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Ok, Lost is up and running again.

What did you think of last night's episode?  It was called "The beginning of the end."

I enjoyed it.  pretty interesting with the flash forwards and such.  Hurley is one of my favorite characters.

I enjoyed it.  It was a very good episode and a good way to start out the season. 

King

I really enjoyed it as well, and after what felt like a long wait, was happy to see it again.

I liked that they are continiung the flash forwards, and certainly leaves me with a lot of questions. It seems like whatever is going to happen on the island is going to continue on with whoever survives/leaves the island.  Both Hurly and Jack from last season final episode seem to show the same regret, so it has me really intrigued. The scene with Hurley, and the house that Jacob lives in, has me really thinking. Maybe Hurley is not a crazy as he thinks, when he see's imaginary people. In the preview show before hand, they touched on his friend imaginary Dave from the mental hospital, Hurley saw Jacob, which apparently not everyone see's, and then seeing Charlie in the flash forward sequence. Still not sure what to think of the house, as it was there, and then it was not.

I like how the conflict between Jack and Locke and is getting larger, and how the survivors are split between the two. Wow, I am so excited for the next episode

It was a great episode.  Lots and lots of stuff came out.  Like the "Oceanic Six."  That would seem to mean only six people get off the island.  Does that mean that the others are all dead, or did they just not leave?  We know at least three get off, Jack, Kate and Hurley.  Maybe a fourth, who is dead.  That's hard to say right now.  Also, why did Hurley tell Jack in the future that he should of gone with him and not Locke?  It seems Locke is the one in the right at this point so why would Hurley say he should of gone with Jack?  Lots of interesting things.  I still think they each have to resolve certain things or issues and the reasons once they are off the island that they feel the need to go back is they haven't finished with what they had to do.  Just an idea.  Anyway, the season is off to a great start!

Quote from: Rico on February 01, 2008, 05:05:56 PM
Also, why did Hurley tell Jack in the future that he should of gone with him and not Locke?  It seems Locke is the one in the right at this point so why would Hurley say he should of gone with Jack? 

I thought the same thing as well, as it has been identified that these people on the boat are not with Penny, and that Naomi was not who she said she was. Right now it seems to be that going with Locke is the more sensible thing. I guess thats what makes it so interesting and intriguing.

I thought it was a good episode. I do however don't like how they got away from the "danger" of being in the jungle. We haven't seen a animal or the "security system" in a LONG time. I hope they get back to it. I like the feeling that they could not walk around so easily in the jungle.

With that being said I liked the flash forwards a lot and I really like the Jacob stuff.

I finally was able to watch the new episode... I liked it.. more questions but what would lost be without all the questions.

My theory is that the boat are Dharma people coming to reclaim their island. That would explain why Ben thinks they are there to kill them.. since he and the others are responsible to killing all of Dharma years ago.

Anyways I look forward to more Lost..

Great episode last night.  Lots to consider.  First, why even have a fake plane crash setup?  It was found very far off course.  And not even by a rescue team right?  Just some treasure hunters.  Why put it out there?  Seems odd.  And a Dharma polar bear in Tunisia??  What's up with that?

The new characters are interesting.  I'm liking Locke more and more.  I'm starting to get a feeling some of them are going to get off the island soon.  And that will be "the Oceanic Six."  Most of them will stay on the island.  The flash forwards we see are that.  And by the end of the series some of them will return to the island.  At least that's my theory for now.

Yes, there was a lot to consider for sure. The fake plane has me thinking, and all I can really guess is that some one does not want them to find the island. At first I thought it might be Ben's group, as I thought they were larger then just the island, but now I don't think that as much. With the rescue people wanting Ben, makes me believe others are interested in the island, or just Ben. Maybe like Kenny speculated in the other thread, it is the Dharma initiative that are on the boat, and they want to reclaim the island. Maybe Ben was hiding it from them with the underwater station jamming signals.
Not sure what to think of the group they sent to the island, as I agree with Naomi, as they don't seem like the best candidates. I get the reason why Frank (Pilot) and Charlotte might be interested in the island, but puzzled with Miles and Daniel and their interest in the island.

That is a good theory you have Rico about how they might leave the island soon, and then look at returning. Seems possible, as they are putting a lot of emphasis on these flash forwards, and so far Jack and Hurley have felt haunted by their decisions.

I am wondering as well, if time of the island goes by slower then it does on the rest of the earth. Might explain why Locke saw the image of Walt older last season, and why the real others never seemed to age.

I think you are on to something on the time paradox thing Jeff.  It might explain why that polar bear in Tunisia seems like a fossil.  Also, didn't the pilot body in the crashed plane under the water seem a lot more decomposed for only a couple of months?  What day on the island are they at now?  Like only two months or so total?  Anyway, lots to think about.

Yes, I think they have only been on the island for a few months, but I would not be surprised if real time off the island is a lot longer. The images of the pilot looked like he had been there a lot longer. The polar bear in Tunisia is interesting as well, especially with the dharma collar, and for it to get to the state it was, it would have needed to be there for awhile. Really looking forward to next week, so much to think about. I enjoy Lost as usually on the weekends, I spend time reading people theories and looking at screencaps. So much more then just the one hour each week.

Very interesting discussion.  The episode was great and the plane thing does seem a little too fake.  Too...perfect.  But perhaps it is them.  Who knows, we'll find out soon enough.

King

Just watched the latest lost... I'm not saying it was bad.. it was really good.. but how many more questions can they ask. I'm getting tired of trying to keep everything straight in my head. There is so many unanswered questions and they keep piling on more with every new episode. I've given up on trying to figure everything out.. I think it's best that I just hang on and enjoy the ride.

I was thinking the same thing Kenny! :)  It is getting so blurry now.  I just have to hold on and hope for the best!

I get the feeling the new characters and questions raised will be answered rather quickly. Just a feeling I have

It's funny, but even with the new questions I find the show more compelling and I can see an end in sight.  I really think it's all going to be a lot more complex than most people think.  JJ Abrams created a very complicated plot on the show "Alias" over the 5 seasons it was on.  He doesn't make simple shows.  You really have to pay attention.  Things from months or even previous seasons can come back and be important.

Lost: More Episodes Expected This Season
Update: Season 4 will likely contain 13 episodes total.
by IGN Staff

February 12, 2008 - Update: As of Tuesday night, the Writers' strike is officially over. Original story follows.

One of the more discussed "what next?" shows as the writers' strike comes to an apparent end is Lost, which went into this season with a very specific plan to air the first of three 16-episode seasons that would complete the series in 2010. However, only eight of this season's 16 episodes were finished when the strike began, and questions have arisen as to what ABC would do in terms of completing the season as originally intended.

By most accounts, the good news is that there will indeed be more Lost this season beyond those eight episodes. As showrunners, and (we assume) staff writers return to work this week, Lost executive producer Damon Lindelof is quoted in Eonline saying "Indeed, it would appear that we are in the endgame of the strike. Personally, I couldn't be more psyched to be part of this union. Like any negotiation, some parts suck and some parts surpassed my wildest expectations for what we could accomplish, but most of all I'm left with a feeling of pride."

Lindelof goes on to say, "As for Lost (pending the actual lifting of the strike, which we vote for on Tuesday), a game plan should begin to manifest by the end of the week. All I can say is that Carlton [Cuse] and I and the rest of the writers have every intention of making sure you guys get more episodes this season beyond the eight already completed. How many and how they will be aired is a conversation we'll be having with our bosses, but as soon as we've got a plan, we'll tell the fans first."

TV Guide's Michael Ausiello meanwhile is reporting he hears that six additional episodes may be completed this season. If that ends up being the case, and the storyline meant for 16 episodes is fit into 14, fans will no doubt wonder if that means the two extra episodes originally planned for this season will cease to be, or be added to the next two years.

Update: The Hollywood Reporter has spoken to Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse, and say that the goal Cuse and Lindelof have set is to complete five more episodes this season, bringing the total to 13.

"We're going to have to hit the ground running, go from zero to 100 mph in a matter of days to make as many episodes as possible," Cuse tells the Reporter. As for turning a 16 episode season into a 13 episode season, Cuse notes "We will have to condense some stories."

Cuse also spoke to Variety, in which he said, "We're going to try to make as many as we can and do a good job of finishing out this season. We'll have to compress some of the storytelling we planned for this season, and that may not be a bad thing. Damon and I feel like we know how we can finish it off and still make it a really, really great story."

Variety reports that Cuse tells them that any unproduced episodes planned for this season (presumably three at this point) will be added to the final two seasons at some point, seemingly keeping the show on track to produce 48 episodes total over the course of its final three years.

On the episode from 2/14.  WOW!  More has happened and been shown I think in this new season than almost all of last year.  Sayid is just so darn cool.  And the flash forward stuff - OMG!  We are really learning a lot about where things are headed.  I was a bit surprised that they fell for the Hurley trick, but I guess he is the one they probably would trust the most.  And what about the time difference between off the island and on it?  I think you were right on that Jeff.  Really, really good episode.

Yes, that was another great episode. I felt they built up the Hurley tricking them pretty good, at least it fooled me, as they had showed him being at odds with Locke earlier, but he was probably the best choice to use as a decoy. The Sayid flash forward was really cool, and interested to find out more. I was shocked to see him working for Ben, and I guess he got tricked again with the Girl he was tracking. Ben does seem like an even more mysterious person, with all the ID's Sayid had found.
I thought time had something to play with the island, so glad to see that is starting to be revealed. Really looking forward to next weeks show, should be another good one.

'Lost' Shifting Timeslots Again


By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: TV Guide
Feb-14-2008

If "Lost" ever needed a great lead-in show on its schedule, it may finally have one thanks to ABC.

According to Michael Ausiello of TV Guide, the network is considering moving the final six episodes of "Lost" -- five of which are now in production -- to Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET beginning in April, where it will follow one of ABC's strongest performing shows, "Grey's Anatomy."

It's reportedly a part of a Thursday night package that will begin with "Ugly Betty" in the 8 p.m. timeslot that would give the network a chance to compete with CBS' lineup of "Survivor," "CSI" and "Without A Trace."

