domino squad was killed. I guess that could even have aired last season?
That was the Season One episode "Rookies" The entire 3rd season so far through episode 7, are all out of chronological order. It's actually very confusing and you need to read the StarWars.com episode guide to try and suss out when each episode takes place.
Thanks Bryan! I think that's the season that Cartoon Network are showing over here so if I can find that airing (or get the DVD) then Sam will be a happy boy
I was just a bit confused by the Ziro part. Didn't they meet him in the movie but in the series Ahsoka doesn't seem to know him?
Quote from: Rico on November 01, 2010, 06:10:53 AM
I was just a bit confused by the Ziro part. Didn't they meet him in the movie but in the series Ahsoka doesn't seem to know him?
I haven't watched the movie in ages, but I don't recall Ahsoka meeting Ziro. She was off on Cristophis fighting with Anakin, the Ziro story line centered on Padme mostly.
Hmm, time to rewatch it then. I just remember her carrying that little baby Hutt around for most of the movie!
Quote from: Rico on November 01, 2010, 06:21:49 AM
Hmm, time to rewatch it then. I just remember her carrying that little baby Hutt around for most of the movie!
Yes, that she did, but Ziro was back on Corruscant.
I'm getting caught up on season 2 and 3. I was into it season 1 but kind of dropped off after that. I'm 3 or 4 eps into season 2 and enjoying it.
Cartoon Network (UK) are running most of season 2 over the next weekend. I think they have 9 eps on Saturday and 9 on Sunday. Not sure when they'll show the final ones though.
Mike - can you buy the DVD's yet over in the UK?
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on October 23, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
Great episode indeed. Ahsoka is really starting to become a great character. But I just have one small issue:
[spoiler]How did Zero get captured again??[/spoiler]
King
Guys this episode was before Cad rescued Zero. This season especially they have been playing the episodes out of sequence.
I just got my Season 2 Blu-Ray set!
Quote from: Bryancd on November 01, 2010, 08:42:05 AM
I just got my Season 2 Blu-Ray set!
I'll pick it up tomorrow when it comes out.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on November 01, 2010, 08:41:14 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on October 23, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
Great episode indeed. Ahsoka is really starting to become a great character. But I just have one small issue:
[spoiler]How did Zero get captured again??[/spoiler]
King
Guys this episode was before Cad rescued Zero. This season especially they have been playing the episodes out of sequence.
Yeah, but King was asking when Ziro was captured in the first place.
Quote from: Bryancd on November 01, 2010, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on November 01, 2010, 08:41:14 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on October 23, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
Great episode indeed. Ahsoka is really starting to become a great character. But I just have one small issue:
[spoiler]How did Zero get captured again??[/spoiler]
King
Guys this episode was before Cad rescued Zero. This season especially they have been playing the episodes out of sequence.
Yeah, but King was asking when Ziro was captured in the first place.
Oh I read it as why was Zero capture again.. because he is rescued in season two and then suddenly he is back in jail again.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on November 01, 2010, 08:46:08 AM
Oh I read it as why was Zero capture again.. because he is rescued in season two and then suddenly he is back in jail again.
I know, it's all very confusing! But still lot's of fun. The only thing that really bugged me so far, besides the two Manda-bore epsiodes, was that whole Tantive V/Sundered Heart BS. I just can't for the life of me comprehend why Lucas changed that ship. makingt he one we saw in Ep III NOT the Tantive now after all that build up and interior shots.
Quote from: Rico on November 01, 2010, 08:31:30 AM
Mike - can you buy the DVD's yet over in the UK?
Season 2 will be released in two weeks time according to play.com.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on November 01, 2010, 08:41:14 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on October 23, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
Great episode indeed. Ahsoka is really starting to become a great character. But I just have one small issue:
[spoiler]How did Zero get captured again??[/spoiler]
King
Guys this episode was before Cad rescued Zero. This season especially they have been playing the episodes out of sequence.
Yeah, I heard that on the Force Cast podcast.
King
How did everyone like the most recent episode with Quinlan Vos and Obi-Wan teaming up?
I really enjoyed it. The banter was nice and the story was solid. Cad Bane at his finest. He is one of my absolute favorites of this series. His voice is excellent and he's just such a badass bounty hunter. Every episode with him is just great.
[spoiler]Although Zero dies?? :( I'm pretty unhappy about that, he was such a cool character. At least Bane didn't. Still, Zero dying like that was bitter sweet, I would rather have seen him do more, but hey, its up to them. I guess the fact that I'm unhappy about his death means I liked the character :)[/spoiler]
The ForceCast is probably going to get hammered by EU-fans this week on their round table. Apparently Quinlan Vos is a beloved EU character. And if I know George and Dave, they probably didn't stick to the EU edition exactly, unless someone can tell me otherwise? (Never read the books about Quinlan)
King
I liked the episode quite a bit too, except,...
[spoiler]Two Jedi against Bane and they couldn't catch him? Seems a bit unlikely to me. I mean he's good, but I never get why they don't use the force more in these fights? They should have been able to force grab Bane and toss him into one of those rocks. Battle over....[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on November 15, 2010, 04:44:01 PM
I liked the episode quite a bit too, except,...
[spoiler]Two Jedi against Bane and they couldn't catch him? Seems a bit unlikely to me. I mean he's good, but I never get why they don't use the force more in these fights? They should have been able to force grab Bane and toss him into one of those rocks. Battle over....[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Only problem there Rico is that the episode and suspense will all be over right then and there. Actually, if you think about it, many of the movies would have been over if the force was used a lot more. George sorta explains it in the Prequels as being something you shouldn't abuse too much, but really it comes down to the writers. If the Force was used all the time, the Jedi would basically be Gods and nothing could ever stop them ;) but yeah, Cad really managed to get out of there, but only barely. The Force Unleashed video games explain in greater detail really, why using the force a lot means your basically an unstoppable force in the Galaxy. Works in a game, but not so much a TV series.[/spoiler]
King
I loved the episode and agree with what Rico said, BUT King is correct, there needs to be some peril for the Jedi,problem is sometimes the Clone Wars and the Force Unleashed make Force power so extreme we get desensitized.
Yeah, I get all that guys. And I kind of can handle when it's a one on one thing. But two full Jedi? Sorry, that just kind of bugs me.
Quote from: Rico on November 15, 2010, 05:30:59 PM
Yeah, I get all that guys. And I kind of can handle when it's a one on one thing. But two full Jedi? Sorry, that just kind of bugs me.
Oh I hear you, it bugged me as well.
So I am all caught up with Season 3 now and since there have been some comments about the Clone Wars on the podcast, I figured i would give this a bump. I really liked the latest episode. I found the political intrigue stuff very interesting and the story engaging. I do understand and agree that the timeline issues are very confusing but I don't really have a huge problem with the last group of politics heavy episodes.
I'm having a hard time with the last several episodes. This season seems all over the place. And I really wonder what kids who watch are thinking of bank deregulation, emergency senate appropriation bills, and so forth.
They had a recent ForceCast Clone Wars Roundtable discussion about that, some callers were commenting that their kids were very much engaged and liking Asohka and Padme a lot more as they have featured strongly in these episodes. I do agree they are all over the map, however.
Quote from: Bryancd on December 07, 2010, 09:46:46 AM
They had a recent ForceCast Clone Wars Roundtable discussion about that, some callers were commenting that their kids were very much engaged and liking Asohka and Padme a lot more as they have featured strongly in these episodes. I do agree they are all over the map, however.
Yeah, now why do I have trouble buying that? Even Kenny is down on this season some. Sorry, but I think it's been inconsistent at best. And it's a big shift from the structure and storyline methods they have done in previous seasons. I'm ok with them showing the impact of war on a society but they need a better balance of stories. At least in my opinion.
It seems that something about the episode production order may have forced them to not produce these episodes at a time more inline with when they should have aired and they are dumping them all at once. It certainly feels that way as they are all so similar in terms of content. I wonder if that's a reason for the last 4 or 5 being so much about the politics. I think if viewed in proper sequence, they would flow much better but out of context it's really confusing. Still, I do like them, the last one especially, I am a bit of a political wonk. :)
I think they said they were going to go to more linear storyline soon. I really hope so, I'm starting to dislike this all-over-the-place bit we've been going on for a while.
King
So they are doing screenings in movie theaters for the next 3 parter that comes out in Jan on Cartoon Network... I didn't hear about it until it was too late.. but the screening in LA was last night and here is a report of the events.. not really spoiler but does talk about upcoming stuff.
Clone Wars: Savage Opress Rocks
We check out the upcoming Star Wars episodes and like what we see.
December 7, 2010
by Eric Goldman
The first half of Star Wars: The Clone Wars's third season has not exactly been the most exciting period for the animated series, and during his introduction to the upcoming three-part Savage Opress storyline last night at a Los Angeles screening, supervising director Dave Filoni acknowledged the recent criticisms of some viewers that there has been way too few lightsaber battles versus way too many political storylines.
Filoni promised that there were some payoffs coming to the political storylines down the line that would explain why so much time was spent on them – but also vowed that the second half of Season 3 is much more action-heavy, and indeed doesn't have a single scene set in the Republic Senate.
