Which ones do you hate the most? The ones that make you change the channel?
For me it is:
3. Code of Honor
2. Forces of Nature
1. Shades of Grey
Hands down, Shades of Grey.
That was by far the worst episode.
At least I can watch the other ones.
I can only think of one episode that I couldn't get at least a little enjoyment from-- the episode in which the away team ends up in a reproduction of a casino. I think it was called "The Royal". Over all these years, I've seen every episode of TNG at least a half a dozen times, except that one. I've seen it exactly once; and haven't bothered to look back.
***EDIT***
Oh yeah; I forgot about "Shades Of Grey". :thumbsdown
I think I had somehow managed to subconsciously erase that episode from my memory until now. ???
Flashback clip show = :wallbash:
Shades of Grey
was definitely crap. I was wondering what there problem was while watching that episode. I figured they just had to throw something together to fill the air time.
I had to look up your other two but I can't think of anything that belongs in the same category with Shades of Grey. LOL
Yeah, "The Royale" was pretty bad. Still significantly better that Shades of Grey.
psik
Shades of Grey was a clip show. As if it didn't have an army of fans watching every frame of the show as it was. Would have been cool if he would have relived memories from before the show started.
Forces of Nature was a downer and a little too preachey for me. I am personally not on the same political side as most of the entertainment world, but like TV to raise issues. This episode didn't try to tell us what to think about like the comperable Voyager episode with the trash ship, but it tried to tell us what to think.
Code of honor was just boring and poorly done in my opinion.
I did really like The Royal. I'd give that one another try. Not so much that Riker, Worf and Data are in an early 20th centary casino, but the mystery of the lost ship and what happened to that one surviving human and the aliens building the casinio. We see his dead body in bed was the most memorable scene in the episode.
hmmm I can't say I "hate" any of the episodes. And as for not watching something or turning the channel that would never happen. If Trek is on the air, I'm watching it. Of course I have favorite episodes that I watch more then others but I have and always will enjoy all Trek.
BTW.. Season Two, the season with the Shades of Grey finale was the year the TV writers went on strike. If you notice there are only 22 episodes that season, the rest have at least 26. Shades of Grey was a way for them to produce another episode that didn't require a writer. As for showing clips before Riker had joined Enterprise that would defeat the purpose of a "clip show".
Well People like Tapestry. Where is pretty much the same story but instead of clips, Q gives Picard a chance to make things different. Then sees that things would be better to leave them as they are.
It seems that they didn't have a writer for most of season 2 with episodes like The Child, The Icarus Factor and Up The Long Ladder.
Yea, force of nature is a bit preachy and it makes Starfleet seem evil...I'm glad they "fixed" the episode with the new warp engines on the Sovereign classes and other classes. I think the worst episode was...the one with the retarted aliens. Extremely annoying. Wanted to kill myself by the end of it. jk not really.
Tapestry was a good episode I thought. The icarus factor was a semi-good one. The child...i lived with it.
King Linksr
Quote from: Kinglinksr on October 13, 2007, 10:15:21 AM
... I think the worst episode was...the one with the retarted aliens. Extremely annoying. Wanted to kill myself by the end of it. jk not really.
That was "The Samaritan Snare", right? The one where the Packleds kidnap Geordi to fix their ship? Yeah, that one was kind of weak, but not nearly as bad as "Shades of Gray".
QuoteTapestry was a good episode I thought. The icarus factor was a semi-good one. The child...i lived with it.
King Linksr
Tapestry is one of my all time favorites! Provoking the Nausicans... Picard was a cheeky son of a gun back in the day. :)
"you make things go!"
:roflmao
Quote from: moyer777 on October 13, 2007, 11:18:46 AM
"you make things go!"
:roflmao
Yes...terrible....just annoying.....I could go on, but why bother.
King Linksr
First 2 seasons and some episodes in the 7th season. All equally bad so I can't pick just one. DS9 is the only show I enjoyed all 7 seasons.
The 1st season is painfull!