Even better, if the lineup works, it could be in use when "Lost" returns for Season 5 ... in the fall. Yes, according to Ausiello, it looks like "Lost" could return for its next season in the fall this coming year, instead of the planned spring launch that was supposed to make up the show's final seasons.

So what will be in those five new episodes that will soon begin filming in Hawaii for late spring? Ausiello caught up with executive producer Carlton Cuse to find out.

"We've found ourselves in a situation where we had eight episodes of story planned, and we're going to try to fit that into five hours of the show," said Cuse. "Even though it's going to be very hard to execute, we felt like any less would be doing a disservice to the story we had planned. We really want to give the fans the best possible experience and ending ... to Season 4."

Because of the strike, there will be a gap between the episodes already filmed and those yet to be filmed, possibly by as long as a month. But ABC is indicating it may hold the eighth episode of the season already filmed to air at the same time as the last five, creating a final six-episode arc leading into the next season.

"Lost" airs Thursdays at 9 p.m. ET.

I was listening to the Official Lost Podcast today, there was a question about the Polar Bear in Tunisia, and they indicated the Orchid Station Video gives some clues into how the Polar Bear ended up there

OK, lost airs in about 30 minutes, and I'm strongly considering checking it out.  Problem is, I've only seen about 3 episodes of the series since it aired.  If I check it out, will it make any sense to me?  Or does the series depend on the viewer having a firm grasp of all of the backstory?

-E

You will not understand a thing.... I'd pick up season one and start there.

I was afraid of that.

Thanks for the heads-up. :thumbsup

Was an alright episode, but probably my least favorite so far for the season. Really liked the scene between Ben and Miles, really making me want to find out more. Interesting as well that it seems there is a big coverup on what actual events happend on the island. At first I thought that Jack was lying on the stand for Kate, but after it sounded like it was a story that all surviving members are telling. Kind of guessed the reveal at the end as well, not really sure what to make of it.

I really liked the episode. I do not however like the Lock stuff......

Quote from: Blackride on February 22, 2008, 03:56:57 PM
I really liked the episode. I do not however like the Lock stuff......

Locke almost seems to becoming Ben, Living in Bens house, keeping Ben locked in the basement, controlling all the other Losties, and telling them what and what not to do. His Character is becoming unlikeable.

I still don't understand why the Oceanic six would leave everyone else on the Island and be telling the world this lie of what happen. I can't see these six making a deal to get off the Island.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on February 22, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
I still don't understand why the Oceanic six would leave everyone else on the Island and be telling the world this lie of what happen. I can't see these six making a deal to get off the Island.

We don't know that's the case Kenny.  Maybe some of the rest are off the island.  The public only knows about the six of them.  Maybe they are lying to protect the rest.  It's hard to say right now.  There is a lot more to this show than just getting off the island.  I think the current time is going to catch up to the flash forward stuff at some point - maybe.  Keep in mind they have shown that time off the island moves much faster than when you are on the island.

Anyway, this week's episode did reveal another of the Oceanic 6.  Claire's baby, Aaron.  :)

Quote from: Rico on February 22, 2008, 06:23:23 PM
Anyway, this week's episode did reveal another of the Oceanic 6.  Claire's baby, Aaron.  :)

Do you really think he is one of the six... I don't think so... at least I would feel like it was a cheap if they did that.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on February 22, 2008, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: Rico on February 22, 2008, 06:23:23 PM
Anyway, this week's episode did reveal another of the Oceanic 6.  Claire's baby, Aaron.  :)

Do you really think he is one of the six... I don't think so... at least I would feel like it was a cheap if they did that.

On the Official podcast, Damon and Carlton said that the final two could be a bit of a trick. Not sure if they were meaning Aaron or not.

Their Podcast is very fun.  Those guys have a very good sense of humor.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on February 22, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
I still don't understand why the Oceanic six would leave everyone else on the Island and be telling the world this lie of what happen. I can't see these six making a deal to get off the Island.

Maybe they left to tell the world the Big Lie and protect the rest of the Losties who decided to remain. We still don't understand the island, so there is probably more to it than just making a deal.

I am jazzed for the next ep - I love this show.

Yes - I definitely think Aaron is one of the six.  The name "The Oceanic Six" was probably created by the media when they came back.  How could they not count the baby?  It also fits in with what they said on the podcast about it sort of being a trick.  So far we have:  Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and now Aaron.  One left.  And I think the reason Jack doesn't want to see Aaron is because Claire (his half sister) died somehow and he blames himself.

I don't know whether the press would make minor distinctions when naming "The Oceanic Six", but technically Aaron was only a fetus when he was on flight 815. Does that still count him as an Oceanic passenger? I think that it could go either way whether or not he's included.
Also, I was wondering how Ben made it off the island again. If he came back with the rest of the survivors, they would have had to have acknowledge him alongside the Oceanic Six (maybe he just snuck back in that mysterious way he probably has for getting back to "mainland").
I agree that Claire must have died in order to have passed her son on to Kate, but it's still odd if it's Jack's guilt over not saving her that makes him avoid Aaron. I would have thought that guilt would have made him over-compensate and want to take care of Aaron even more.

I'm lovin' this season tho' (especially the Alias-like episode with Sayid's cloak-and-dagger escapades in episode 3). I didn't really buy the whole "game-changing" aspect of the flash-forwards when it was just the season 3 finale, but now it's really obvious and cool how much the flash-forwards have altered the story-telling.

One of the main reasons I said Aaron is one of the Six is the week before on the preview for the next show they mentioned another of the Six would be revealed.  And I think the Six refers to those rescued and since Aaron was born by then that makes sense.  I don't think Ben is one because he wasn't on the plane.  I also think the public doesn't know about him like the members of the Oceanic flight.

Quote from: alving4 on February 23, 2008, 08:10:23 AM

Also, I was wondering how Ben made it off the island again. If he came back with the rest of the survivors, they would have had to have acknowledge him alongside the Oceanic Six (maybe he just snuck back in that mysterious way he probably has for getting back to "mainland")

I never thought Ben was trapped on the island myself. I think he can come and go as he pleases but chooses to stay.

Just my 2 cents.

Man, finally got to watch it and I'm still just as confused.  I really hope they start answering things soon. 

King

Quote from: Kinglinksr on February 26, 2008, 11:19:40 AM
Man, finally got to watch it and I'm still just as confused.  I really hope they start answering things soon. 

King

Still have 2.5 seasons or so left King.  A long time to go.  But I think they are really revealing a lot lately.  I really like the flash forward stuff.  It's like putting together a puzzle now

I suppose they have been, but as many as they have answered, they have left me just as confused with new questions.  Ahh Lost.  You can't live with it or without it. 

King

Tonights episode really answered a lot.

It explained how Desmond could see the future, ala Slaughterhouse Five.
It explained what Penny was doing for the last 3 years.
It connected the Black Rock to the Widmores.
It explained that the giant flash at the end of season 2 was indeed electromagnetic energy generated by the island.
It told us there is definitely some sort of time dilation around the island, probably due to the electromagnetism.
It gave us a definitive date for how long they've been on the island.

I felt pretty satisfied with the episode, and am anxious for the next one.
Viva la Lost!

This was a fantastic episode, and gave us a lot of info about the Island and about Desmonds abilities. Really felt for him and Penny at the end. I like how Daniel is tied to Desmond now, and going through the samething possibly. Really liked how they brought the Black Rock back into the story, with Whitmore and Hanso.
Solid Episode, just fantastic, not sure what more I can say.

yes, as Gebular would say..

VERY entertaining! 

The Desmond/Penny phone conversation was awesome at the end. My wife was balling!

Yep - excellent episode.  I'm so happy I didn't quit on "LOST" early last year.  It's been "bloody brilliant" (as Des would say) this year so far.  Loved how this last episode ended too.

Just read this on TV guide.com... WARNING... there are somewhat meaty spoilers.. Read at your own risk.. I don't think they were bad but that's me. :)

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Lost: The Cast's Burning Questions Answered!
by Shawna Malcom

"It's no shock to say that Season 4 ends with the Oceanic 6 getting off the island," Lost executive producer Damon Lindelof shares with TV Guide. "The real mystery is how, and what they have to sacrifice, and what happens to the people who didn't leave. You get all that this year." Sounds good, we'll take it. But what other intel are producers willing to spill? To find out, we turned to no, not viewers but to Lost cast members themselves for their own burning questions. Warning! The producers' answers could cause a major head rush, if not a full-on Desmond-style time jump.

Jorge Garcia (Hurley): "Is Ben in the coffin?"
Carlton Cuse: Come on, Jorge!
Damon Lindelof: Seriously! [To Cuse] He's just trying to make sure it's not him. It's process of elimination. The next question is, "Is it Michael?" [Laughs]
Cuse: Before the end of the year, you will know who's in the coffin.
Lindelof: And Jorge will definitely know before anyone else.

Yunjin Kim (Sun): "Is Aaron actually one of the Oceanic 6?"
Cuse: We're not officially saying yet. We want the audience to engage in an active debate about who the Oceanic 6 are.
Lindelof: Following [Sayid's] episode, we got several inquiries we weren't anticipating about, 'Is Ben a member of the Oceanic 6?' He could've assumed the identity of somebody on the plane [with] no surviving family members. Who the actual six are is very much in play through the end of the [March 13th] episode. We'll confirm or deny after that.

Josh Holloway (Sawyer): "Is it Jack's turn with Kate?"
Cuse: [Laughs] That doesn't sound very romantic, but I guess we get the underlying meaning. The Jack-Kate situation remains unresolved and probably will be for a while.
Lindelof: We will say we haven't seen the last of Sawyer and Kate this season. Not by a long shot.

Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond): "It's 2004 on the boat. What year is it in Penny's world? What year is it when the Oceanic 6 get home?"
Lindelof: What's fundamentally interesting about all the time-jumping is that we want it to make sense when people watch the show 10 years from now. We don't want it to seem dated. So it's not really about what year it is in the outside world, it's about how many years have elapsed between the time that we're watching on the island and the flash-forwards. That's one of the fun games the audience is playing: "Gee, Aaron looks like he's about 18 months old. What does that mean, and how old was he when they got off the island?"
Cuse: There are some growth issues when you go on or off the island. But I can't say more about that.
Lindelof: You've already said enough.