After Filoni's encouraging words, the Savage Opress trilogy was shown, presented in an edited together form that turned it into one big film – and wow did it work in that regard. For those waiting for a lot more action again on The Clone Wars, let me say that these are the episodes you've been looking for. The villains get a huge spotlight here, with major storylines and scenarios for Count Dooku, Asajj Ventress and, of course, the brand new character, Savage Opress.
As you've probably heard, Opress is the successor to Darth Maul, brought into the storyline after a big turn of events between Dooku and Ventress. Without going into detail about all that occurs, I'll say that these episodes delve into Ventress' backstory, while also showing the origin of Savage, voiced by The Kurgan himself, Clancy Brown. Written by Katie Lucas (yes, that's George's daughter) this is strong, compelling and dark material that is one of the best storylines the series has delved into.
There are a ton of fight scenes, including several for Ventress that show just how formidable she can be with or without a lightsaber. But when it comes to lightsaber fights especially, Star Wars fans should love what these episodes offer, as there are a ton of notable ones, the majority of which involve three participants.
While Ventress and Savage both have some great material here, these episodes also are an awesome spotlight for Count Dooku. Multiple lightsaber battles for the man also known as Darth Tyranus prove just how much of a bad ass he can be – perhaps best displayed during a scene first shown last summer at Star Wars Celebration V, where Dooku has been drugged and is fighting against three invisible, lightsaber wielding opponents, and yet still proves to be one hell of a difficult guy to take down.
As someone who loves The Clone Wars, I have found myself among those frustrated by Season 3, which has been so top heavy with politically themed episodes, seemingly one after the other, many of which have failed to come alive (there have been exceptions, such as the strong "Heroes on Both Sides"). But this Savage Opress storyline is exactly the kick in the pants this season has needed, veering back into stories of both Jedi and Sith -- Yes, Obi-Wan and Anakin are part of this storyline, though they are truly supporting players to the villains this time out -- and just how dangerous the Dark Side of the Force can be.
The Los Angeles screening, which is one of many being held in several cities across the country this month, was capped off by a preview highlighting the rest of Season 3, following the Opress story. There was no dialogue, just a lot of cool imagery, including plenty more Jedi action, such as the Clone Wars debut of prequel character Even Piell. However, it was the very end of the trailer that will have fans talking the most. And this probably warrants its own spoiler warning...
We see Anakin screaming, "No!" and then a shot of a furious looking Ahsoka, holding her ignited lightsaber, and leaping off a ledge and seemingly attacking Anakin - who is standing down below her, holding his lightsaber at the ready.
Yeah, my interest was piqued by that one!
The Savage Opress episodes of The Clone Wars air in January on Cartoon Network. Look for my individual episode reviews then.
Now, that sounds like my kind of "Star Wars!"
Found a nice article here on the screening and some pics.
http://www.galacticbinder.com/pclone-wars-savage-opress-screening.html (http://www.galacticbinder.com/pclone-wars-savage-opress-screening.html)
Just watched last Friday's episode and it was the conclusion to the senate debate and it was pretty.. really liked the biker chase.. and I've always been a big Padame supporter. But I do miss the Jedi. But it sounds like when it comes back next year some big things will be happening.
I love this show, but where's Anakin been off to? I miss him and Ventress. Love it when they fight! More sabers the better! :)
OMG... they just released the trailer for the second half of Season 3 and it's AWESOME!!!! gives me chills each time I watch it, and i've watched it like six times so far.. the final scene.. WOW!!!
THIS IS STAR WARS THE CLONE WARS!!!!!
http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/12/14/star-wars-the-clone-wars-trailer-an-ew-exclusive/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/12/14/star-wars-the-clone-wars-trailer-an-ew-exclusive/)
I heard the Savage Opress epsiodes screened were AMAZING!
NO! I don't want this. I want more tainted food, trade embargo's, banking talk, and politicians giving speeches! Oh wait - that's on CNN, not the CN. ;)
Quote from: Rico on December 14, 2010, 12:29:27 PM
NO! I don't want this. I want more tainted food, trade embargo's, banking talk, and politicians giving speeches! Oh wait - that's on CNN, not the CN. ;)
I AGREE! More politicians! More backdoor deals!
;)
King
Who am I kidding? This is frakking awesome!!!
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 3-2011 Teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpGFYcv0uK4#ws)
Oh wow.. someone put it up on youtube.. wonder if it will stay up long.. suppose to be an EW exclusive. Enjoy it while we can.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on December 14, 2010, 05:54:55 PM
Oh wow.. someone put it up on youtube.. wonder if it will stay up long.. suppose to be an EW exclusive. Enjoy it while we can.
There no such thing as exclusive on the internets! ;)
Quote from: Rico on December 14, 2010, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on December 14, 2010, 05:54:55 PM
Oh wow.. someone put it up on youtube.. wonder if it will stay up long.. suppose to be an EW exclusive. Enjoy it while we can.
There no such thing as exclusive on the internets! ;)
That's true.. but if Lucas films hears about it they can have youtube pull it.. we use to do that with The Guild all the time.
I think Kevin Kiner is doing a good job but.....John Williams makes the Clone Wars seem that much more awesome in my opinion and that's just based on the trailers. There mere 1 minute of music just sent goosebumps down my spine. I kinda wish it was John...
Oh well, awesome trailer :)
King
Clone Wars is back this Friday Jan 7th at a new time. 8:30 with the highly anticipated Nightsisters/Savage Opress storyline... I can't wait!!!!
Here is a preview clip of the upcoming episode..
The Clone Wars: "Nightsisters" - Season 3 Ep. 12 Preview Clip #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjzN_rHpZsk#ws)
Here's the trailer for the return of Clone Wars... the last shot is a "OMG how AWESOME" moment.
The Clone Wars Night Will Fall +melkor(SWP) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruBVatsVt0s#ws)
Here's one more scene from the upcoming episode.
2nd Clip From Clone Wars Episode 3.12 'Nightsisters' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeL4zhC73C4#ws)
A & M at the SWAN podcast got to check out the 3 episode Nightsister arc; they said it renewed their faith in the Clone Wars series. This comes as good news to me, because their opinion on the show has closely mirrored my own. The most interesting thing they mentioned was [spoiler] the appearance of Darth Maul, who's supposed to be a recurring character...? [/spoiler]
Quote from: wraith1701 on January 04, 2011, 04:53:52 PM
[spoiler] the appearance of Darth Maul, who's supposed to be a recurring character...? [/spoiler]
[spoiler]It's actually not Darth Maul.. it's his brother Savage Opress[/spoiler]
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 04, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: wraith1701 on January 04, 2011, 04:53:52 PM
[spoiler] the appearance of Darth Maul, who's supposed to be a recurring character...? [/spoiler]
[spoiler]It's actually not Darth Maul.. it's his brother Savage Opress[/spoiler]
[spoiler] The interviewed the voice actor who plays Savage Opress AND the voice actor who plays Darth Maul in the show. Of course, it could have been a flashback, but some of the things they mentioned hinted that Maul would be somehow resurrected...[/spoiler] ;)
Quote from: wraith1701 on January 04, 2011, 05:01:26 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 04, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: wraith1701 on January 04, 2011, 04:53:52 PM
[spoiler] the appearance of Darth Maul, who's supposed to be a recurring character...? [/spoiler]
[spoiler]It's actually not Darth Maul.. it's his brother Savage Opress[/spoiler]
[spoiler] The interviewed the voice actor who plays Savage Opress AND the voice actor who plays Darth Maul in the show. Of course, it could have been a flashback, but some of the things they mentioned hinted that Maul would be somehow resurrected...[/spoiler] ;)
[spoiler]It's possible.. I saw a statue from Sideshow that had Darth Mauls upper body with these huge spider like mechanical legs.. looked pretty cool[/spoiler]
:) ^Yep; I've seen that. It was based on a story from Star Wars Tales; a comic anthology that depicted many "what if" or "alternate universe" Star Wars stories.
Regardless of whether or not the above pans out, I'm once again thinking about giving the series another try. Despite what some detractors might say (and I admit, I'm sometimes one of them) the series seems to try and stay close to the spirit of Star Wars as us older folks remember it. It would be cool if the show actually takes us up to the events of Episode III.
Quote from: wraith1701 on January 04, 2011, 05:28:14 PM
It would be cool if the show actually takes us up to the events of Episode III.
Well that is the plan..
I have loved every episode of Clone Wars.. some more then others.. but every week I get to enjoy another little slice of one of my favorite universes in the world.
Eric is right, I heard the same thing about that spoiler. It's gonna be great!
Don't forget a new Clone Wars tonight..
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 07, 2011, 05:16:20 PM
Don't forget a new Clone Wars tonight..
My iTunes account eagerly awaits :)
King
Loved this most recent episode. We got to learn a lot about Ventress, great fight scenes, battles, witches, etc. Now, this is what the Clone Wars should be!
Quote from: Rico on January 09, 2011, 01:18:19 PM
Loved this most recent episode. We got to learn a lot about Ventress, great fight scenes, battles, witches, etc. Now, this is what the Clone Wars should be!