QuoteThat was "The Samaritan Snare", right? The one where the Packleds kidnap Geordi to fix their ship?
ROFLMAO
Yeah, that was another really weak one. I really just tend to forget those. Shades of Grey is actually the only one that was SO BAD that I remember that it was
BAD. :shootgun:
psik
The first two seasons had lots of problems from costumes, lighting, color use, etc that got better in the later seasons.
I did like the writing on the first season. Much of it was the phase 2 scripts written with the new cast. But I agree that the first season was hard to watch if you (like me) discovered the tv show later and went back and thought, what is this?
I think most fans would agree that the second season was the dvd set with the most duds.
I'm a bit more tolerant of season two.
Season seven was the most disappointing for me. After four seasons of almost uniformly good-to-great episodes, there were a number of duds. The following never worked for me.
"Dark Page" -- A psychic breakdown puts Lwaxana Troi in a coma, and Deanna works to save her life.
"Sub Rosa" -- Dr. Crusher attends her grandmother's funeral, and takes on an unusual family tradition.
"Masks" -- The Enterprise finds an ancient library that recreates its civilization by taking possession of Data and transforming the ship.
"Genesis" -- A routine medical treatment inadvertently creates a virus that begins to de-evolve the Enterprise crew.
"Bloodlines" -- DaiMon Bok returns to exact revenge on Picard, by trying to kill the son Picard never knew he had.
"Emergence" -- The Enterprise becomes an emergent intelligence.
Quote"Emergence" -- The Enterprise becomes an emergent intelligence.
Yeah, that was silly. Another episode I just tend to forget.
psik
I liked the 7th season real well but felt that all good things was a let down. Kind of like the last seinfeld and cheers; it has many better episodes along the way.
Quote from: pickard on October 13, 2007, 05:58:05 PM
I'm a bit more tolerant of season two.
Season seven was the most disappointing for me. After four seasons of almost uniformly good-to-great episodes, there were a number of duds. The following never worked for me.
"Dark Page" -- A psychic breakdown puts Lwaxana Troi in a coma, and Deanna works to save her life.
"Sub Rosa" -- Dr. Crusher attends her grandmother's funeral, and takes on an unusual family tradition.
"Masks" -- The Enterprise finds an ancient library that recreates its civilization by taking possession of Data and transforming the ship.
"Genesis" -- A routine medical treatment inadvertently creates a virus that begins to de-evolve the Enterprise crew.
"Bloodlines" -- DaiMon Bok returns to exact revenge on Picard, by trying to kill the son Picard never knew he had.
"Emergence" -- The Enterprise becomes an emergent intelligence.
wow, you know, that is wild, cause some of those aren't my favorite either. Kind of cool to hear that others think the same. I have watched them all several times, but not as much as the other episodes. I thought masks was hard because although Brent is one of my favorite actors, it was a little over the top for me. I don't know. Just wasn't one of my favorites.
I have to agree with Dan as well on some of those, to be honest I had forgotten some such as Sub Rosa and Bloodlines, but now I am and how much I did not care for them. Masks was one I was really looking forward to, but for whatever reason, it failed to get me. Genesis is one that I can always watch, just for what happens in that episode, but agree that it is probably not one of the better ones.
A few that I do not like
Schisms - Alien Abduction episode, just does not fit for me in the Star Trek Universe as they encounter new Aliens all the time.
Frame of Mind - Riker in an Alien Mental hospital, and a play, just did not care for this one.
The Game - It is not that I cant watch this episode, just have a tough time believing that the whole crew can be so easily manipulated, and it takes some Junior Officers to solve it in the end. The Enterprise Crew is better then that.
Menage a Troi - This one just seemed boring to me.
The Icarus Factor - Just did not care for the Story of Riker and his Dad, and how the climax of the story was them battling each other in an anbo-jytsu match that looked ridiculous to me. This one is strange for me as well, since it followed Time Squared, which was the episode that had got me really excited about TNG.
I also agree that Shades of Grey was pretty weak as well.
Shades of Grey was awfully weak, but I've always cut them slack because of the behind-the-scenes reasons for it that Kenny explained.
