Trailer from Comic Con. (major spoilers for last season)
WOW! Can't wait!
Dexter Season 5 Trailer (Comic Con) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUbCMbW-BRE#)
Season 5 starts tomorrow night. Going to be so great! DON'T watch these videos if you haven't seen the show.
Dexter: It's Already Over (Season 5 Promo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNBj3LFvmWI#ws)
Oh man, just a few hours to go!
(pic is from a previous season premiere which is why the date is a bit different)
What did you think? I've only watched the first twenty minutes and it is so dark and disturbing. Something about this story is really bothering me and I find it very difficult to watch.
[spoiler] I think it's the shots of the children and the baby and thinking about the kids losing their mother. I am having a very hard time finding sympathy for Dexter's character, which is essential for the show to be successful. I mean it was totally his fault that his wife is dead, he knows it himself, and now the kids are motherless. Perhaps this is the season that ends it all for Dex, but in my opinion there's no possible redemption for drawing those innocent children into his life and having them pay such a horrible price for it.[/spoiler]
I really liked the season opener, but I understand what you're saying.
[spoiler]I actually felt very sympathetic for Dexter and everyone in this episode. Yes, due to the type of person Dexter is and the life he leads he put Rita in danger. But he didn't kill her - Trinity did. And now he has to live with the guilt and somehow go on. Funny thing is, I read a lot of Spider-Man and there are a lot of things similar to Peter Parker and Dex. They both get involved in things that can put those around them in danger. But they still have to do what they do and somehow live with it. Anyway, while I was very sad about what they did to Rita, I can see it was a bold move and something that will shadow Dex forever now.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I like your analogy but the obvious difference is that Peter was (eventually) honest with the people around him who were then able to choose to stay with him and of course Dexter never gave Rita that option because he knew she never would have. I've watched the end of the episode and it seems clear that the show is going to let Dex off the hook. I know it's early in the season and I will definitely keep watching but i am not thrilled with the direction the show has taken. It's still one of the best shows on television. [/spoiler]
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on September 27, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
[spoiler]I like your analogy but the obvious difference is that Peter was (eventually) honest with the people around him who were then able to choose to stay with him and of course Dexter never gave Rita that option because he knew she never would have. I've watched the end of the episode and it seems clear that the show is going to let Dex off the hook. I know it's early in the season and I will definitely keep watching but i am not thrilled with the direction the show has taken. It's still one of the best shows on television. [/spoiler]
I don't exactly agree....
[spoiler]Peter lied for years to many of his loved ones and that put them in danger many times. Gwen Stacy is the biggest example of this. But, I can see your point to a degree. But seeing the rage and anguish in Dexter when he killed that loser in the bathroom in this opening episode I think showed how much this has affected him. The guilt I think will be with him a very long time. I'm not quite sure what you mean about letting Dexter off the hook. If you mean the police, I don't think that is quite over. As for Dex, he will blame himself forever. I actually felt it was worse when he killed an innocent man in the past season than what happened to Rita. But it's still gripping TV and I love how complex Dexter is. I might not always like him or what he does, but I always care about him. If that makes sense. And I think that's what makes this show great.[/spoiler]
Ah yeah, poor Gwen. Kinda forgot about her and was thinking of May and Mary Jane. It's a good analogy.
Let me try to explain...
[spoiler]I think Dexter realized that his greatest crime, of all the murders he's committed, was bringing the four innocents into his world and Rita has now paid the price for it. He knew at one point in the premiere that the kids would be better off with Deb or Rita's parents which was why he left, and I think that would have been the right move if he truly cared for them more than himself and his obsessions. This would have been the right thing to do, the moral thing, to deny himself the people he loved in order to protect them from the world he lives in. By returning to the funeral, allowing himself to be comforted by his loved ones, trying to return to his double life as a forensic specialist and a secret killer, he is committing another immoral act. Strangely enough out of all the heinous crimes he's committed this is the one that causes me to lose my ability to root for Dexter and hope he comes out on top. For the first time i feel like he truly deserves to be punished. But it doesn't appear that he will be. I guess that's what i mean by letting him off the hook. Of course we still have nine or so more episodes to see where this all leads. I can't wait. [/spoiler]
Again, not really feeling the same as you...