Evangeline Lilly (Kate): "Did Michael reach the mainland? Go home? Come back to rescue us?"
Cuse: The good news is that Evie will get all of her answers in [the March 20th] episode.
Lindelof: Well, most of them.
Cuse: Those questions form the basis for that episode. Evie should be somewhat happy.

Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet): "Why did Juliet become such a badass? Who trained her — the Others?"
Cuse: I think there was probably some martial arts in New Otherton.
Lindelof: She probably went out shooting with Friendly back in the day, which is why she can handle a firearm so well. But the real inspiration for Juliet being a badass was Elizabeth herself. When she read for the part, she had this huge cast on her arm and was talking about her days of kickboxing....
Cuse: And then she beat Damon up.

Holloway: "Sawyer needs a freakin' haircut! Since I'm living with Hurley, can he cut my hair?"
Lindelof: [Laughs] That episode's a casualty of the strike.
Cuse: But yeah, Josh can have a haircut.
Lindelof: Josh might've forgotten, but this is a recurring request from him. He's like, 'My hair's getting long, can't Kate cut it?' So we did an episode [in Season 2] where Kate cuts his hair. I love how Josh chooses who's going to be his barber at any given time!

Cusick: "Did Jack's flash-forward in the third-season finale take place after the events of Sayid's most-recent episode?"
Cuse and Lindelof: Yes.

Naveen Andrews (Sayid): "Damon spoke once about going back into Sayid's childhood. It didn't sound like bulls--t at the time. Has he abandoned that?"
Lindelof: I love how he phrases it — "It didn't sound like bulls--t at the time" — [implying], "But it certainly seems like bulls--t now." [Laughs] It's certainly something we still want to do. It wouldn't necessarily be an entire flashback based in his childhood, but there may be significant things that happened when Sayid was a kid that we need to reveal.

Awesome. I love this show, and now I'm even more stoked. Thanks!

Michael is Ben's contact on the ship.

Tonight's episode was OK. It just seems like every week they introduce some small item and resolve it the same episode with no overall resolutions.....Still decent though.

Quote from: Blackride on March 06, 2008, 07:07:15 PM
Michael is Ben's contact on the ship.

I was hoping we would not see Michael again - but it makes sense.

I liked the episode tonight.  At first I didn't like Juliet and didn't trust her, but it seems pretty obvious she was just being used by Ben all along.  Again, this season has been very solid so far.  Can't wait to see what happens next.

A solid episode tonight. The story with Juliet was good, and can see if Jack continues with a relationship with her, he will even be more of a marked man by Ben, so should setup for some really good conflict. Seems like Ben still has things under control, even when he is a prisoner. The statement that Ben is exactly where he wants to be, makes me believe he truely still has things under control. The boat people still have me puzzled, and interesting to see that Whitmore is playing a big part in things, more so then being Penny's father.

Quote from: Blackride on March 06, 2008, 07:08:28 PM
Tonight's episode was OK. It just seems like every week they introduce some small item and resolve it the same episode with no overall resolutions.....Still decent though.

I think they are resolving a lot of stuff. Now we know why they had the gas masks that we saw in the beginning of the season. Now we have a better idea of who the people on the boat are. We know how Ben gassed the Dharma initiative years ago. We know more about Godwin and Juliette. We know that Ben has a thing for Juliette. I could go on. This tied up a ton of stuff, and gave a face to the other side of the fight for the island, that we probably suspected - Charles Widmore.

Anyway, I guess I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I think this show just keeps getting better, and they are really ramping up the tension. It is so much tighter than last year - and I loved last season.

Quote from: Locutus on March 06, 2008, 11:52:38 PM
I think they are resolving a lot of stuff. Now we know why they had the gas masks that we saw in the beginning of the season. Now we have a better idea of who the people on the boat are. We know how Ben gassed the Dharma initiative years ago. We know more about Godwin and Juliette. We know that Ben has a thing for Juliette. I could go on. This tied up a ton of stuff, and gave a face to the other side of the fight for the island, that we probably suspected - Charles Widmore.

Anyway, I guess I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I think this show just keeps getting better, and they are really ramping up the tension. It is so much tighter than last year - and I loved last season.

OK, I can definetly agree on your points above. Maybe I am just looking for something major to happen soon. Somebody needs to be killed off :)

The Oceanic 6 get off the island by the end of this season, and I think you are right about Michael. So that's pretty big.

Some things I want answered:
1) The statue with the four toes instead of five
2) Is the black smoke and the powder around Jacob's cabin the same thing?
3) Is Jacob the spirit of the island or is he a person trapped in time trying to get out?
4) What's with the moving house?
5) How did the Black Rock get to the middle of the island?
6) Why did Oceanic 815 go off course in the first place?
7) Is the electromagnetism of the island the only property that causes the healing, or are there other properties that work together?
8 ) Where is the Hurleybird? Is it another aspect of Jacob?

I could probably think of more questions, but those are the ones that immediately spring to mind.

How they are going to tie all these things together is beyond me.

"I am not a smart person but I know what love is" by Forest Gump

Someone, please explain tonights episode - especially the last 3 minutes.

I loved this episode.. I'm a huge Jin and Sun fan.. so it was good to see more of them this season.. what an emotional episode.

They totally had me with the Jin Flashback and Sun Flashforward intercut. When it ended I looked at Harry and said.. "What just happened" but then I thought about it and figured it out. Totally had me fooled.

So it looks like Sun is the last of the Oceanic Six (Kate, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Aaron and Sun).

I'm thinking Jin is still alive on the Island.. for some reason there was a limited amount of space for rescue and Jin made Sun go to save herself and the baby.

Seeing Micheal on the ship was very anti climatic for me. I had heard he was coming back and once I heard that Ben had a spy on the ship.. I thought of Michael and sure enough it was Michael.

Anyways a great episode tonight..

BTW.. Jin's date of death on the head stone was on Sept 22nd 2004 (that's the date the plane crashed)

Whoa. Good catch on the date.

I wasn't thinking that Ben was the one who staged the crash, but it makes sense. Well, as much sense as anything else. It also makes sense that Whidmore would want to add those resources to his own.

Yes, the Michael reveal was not too spectacular - unless you avoid spoilers and news about the show like many people do. We only have ourselves to blame for things like that being lukewarm. Although I would admit to a small thrill about being right about something on the show for once. ;)

I will say that this episode felt more manipulative than the previous ones. Most of the time, the show doesn't seem to intentionally obfuscate beyond the individual characters motivations. This one, with the flash forward and back and Kate oddly misrepresenting what happened at the power station, it felt forced.

Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2008, 11:28:50 AM


I will say that this episode felt more manipulative than the previous ones. Most of the time, the show doesn't seem to intentionally obfuscate beyond the individual characters motivations. This one, with the flash forward and back and Kate oddly misrepresenting what happened at the power station, it felt forced.

I am not sure if I liked that or not. I didn't see a purpose to it except to confuse us on purpose. Jin's story did not push the story forward at all and was just there to confuse. Other than that it was on par with the rest of the season for me. Still waiting for some sparks to fly :)

Pretty neat episode this week.  So yes, now we have the Oceanic Six.  They of course tried to fool us a bit.  I kind of picked up on Jin's story being in the past by his cell phone.  It was bigger than modern phones, pretty obvious I thought.  As far as the date on the headstone I'm a bit unsure if he is alive.  Sun was very upset at the cemetery.  It didn't looked faked to me.  I suppose she may of been told he was dead, but then why would the stone be dated for 2004?  That date would only make sense if they were trying to cover up for the rest of the people still on the island.  So I think he is either really dead and the date is a cover up or Sun just for some reason thinks he is dead.  The Michael part didn't do much for me.  It was expected.  But again, this season of "Lost" has been very, very good!

I am torn between the idea that they are covering up for the people still alive and that everybody but six people died in the process of those six getting off the island.

And they have said that Aaron may or may not be one of the Oceanic Six, so that may not be true.

Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2008, 07:26:47 PM
And they have said that Aaron may or may not be one of the Oceanic Six, so that may not be true.

For the preview of this episode it said "You will final know all of the Oceanic Six" or something like that.. and for the time you thought it was Jin and Sun as the fifth and sixth.. but in reality Aaron was the fifth and Sun is the Sixth. At least that is how I saw it.

Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2008, 07:26:47 PM
I am torn between the idea that they are covering up for the people still alive and that everybody but six people died in the process of those six getting off the island.

And they have said that Aaron may or may not be one of the Oceanic Six, so that may not be true.

Aaron is one of the six.  Also, it had been stated that the flash forward stuff will be caught up with in the series and basically there will be a reunion of people off and on the island.  So it certainly is not true that only six people have survived.  Remember some of them don't want to leave.  The island has been kept secret for a very long time and they are just trying to keep it that way.

Last night, I was starting to think more about a parallel universe idea and the island is kind of a nexus for that.  Perhaps Oceanic did crash in one universe but maybe the plane slipped into that universe from another.  So one plane is on the bottom of the ocean and one washed up on shore.  Might explain a lot.  Although I think there are some problems with that idea.

Quote from: Rico on March 15, 2008, 06:34:08 AM

Last night, I was starting to think more about a parallel universe idea and the island is kind of a nexus for that.  Perhaps Oceanic did crash in one universe but maybe the plane slipped into that universe from another.  So one plane is on the bottom of the ocean and one washed up on shore.  Might explain a lot.  Although I think there are some problems with that idea.

I am actually hoping they don't take the "Trek" way out of things. I am saying this because I don't want them to get to the final year and have no way to wrap everything up without making up some confusing technical reason all this happened. I don't disagree with your idea Rico but I am hoping it's something that makes me say: "OMG that's whats happening!", rather than saying "Those darn wormholes and the space time continuium".....ha ha

Yeah, I know what you mean.  However, I've thought all along that too many things have happened to have it be a simple answer to everything.  All the weird stuff on the island, time dilation, black mist, polar bears, seeing dead people, a plane of bodies on the ocean floor, magnetic changes, etc.  I think it's going to be very hard for all of that to be explained with simple, normal answers.