But Rico! Didn't you love the Tea episode? Oh right, your a Gatorade person, thinking of someone else ;)
Yes, this last episode was awesome. This is Clone Wars.
King
I am so excited for this story arc and this episode delivers!
The last episode was awesome!
I really love Ventress. I think it really would have been cool to see a bad-ass female Sith in the prequels. Much more fun than old Dooku!
People who claim there has been no decent Star wars since the original trilogy really should sit up and take notice of this latest episode and what promises to be a great story arc.....I was in absolute awe. Especially compared to the first half of season 3!! Great stuff!!
Quote from: Rico on January 09, 2011, 02:01:55 PM
I really love Ventress. I think it really would have been cool to see a bad-ass female Sith in the prequels. Much more fun than old Dooku!
Couldn't agree more. She's a very complex and interesting character and this arc is really bringing that out.
Very cool episode. FINALLY; some 'official' background on Ventress and some solid character development with her, Sidious, and Dooku. Speaking of Dooku, it was nice to see him in action. Dude can kick some butt. ;D
I agree with what you are all saying... but I did enjoy the first half of the season 3 but happy to see some action. I thought it was cool to find out that Ventress and Darth Maul were of the same race of people.
This weeks episode felt like it was five minute long... Loved Savage Opress.. he was bad ass and he looked awesome.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 10, 2011, 12:34:04 PM
I agree with what you are all saying... but I did enjoy the first half of the season 3 but happy to see some action. I thought it was cool to find out that Ventress and Darth Maul were of the same race of people.
While they are on the same planet, I'm pretty sure they aren't of the same race. Maul and Savage are Zabrak and the females are human. I think they are more like men in service to the Night Sisters. In the books, they like to keep male slaves and breeding stock. Even the Witches that are on the light side follow these traditions.
I think that this is more a case of the Night Sisters having a different species as allies. At least I hope they haven't went against all of the books and guides.
Yeah, I believe the retcon on that has the Zabraks coming to Dathomir at some point in the past from their home world. Loved the episode and would love to see some new EU novels come out exploring this whole process of selection and how Darth Maul came to be.
Good episode and some awesome fights. Savage Oppress is pretty nasty. But I have a few questions/issues....
First, when Dooku shows up to visit the Night Sisters why don't they just take him out then? Why go to all the bother with giving Dooku a new apprentice??
And Oppress doesn't seem to have the force. Sorry, but again I find it touch hard to believe how quickly he takes out two Jedi. Darth Maul I had no issue with. He was very well trained, had good mastery of the darkside of the force and was a believable foe. I know they need to give the Jedi opponents but without the force, it always makes me have a hard time buying it. I have had the same trouble with Cad Bane.
I'm not sure that the Nigh Sisters want to take out Dooku, Ventress wants her revenge but Mother Talzin seems to have a different agenda. In regards to fighting the Jedi, yeah he dispatches them pretty quick but for me it gets back to the old Superman debate. If Jedi are too good and can't be killed it looses any suspense.
Liam Neeson to voice Qui-Gon Jinn in 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' -- EXCLUSIVE VIDEO
by Christian Blauvelt
Liam Neeson is returning to that Galaxy Far, Far Away. EW has learned exclusively that the actor will reprise his Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace role as doomed Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn on Cartoon Network's Star Wars: The Clone Wars on Jan. 28 and again on Feb. 11. He'll be voicing Qui-Gon, who appears to Obi-Wan Kenobi in visions, in a three-part arc about his former protégé Anakin Skywalker's destiny as the Chosen One.
Though The Clone Wars has featured a number of high-profile guest-stars, including Seth Green, George Takei, Michael York, Ron Perlman, Clancy Brown, and director Jon Favreau, Neeson is by far the biggest name yet attached to the series (airing Friday nights at 8:30 pm ET). Considering the backlash against The Phantom Menace, and Neeson's string of post-Star Wars critical and box-office hits, to voice a character on The Clone Wars might seem to be an unexpected — and even brave — move. But his connection to the saga runs deeper. Neeson tells EW he wanted to return to Star Wars because he felt that "these characters resonate...even after all these years." He adds, "Growing up, my heroes were cowboys; they were strong and mysterious, and it seemed like they always rode off into the sunset. For kids today, Star Wars has that same kind of magic. I really wanted to be a part of that." And he still is.
To help you geek out in advance, here's an exclusive clip from Neeson's first episode as he, in spectral form, confronts his former Padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi. And be sure to check out our weekly Clone Wars recaps!
It won't let me embed the video.. so go to this link to watch it.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01/20/liam-neeson-star-wars-clone-wars-exclusive/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01/20/liam-neeson-star-wars-clone-wars-exclusive/)
AEWSOME! I heard on the ForceCast Dave Filloni sayed two film acotos would be doing voice work and appearing in the Clone Wars this season!
Wow, this 3 story arc was incredible. Last nights episode was thrilling.
Yep - really cool episode last night. Great fights, lightsaber battles, all very exciting stuff. And it doesn't seem to be over by a long shot too.
Wow, who got chills when[spoiler] Darth Maul appeared? That is Darth Maul right? Wonder how he survived that fall... but WOW that really was just an awesome episode.[/spoiler] This three-part-arc has totally made up for the not-so-greatness here as of late.
Btw, Dooku kicks a lot of ass, really shows how powerful he is.
King
The answer King is yes and we shall see!
Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2011, 06:19:23 PM
The answer King is yes and we shall see!
You sure about that?! If so, I think that is a terrible idea.
Yeah, it was actually spoiled in SW Insider mag last month. Who did you think it was? it will be interesting to see ho they explain it, but I don't mind the idea. When it comes to SW nothing is set in stone. Until GL kicks the bucket!
Cruise by TheForce.net or Rebelscum.com or TheForcecast.com, it's the talk of the town!
Quote from: Rico on January 22, 2011, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2011, 06:19:23 PM
The answer King is yes and we shall see!
You sure about that?! If so, I think that is a terrible idea.
I totally agree.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2011, 07:41:01 PM
Yeah, it was actually spoiled in SW Insider mag last month. Who did you think it was? it will be interesting to see ho they explain it, but I don't mind the idea. When it comes to SW nothing is set in stone. Until GL kicks the bucket!
Cruise by TheForce.net or Rebelscum.com or TheForcecast.com, it's the talk of the town!
Still, an awful idea. There is no need for it. And it completely dilutes what has happened before. These guys need a little more imagination.
Quote from: Rico on January 23, 2011, 05:33:27 AM
Still, an awful idea. There is no need for it. And it completely dilutes what has happened before. These guys need a little more imagination.
Reaction had been mixed, although more positive than I would have thought on those forums. Like I mentioned, I don't mind too much. I found Han shooting first much more egregious for some reason. I posted on TheForceCast forums that I didn't feel this cheapened what came before..
[spoiler]In TPM. Dead or left for dead is somewhat immaterial to the story and it establishes Obi-wan has a habit of leaving bad guys for dead only to have them come back and cause ail sort of trouble! :D[/spoiler]
We are likely not going to see anymore of this arc this season if I had to guess, so this will be brewing' for a while.
Great episode this week.. a nice way to end or begin this story. Really liked how much power (force) Savage Opress has, he was throwing people around like they were nothing.. I mean Dooku, Obiwan, Annikan and Ventress are not weak with the force and he over powered them all. Looking forward to seeing where his story go and I like Bryan is cool with the idea they revealed at the very end of the story.. it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I loved this latest episode....as for my opinion on the rights or wrongs of the ending. I think it was totally right.
Dave Filloni is a fan of the EU and as such, he tries to keep Clones Wars story lines away from contradicting the novels. It's only when Lucas insists that we find things like the Mandalorian books are no longer canon in the Star wars universe. This episode has managed to support a popular EU storyline and it has also
[spoiler]given us back Darth Maul. A character who most people say was amazing and despatched of too quickly in the movies[/spoiler]
I'm glad of the way it ended and can't wait to see how it all goes.
So...
[spoiler] Maul, who got cut in half lives, but Qui Gon, who got poked in the chest dies? Then for some reason, the Jedi don't recover the body for clues about who this new sith lord is or if they can get some info off him com unit? The inclusion of Maul seems like lazy story telling at best and fanboy wish fulfillment at worse. It honestly feels like some fan fic by someone that decided they wanted to use Maul. Savage kills his brother and then gets happy that he has another one? How about not killing the first one? He also says Ventress betrayed him, but all she did was insult him and he attacked her first? It was a very action packed story, but it works better when you don't look to far into it.[/spoiler]
Quote from: X on January 23, 2011, 11:19:54 AM
So...
[spoiler] Maul, who got cut in half lives, but Qui Gon, who got poked in the chest dies? Then for some reason, the Jedi don't recover the body for clues about who this new sith lord is or if they can get some info off him com unit? The inclusion of Maul seems like lazy story telling at best and fanboy wish fulfillment at worse. It honestly feels like some fan fic by someone that decided they wanted to use Maul. Savage kills his brother and then gets happy that he has another one? How about not killing the first one? He also says Ventress betrayed him, but all she did was insult him and he attacked her first? It was a very action packed story, but it works better when you don't look to far into it.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Ventress "betraying" him, don't they always say that? "Oh he/she betrayed me". That could really mean anything. What he could have meant is that Ventress failed to kill Dooku and left him battered and left to die for the Jedi who came in after Dooku left. From his perspective he may think she sent them to finish him off after being beaten pretty badly. So that wasn't really that far off.