[spoiler]I put Dexter in the same category as anyone else that has a dangerous "job" that could cause harm to their family. The police are one example of this. He can't help what he is. And I think deep down he truly loved Rita and still loves the kids. To leave them now wouldn't ring true to me. He has to at least try to be a father for them. Maybe it won't work out, but he has to try. Again, I find him to be fascinating character and like Harry said in the recent episode, acting more human all the time.
On another area, I loved how we finally got to see how Rita and Dexter first met and their early relationship. You could see a bond forming quickly even in those short scenes. I was getting a bit misty watching them. Like I said before I have a huge amount of sympathy for Dexter still. Seeing how he deals with this guilt and extra burden now will be very interesting to watch.[/spoiler]
P.S. Joby - I should just create our own Dexter area for just you and me. LOL!
Ha ha Rico, if you want to you can! I love this show so much I could talk about it for a long time, and noone else I know is watching it.
[spoiler]I think you are minimizing his crimes and the potential effect that his lifestyle has on the people Dexter surrounds himself with. How much worse can it get, his wife and the mother of his child is dead because he chose to involve himself with a psychotic serial killer! Trying to be a father to the children without changing anything else about his life is doing them more harm than good. We see the scene where his father tells him the opposite, that they need him, and Dexter decides to go back to the funeral and his life. But there's no credible explanation as to why they need him, when Deb or Rita's parents are available and are not psychotic serial killers themselves.
I posit that since Dexter's hallucinatory exchanges with his dead father are in his mind anyway, that what we are really seeing in that scene is Dexter's justificatioin in his own mind for continuing to put his loved ones in danger, and his rationalization for continuing to do the selfish thing because his greatest desire is to be normal. It remains to be seen if Dexter can control himself, or if he even tries to.
[/spoiler]
Hmmm....
[spoiler]I guess this is the thing for me. Dexter has always been pretty darn careful about who he takes out. These are not good people that he kills. Now of course it's vigilante justice, but it allows him to fulfill his needs without in general taking innocent lives. Think of the many lives he has actually saved by doing what he does. A lot of them. But yes, people around him can get hurt in the process. Frankly, there are times when I hear something on the news about someone who has done terrible things either getting a light sentence or somehow getting away with it. So maybe I'm more on Dexter's side in this. Now of course, if this was just a show about a serial killer who killed just anyone I would feel much different. But Dexter struggles every day with who he is where actually many people give in to things that cause much more harm to others around them. But it's interesting to talk about.[/spoiler]
You're absolutely right, and what you've described is the heart of the show and exactly what makes it so popular and successful. They've taken an antihero and given him the ability to accomplish what many of us feel every day, and ultimately we can live vicariously through his actions to an extent. I've felt the same way, the punishment rarely fits the crime these days. We've got non violent drug offenders doing hard time and violent rapists out on the street over technicalities. Dexter takes the anger we all feel at the injustices and does what (maybe) we all wish we could do too. Season three examined this in detail with Jimmy Smitts as the DA seduced by Dexter's lifestyle and taking it to even greater extremes.
[spoiler]well second episode and 2/3 of the kids are where they should be, so most of my concerns are allayed for the time being. Not too swift of those detectives staring at the pics of "Kyle Butler" and not noticing the startling resemblance to our favorite forensic pathologist. They've got other stuff on their minds though, I have feeling it won't be long before the shadow of suspicion falls towards Dex yet again. Seems like most of the loose ends are getting tied up and season five will start in earnest soon enough.[/spoiler]
Well,.....
[spoiler]I think the kids will be back. It makes sense for now for them to react they way they are, but I do think they will go back with Dexter in the end. I find it pretty amazing at how easily Dexter sometimes runs into these nut job killers. Perhaps he has some kind of "killer sense" like a spidey sense. Another interesting episode and setting a few things into motion. I thought they did a pretty good job with the sketches. Obviously they had them look a little like Dex, but not completely. He actually has a fairly average look, I think. Anyway, looking forward to the next episode already. [/spoiler]
Dex continues to be really good. A bit of a surprise at the end of yesterday's episode. Joby - you caught up?