Quote from: Rico on March 15, 2008, 10:20:25 AM
Yeah, I know what you mean.  However, I've thought all along that too many things have happened to have it be a simple answer to everything.  All the weird stuff on the island, time dilation, black mist, polar bears, seeing dead people, a plane of bodies on the ocean floor, magnetic changes, etc.  I think it's going to be very hard for all of that to be explained with simple, normal answers.

Well, I did not know that about the preview, but now it makes sense, so Aaron is one of the six. Coolio.

The polar bears make sense, if you believe that the Dharma Initiative brought them there. Unless you prefer to believe that Walt has super mind powers, which I am fine with as well. The dead people and the black smoke I think are the same thing, and I think it's all tied to Jacob. I think he "controls" the smoke, as in it is his essence controlling the ring of black granules around his house (or, where it used to be), and the dead people are his way of communicating with the Losties. He can take on their form.

I am also fine with the idea of parallel universes, though, especially since Jack was looking for his father in his flash forward, and since he knows he's dead, that's just not possible, no matter how drunk he was. I also think that Ben staged the crash so they would stop looking for the Losties. (That was the impression I got from last episode, anyway, and it sounds pretty good, except there was that note to not trust the captain, so now who knows AAGGHHH!)

Ahem.

Anyway, I guess it depends on what one considers "normal". The creators have said that everything has a rational scientific explanation, but that doesn't mean it is a "provable" or "commonly accepted" explanation.

Warp drive has a rational, scientific explanation too.  Hehe!

I can tell you the answers to your questions:

In the first season in the Darma commercials they discuss nanotech. I believe that the black smoke is a nanotech colony that has gone wonky due to excess magnetic charge.

The same excess nanotech is also responsible for reparing poor Locke's body, but when they are not functioning, neither is he.

Psychic abilities are part of the Darma research as is eternal life and they have a monkey that has lived over a hundred years or so because of the treatments they did.

All the clues are there, we just have to piece them all together.

Quote from: Just X on March 16, 2008, 07:02:39 AM
I can tell you the answers to your questions:

In the first season in the Darma commercials they discuss nanotech. I believe that the black smoke is a nanotech colony that has gone wonky due to excess magnetic charge.

The same excess nanotech is also responsible for reparing poor Locke's body, but when they are not functioning, neither is he.

Psychic abilities are part of the Darma research as is eternal life and they have a monkey that has lived over a hundred years or so because of the treatments they did.

All the clues are there, we just have to piece them all together.

Well, I would agree with you if the producers/creators hadn't already said that unequivocally the black smoke are not nanobots or anything like that.

Unless they are lying. Which is possible, but they haven't lied yet, they just haven't given all the answers.

Sorry I am chiming in on this a little late, as I have been travelling for the past bit. I liked the last episode, and wondering about Jin and the Tombstone. With the date of Oceanic 815 crash, I really wonder what his status is. Sun and Hurleys emotion and taking the baby to the grave seemed to pretty real, more so then if they were just putting on a charade, why would they visit? I kind of guessed earlier that they were in different times, as in Jins story, the Shop Owner had said it was the year of the Dragon, and that was a few years before the crash, and quite a long time after.
The Michael reveal was not a shock to me, I had guessed quite awhile back he was on the boat. I am pretty interested to find out how he got there, so looking forward to it. Have to travel back on Thursday, so will have to wait until Friday to find out.

Finally got to see the last episode.  I.....really am unsure about Lost right now and can't say much that hasn't already been said.  As for Michael, bah, I knew he would come back.  Though honestly as a character, it annoys me to watch him in the first/second season. 

I hope this mess is cleaned up.  The flash forwards, flash backwards, and now time travel are driving me nuts!!

King

Again, it's going to be awhile King.  Just try and enjoy the ride.  They have two more seasons after this one to do still.

Quote from: Rico on March 19, 2008, 06:41:47 AM
Again, it's going to be awhile King.  Just try and enjoy the ride.  They have two more seasons after this one to do still.

Oh, I am, its just I want to know all!!  Mwhahahahahaha.  ;)

King

Quote from: Kinglinksr on March 19, 2008, 09:27:15 AM
Oh, I am, its just I want to know all!!  Mwhahahahahaha.  ;)

King

You and me both. ;)

Well, Meet Kevin Johnson was a pretty good episode, and many things are starting to clear right up about the entire show concept.

Also, the episode answered some questions and really didn't ask very many, although I am very angry with Sayid for his actions at the end.

Can't wait for the next ep!

I thought it was a pretty cool show as well. Good to see what happend to Michael after getting off the island, and not being able to kill himself. Was surprised that Sayid went to the captain as well, was not really expecting that. The stuff with Alex at the end was interesting, wondering if it is Ben pulling some more strings. Now I have to wait a month for the next set of episodes.

OK, I will bring this up and please understand I do not want to be controversial. When Michael went up to that guys hotel room (forgetting his name now) they obviously went out of their way to show that he was gay. I personally think that they did this to show the contrast of what is allowed on the island and it shows that people go off the island they actually express their selves in other ways.

I am assuming that once Ben finds out that one of his men is gay he is not going to be happy. Why do I say that? Well I say this because on the island, Ben's people all seem to have loved one's that they are trying to pro-create with. So since this guy can not pro-create I am thinking that this will be against Ben's rules.

Overall there must be a reason that they went out of the way to show that there was a gay relationship on the show. I am not saying it's a bad thing but it's there to push the storyline ahead somehow and I am trying to figure out why.

Thoughts?

It was an interesting episode, but since Michael has been gone so long I found I didn't really care much about learning what happened to him.  I'm wondering how long he will stay on the show?  Now we have about a month to ponder things until LOST returns at the end of April.  I didn't find any deep meaning in the showing the gay relationship.  It might be simply that there are no other gay men on the island.  He did say he likes to "indulge himself" when off the island.  I didn't have a big problem with Sayid in this episode either.  From his point of view he doesn't trust Ben at all and Michael betrayed them all once.  So I think his actions made sense.  The interesting thing is Sayid must eventually come to understand Ben more since he seems to work for him in the future.

It is possible that Ben might be opposed to people who cannot recreate. I took it more that when on the island, that Tom is probably limited to what he can do, and when off the island he makes sure to really indulge himself. Thought it was interesting and added a little more depth to the Character. Ben is a master manipulator and seems to know something about everyone, so I suspect he knows that Tom is gay. I liked how Miles pointed out to Locke that Ben was a manipulator, and was able to talk his way out of confinement to having supper with them. He added some doubt back into Lockes mind about Ben.

That was a great line, "Yesterday you had him tied up and today he's eating pound cake." or something like that.

:)

It just seems to me that every little piece of information has something to do with the main story or leads somewhere eventually. I think there is more to it than just adding to the character profile.

JJ Abrams and the people working on "LOST" are also masters of misdirection and manipulation.  It's their bread and butter.  Keep in mind how in just the week before they tried to make you think Jinn was going to see Sun have their baby and it turned out it wasn't the case.  They are like magicians as they weave this story.  They show you something to take your mind off something else - just like a magician does in their act.  So I firmly expect them to toss out all kinds of stuff that either have no meaning at all, or are just intended to misdirect the viewers.  They have done this constantly.  Just keep that in mind as you are feed clues and new things each week.

I find it interesting that if Tom was with a girl no one would have commented that they went out of the way to make him appear straight.

I don't think it matters at all if one character is or is not gay.

Quote from: Locutus on March 22, 2008, 09:59:52 PM
I find it interesting that if Tom was with a girl no one would have commented that they went out of the way to make him appear straight.

I don't think it matters at all if one character is or is not gay.

I don't think people are bad for noticing it or talking about it at all. The reason I was talking about it was that Ben seemed to place a high value on reproduction and wanted certain people together to pro-create. This is something Tom could not do while being gay.

That was all I was talking about. I was not trying to make this a social issue.

Quote from: Blackride on March 23, 2008, 04:51:26 AM

I don't think people are bad for noticing it or talking about it at all. The reason I was talking about it was that Ben seemed to place a high value on reproduction and wanted certain people together to pro-create. This is something Tom could not do while being gay.

That was all I was talking about. I was not trying to make this a social issue.

Whoa, big guy. ;) I wasn't saying anyone was bad or anything. I was merely commenting on the things we notice and the importance we put on them. When I saw that, my comment was "I guess Tom's gay." and that was it. It was the same for me as saying "That guy is married." or "I guess she's actually in her 40s."

I'm also not convinced the producers put any more thought into it than if they put Locke in green camo or tan camo, for instance. I think it was just a character moment. I mean, assuming the old statistics of ten percent of any population is gay, at least a couple of the characters would be, and it would be a bit of a cop out for them to say "Yes, we have gay characters, they just aren't the main ones."

So I agree, and I wasn't trying to make it a social issue either.

Sorry Locutus. I wanted people to understand that I myself was not making a social comment on the issue. I really had nothing at all wrong with what you said.

Wow.. just finished watching this weeks Lost... so many answers and what cliffhanger... thank goodness the strike ended when it did.. can you imagine if we had to wait till September for new episodes.. April 29th can't come soon enough.

Lost To Wrap Up In April

Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz, co-executive producers of ABC's Lost, told SCI FI Wire that the current season's final batch of new episodes will unspool a story arc based on a plan devised in anticipation of the writers' strike.

"The last two weeks before the strike, we actually sat down and said, 'Here is what we want to tell for the rest of the season,'" Kitsis said in an interview. "We all sat down, and the entire staff came up with a battle plan in place."

When Lost returns in late April, it will wrap up the fourth season with five episodes, three fewer than planned before the strike took place. "We got to tell a little more story this season than we anticipated," Kitsis said. "It's really worked out well. We came back from the strike, and everyone is just really excited, and I have to say, creatively, every day has been a pleasure. Everything we're doing right now is exciting, and every script that is going out, you're jealous if you didn't write it."

As for the missing episodes? "I feel that the three missing episodes will be made up over the course of the next two seasons," Horowitz said. "Seasons four, five and six are meant to encompass 48 episodes."

Kitsis added: "I have a feeling it will mean more, like, two-hour shows as opposed to more episodes, but those are decisions above our pay grade."