Darth Maul...really, we don't know enough. It may just be his spirit. He may be kept alive only the waist up. Its hard to say at this point. I'm reserving judgment till we actually see him. This is the Star Wars universe after all.[/spoiler]
King
King, there was a toy at comicon that will show you what's going on.
Quote from: X on January 23, 2011, 11:36:14 AM
King, there was a toy at comicon that will show you what's going on.
Again, reserving judgment. [spoiler]And really, what is so bad with bringing Darth Maul back? Yes, it does cut down on the sacrifice of the first movie, but you dislike that movie anyway ;). Would it really be so wrong to have another go at it with Darth Maul? So what if the Jedi don't always win in the end, it makes the story better in my opinion but we still don't know enough. I doubt GL is bringing him back for no reason. He hasn't broken movie continuity so far. [/spoiler]
King
Quote from: X on January 23, 2011, 11:36:14 AM
King, there was a toy at comicon that will show you what's going on.
Maybe, that's certainly a possibility. As I recall that figure form the STAR WARS Infinities comic was pretty popular. Although I think King makes some good point above in his comments, we really don't know how this will manifest itself yet. Clearly the Nightsisters have introduced magic into the SW universe, so anything is possible.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2011, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: X on January 23, 2011, 11:36:14 AM
King, there was a toy at comicon that will show you what's going on.
Maybe, that's certainly a possibility. As I recall that figure form the STAR WARS Infinities comic was pretty popular. Although I think King makes some good point above in his comments, we really don't know how this will manifest itself yet. Clearly the Nightsisters have introduced magic into the SW universe, so anything is possible.
Magic has always been in the EU, but I get what you're saying. What I don't get is how someone who has had zero force training in their life and no signs of the force suddenly being able to do what they did with only a little training. Did the magic give him the force? If so, why not make more people with that spell? I mean if you can turn joe nobody into a force wielding super-soldier that can take out a Jedi master with zero force skills or force training and who couldn't take out the apprentice of an apprentice, why stop at one?
Why not make everyone a super-sith and take over for yourselves.
Like I said, the story makes sense only if you don't think about it.
I asked that question over on the ForceCast forums and was told it was EU canon that Zabraks are born Force sensitive.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2011, 01:59:05 PM
I asked that question over on the ForceCast forums and was told it was EU canon that Zabraks are born Force sensitive.
I'd disagree with that answer, because there have already been some on Clone wars and in novels without the force. There isn't anything that says that they are all born with the force. We also don't see them using the force at all when they were getting killed in the testing process. I know they have the potential for the force but I don't see them all having the force. Human are also born force sensitive, but not everyone of the is. I'm talking about the training itself. The Jedi didn't want to train Anakin because he was too old. When Luke got his training and he's supposed to be really strong in the force. It took him years to master the abilities.
Well, with advent of the Midichlorines creating Force sensitivity and acumen seems to vary between individuals. Not that I love that construct, but it is what we have. The decision to bring this dude back comes from GL, we need to ride with it at this point.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
Well, with advent of the Midichlorines creating Force sensitivity and acumen seems to vary between individuals. Not that I love that construct, but it is what we have. The decision to bring this dude back comes from GL, we need to ride with it at this point.
You are 100% correct. I guess I hit the point where I think Star Wars is better when Lucas isn't taking a direct hand in it. I also don't see the reason of destroying the EU book by book when they could take it as a opportunity to highlight the EU. I think that the Clone Wars could be a fantastic platform for getting kids to read all of the old novels. Instead of building on that rich history, they are taking the concepts from in in ways that invalidate the books. This is a huge missed opportunity.
I hear what you are saying and in the abstract agree. However, the EU has never been GL's vision for the franchise and I appreciate the opportunity to see his vision. I love the EU, but it needs to stay on the sidelines a bit. The reason this reveal at the end of the episode doesn't bother me is that I don't cling to specific constructs, I just go with the flow. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
I hear what you are saying and in the abstract agree. However, the EU has never been GL's vision for the franchise and I appreciate the opportunity to see his vision. I love the EU, but it needs to stay on the sidelines a bit. The reason this reveal at the end of the episode doesn't bother me is that I don't cling to specific constructs, I just go with the flow. :)
I see what you're saying, but if they aren't going to respect the EU, why steal the concepts and ideas from it and then bastardize them? I think my biggest problem with this is that we just got to see Dathomir in one of the Fate of the Jedi books. We were on the world a whole book and it was made last year. Now that info doesn't work because they are just stealing EU ideas out of context. How hard would it have been to just make a tribe of female Zabrek that lived on another world and did the whole thing? Instead, they use human night sisters so that they can connect Ventress to them and they come out of left field to create the Nightbrothers so that they could put Maul on the board.
I think anyone here on the board could have come out with a better plot to bring Maul into the CW and create Savage. It just strikes me of really lazy and insulting to the people that are writing the books. And it's not like GL isn't poking his head into the books. He gave the mandate to have Anakin Solo killed off halfway into the Vong War books when they started them knowing that Anakin and not Jacen would be the big bad of the next series. So they had to shift the bad to Jacen because of the vision of GL. Which was more character assassination than anything else. Nothing happens in the EU with the permission of Lucas. You would think that having that go ahead would keep things from getting screwed up, but ....
"When I met your father, he was a great pilot in the Clone Wars"
Quote from: X on January 23, 2011, 04:16:49 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
I hear what you are saying and in the abstract agree. However, the EU has never been GL's vision for the franchise and I appreciate the opportunity to see his vision. I love the EU, but it needs to stay on the sidelines a bit. The reason this reveal at the end of the episode doesn't bother me is that I don't cling to specific constructs, I just go with the flow. :)
I see what you're saying, but if they aren't going to respect the EU, why steal the concepts and ideas from it and then bastardize them? I think my biggest problem with this is that we just got to see Dathomir in one of the Fate of the Jedi books. We were on the world a whole book and it was made last year. Now that info doesn't work because they are just stealing EU ideas out of context. How hard would it have been to just make a tribe of female Zabrek that lived on another world and did the whole thing? Instead, they use human night sisters so that they can connect Ventress to them and they come out of left field to create the Nightbrothers so that they could put Maul on the board.
I think anyone here on the board could have come out with a better plot to bring Maul into the CW and create Savage. It just strikes me of really lazy and insulting to the people that are writing the books. And it's not like GL isn't poking his head into the books. He gave the mandate to have Anakin Solo killed off halfway into the Vong War books when they started them knowing that Anakin and not Jacen would be the big bad of the next series. So they had to shift the bad to Jacen because of the vision of GL. Which was more character assassination than anything else. Nothing happens in the EU with the permission of Lucas. You would think that having that go ahead would keep things from getting screwed up, but ....
"When I met your father, he was a great pilot in the Clone Wars"
This is such a touchy subject really. I don't view the EU as important from my side because I'm not invested in it at all. Ultimately, these writers are writing in GL's universe and he has final say on what is canon and what isn't. (That's just how it is) To say that the EU is more important than GL is ridiculous at best. What I have seen from the EU are a lot of....well, meh novels.......................
*Edit* Nvm, really this discussion has probably been beaten to death on the Force Cast forums and its not one I want to get into due to not being invested in the EU. Suffice to say that I view the EU as a source of Star Wars material that isn't important to the Star Wars universe as a whole. There are some good books there, but there is quite a few bad books there as well. Thus this argument could go ugly fast.
And I had no idea about the Anakin thing.
King
Well, the EU, as a licensed LF property, is subject to the intellectual property rights of LF. As such, it is subject to whatever the creative whims of LF, regardless of how one may feel about it. Some have issue, but as of now, a lot of fans do not. Do the kids within CW get upset about this stuff? Likely not. We need to share SW with multiple generations.
Bryan - there are always going to be things in any project that some people like and some don't like. Even if it's all "approved" by the head guy, be it Lucas, Roddenberry, Whedon, etc. There are certainly things in Trek that I didn't like. The same is true for "Star Wars." Also, even if 99% of the fans/public like it and I don't that is still fine. Everyone is entitled to their informed opinion. So, on the surface I don't care for this idea. But who knows, maybe it will be done in an interesting and valid way. Everyone just needs to keep in mind there is no right or wrong here. It's all just our own opinions and views.
I'm a big fan of the EU, I collect EU novels, sourcebooks etc. I agree Lucas can do what he wants, I agree that a lot of Star Wars EU isn't even very good. However I also agree with X, Using the nightsisters and Dathomir was just lazy. The planet holds no importance whatsoever outside of the EU, most Star Wars fans have never even heard of it. Why not just come up with a different planet? It's not as though it HAD to be Dathmoir and it HAD to be the Nightsisters (who in Courship of Princess Leia were NOT and ancient order of anything, they were witches that had been exiled for touching the dark side).