Hopping into bed right now and firing it up as soon as I hit the sheets. I'll let you know tomorrow morning :) Can't believe noone else is into this great show. I guess Showtime just doesn't make the cut for most folks where the entertainment dollar is concerned.
I actually know a few people at work that love it too.
Great episode! One of the things I love most about this show is the masterful way the directors up the levels of suspense until you can barely take it! Some of the previous season's episodes the suspense got almost too much to bear, and it's not from fear, horror, or gore but from a genuine level of concern for the characters. Brilliant, and last episode was no exception. The chase scene through the Florida swamp was really well done.
Yep, I agree Joby. I like the start to this relationship between Dex and Lumen quite a bit. They are both kind of "damaged goods." In a way, just like Rita was too for Dexter. I really hope this relationship grows into something. I'd really like Dexter to finally have someone he can confide in and talk to. In every previous case when this has happened it's gone bad in the end. I'd hate to see that happen again to Dex.
Seasons one and two of Dexter are available for streaming on Netflix for anyone that might want to start watching this masterful program. I guarantee once you start to watch you'll be hooked and will actively seek out the rest of the episodes.
Another great episode. The season is ramping up, as this show tends to do as it gets closer to the end. They're definitely are sparks flying between Lumen and Dex, you saw it coming Rico. I wanted to mention how good a job Peter Weller is doing. Robocop is such a slime ball! If you watched the preview for next week it seems like his story is heating up too.
I'm liking this season quite a bit. I like the developing relationship between Dex and Lumen. Seems maybe he finally has someone he can really share his whole life with - maybe. I don't watch the previews since I think it spoils what's coming too much for me at least. Anyway, the accident with the truck full of canned bodies was unexpected. It will be interesting to see how Dex eventually deals with taking down such a public figure like the motivational dude.
Oh heck yeah! This has been a pretty good season so far, and the the relationship with Lumen is developing into something interesting. I think that maybe...just maybe...Dex found his true soul mate. His kindred soul...who KNOWs him and KNOWs WHO he is and can accept him for that...
Rico, it will be interesting how he takes down Anthony Robbins...er, I mean, the motivational dude! :)
YEAH! Another Dex watcher to join Joby and me!
Yep. In fact, I've gotten Joyce hooked on it too!!
Quote from: QuadShot on November 11, 2010, 02:06:03 PM
Yep. In fact, I've gotten Joyce hooked on it too!!
Still find it interesting that Michael C. Hall and Debra Carpenter are married in real life, but play brother and sister on the series.
I KNOW! It's very odd. In fact, I get kind of creeped out thinking about it. :) So, considering Debra's unfiltered use of the F word (among others), what do you think she's like when he asks her to talk dirty? :)
Really loved the episode a couple days ago. This season is really pacing itself well. Getting very good and very interesting. Liking Lumen more and more.
Another great episode this week. Loved it. Especially....
[spoiler]When Dexter took that creep guy in the back alley and beat the heck out of him who had been abusing Astor's friend. As Dex walked the guy back there and started in on him all I could say was, "Dude, you have no idea who you are messing with here." Again, Dexter is showing that he cares more and more. I'm also liking Lumen more and more too. But that's scaring me because I know how things go for Dexter and people close to him.[/spoiler]
I agree! What a great scene. My wife has started watching Dex with me now, even though she hasn't seen any of the previous seasons, and has gotten hooked. [spoiler]She remarked during that scene that she wished every child abuser could have a run in like that one.
I also enjoyed that Dexter's scenes with his adopted dad during this episode totally addressed my concerns we talked about at the beginning of this season, Rico, about Dexter's actions putting the people he loves in danger. I think the writers have more than alleviated my initial problems: Dexter and Lumen's relationship provides him the opportunity for the personal redemption I felt he needed and was lacking at the beginning of this season. [/spoiler]
I also liked Dex and the dad scenes too...