Season four has so far been marked with a continuation of the "flash-forward" storytelling technique introduced in the finale of season three. "This just seemed like the most interesting way to tell the rest of the story of the show," Kitsis said. "When we realized that we were only going to do three more seasons, it enabled us to starting thinking a little more out of the box in how we want to tell the remaining story that was left. The flash-forwards are, I think, just a great way to keep the show energized and tell the story in an interesting way. It was a brilliant idea by [executive producer] Damon [lindelof]."

Lost returns with new episodes on April 24 in its new Thursday timeslot at 10 p.m. ET/PT. --Kathie Huddleston

More Lost this season?

TV Guide's Michael Ausiello is reporting that the current season of Lost may be extended an episode if negotiations between producers and ABC work out.

The current season is set to run for thirteen episodes but an additional episode could be ordered and produced for the series' fourth season. The season was originally supposed to run sixteen episodes but was shortened due to the writers strike.

Ausiello told readers that while negotiations are on-going, this is not a done deal.

"In fact, the scheduling hurdles alone are enough to make a grown man cry," wrote Ausiello on his TV Guide blog. "But you have to admit, the prospect of a 14th hour is a tantalizing one."

The prospect of a fourteenth episode brings up some interesting questions about the rest of the season for the hit drama. One of the biggest is when would this proposed episode air. Lost is scheduled to end it season on May 22 as part of a big night of finales for the network. Ausiello speculates that a two-night event for the show could be one way to resolve this question.

Also, there is the question of how this could impact the completed episodes. Would they have to be re-edited for the new fourteenth episode?

Currently, Lost is set to end its season on May 22. The series will return with new episodes on April 24th in its new time slot of 10 p.m. EST.

ABC Confirms More Lost

ABC confirmed that it has ordered an additional hour of Lost and that the SF hit's two-hour season-four finale will air May 29 at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

ABC's announcement on April 14 confirmed a rumor, first reported by TV Guide columnist Michael Ausiello. The additional hour brings to 14 the number of hours in Lost's strike-truncated fourth season.

ABC noted that Lost will be pre-empted on May 22 due to a special two-hour Grey's Anatomy season finale.

Lost returns with the first of five new episodes on April 24 in its new timeslot, Thursdays at 10 p.m.

Lost Spoilers Revealed

Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, executive producers of ABC's Lost, offered reporters major spoilers for the remainder of the fourth season, which resumes with new episodes on April 24.

Speaking in a conference call with reporters on April 17, they revealed that Sawyer (Josh Holloway) is not one of the Oceanic Six; that the conflict between Jack (Matthew Fox) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn) will reach a head in the season finale; that viewers will learn more about the fate of Claire (Emilie de Ravin); and that viewers will learn more about what happened to Rousseau (Mira Furlan) and Karl (Blake Bashoff), who were shot by an unknown assailant and left for dead in the last original episode to air, "Meet Kevin Johnson."

Also, Cuse promised viewers will see the smoke monster again in the first new episode back. In upcoming episodes there will be more of the mysterious Jacob, and viewers will also finally learn more about the four-toed statue.

As for the two-part fourth-season finale, "There's No Place Like Home," the producers said there was no way they could squeeze in all the story they wanted to tell without expanding the final episode to two hours.

"We had an eight-hour story plan that got condensed down to five initially because of the strike," Lindelof said. "And in trying to cram all that story around the finale, the rubber hit the road. And we realized that it all felt very rushed and we were short changing our emotional moments. You know, our character moments. So we read the 80-page first draft of hour two and looked at each other and said, 'There's no way we're going to be able to cut this down to a 55-page script. Why don't we expand it to 100 pages?'"

The final three hours will deal with the romantic triangle of Kate (Evangeline Lilly), Jack and Sawyer. "All we can say is Sawyer is not one of the Oceanic Six, and Jack and Kate are," Lindelof said. "Obviously there will be a huge focus in these final three hours of the show that comprise the finale in terms of how that series of events transpires and what ultimately happens to Sawyer, and it's all on the axis of the love triangle. We think that both fans of Sawyer and Kate--otherwise known as the 'Skaters,' from what I am told--and Jack and Kate--the 'Jaters'--will have a bounty of interesting romantic scenes."

As for that standoff between Jack and Locke? "I think Locke and Jack, to us right from the beginning, represented the two significant philosophical poles of the show," Cuse said. "Jack was the ultimate empiricist, and Locke was the person who believed his fate and destiny were all tied up in the magic and mystery of this island. And the conflict between those two guys is really the central conflict on our show. So that's a theme we continue to explore. And there's a big culmination of that that takes place in this season's finale."

Beyond that, the series will be "revisiting the emotional idea" behind the kiss that Jack and Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) had early in the season, possibly in the May 1 episode, Lindelof said.

"There are definitely some very large and seismic events that will happen to our castaways between now and the end of the season," Cuse said. "And by the end of the season some people's fates will be clear. and others will not be so clear."

Lost returns with "The Shape of Things to Come," the first of five new episodes, on April 24 in a new timeslot, Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT. Part one of "There's No Place Like Home" will air on May 15. The two-hour second part will air on May 29 at 9 p.m.

(Because of the writers' strike, the fourth season was shortened by two hours, which will be bumped into the show's fifth or sixth seasons.) --Kathie Huddleston

::rubs hands with glee::

Fox: Lost Is Back With A Bang

Matthew Fox, who plays Dr. Jack Shephard on ABC's Lost, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming final five episodes of the fourth season will be packed with action, a few surprises and a change for his character.

"You won't believe what happens in the next five episodes," Fox said in a group interview on April 18 while promoting his upcoming film, Speed Racer. "The show is building to its climax of the year, and it's a lot of things happening. It's big, and it's going to be good."

Fox added that things may change for his character, who has appeared in "flash-forwards" as an emotional wreck. "Jack's a frickin' mess in the future," Fox said. "So that's been not pleasant to revisit that. It's never fun to put yourself into a place where you're suicidal and really, really messed up and desperate. So, yeah, he's really gotten to the rock bottom, but I understand why we're taking him there, and there will be a turn in there where he begins to sort of build towards a redemption. And taking him to the very pit of despair is going to make, I think, that more rewarding."

Lost has been on a break during the fourth season, which was interrupted by the writers' strike. "I think it's been a good year for us," Fox said. "The strike, obviously, was difficult, just because we were really on a roll through [episode] eight, then we took this break. But I think everybody was really excited to get back to it."

Now that the strike is over, the cast and crew have had to film several episodes at once in order to finish the season on schedule. "It's been, you know, chaotic," Fox said. "I mean, you know, as it always is this time of year for us. I mean, we're doing many shows [at once]. I think we're shooting three episodes simultaneously, essentially. So it's like anywhere between two and three units working at the same time and going back and forth between them and shooting things very out of sequence, which you always do, but I think when you're covering three episodes, it's a lot. But it's great. I mean, it's really great."

Lost returns with the first of its new episodes on April 24 in its new timeslot, Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT. --Cindy White

Lost's End Is In Sight

Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, executive producers of ABC's Lost, told reporters they know how the hit series will end when the show, now in its fourth season, finally finishes its run at the end of season six in 2010.

"The last scene has definitely been determined," Lindelof said in a conference call on April 17. "There would have to be some major shift in both our mindsets to back off that. That's what we've been working towards for a couple years now, even before the end date was announced. Now that the end date is announced, we're able to determine at what speed we're working. ... So we've got both pieces of bread that are eventually going to make the sandwich that is the remaining two seasons of the show, and now it's the matter of how much mayo we want to put on."

Lost returns to finish out its fourth season this month, and the producers have said they will do only two more seasons after that. This season, which was interrupted by the writers' strike, viewers got their first glimpse of the Flight 815 survivors once they leave the island.

"We view the show as a mosaic, [and] we're putting tiles in all over the mosaic," Cuse said. "And when the mosaic is complete, Lost will be complete. And obviously we put tiles in the present and the past. And with the flash-forwards, now we're putting them in the future. But it's entirely possible as we move into future seasons that that notion of what is the past, what is the future and what is the present on the show could change. So in other words, it's somewhat dependent from what point of view we are telling the stories. I don't think we have any hard and fast rules about what we must or must not do. In fact, we approach it and say, 'Hey, this is the narrative we're going to be telling in this season of the show. What is the best storytelling method to tell that story?'"

But is there a chance there may be more Lost in store in the form of a sequel once that last scene finally plays out? "Oh, God," Cuse said with a chuckle. "We're so focused on just trying to finish telling this story. I mean, we're really planning that when Lost has ended that we're not holding [anything] back. We feel that would do a disservice to the audience. We want the conclusion at the end of season six to be the end of the story. So that's how we're planning."

Season five, will most likely premiere at the end of January in 2009, Lindelof said. But fans may be able to get a glimpse of what the future holds both online and at Comic-Con International in San Diego this July.

"We're beginning discussions about what we're going to do between seasons and we have the kernel of a cool idea," Cuse said. "But, yeah, we loved Find815[.com] and we hope to do a similar thing where there is an online prologue that will lead into season five and hopefully generate some excitement and interest in what that season is going to be."

The producers are also discussing what they might do at Comic-Con, Lindelof said. "Which will be probably before any of that stuff leading into the season, but might be tied into it," he said. "Last year we showed the Orchid [orientation] video, which is going to pay off in a big way in the season finale this year. So we would love to do something similar. Give the Comic-Con fans an exclusive look at something." Lost resumes its fourth season with all new episodes on April 24 in its new timeslot, Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT. The season-four finale is set for May 29. --Kathie Huddleston

I am soooooooooooooooo looking forward to the rest of this season. This is one of the most consistently entertaining and well-written scif/fi shows still on the air, besides Battlestar Galactica.

Comic Con will be excellent.

Very good episode last night. Very intense and well acted.

I am going to have to go back to college and get another degree though to understand all that is going on :)

OK, last night's episode...

VERY INTENSE...

A little more insight on smokey the cloud, that was kind of cool.  Ben is a man of many talents.   Kind of harsh on Ben's daughter... ouch.  Cool little room that Ben went into.  I wonder what else he can control???   OK, how did Claire survive that?  Hmmmm.