It's a little bit frustrating.
Quote from: Rico on January 24, 2011, 05:46:58 AM
Bryan - there are always going to be things in any project that some people like and some don't like. Even if it's all "approved" by the head guy, be it Lucas, Roddenberry, Whedon, etc. There are certainly things in Trek that I didn't like. The same is true for "Star Wars." Also, even if 99% of the fans/public like it and I don't that is still fine. Everyone is entitled to their informed opinion. So, on the surface I don't care for this idea. But who knows, maybe it will be done in an interesting and valid way. Everyone just needs to keep in mind there is no right or wrong here. It's all just our own opinions and views.
I'm not clear why this is addrssed to me, I don't recall juding any of this right or wrong. ???
I killed many a Nightsister on Dath playing Star Wars Galaxies. The images of the planet looked like they came right from the game actually. That game was a LucasArts property so I guess it is blessed canon (maybe not G canon).
I have to agree that I am not pleased with Maul returning. Not only was he cut in half, he went down the reactor shaft. So the only way he could return would be as a glowie, and it has never been shown that Sith know how to do that. Heck, even Yoda did not know how to do that until Qui Gon showed him in Episode III, right?
Quote from: billybob476 on January 24, 2011, 06:01:44 AM
I'm a big fan of the EU, I collect EU novels, sourcebooks etc. I agree Lucas can do what he wants, I agree that a lot of Star Wars EU isn't even very good. However I also agree with X, Using the nightsisters and Dathomir was just lazy. The planet holds no importance whatsoever outside of the EU, most Star Wars fans have never even heard of it. Why not just come up with a different planet? It's not as though it HAD to be Dathmoir and it HAD to be the Nightsisters (who in Courship of Princess Leia were NOT and ancient order of anything, they were witches that had been exiled for touching the dark side).
It's a little bit frustrating.
That's exactly my problem! I don't care if they make new stories. What I don't like is how they destroy the stuff in the novels because they are lazy. It's like they take a look at the encyclopedia and pick a planet to screw over each season. There are thousands of worlds out there, but instead of being creative and using that, they are lazy. They don't think about the entire situation and it is pretty clear that they are butchering the EU for no reason.
Again anyone could have come up with a bunch of ways to pull Maul into the Ventress story. Something as simple as Sidious' new #1 man hearing rumor that Maul survived and then trying to put him down because of the Rule of Two.
Instead we get Opress, who is kinda cool if not bordering on Mary Sue. Dooku has to kill Ventress because his master feels that she is getting too powerful. The solution? Get someone new that already rivals her power without any training.
That's just sloppy, but it's also par for the course. Star Wars works better when you don't think of it. A small group of rebels manage to kill the emperor and create galaxy wide celebrations like the military is going to just stand down and in a place where the senate no longer exists to put them into power.
I am enjoying this season, but I think ignorance is bliss with this series. You probably get better mileage out of it if you haven't seen anything else.
Quote from: RickPeete on January 24, 2011, 06:15:59 AM
I killed many a Nightsister on Dath playing Star Wars Galaxies. The images of the planet looked like they came right from the game actually. That game was a LucasArts property so I guess it is blessed canon (maybe not G canon).
I have to agree that I am not pleased with Maul returning. Not only was he cut in half, he went down the reactor shaft. So the only way he could return would be as a glowie, and it has never been shown that Sith know how to do that. Heck, even Yoda did not know how to do that until Qui Gon showed him in Episode III, right?
Yeah, for the game, they were given the visuals of the show ahead of time. In the books, the nightsisters are secret and on the run from the other witches. They can't afford to have fancy bases with giant statues that scream "here we are.".
Right, I know people are still reeling from what they did to the Mandalorians last season. IMO that was much more egregious then this. That change brought an entire EU book series that was currently IN PROGRESS to a halt and caused Karen Traviss to quit writing Star Wars alltogether. I really, really enjoyed the Republic Commando novels and again, that whole story arc was in no way dependent on taking place on Mandalore, it could have been any planet.
Quote from: billybob476 on January 24, 2011, 06:26:56 AM
Right, I know people are still reeling from what they did to the Mandalorians last season. IMO that was much more egregious then this. That change brought an entire EU book series that was currently IN PROGRESS to a halt and caused Karen Traviss to quit writing Star Wars alltogether. I really, really enjoyed the Republic Commando novels and again, that whole story arc was in no way dependent on taking place on Mandalore, it could have been any planet.
That's why I have to laugh because Dathomir was a key focus in the novels released just last year. They made void the contents of a story that is still in progress. Gotta love the respect they give the readers.
The revised movie ending completely erased the need for the Rogue Squadron novels and Bacta Wars.
Sure, it's only books. Sure, there are different levels of canon. However, don't sell me on a franchise of books as the future of the Star Wars universe and then move to make those contents wrong in the eyes of the great continuity. It feels like a bait and switch. Here is what happens next gets transformed into high priced fanfic and that's wrong IMHO. GL said that Star Wars depends on the three pillars. Him the father, Ron Hoffman the ghost, and the fans the holy spirit. When you go out of you way to screw up the books, you sort of crap on the holy spirit. The people that were buying books and keeping the dream alive in the decades where there were no new movies or tv shows. How about a thanks for sticking in and buying stuff from my universe instead of oh we screwed you over here too for no reason? It's okay to take the names and concepts from the EU, but is there some mandate that they must be butchered and used it invalidate the source material?
Wow.. so much hate going on.. I just enjoy Star Wars for what it is.. a fun entertaining show. I don't understand why people can't just take the movies/cartoon/live action as one universe and the books/comic books as another universe.
I don't think anyone's 'hating' anything. We've had a bit of mild disapproval expressed but nothing stornger.
As to your question, I think people can take them as seperate universes, I just don't think they see why they should have to when a bit of work on the writers part would have avoided the problem altogether.
Anything is possible, look at the effort that ST went to to explain the Prime and Alternate universes.
I haven't seen season 3 yet, much less read the EU books, but I do get hung up on this sort of stuff. It's just the way I am.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 24, 2011, 08:31:57 AM
Wow.. so much hate going on.. I just enjoy Star Wars for what it is.. a fun entertaining show. I don't understand why people can't just take the movies/cartoon/live action as one universe and the books/comic books as another universe.
I wouldn't confuse passion for hate. I appreciate that people have vested a lot of emotional, intellectual, and financial capital into the EU and are defensive of any alteration to it. And although they would would rather have their vision of SW incorporated into GL's canon, they also understand it's his party. I appreciate what Chris and Joe are saying and would suggest they don't "hate" Clone Wars they just "wish" it could be more incorporating of the EU. It's not, it's not going to be, I think that ship has sailed. When GL looks at SW, the Holy Trilogy is his story, the EU, and the licencing. He doesn't care about the EU in any meaningful way and I get that and don't take umbrage in that position. He's telling a whole different story that's only in his head.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 24, 2011, 08:31:57 AM
Wow.. so much hate going on.. I just enjoy Star Wars for what it is.. a fun entertaining show. I don't understand why people can't just take the movies/cartoon/live action as one universe and the books/comic books as another universe.
It's pretty simple. I know you love the movies and you are invested in them. If someone did something to make the movies no longer matter in the story, it would be upsetting right? That's how some of the people reading the books feel. We were sold stories that were suppose to comprise the story before, during, and after the movies. Now, we're being told that these stories don't actually count. Stories that are still coming out are now invalid in the greater context of the epic. Not only are they taking from the EU, they are butchering what they take. I think that's the more insulting part of it all. People who bought the books invested a lot of cash into knowing what happens next in Star Wars and that's being undermined without rhyme or reason. None of the storylines that have played in Clone Wars and ruined EU stories needed to be set in the places they were and could have delivered the same story for the kids without pissing on the book fans.
If it wasn't for the EU, we wouldn't have a lot of the place that are famous in Star Wars. We wouldn't have Coruscant, Mandalore, or Dathamir. If they are going to use from those sources, the least they could do is respect them. It's not like the kids would notice if these storylines took place on other worlds. They take things we recognize from the books, yet they destroy them in the process and that's unnecessary.
I also don't think this has anything to do with hate. It's disapointment. Lucas has gone on the record and said that the fans are part of what makes the universe. Why destroy why they were enjoying by invalidating it for no real reason? Without the books and games to keep the franchise alive, I don't think that there would have been a new trilogy. The people reading and playing helped to make the franchise more popular than ever. Their love of the written media help to get new toys made.
I have no problems seeing them as different universes. That's a good idea, but two problem with that. Books aren't allow to go against established canon unless the story is one that isn't canon. That means that when they steal from the EU to put into the CW in was that don't match, the books are not valid any more. Is it that hard to just pick another name for a world or match it to the rest of the EU?
There's no hate coming from me :)
I've tried writing this post three times now and I can't really properly put it into words. The reason I don't take it as two separate universes is because we, as readers have been told by Lucas Licensing since 1995 that it is one cohesive universe. Huge strides were taken so that the books follow the movies and each other.