[spoiler]Did you notice that Dexter still really wants to be a good dad? This has come up a few times this season. So even though the older kids are sort of out of his life, he still really cares about them. And that's an ok compromise for me. Lumen seems to be a very good influence on Dex too. But man, do I want that self-help guy to go down now after that phone call with Lumen.[/spoiler]
Well, you got your wish Rico!
[spoiler]Lumen and Dex are the new hot item in Miami. How funny was the scene where Lumen was admiring Dexter's knife collection? Things are coming to a head. Can't wait to see Robocop go down, what a sleaze![/spoiler]
[spoiler]you know, I thought that was fun too! She's a female Dex, for sure. I'm not sure how I feel about them sleeping together though. That sort of cheapened it a bit for me. I liked that their attraction to each other was based on the need to kill those who did what the did, but when they moved the attraction to a more, traditional physical sort, I was a bit disappointed. I love this season though! I can't wait to see how it turns out! And what will become of Lumen? I think...she dies. [/spoiler]
[spoiler]Oh I truly hope she doesn't die. I felt Dex and Lumen sleeping together was pretty natural, and if nothing else part of Lumen's healing process from her trauma. Many victims of the kind of assault Lumen was exposed to could possibly never be able to or even desire to experience intimacy with another person without serious therapy or at the very least a lot of time passed. The argument could be made that Dexter's enabling of Lumen to take her revenge on her attackers gave her the ability to experience that level of intimacy much sooner than normal.
Or possibly she's a psychotic that gets sexually excited by stabbing people. [/spoiler]
LOVED this most recent episode...
[spoiler]I thought Lumen and Dexter finally getting together was perfectly understandable. Lumen is trying to repair herself and feel "normal" and whole again. The scene where she is pulling off Dexter's shirt and trying to touch him was very moving. Julia Stiles is fantastic in this show. And Michael C. Hall's expressions and eyes just worked great here. It will really kill me if Lumen dies. I don't think that will happen. Whether she stays around, I'm not sure. But, I'd be happy if she was back next year.[/spoiler]
I agree that Julia Stiles is fantastic. I've been re-watching the Bourne trilogy on my iPad over the last week or so and she did a great job in those films as well.
[spoiler]Oh, I understand the progression of their relationship for sure, and it is understandable. Did you catch when Lumen was taking off Dexters shirt, she bunched it at his wrists...behind his back. Kind of like tying him up. And Rico you're right, Julia is great in this role and she and Michael play off each other very well. I guess I wouldn't mind seeing the show spin in a new direction: Dexter and his apprentice! The reason I feel they'll kill her off possibly is that the whole idea of the Dexter character is that he is "broken" and alone. If they keep a love interest in his life, that would change the "tone" of his character. Even though she's as "busted" as he is, together they almost make a normal person. Sort of. I just love this show and love the way it's going this season! I want to see how they take care of Robocop Weller! [/spoiler]
"DEXTER" gets officially renewed for a season six! No surprise, but great news still.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2010/12/06/showtime-renews-its-top-rated-dexter-for-a-sixth-season/74394 (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2010/12/06/showtime-renews-its-top-rated-dexter-for-a-sixth-season/74394)
Yeah!! I'm glad. This show has really gotten into its own. Love it.
Season Finale spoilers and comments ahead....
[spoiler]I liked the finale. Thought it wrapped things up well and worked. All I kept saying to the TV when Jordan thought he actually had Dexter controlled was you don't know who you are dealing with here bub. Then he notices the missing knife and wham - awesome! Michael C. Hall was great in this episode again. I was really scared Lumen might die, but I'm real happy she made it. The ending where she tells Dex she has to leave was gut wrenching. Again, both actors were awesome. One little thing though still kinds of bugs me. Quinn must suspect Dex killed Robocop. I mean he knew he was watching Dexter still and then Liddy turns up dead? I mean come on Mr. Police Detective. Is he just ignoring it since he loves Deb? Maybe this will continue. Oh, when Deb nearly caught Dex and Lumen I was freaking. I thought for sure she was going to learn his secret. But it made sense for her to let them go. Anyway, great season. Is it time for season six yet?! ;)[/spoiler]
Great season, great show. I believe looking back on this series after it ends, that many people will believe that last season, season 4, will be viewed as the peak for this show. Everything was perfect last year and these past twelve episodes fell a little short in comparison. The tension and drama seemed lessened a little bit, I don't remember ever feeling like Dexter was truly in danger at any point. I know the whole subplot with Peter Weller could have very easily turned bad and certainly the end of the finale with Deb was a hair's breath away from ending it all for Dex, but for some reason I never felt the almost unbearable suspense this season that I've felt in some of the previous years.