All in all, it's hard to keep up with everything.  What a whirling bunch of puzzle pieces! 

So who is Jacob and what will he tell them to do??????  AHHHHHHH!

Very interesting episode.  Lots of stuff happened.  This series continues to evolve and move forward.  Ben is quite the character.  How did he get to the Sahara?  What exactly is the smoke monster?  Or Jacob??  Many questions.  And who else knew it was Jack's appendix?  If you have had yours out (I have) you would know immediately what his pain was from.  I guess Juliet is going to be doing a little surgery.  What I don't get is shouldn't the island be keeping everyone healthy?  Anyway - great show.  Loved how Bernard knew morse code.  That was cool!

Good point, Rico. What is the deal with the appendix?

The smoke monster - wow. That was awesome.

Great episode, and can't wait for the next one.

Yes, good episode. I must say I was stunned with the Killing of Alex, I did not think it would happen, then it did. I guess I was surprised that they killed off Roussuea the last episode, so not sure why I was surprised what happend to Alex, but I guess the way they did it.
I am thinking Ben got to Sahara the same way the polar bears did, or the way they were sending those rabbits in that viral video before the start of the season. I liked how they setup how Ben and Sayid started working with each other after getting off the island. Will be interested to see what happens with Locke and Jacob when he finds him, and what they are told. Ever since they announced the end date for this show, the storyline has really started to move.

Well I was finally able to watch last weeks episode... the body count continues to rise. I have a feeling no one else gets off the island because they are all dead. :) I like how the answer a few questions but ask many many more. One day we will have the answers.. at least I hope.

I'm pretty sure there are many still left on the island after the Oceanic Six are "rescued."  The producers have indicated that.  They have said the present time frame on the series will catch up with the flash forwards and we will see episodes showing what happens after the flash forward stuff.  So I'm thinking some or all of the Oceanic Six will return to the island and we will see what happens after they go back.

Another good episode of Lost last night. The flash forward stories are getting more and more intriguing with (dead)people coming to visit the Oceanic 6. Also was a bit shocked to see Claire and Clair/Jacks Dad holding her baby, not sure if he was in illusion or the real thing. I am thinking an illusion of some sort, as Miles never mentioned him. Also thinking that all the whispers in the Jungle are of people who have died, considering Miles heard them, and then basically tripped over Carl and Rousseau dead bodies. I also like what they are doing with Sawyer, they are making him more and more caring for his fellow losties. His concern for Claire, and know he is left with Aaron to take care of and get back to camp.

Another really great episode of Lost this week. Not really sure what to think of Claire now, is she Dead, or something else. Same with Jack/Clarie's Dad, I am wondering if he is an illusion, like a few others that occurred on the Island. I guess his body went missing after the crash, so something could be inhabiting it. I guess to show himself to Locke, who does not know who he is makes me believe he is more then some of the other dead people that had been seen on the island. I really want to know more about Richard as well, I thought he just aged slowly, but now thinking either he does not age at all, or travels through time somehow. Really looking forward to the next episode.

Boy, I am more mystified and confused than ever.  After last week's episode I am having a very hard time thinking all these things have logical, scientific answers.  The Richard guy really shocked me.  And of course Claire and her and Jack's father in the cabin that Locke saw was weird.  Now they are all going to be attacked.  It just seems to crazier and more wild each week this season.  But I am enjoying it!

Another great episode last night, really looking forward to the finale. The stuff with Hurley and his party was great, had me going at first that he was hearing the voices in his parents house, and then the numbers in his car. Sun taking control of her fathers business was great as well. I am getting the feeling that it might be the end of the road for jin. When they asked Sun about his death, she looked regretful, in that he may have had a heroic death in possibly saving the boat, but all she can say is that he died in the plane crash, and never let the world know that he was a hero. Just my guess on that, but since Jin and Sun have been on the beach pretty much the whole season, I am guessing not much more for them as a couple for story, and Jin may have redeemed himself a good man and Husband. I was also thinking, that maybe it is Ben in the coffin, or someone that is said to be Ben. I don't think it will be any of the Oceanic 6, so also possible Michael (Kevin Johnson), but I think my main guess will still be Ben, or a body that is to represent Ben. Really looking forward to the last episode of the season, but not looking forward to having to wait for the next season.

That was a pretty shocking episode last night. 

Knowing that Ben survives made it less tense in the scene where the gun is at his head.  I really enjoyed the Hurley scenes too.

Good show, but crazy!!!!  What will/did/is happen(ing)?  :)

I really liked this most recent episode.  Lots of neat stuff came out.  Finally Jack knows about Claire.  I liked how we got to see a little bit of everyone almost in this one.  I enjoy those episodes more than the ones just focusing on a couple of people.  The finale in 2 weeks should be great!

I'm still LOST..you wouldn't get ME running around that damn island with a Polar Bear and a Smoke Monster still on the loose....not to mention Wild boars and Jack's Dead father :D
It's all good, though

Ok, lets get the finale discussion started.  First, I really enjoyed the 2 hour finale.  It really moved.  I like how it involved everyone pretty much and used them well.  And it really tied a lot of things together.  Ok now on to my questions, thoughts, etc.

1)  Since the boat blew up, did that kill most of the other folks from the crash off?  Are all or most gone except the ones left on the island and the Oceanic Six?  Desmond was trying to get them off the boat but do you think any others made it off and back to the island??

2)  What is Kate's problem with Locke?  Or whatever that new name was he was using?  I'm guessing he gets off the island obviously at some point during the three years that have gone by.

3)  I liked the stuff between Locke and Ben.  But "move the island????"  Come on!  How???  At first I thought he moved it through time.  That would cause it to be in a different location in the present since there is movement of continents, drift, etc.  But it would have to get moved thousands of years - or more to make it move as far as it did to get out of sight of the copter.

4)  So it looks like Charlotte was born on the island?  I guess.  So what does that mean?

There are a lot of other things of course.  Like why does everyone keep seeing Claire and Jack's dad everywhere?  Anyway, I really enjoyed this last season however I'm starting to doubt that the conclusion and answers for this series will ever be able to satisfy me.  But I am certainly enjoying the ride.

I thought the the season Finale was great, and it is going to be a tough wait for season 5.

I have the same questions about the boat as you Rico, I am wondering if some of them survived. Jin was on the Deck, and all we really saw of the explosion of the boat was from afar, so I guess for me, I am going to still consider him around somewhat. I think with Michael seeing Christian Sheppard, I think that he might be dead, as maybe like some of the others on the island who died, he atoned for what he had done. If the Island had the power to project Christan onto the boat, maybe it had they power to get the others who did not die on the boat back to the island. I think I am going to add Daniel and the others on the zodiac, as possibly still being around, as I do not believe they made it to the boat, and they were off the island. I do not think that Daniels story is resolved yet for me.

I am not really sure what to think of Claire either, is she dead or not? Hurley saw Charlie at the start of the season, and now Kate saw Claire, but with Kate it seemed more like a dream. But it was a warning not to take Aaron back to the island.

I am thinking with Locke, he must be working like Ben to protect the island from Whitmore and the other people looking for it, so maybe that is why he came back from the island. I find it weird that even though he is using an alias, everyone who has encountered him off the island refers to him with that name. I suspect part of it is to protect the reveal at the end of the episode, but does not seem very natural to me.

The move the Island is interesting to say the least, and was not really expecting what happend. I am looking forward to next season with the time travel element possibly coming into play. Certainly a lot more questions for me on that part.

I liked that Charlotte was born on the Island and decided to stay, also that Miles decided to stay as well, as it will add some new stories and experiences for them on the island. I still think Daniel is in play as well, as we never saw him after the boat explosion, or Island move, so I do not see him as being gone.

I must say I really liked what they did with Sawyer, with him jumping off the helicopter, so that the others could get back to the boat. His character has come a long way since the first season.

So much in that episode left to think about, and for a finale it maybe did not have as big of a cliffhanger as a few of the others, but it had a lot more stories and questions for me to think about over the break.

Yeah - I like Sawyer a lot too.  One of my favorites.  And like you said Jeff, lots to ponder over the summer about what we just saw.

Okay I just finished watching and here is my theory.

1) The Island was transported several years into the future.

2) I believe now that at the core of the island is a micro whitehole. This would explain the way that time is faster on the island and why time can go screwy.

3) If we assume that souls exist and are some form of energy, the white hole could be the explanation on why the dead are still around.  If the soul is the charge and the body is the battery, if we have a bunch of excess energy, I can see how the soul could stick around without having to need a body to be seen. Kinda like when you expose a florescent light to a really high voltage of electricity. It doesn't need to touch the electricity to light up.


And I just love this:

http://octagonglobalrecruiting.com/

I loved last nights Lost finale... it was an emotional roller coaster. Jin dying (???) and Sun's reaction was very moving. Both of those characters have come such a long way in the Lost story. I'm not sure what Sun is up to with teaming up with Whitmore.. unless she knows that Ben is the one that killed the guy who set the bomb in the first place that blew up the freighter, or she is setting up Whitmore and is working with Ben also. But she has changed from this supposedly sweet submissive woman to someone of power. 

Like Jeff said.. Sawyer has come a long way also sacrificing his freedom to save the others, while it was to save Kate, but still he's turned into a really good guy.

Don't have a clue with Claire and her deal.. is she dead??

I googled Jeremy Bentham (Locke), he's another philosopher who believed in social reform. I love the details Lost puts into their episode.

A few answers but many more questions. Like what happen to the few folks on the Zodiac they weren't on the Island and didn't quite make it to the ship.. are they drifting in the ocean? What happen to the folks who were on the freighter like Jin... did they jump off in time and if they did when the freighter sunk did the suction take them down with it. And why the big cover up. They kept saying it was to protect the rest of the people but that doesn't make sense since the Island is gone, no one can find it and this entire time Jack's goal was to get folks off the Island.

I don't know how the Lost writers do it.. but they constantly amaze me year after year on telling us this amazing and very complicated story.

Quote from: Just X on May 30, 2008, 07:08:51 AM
And I just love this:
http://octagonglobalrecruiting.com/

This has something to do with Comic Con this year.. same dates and in San Diego. Hmmmmm

I think the cover is to also protect the Oceanic Six.  Keep in mind the world thinks most of the people sunk and are on that plane on the bottom of the ocean.  If Jack and the others started to say that was fake and make "noise" their lives would be in danger.