I enjoy Clone Wars, the fact that the Manadlorians are no longer awesome mercenaries with and incredibly intricate and strong culture, or that there is no Singing Mountain Clan that rides Rancors on Dathomir isn't going to take away from that, it just makes me a bit sad that Clone Wars does have to take away the legitimacy from those great stories that I was assured BY LUCAS were indeed offical, sanctioned and in-canon.
Quote from: Feathers on January 24, 2011, 09:04:20 AM
As to your question, I think people can take them as seperate universes, I just don't think they see why they should have to when a bit of work on the writers part would have avoided the problem altogether.
Exactly. Something as simple as not Mandalore and not Dathomir would have not negated years of story. I think they worked harder looking up the locations to butcher them than they would have spent creating new worlds in the first place.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 24, 2011, 09:06:03 AM
I appreciate what Chris and Joe are saying and would suggest they don't "hate" Clone Wars they just "wish" it could be more incorporating of the EU. It's not, it's not going to be, I think that ship has sailed. When GL looks at SW, the Holy Trilogy is his story, the EU, and the licencing. He doesn't care about the EU in any meaningful way and I get that and don't take umbrage in that position. He's telling a whole different story that's only in his head.
Totally agree with this up to the part where he's telling a story in his head. I don't think he has a story to tell. If he does, it's pretty interesting how he uses names and places created by others. I think he goes with what he thinks will line the coffers and right now, Clone Wars is a bigger money maker than the novels. So Uncle George is going to focus on that.
Quote from: billybob476 on January 24, 2011, 09:18:25 AM
I enjoy Clone Wars, the fact that the Manadlorians are no longer awesome mercenaries with and incredibly intricate and strong culture, or that there is no Singing Mountain Clan that rides Rancors on Dathomir isn't going to take away from that, it just makes me a bit sad that Clone Wars does have to take away the legitimacy from those great stories that I was assured BY LUCAS were indeed offical, sanctioned and in-canon.
Seconded.
Quote from: billybob476 on January 24, 2011, 09:18:25 AM
The reason I don't take it as two separate universes is because we, as readers have been told by Lucas Licensing since 1995 that it is one cohesive universe. Huge strides were taken so that the books follow the movies and each other.
Really? I ask becuase I'm not clear how or when Lucas Licensing actually expressed that or was it simply assumed?
Quote from: X on January 24, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Totally agree with this up to the part where he's telling a story in his head. I don't think he has a story to tell. If he does, it's pretty interesting how he uses names and places created by others. I think he goes with what he thinks will line the coffers and right now, Clone Wars is a bigger money maker than the novels. So Uncle George is going to focus on that.
See, here is where the EU fans loose me. I just can't get there from here. Same with people who hate, and they do HATE, the prequels. I just can't get that excised over the whole thing and lack the emotional energy to be that cynical about it.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 24, 2011, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on January 24, 2011, 09:18:25 AM
The reason I don't take it as two separate universes is because we, as readers have been told by Lucas Licensing since 1995 that it is one cohesive universe. Huge strides were taken so that the books follow the movies and each other.
Really? I ask becuase I'm not clear how or when Lucas Licensing actually expressed that or was it simply assumed?
Well, representatives of Lucas Licensing have stated that but in a lot of cases George himself says the opposite. Here's a good fairly quick read on the subject.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon)
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 24, 2011, 08:31:57 AM
Wow.. so much hate going on.. I just enjoy Star Wars for what it is.. a fun entertaining show. I don't understand why people can't just take the movies/cartoon/live action as one universe and the books/comic books as another universe.
I certainly don't see any hate. I see a pretty constructive conversation about an interesting topic. One of the tricky parts about "Star Wars" is there always has been so much written (books, comics, etc.) outside of the limited six movies we had until the animated series. So much had to be worked out and extrapolated. Heck, Tim Zahn's novels basically revived "Star Wars" and convinced Uncle George to make the prequels. So, I think for many it's maybe a bit harder to separate the two things. The books have certainly influenced what we have seen on screen.
The biggest thing about bringing Maul back to me is "Star Wars" has generally meant dead is dead. A little "Force Ghost" is ok, but Obi-Wan chopped the guy in half and he fell down a reactor shaft. I mean, that's pretty darn dead to me.
Okay maybe hate was too strong a word (sorry).. more like disappointed.
I always have a hard time hearing people rip apart things I love (yes I know it's their opinion and everyone has the right to think whatever they want) but it doesn't mean I have to like it. I so dislike nitpickers... but to each his own.
I guess I'm just lucky that I don't care about those things.. I can just sit back, relax and escape into whatever world they want to bring me into.
Sometimes Kenny, I think my problem is I care too much. So something like this does bug me. But I'm willing to watch and see what they do with it.
Quote from: Rico on January 24, 2011, 10:33:31 AM
Sometimes Kenny, I think my problem is I care too much. So something like this does bug me. But I'm willing to watch and see what they do with it.
Just because it doesn't bother me.. doesn't mean I don't care about the subject. I love my sci fi and fantasy, but I'm also very good at not letting the details distract me from enjoying it.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 24, 2011, 10:30:56 AM
Okay maybe hate was too strong a word (sorry).. more like disappointed.
I always have a hard time hearing people rip apart things I love (yes I know it's their opinion and everyone has the right to think whatever they want) but it doesn't mean I have to like it. I so dislike nitpickers... but to each his own.
I guess I'm just lucky that I don't care about those things.. I can just sit back, relax and escape into whatever world they want to bring me into.
I honestly get what you're saying about ripping apart things you love, but that's exactly what's being done to the stories we read and grew up with. Someone decided to rip them apart and pick out things they wanted to use for Clone Wars. I also think that without people objecting to things that aren't right for them, the people putting things together don't learn from their experiences. Anyone can say great job what's next, but it's those comments critiquing the problems that helps to make the next thing better. Attack of the Clones is a direct result to fan outcry against the dreaded M word and Jar Jar. Lucas heard the complaint and altered his plans. It's obvious that he did because until Phantom menace came out, he was tell us that Jar Jar would be a major player in the series. He even kept that promise by having Jar Jar vote and change the galaxy, but Jar Jar isn't where Lucas had initially saw him.
I can not like parts of something and still enjoy it. I think that's actually my view on life as a whole. One is not exclusive of the other. I think it's great to not like aspects of something that you enjoy. I think that it's also pretty much accepted that the stronger the emotions you have about something, the more visceral the reaction.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 24, 2011, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 24, 2011, 10:33:31 AM
Sometimes Kenny, I think my problem is I care too much. So something like this does bug me. But I'm willing to watch and see what they do with it.
Just because it doesn't bother me.. doesn't mean I don't care about the subject. I love my sci fi and fantasy, but I'm also very good at not letting the details distract me from enjoying it.
Just to be clear, I wasn't saying anything related to you caring or not. I was just talking about myself, personally. I may not care much about who is in the Superbowl, but don't mess with my Trek or "Star Wars." ;)
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 24, 2011, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 24, 2011, 10:33:31 AM
Sometimes Kenny, I think my problem is I care too much. So something like this does bug me. But I'm willing to watch and see what they do with it.
Just because it doesn't bother me.. doesn't mean I don't care about the subject. I love my sci fi and fantasy, but I'm also very good at not letting the details distract me from enjoying it.
Yeah, I don't think being able to enjoy the series without having these continuity issues means you "care" more or less. I devour SW content in books and media and feel the more the merrier regardless of revisions. I actually think I am WAY more critical than either you or Rico when it comes to entertainment!
Right, as I said, I still really enjoy Clone Wars. I'm not one to hate something blindly. It is great for what it is and despite the fact it's doing some things to the EU I don't really appreciate.
I love Star Wars, I can look past things but it doesn't mean I can't have a reasonable conversation about them.
For what it's worth my 8 year old son says (of Maul coming back) "Is George Lucas doing that? What is he thinking? Doesn't he know that he died in the first film? His brother would be acceptable, but Darth Maul? No!" He wants me to send a message to George pointing out the mistake!
He also wants to know if Sith can do the 'glowy thing' like dead Jedi.
(Prequals have just aired again over here. Sam is turning into quite the Star Wars geek.)
But hasn't Maul already returned in the EU, with robot legs and everything?
I personally think he is one of the coolest characters from the Star Wars universe and one that many, myself included, thought was a wasted opportunity when he was "offed" so easily and quickly. A right wasted opportunity. If Filloni can find a way to bring him back, I'm more than happy. As for the reality of him surviving the fall in 2 seperate pieces....I'm sure it can be explained one way or another. It may not be very realistic...but then, neither is the Star Wars universe itself.
Before we continue the carving-up-Lucas-game again, I'd like to point out that the EU is just as guilty as killing/saving important characters. I've heard that in the EU, Mace Windu isn't dead and survived the fall, but was less in power.
King
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 24, 2011, 01:10:56 PM
Before we continue the carving-up-Lucas-game again, I'd like to point out that the EU is just as guilty as killing/saving important characters. I've heard that in the EU, Mace Windu isn't dead and survived the fall, but was less in power.