Still a very enjoyable season and it leaves everything open for season six to go any direction the writers choose.
I think the makers of the show did a wise thing in not trying to continue to "up the ante." This show is about Dexter. And his character and how he deals with things and copes. I liked this past season a lot. They explored some new things. I felt a great deal of tension several times this season - especially in the last few episodes. I mean, you always know pretty much Dexter will both survive and probably not get caught. Especially since a season six is already on the record as coming. So, there is only so much you can do with that. But they still manage to add suspense - at least for me. I also try hard not to compare things. I've enjoyed every season almost the same amount. Because they all had interesting things going on and Dexter is just so interesting and fun to watch. They also have a great supporting cast and bring in some solid guest stars too. One of my top shows and I expect it will be until it's over.
[spoiler]My wife and I felt the same kind of disbelief about the whole Quinn/Robocop subplot. Knowing what we know about Quinn it doesn't seem in character for him to allow himself to destroy his entire career to protect his relationship with Deb, and certainly not to protect Dexter. He seemed willing to go down without outing what he knew about Dexter's role in the murder. And although Dex did use his position to fudge the blood analysis from the spatter on Quinn's shoe (did they ever explicitly say that or was it just implied) even that doesn't seem like it would be enough for Quinn to simply forget what he knows about Dexter's extracurricular activities. [/spoiler]
New news coming out about the cast:
http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/12/13/michael-c-hall-jennifer-carpenter-divorce/ (http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/12/13/michael-c-hall-jennifer-carpenter-divorce/)
WOW! That's a bit of a surprise.
Just heard the rumor today that an affair with Julia Stiles was responsible for the breakup.
Interesting. I liked the season ender. And, I'm glad Lumen isn't going to continue on, like Rico said, the show is called Dexter. Not Dexter, Inc. It may have been interesting to see how that paradigm would have evolved, but I think it would have changed the context of the show completely. I want to see how Dexter deals with things. It was nice to see this season and how he was able to find someone sort of like him, but I don't believe I'd like to see that on an ongoing basis. Can't wait for next season. Especially in light of the divorce! That was just weird anyway. I mean, she's his SISTER! :)
Rico, I inferred from an earlier post of yours today that you might be looking for something to read. Might I suggest the Dexter series? While the plots of the novels veer sharply from the direction of the Showtime series, the same tone and feel that we love from the TV show is definitely present in the novels. I'm in the middle of book three (of five) and have been loving them. Highly recommended!
Good idea. They were on my list to read at some point.
Even Edward James Olmos is getting too close to Dexter this season
http://www.avclub.com/articles/even-edward-james-olmos-is-getting-too-close-to-de,56557/ (http://www.avclub.com/articles/even-edward-james-olmos-is-getting-too-close-to-de,56557/)
While Dexter's upcoming sixth season already has its requisite young allies and/or antagonists secured in the casting of Mos Def and Colin Hanks, it's so far been missing that guest star who can provide the sort of craggy authoritativeness previously embodied by the likes of Keith Carradine and Peter Weller. Enter Edward James Olmos, alpha male of craggy authoritativeness, who has just been confirmed to return to his first recurring series role since Battlestar Galactica by playing a "brilliant, charismatic professor of religious studies." Presumably that academic background brings Olmos' character in contact with Hanks' "highly intelligent ancient artifacts expert" and maybe even Mos Def's born-again ex-con. In other words, expect lots of portentous religious metaphors from this season of Dexter—and if someone doesn't utter a line about the "sins of the father" to single dad Dexter, we'll eat our metaphorical hat.
"So say we all!"
One word: AWESOMENESSEDNESS!!