I also don't think Jin is dead.  The boat took a little while to completely blow up.  Plenty of time to jump in the water, maybe get to the Zodiac, etc.  I think more people survived than we think.

Talk about being bitter....

Harold Perrineau Dishes on his Lost Exit (Again)
by Shawna Malcom

Lost's breathtaking finale will no doubt have fans feverishly dissecting its innumerable puzzles until the show returns in early 2009. (Read our recap and weigh in with your thoughts!) Locke (aka Jeremy Bentham) is in the coffin?! What "very bad things" happened after the Oceanic 6 left the island?? How in Jacob's name is Ben gonna help all of them — plus Locke! — get back there??? And exactly where did the former Others ringleader and that wacky frozen device move the island to?

But at least one major character's fate was definitively sealed with the close of Season 4 when Michael (Harold Perrineau), the suicidal castaway — and father to "real big" mystery boy Walt — perished aboard the fiery freighter. "Michael had an incredibly heroic, noble death," says executive producer Damon Lindelof. "He sacrificed his own life to redeem himself for past mistakes and to help the Oceanic 6 get off the island." Sound familiar? It was this time last year that we were mourning the loss of the similarly selfless Charlie. Though Michael got a little something special that the ex-junkie rock star did not: a surprise send-off from Christian Shephard.

Shortly after he wrapped filming, an emotional Perrineau — who made a much-hyped return to the series in March after leaving in Season 2 — called to chat about his explosive second exit, the mad dash home to be with pregnant wife Brittany and why he feels the lack of a Michael-Walt reunion was "not cool."

TV Guide: Did you know Michael was being killed off when you returned?
Harold Perrineau: I had no idea. It's like, what the hell? I came back for that?

TV Guide: You're laughing as you say that, but you don't sound particularly pleased.
Perrineau: I'm disappointed, mostly because I wanted Michael and Walt to have a happy ending. I was hoping Michael would get it together and actually want to be a father to his kid and try to figure out a way to get back [home]. But this is [the producers'] story. If I were writing it, I would write it differently.

TV Guide:: So when did you get the news?
Perrineau: [lindelof and fellow executive producer Carlton Cuse] called before the finale scripts were out. They said they weren't going to continue with Michael.

TV Guide:: And what did you say to that?
Perrineau: At this point, I've been on the island, off the island, back on the island — so I just went, "Oh, ok." [Laughs] This is their show and they know what they can or cannot write. I thought it was disappointing and a waste to come back, only to get beat up a few times and then killed. I felt like it was sort of pandering to some fans who wanted to see Michael punished because he betrayed people.

TV Guide: Are you referring to when he shot and killed Ana Lucia and Libby in Season 2?
Perrineau: Exactly. I honestly feel like Michael's death served a really weird bloodlust for the fans.

TV Guide: Were you disappointed Michael and Walt didn't reconnect before your character died?
Perrineau: Listen, if I'm being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show. Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn't interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn't so interesting. [Responds Cuse: "We pride ourselves on having a very racially diverse cast. It's painful when any actor's storyline ends on the show. Harold is a fantastic actor whose presence added enormously to Lost."]

TV Guide: Take me back to your last day of shooting.
Perrineau: My last day was kind of hectic. [Production] was trying to get me out because, at the time, my wife was a centimeter dilated.

TV Guide: Was she in labor at the hospital when you got back to L.A.?
Perrineau: No, I got home and then for another week, the baby would not come! We were like, "Seriously, dude, I was in Hawaii rushing like a madman!" I was talking to the baby, my wife was walking around, practically hiking, but the baby just would not come out! [Laughs] So we went to the hospital a week later and induced. A beautiful little girl came on May 7. Wynter Aria — I thought it was a nice name. It's poetic, and she's a little poetry in our life.

TV Guide: Let's talk highlights. Surely, you had some positive experiences on Lost.
Perrineau: Doing the job in Hawaii was cool. Getting to meet and work with [co-creator] JJ Abrams was very cool. The day we found out the show [premiered] so well [in 2004] was an amazing day. We were all so hopeful and excited. The first season was one of my best years as a working actor. Not to say there weren't tough times, but I loved the first season. And that one of my best friends, Dan [Dae Kim, who plays Jin], and I got to do pretty much the whole finale together.

TV Guide: Dead characters have a way of returning to the show. Would you be open to that?
Perrineau: I'd love to go back and work with people I really like working with, but I would have to know what was happening [story-wise] before I showed up again. Because this [last] storyline, I full-on feel, "No, that's not cool.'"

TV Guide: What's next for you?
Perrineau: This movie I did with Stephen Dorff called Felon is probably coming out at the end of the summer. And I'm in talks for a couple different films.

TV Guide: Any final thoughts?
Perrineau: Just that I hope the show continues to thrill people. I'm sorry to have to go, but I'll see you in another incarnation. I'll re-create myself because that's what I do. That part of leaving is pretty cool.

Agreed, does sound like a bit of sour grapes. I do understand his Disappointment, as the way they hyped his Character, and then what happend this season is probably not very satisfying for him as an actor. I guess the producers are probably in a tough spot with his Character, given more so that Walt has aged so much since the start of the show, probably a tough storyline to work with to find a satisfying conclusion. He did not close the door on returning, but with that attitude I would be surprised if he was asked back.

WOW!  Talk about burning some bridges.  "LOST" has killed off many characters over the years.  Actually lots of "white" characters before he got blown up - (I will say since he mentioned the race issue).  These guys are telling a story and he is an actor hired to do a job.  Oh well, goodbye Harold/Michael.

Yea, what a....whiny person.  *Whaaaaa I got kicked off the show again whaaaaa*.  Sheesh. 

King

Spoiler Alert:

Is that the end of the show now?  In a way I hope so.  The Island has disappeared, many are dead, Locke in a box, transporter is broken, and plot is crazy!  But please - no one go back to the island!  I wouldn't!  what good thing has happened there for most of the characters??

Vartok

I don't think he's whining at all. He gave a valid opinion on what he felt was a missed opportunity. I think that as an actor I would be a little upset if I suddenly got called back only for that to happen.

Then you have to look at the story. His character was pretty much assassinated during season two. He went from a man struggling to be a father and get his kid back and off the island to becoming a murderer.

A stupid murderer at that. One that for some reason tells his kid that he killed two people to get him off the island? Come on...

So he comes back to a story that we suddenly find him returning to the island, but Walt isn't there. We then find he told Walt and has been trying to off himself until he starts working for Ben for a way to die? Is it that hard to mend fences with your kid that you have to work for an enemy so that you can finally kill yourself?

It was an interesting storyline, but core parts of it was flawed and I'd be a little upset too if I was the actor that had to do it. He was also right about the end result playing into a common hollywood stereotype about a fatherless black kid and nothing of Walt's abilities seem to have deserved mention.

Walt gets brought back, but none of the things that made him interesting are even brought up. Over all, the Michael / Walt arc was so weak that it didn't need to be there at all.

Then again Lost is also the master of viral marketing and who knows if this whole interview isn't a red herring that makes us think that Michael is dead and gone.

Rico was right about "whites" dying and getting blown up, but I think some people might say that every minority except for three were killed on the island. I think that the actor shouldn't have said what he did, but there are fans that have noticed that the very diverse cast has lost over 70% of the minorities.

Again this isn't to start an argument, but to point out that the actor's comments could be considered justified to him if put in context. While there are more "main character" minorities than normal on the show, there have been far more of them killed off or moved from the show than their counterparts.

Quote from: Just X on May 30, 2008, 10:28:20 AM
It was an interesting storyline, but core parts of it was flawed and I'd be a little upset too if I was the actor that had to do it. He was also right about the end result playing into a common hollywood stereotype about a fatherless black kid and nothing of Walt's abilities seem to have deserved mention.

Walt gets brought back, but none of the things that made him interesting are even brought up. Over all, the Michael / Walt arc was so weak that it didn't need to be there at all.

Then again Lost is also the master of viral marketing and who knows if this whole interview isn't a red herring that makes us think that Michael is dead and gone.

I am wondering if now that the Show in a sense has caught up to Walt's age again, if he will come into play more in the next few seasons. Given the amount of time that passed on the island compared to how much Walt had aged in real life, they were not really able to include him in the story. I am hoping and guessing that the producers and writers have not forgotten about Walt's abilities.

I also had the same thought as you well reading the article, that this might be a bit of a trick, and that the next season Michael will wash up on the beach alive and well. I guess time will tell on that.

Quote from: Just X on May 30, 2008, 10:28:20 AM
While there are more "main character" minorities than normal on the show, there have been far more of them killed off or moved from the show than their counterparts.

This is what gets me sick.  I have a whole rant on why this does, but I'd rather keep this on-topic. 

And as for your comments Just X, I'll agree with you, his character has always been weak and we cheered when he did finally leave the island.  Those two characters were never needed and only cause me grief when I watch the 1-3 seasons.  He goes from a bad, overprotective father, to a murderer who is stupid, to a guy who can't die.  I highly doubt he is dead because he'll come back somehow.  But I'll still sigh when he comes back because his character is overall weak and unneeded.  So is Walt.

King

Quote from: Rico on May 30, 2008, 08:30:41 AM
I think the cover is to also protect the Oceanic Six.  Keep in mind the world thinks most of the people sunk and are on that plane on the bottom of the ocean.  If Jack and the others started to say that was fake and make "noise" their lives would be in danger.

I also don't think Jin is dead.  The boat took a little while to completely blow up.  Plenty of time to jump in the water, maybe get to the Zodiac, etc.  I think more people survived than we think.

I hope so for Sun and the baby sake but 3 years is a long time with no word.   It was great to see "brotha" and Penny together - I wasn't expecting that and they way they were rescued was good - as long as everyone keeps quiet - not going to happen.  I figured it was Locke at the end since the end of last season.  Was that in Sydney ?  I don't feel right about liking Ben.  I still think he is in this for himself and is only using them.   Sayid finally opens up his can o'whoop ass !!  The delorean at the end - oh man - like a giant microwave oven.  I was originally not keen on season 4 but I was very happy with the last show.   Yeah - I'll be watching whenever it comes back.