King
You heard wrong about Mace. I think you might want to fact check before saying the EU is guilty. They did bring the Emperor back, but only by putting his spirit in a clone body and the darkside ate away at said body. They went out of their way to make sure that it matched the movies and had Sidious go into the darkside and that energy pulse was part of that. They integrated their story with available material. They didn't cut him in half and bring him back in the same ... well mostly the same body.
Maul and others have returned in the infinities lines, but those aren't canon and your basic what if stories to give writers a license to write stories that don't matter or interfere with the EU.
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on January 24, 2011, 01:10:56 PM
I'd like to point out that the EU is just as guilty as killing/saving important characters.
King
On this subject, the EU can't kill important characters from the movies unless George sends down a mandate. That's how Chewie died and they even address the idea of many of the main characters not dying when they should in the story. However the EU has killed numerous important characters that were born in the EU. Anakin Solo, Jacen Solo, and Mara Jade are only a few of the big names that got killed.
I think Forcecast summed it up best this last week. There isn't one set canon. There is GL and EU and T- canon and a whole host of other stuff....
...I think it's best to try and think of the different areas as seperate. The comics stand alone. The novels stand alone. The Tv show stands alone. The movies etc....
It's nice if one backs up another....but don't expect it!
WOW. Tonights episode was the most interesting, mind bending, episode of ANY Star Wars I have ever seen.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 28, 2011, 06:12:59 PM
WOW. Tonights episode was the most interesting, mind bending, episode of ANY Star Wars I have ever seen.
Oh man I still have a few hours before I can watch it.. can't wait!!!!
Star Wars on Pandora!
That was hot! That 30 minutes made the prequels worth watching.
Wow!!!
Quote from: Bryancd on January 28, 2011, 06:50:11 PM
Star Wars on Pandora!
That was my initial thoughts :)
Great episode. May give good reason for the prophecy not coming true. Also, I'm glad that Qui Gon
[spoiler]appears to have been a false vision and not a visit from the genuine article....at least, as far as Obiwan is concerned. In Revenge Of The Sith, he doesn't yet know about Qui Gon's Force ghost ability until Yoda tells him[/spoiler]
Very cool episode last night. I'm glad they are getting back to showing how truly powerful Anakin is. Very cool stuff.
[spoiler]I didn't take the Qui-Gon force ghost as not being the real deal. This is just another example of them playing a bit loose with canon.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on January 29, 2011, 08:37:05 AM
Very cool episode last night. I'm glad they are getting back to showing how truly powerful Anakin is. Very cool stuff.
[spoiler]I didn't take the Qui-Gon force ghost as not being the real deal. This is just another example of them playing a bit loose with canon.[/spoiler]
I'm not saying that the Qui Gon [spoiler] ghost wasn't real. Just that Obi Wan could have assumed it to be a false vision. Especially after Ahsoka's vision of her future self and Anakin's vision of his Mother. When he hears about that, he would assume that his visit by his former Master was also an impossible and false vision [/spoiler]
It would fit in with the movies better that way.
IMO of course ;)
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on January 29, 2011, 10:26:45 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 29, 2011, 08:37:05 AM
Very cool episode last night. I'm glad they are getting back to showing how truly powerful Anakin is. Very cool stuff.
[spoiler]I didn't take the Qui-Gon force ghost as not being the real deal. This is just another example of them playing a bit loose with canon.[/spoiler]
I'm not saying that the Qui Gon [spoiler] ghost wasn't real. Just that Obi Wan could have assumed it to be a false vision. Especially after Ahsoka's vision of her future self and Anakin's vision of his Mother. When he hears about that, he would assume that his visit by his former Master was also an impossible and false vision [/spoiler]
It would fit in with the movies better that way.
IMO of course ;)
Agreed and it would make his accepting the revelation as easy as he did so plausible.
Seems like a bit of a stretch to me. I thought you guys were previously saying to just keep each SW "version" separate and not try and mix together the movies, books, cartoons, etc.?
I think...
[spoiler]The Qui-gon was the real deal whereas the older Asoka and Shmi were the brother and sister in disguise. Qui gon seemed to be trying to help Obi wan. I loved the foreshadowing of Asoka having to hear she has the seeds of the dark side in her from her Master! [/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on January 29, 2011, 11:50:23 AM
Seems like a bit of a stretch to me. I thought you guys were previously saying to just keep each SW "version" separate and not try and mix together the movies, books, cartoons, etc.?
I wasn't saying that which is why some of the things they do upset me. However, according to the rules of Lucas, regardless of the media, the films are a part of all different version of canon. EU canon attempts to incorporate everything except things specifically voided by the higher powers.
[spoiler]
What part of it is a stretch to you. If that was Qui-gon and Kenobi thought it wasn't, that wouldn't change anything that we've seen on the films. Another thing with that scene is that everyone that wasn't who they said they were appeared to be solid and Qui-gon didn't.
From another perspective, it wouldn't make sense to get Liam to come all the way back to SW to play a figment and there are many sites that have said that he was back the play the force ghost.
Seeing something you never knew was possible. Something that he had yet to experience. It's easy for someone who is supposed to be wise in the way of the force to not believe that truth until it is later revealed to him. We don't know what else Obi and Yoda talked about before they parted ways, but it could have been something as simple as "he said he saw you." off screen. Which if you combine that event that he might not believe and Yoda's talk, that could be why he surrendered to the force. He knew it was possible from those two events. [/spoiler]
Frankly, I'm just trying to enjoy the "Clone Wars" and not bothering to try and fit everything together anymore.
This episode....wow, it really was cool to see this episode. It finally shows us what the prophecy was all about. This was some great stuff :)
King
I thought Obi-wan..
[spoiler]Presented in that scene as a man believing he was speaking to an old friend. [/spoiler]
Man I love Star Wars Clone Wars... just watched todays... AWESOME!!!!
Yeah, last nights was again very complex. A lot of foreshadowing going and the previews for the final episode in this arc is HOLY COW!
Great episode last night. The last several week's have just been fantastic. Makes me wish they could do the live action series with this type of writing and action.
Quote from: Rico on February 05, 2011, 09:02:50 AM
Great episode last night. The last several week's have just been fantastic. Makes me wish they could do the live action series with this type of writing and action.
Seriously. What's really remarkable about the last 3 story arc and this one is it has many elements not often considered part of the STAR WARS universe but it works great and is very compelling.
That was kriffin' awesome!
[spoiler]I knew, that was Qui-gon, no doubt.[/spoiler]
Great last part to this trilogy. This story was worthy of a full movie. Loved it!
OMG.. this brought tears to my eyes.. I'm such a dork... I'm putting it all in the spoiler tag as some folks may not want to know what's coming up on the season finale of Season 3
[spoiler]"Though Lucasfilm Animation is keeping specific plot details under wraps, the "Clone Wars" finale, scheduled for April 1, will see Chewbacca cross paths with Ahsoka Tano, the Jedi apprentice to Anakin Skywalker (a k a the future Darth Vader). To prepare for these episodes, titled "Padawan Lost" and "Wookiee Hunt," the "Clone Wars" supervising director Dave Filoni and his team of animators and artists delved into the Lucasfilm archives for original Chewbacca reference materials and costumes, and invited Mr. Mayhew to their studios in Marin County, north of San Francisco, to advise them on the process of bringing Chewie to digital life."
You can check out the entire article here and watch the video here http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/remaking-wookiee-chewbacca-becomes-a-character-on-star-wars-the-clone-wars/ (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/remaking-wookiee-chewbacca-becomes-a-character-on-star-wars-the-clone-wars/)[/spoiler]
OH...MY...GOD!!!!!!
[spoiler]I recall Dave Filonni mentioning two film characters being in the Clone Wars this season but I assumed that was Qui-gon and Tarken. This looks AWESOME!!! [/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on February 17, 2011, 08:50:14 AM
OH...MY...GOD!!!!!!
[spoiler]I recall Dave Filonni mentioning two film characters being in the Clone Wars this season but I assumed that was Qui-gon and Tarken. This looks AWESOME!!! [/spoiler]
Maybe he meant the real films?
Thanks for not spoiling things and using the tags. I certainly don't want to know what's coming in the season finale.
Quote from: Rico on February 17, 2011, 09:02:47 AM
Thanks for not spoiling things and using the tags. I certainly don't want to know what's coming in the season finale.
It's not a story line and it is going to be all over the place in the next few days, it's cool but doesn't spoil the finale. It's pretty clear STAR WARS will put out a lot of press ont his to build excitment for the finale, actually.
Oh yeah if you're a fan of Star Wars Clone Wars you won't be able to not hear about this.. but good luck with that... I don't think it's a spoiler.. like I said every time I watch it, I tear up.. it's gotten me even more excited for the finale.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on February 17, 2011, 10:25:41 AM
Oh yeah if you're a fan of Star Wars Clone Wars you won't be able to not hear about this.. but good luck with that... I don't think it's a spoiler.. like I said every time I watch it, I tear up.. it's gotten me even more excited for the finale.