I heard that season five won't start until the beginning of 2009...

Just X - I respect and understand what you have to say.  But frankly, I still say actors are hired to do a job.  Generally they have no say at all in story or plot elements.  Whether you think the story is well done is one issue.  But frankly has nothing to do with any particular actor keeping their job or not.  It isn't their show.  And for an actor to speak out like this serves very little purpose.  Except to perhaps make people think twice about hiring him again.

Quote from: Rico on May 30, 2008, 11:17:07 AM
Just X - I respect and understand what you have to say.  But frankly, I still say actors are hired to do a job.  Generally they have no say at all in story or plot elements.  Whether you think the story is well done is one issue.  But frankly has nothing to do with any particular actor keeping their job or not.  It isn't their show.  And for an actor to speak out like this serves very little purpose.  Except to perhaps make people think twice about hiring him again.

Rico, I totally agree that actors are hired to do a job, but I think them having an opinion on their job is a perfectly valid one. He did the job to completion and afterwards, he spoke out about how he didn't like the direction they took the character.

To me, this is like any other job that you do and don't like what happened while doing the job. You still get it done, you don't have to like what happened, but you also don't have to be quiet about it.

The funny thing is that he hasn't said anything that other won't be talking about. People are going to discuss the lackluster Michael return and his comments for a while. Personally, I think that was the point of the comments. Had he had any true ill will, he could have voice things before the season ended or said how things weren't what he expected.

This seems to be after the season finale, so the comments don't hurt the show in any way, but it does bring up another watercooler point to keep lost in the mind for a bit longer.

I know that some people would rather the actors just do their job, but I think that if we hire people to do job, we can always expect them to be people and someone who is upset about something will say that. He isn't the first or the last actor to get upset about a role and in my experience, I like to here way a person has to say about a show for good or ill.

When Blalock spoke out about the Trip/T'pol storyline, I was shocked at how she worded it, but she did have some good points. Unless the show is B5 where everything was done mainly by one person, other people will have voices on how they think the characters should act, what they should say, and their future, but it's the actors that have to do the job from show to show. While they don't write the words, over time, they can get a feel for what they thing their characters should be doing.

When they see something wrong, I like it when they speak out. If more people would have spoke out at the time, I don't think that the end of Enterprise would have been what it was. Most of the crew and many of the fans felt that Riker and Troi should not have been there, but they didn't speak up until after it aired. Many fans agree with them that it was out of place.

In the end I guess I am saying that I like it best when there is one person leading the story or when there are more than one person writing the story, the actors views should be considered because they just might know more than some per episode writer.

Not to continue this too much more.  There is a big difference though between him and your average Joe who is unhappy with something at work.  The average Joe isn't an actor on a popular TV series who will have his comments become part of the public record.  I just think he said some things he will come to regret.  And that's never a good thing for anyone.

I agree with Rico 100% and I would like to add.. I didn't know who Harold Perrineau was before Lost. I think Lost made him a recognizable actor. Now when I see him on other things I say.. "oh there's Michael from Lost."

I can understand that. I've been a fan of his since Romeo + Juliet and enjoyed seeing him in the matrix movies. I was actually shocked when he took a network TV role, but I do understand where you both are coming from.


Oh! How did I forget his performance on OZ?

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 30, 2008, 12:37:51 PM
I agree with Rico 100% and I would like to add.. I didn't know who Harold Perrineau was before Lost. I think Lost made him a recognizable actor. Now when I see him on other things I say.. "oh there's Michael from Lost."

I remember Michael from Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions, Locke from Alias and Charly from LOTR.  The other main actors were all new to me.

When Ben suckered him into shooting Libby and the other girl, I found it hard to think of him as a good guy anymore.  I know he did all this for Walt but he crossed the line more then once.

Actors have a lot of input on their characters, and many times the character itself changes based upon the actor hired for the part. Such is the way with Lost, as Jack was supposed to be killed off in the first episode, but they liked the actor so much he stayed on the show and is now, well, who he is.

Knowing this, it is strange to think they could not have found a way to bring Micheal back and give him a compelling storyline. Knowing this, it is difficult to believe they could not have been more sensitive to the stereotype of a fatherless black boy, etc. And the way Perrineau said they called him and what they said, that they would not be continuing with Micheal, made it sound as if they made a decision not to keep him on the show, not that they finished his storyline. Or rather, they they abreviated his storyline to get rid of Perrineau.

It sounds like all of you, except JustX, are saying "You are a shell who does what people tells you for money. Shut up and dance, monkey." Actors are real people, all evidence to the contrary. They like and dislike things and have opinions. I can understand not wanting to listen to them on politics, but on acting? That's what they do! Believe me, the entire cast and crew has opinions on these shows, and many times it can influence the show itself. He really didn't burn any bridges, he merely stated he was unhappy with how they treated the character. If they need him back, they will ask him, but it sounded to me like they were done with him or felt it wasn't worth having him there.

On the other side, Perrineau might be a real pain to work with and they decided to let him go like this. It happens. So really no burned bridges there either - they could have shut him out.

Anyway, great episode, looking forward to next season,.

Locutus - it's one thing to listen to their advice on their characters and acting - it is quite another to have the actors direct the plot.  Yes, I am well aware that on some shows and in some cases this does happen.  But that is rare.  Typically they do the scripts as written for them.  Allowing those running the show to do their jobs.  These TV series have writers that are quite capable and I would guess have a set of goals in mind for the show.  From what I can see this is the direction they wanted to take the Michael character.  But Perrineau seems to be taking it personally.  Of course anyone wouldn't be happy with losing their job - especially on a hit TV show.  But that's Hollywood sometimes.  And again, on "LOST" no one is safe.

Those are Harold Perrineau thoughts and opinions, and he certainly allowed to have them, I don't think anyone is arguing that. Like Rico said, those comments that are now public could come back to haunt him in the future when he auditions for other work. Everyone chooses to express themselves in their own way, and I have no doubt he was disappointed with the course of his character. It has always been a flawed character on the show, from being a bad inattentive Dad, to an over protective Dad, to a dispute with Jin, to his single mindedness of building the boat, to being a moody after loosing Walt, to running off and not waiting for the losties to help, to coming back and murdering 2 Oceanic Survivors, to setting up Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley who were trying to help you get Walt back, to leaving everyone on the island by making a deal with the Enemy. I can see where he was disappointed, as his character has been pretty disliked from the start, and the writers and producers may have felt there was nothing much they could do with the character. I know for myself I probably would not be happy, but would have tried and been much more diplomatic when asked about my experiences. I know the other day at work, we were in an outage review over an issue that had come up a few days earlier. A change was made to a piece of hardware, which caused the problem based off a recommendation from an architect. The tech did his very best to not put the finger on the senior person. Everyone understood, as when you have mouths to feed and bills to pay, sometimes you cannot say exactly what you want. That is not ideal, but unfortunately the real world. Like you mentioned, maybe Perrineau already has an reputation which the producers are well aware of, but maybe a more diplomatic response would have better serving for his career.

Rico and jeffjeff - I will agree that a level of diplomacy may have been more appropriate. And I will also agree that actors do not always get to dictate their character - especially on a show like Lost.

I will say, Rico, that the actors inform their characters probably much more than you may think, but again, on Lost that just may not be quite the case. There is a specific story being told and the producers have more control than usual over the characters. (Believe me, you do NOT want the average producer on set more than absolutely necessary, much less dictating anything to the actors. That's how you have things like Fonzie jumping a shark.) Lost is very much a special case.

BTW - I just picked up the third season on DVD at Costco for $30. Woot! Love this show!

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Pilots: 'Lost' Star Stays with ABC

Dead doesn't necessarily mean gone from "Lost" entirely. That said, don't expect Michael to be popping back up on the show in the immediate future.

Harold Perrineau, who played the doomed Michael Dawson on the ABC series, has moved on to another show at the network. He headlines a round of pilot casting at the Alphabet that also includes Gail O'Grady and Rick Gomez.

Perrineau has joined the cast of the drama pilot "The Unusuals," according to The Hollywood Reporter. He'll play a paranoid New York detective who never removes his bulletproof vest. The ensemble show follows the goings-on at a police precinct in the Big Apple.

Former "NYPD Blue" regular O'Grady, meanwhile, has signed onto David Hemingson's untitled legal drama at ABC. The actress, who had a recurring role as a judge on "Boston Legal" the past two seasons, will play a hard-driving lawyer at the L.A. firm where the show is set. Additionally, George Segal ("Just Shoot Me"), Alexandra Holden ("Friday Night Lights") and Lolita Davidovich ("The Agency," "September Dawn") have been tapped as guest stars for the pilot.

Gomez ("What About Brian") will star opposite Bobby Cannavale in Rob Thomas' "Cupid" remake. He'll play the owner of a bar who gives Cannavale's character -- who believes himself to be Cupid, the Roman god of love -- a place to stay.

Also at ABC, Sarah Lafleur has been cast as Josh Cooke's girlfriend in the David Kohan-Max Mutchnick comedy. Her credits include episodes of "Without a Trace" and "Grey's Anatomy" and the Sci Fi Channel flick "Lake Placid 2."

Does anyone else find it ironic that he is playing a paranoid cop who never takes off his bulletproof vest in this new pilot?

Quote from: Rico on June 02, 2008, 12:18:28 PM
Does anyone else find it ironic that he is playing a paranoid cop who never takes off his bulletproof vest in this new pilot?

I thought the same thing!

:)

I FINALLY watched the finale :).

I am thinking that if you can move the island through time, then you can bring back people from the dead essentially. If you know they die you can avoid it and bring them to the island. Just throwing the idea out there.

Interesting thought.  But I am wondering if they can only go forward in time?

Quote from: Rico on June 08, 2008, 07:08:55 PM
Interesting thought.  But I am wondering if they can only go forward in time?

I personally was hoping this was not a "Rip in The Time Space Continum" thing. I've seen that so many times in Trek :)

I do think that they HAVE to return to the island because their missing from some point in time is causing an in-balance or something.