Agreed, they are going to promote the heck out of this. It's just a character appearance in the show, like Qui-gon and now Tarkin in this weeks episode, we all knew well in advance. Same with this.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 17, 2011, 10:27:10 AM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on February 17, 2011, 10:25:41 AM
Oh yeah if you're a fan of Star Wars Clone Wars you won't be able to not hear about this.. but good luck with that... I don't think it's a spoiler.. like I said every time I watch it, I tear up.. it's gotten me even more excited for the finale.
Agreed, they are going to promote the heck out of this. It's just a character appearance in the show, like Qui-gon and now Tarkin in this weeks episode, we all knew well in advance. Same with this.
[spoiler]I think it's seeing Chewie and Asoka saying.. "It's a Wookie" and the original Star Wars music in the background.. pulls on my heartstrings and I get emotional. I've watched this six or seven times and I still get a lump in my throat.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think it's so great they brought peter Mayhew in to be a part of this as well.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on February 17, 2011, 10:37:19 AM
[spoiler]I think it's so great they brought peter Mayhew in to be a part of this as well.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Yeah makes it more real, I mean anyone can do Chewie's voice.. but it wouldn't be Chewie without Peter[/spoiler]
Well, without looking, they already got Neeson and that seemed like a coo. It probably can't be a prequel actor since most of those voices have been replaced - except of course the whole Darth Maul thing (which I still think is a bad idea). I don't generally comb the "Star Wars" sites a lot, so if this is bigger than that my only guess is it could be an OT actor, like Hamill or Fisher. Mark's done a lot of voice work so he would be my first guess. I'm not sure how they could work him into the Clone Wars, but I suppose it's possible. All I'll say is I hope it means something and just isn't a stunt.
Oh, just peak, it's not that big of a deal, you speculation is way beyond what it actually is. :)
Oh, this is so neat. :)
[spoiler](http://i52.tinypic.com/2dsl6x2.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on February 17, 2011, 03:53:05 PM
Oh, this is so neat. :)
[spoiler](http://i52.tinypic.com/2dsl6x2.jpg)[/spoiler]
That's so AWESOME!!! I can't wait!!!!
OK, this is just silly, now it's on the front page of STAR WARS.com, so i think it's spoiler tag is moot.
http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/chewbacca_returns/index.html (http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/chewbacca_returns/index.html)
Chewie?!? That's the big deal?? I mean that's cool and all, but he was in Ep. 3 too already. I thought it might have been something a bit more.
Quote from: Rico on February 17, 2011, 04:10:33 PM
Chewie?!? That's the big deal?? I mean that's cool and all, but he was in Ep. 3 too already. I thought it might have been something a bit more.
Clearly, that's why i told you to look. :) Don't look at me, Kenny got all Spoiler Warning with it! But it was fun for the day. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on February 17, 2011, 04:12:18 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 17, 2011, 04:10:33 PM
Chewie?!? That's the big deal?? I mean that's cool and all, but he was in Ep. 3 too already. I thought it might have been something a bit more.
Clearly, that's why i told you to look. :) Don't look at me, Kenny got all Spoiler Warning with it! But it was fun for the day. :)
What got me going was the way you both were going on about it. I mean don't misunderstand this is cool news and I'm happy to see it, but I really thought from some of your comments that it was much, much bigger.
Well, I was just having fun with the Spoiler tags. :) I do agree with Kenny, though, that the footage is really neat and I think this is a great addition.
Sorry you didn't feel it was spoiler worthy.. next time I'll just post it for all to see.
But yes Bryan it was fun chatting in spoilers all day :)
Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 3 Chewi Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSwBM5fNgkU#ws)
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on February 17, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
Sorry you didn't feel it was spoiler worthy.. next time I'll just post it for all to see.
But yes Bryan it was fun chatting in spoilers all day :)
Kenny, I never said it wasn't spoiler worthy. I just got swept up into the back and forth you and Bryan were having with all the spoiler tags. It made me think it was much bigger than maybe it turned out to be. I always appreciate spoiler tags.
WOW! What an awesome episode this week. Tarkin! Carbonite! A Jedi prison!! This show just keeps on going!!!
...and who knew Evan Peil sounds like an Italian tailor?! :) It was a great episode, I loved seeing Anakin interacting with Tarkin thinking about how that relationship would end up with them working together on the Death Star. So cool.
Loved this weeks......the only thing that felt wrong to me was Tarkins voice. Sounded too much like somebody trying to do a poor imitation of an English accent. But that really is just a smidge of an annoiance. Loved it!!
Hmm, anyone else make the connection of Clone Troopers being the Red Shirts of the Star Wars galaxy? I just thought of that (nothing groundbreaking)...
Awesome episode this week, Tarkin was an interesting character and it'll be interesting to see Part 2 of this arc. :)
King
Here's a scene from Fridays episode..
The Clone Wars: "Citadel Rescue" - Season 3 Ep. 20 Preview Clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uplKaXt0awk#ws)
Loved the episode and the entire arch. The ending conversation between Anakin an Tarkin was great!
We had a great discussion on the Skype call about the series today. It will be on the podcast for tomorrow.
Loved this Arc, the interactions were great and the action solid. Best season ever. As long as we forget the tea. ;)
King
I even enjoyed those episodes.
Some stuff to warm us up for tonight's finale!
Clone Wars Season 3 Episodes 1-5 Tribute HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIQa0JDqTfw#)
Clone Wars Season 3 Episodes 6-10 Tribute HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZmI7FegpJM#)
Clone Wars Season 3 Episodes 11-17 Tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20YNtaKz6m0#)
Clone Wars Season 3 Episodes 18-22 Tribute HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQIKOzZcF5M#)
Loved the finale tonight. Really great!
[spoiler]Got a big kick out of seeing Chewbacca again - more than I thought I would. One thing I really liked seeing in this episode was Jedi fighting without their lightsabers. Still pretty hard to kill. The "hunt" idea has been used a lot, but they made it seem pretty fresh again in this two-parter. The little teaser for season four looked great too. Is it fall yet? ;)[/spoiler]
Can't wait to watch it.
For those who don't get the Sky channel that showed these over here (like me), they're starting on the Cartoon Network from April 11th.
Quote from: Feathers on April 02, 2011, 04:00:35 AM
For those who don't get the Sky channel that showed these over here (like me), they're starting on the Cartoon Network from April 11th.
Is that just the start of season three for you guys?
Quote from: Rico on April 01, 2011, 06:47:22 PM
Loved the finale tonight. Really great!
[spoiler]Got a big kick out of seeing Chewbacca again - more than I thought I would. One thing I really liked seeing in this episode was Jedi fighting without their lightsabers. Still pretty hard to kill. The "hunt" idea has been used a lot, but they made it seem pretty fresh again in this two-parter. The little teaser for season four looked great too. Is it fall yet? ;)[/spoiler]
x2, it was terrific!
[spoiler]The planet had a bit of a Pandora vibe and the hunt aspect gave the Trandoshians a very Predator like aspect which was cool. [/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on April 02, 2011, 06:00:41 AM
Quote from: Feathers on April 02, 2011, 04:00:35 AM
For those who don't get the Sky channel that showed these over here (like me), they're starting on the Cartoon Network from April 11th.
Is that just the start of season three for you guys?
For Cartoon Network, yes. The season's already shown on one of the premium movie channels, but I don't get any of those.
Gee, and I thought we used to get Doctor Who later than you guys. Season three started here way back last fall.
Makes me laugh....a 30 minute kids cartoon and Sky feels they are justified to put it on their premium movie channel......I dropped the movie channels a few years ago because the movies were mostly meh! and the movie package so darned expensive. But I kept the Sky TV channels....I love some of the shows on Sky One and it is a channel I watch a lot....
But if they continue to broadcast the TV shows on the premium Movie channels, I'll just cancel the lot. I do most of my program watching through "questionable" internet sources...
I keep Sky 1 and SyFy (and cartoons for the kids) but never took the rest. As you day, some of the programming decisions can only be described as taking liberties.
This season was great! Ahsoka was great too - especially with Chewie. I liked how the two of them sort of bonded. Can't wait for season 4!!! :)
Fantastic ending to a great season of Clone Wars.. bring on season four.
IMO this season had some of the best storylines from the entire Star Wars universe.
Here's the DVD/Blu Ray cover art for the season box set
That's nice. I kind of wish they might package seasons 1-3 in a set for the Blu-Ray's. I haven't gotten any on Blu-Ray - yet.
I have Seasons 1 and 2 and will get this as soon as it comes out. I watch these on Cartoon Network HD and they look even better on BR.
Quote from: Bryancd on April 18, 2011, 09:54:29 AM
I have Seasons 1 and 2 and will get this as soon as it comes out. I watch these on Cartoon Network HD and they look even better on BR.
Totally agree with you Bryan.. BluRay look incredible.
Quote from: Rico on April 18, 2011, 08:35:29 AM
That's nice. I kind of wish they might package seasons 1-3 in a set for the Blu-Ray's. I haven't gotten any on Blu-Ray - yet.
That would be one expensive box set.. it's probably why they haven't released it yet.. I mean just for one season on BluRay you look to pay $40 to $60 per set. It's like Doctor Who.. they don't sell those in multiple season box set as those sets are also in the $60 to $80 dollar range for one season.