I know I watched Shades of Gray but I don't remember much about it, so perhaps it was bad.
These are the bottom 30 according to the surveys at the link.
48 Shades Of Gray 7/17/1989 148 3.90
129 Man Of The People 10/5/1992 229 5.79
14 Angel One 1/25/1988 115 5.99
120 Cost Of Living 4/20/1992 220 6.07
139 Aquiel 2/1/1993 239 6.07
4 Code Of Honor 10/12/1987 104 6.08
110 New Ground 1/6/1992 210 6.08
31 Loud As A Whisper 1/9/1989 132 6.15__
8 Justice 11/9/1987 109 6.19
16 Too Short A Season 2/8/1988 112 6.19
122 Imaginary Friend 5/4/1992 222 6.22
36 The Dauphin 2/20/1989 136 6.27
166 Sub Rosa 1/31/1994 266 6.27
161 Force Of Nature 11/15/1993 261 6.29
30 The Outrageous Okona 12/12/1988 130 6.32
33 Unnatural Selection 1/30/1989 133 6.44
155 Interface 10/4/1993 255 6.44
45 Manhunt 6/19/1989 145 6.51__
17 When The Bough Breaks 2/15/1988 118 6.53
40 The Icarus Factor 4/24/1989 140 6.54
113 The Masterpiece Society 2/10/1992 213 6.55
117 The Outcast 3/16/1992 217 6.64
56 The Price 11/13/1989 156 6.64
84 The Loss 11/26/1990 184 6.66
112 Violations 2/3/1992 212 6.70
174 Bloodlines 5/2/1994 274 6.71
57 The Vengeance Factor 11/20/1989 157 6.73
44 Up The Long Ladder 5/22/1989 144 6.73__
53 The Bonding 10/23/1989 153 6.73
11 Haven 11/30/1987 105 6.75
http://www.tv.com/star-trek-the-next-generation/show/137/episode_listings.html?tag=subtabs;list
Best of Both Worlds is one of the most highly rated episodes whereas The Masterpiece Society is in the bottom 30. But if I was running a college class about the social signicance of science fiction I would much sooner have the class watch The Masterpiece Society. Best of Both Worlds is much more exciting but it contains no social issues to address. If some dangerous aliens are coming to wipe you out you are gong to defend youself, what is there to discuss or think about?
But The Masterpiece Society deals with genetic engineering and self determination. Right now we are only dealing with genetically engineered plants but the issue is going to get more serious real soon.
So I guess Star Trek episodes need two ratings. One for enjoyment and the other for relevance.
psik
Justice
On the garden-like planet of Rubicam II, Wesley breaks an unwritten law and is sentenced to death. I don't know why, I just hate these types of episodes...The love sick hippies skipping and dancing everywhere is over done in Star Trek. Who the heck sends a teenager down to find out if it's a good place for young people to hang out? Just before Picard has Wes assigned to the away team, Tasha was joking about how everyone "makes love at the drop of a hat—any hat." And they still thought it was a good idea to take "the boy"?
Night Terrors
Troi has strange dreams in which she drifts in a dark cloudy vortex. The lights shine in the distance, and the phrases "eyes in the dark" is repeated. The rest of the crew also begins to have odd experiences. This one annoyed the heck out of me.
Sub Rosa
When Dr. Crusher buries her grandmother on the Caldos Colony, she encounters a family ghost. Just dumb.
Genesis
The crew of the Enterprise is infected by a cellular virus which causes it to transform and deevolve into a variety of bizarre manifestations. Again...dumb. And no one suffered from mental trauma in subsequent episodes. I don't know about you, but I would be a little disturbed if I turned into a salamander and my boyfriend turned a giant spider monster and tried to tear down my door to get to me.
Quote from: Jen on October 16, 2007, 12:46:13 PM
Sub Rosa
When Dr. Crusher buries her grandmother on the Caldos Colony, she encounters a family ghost. Just dumb.
Yeah, that one was kind of weak. :( It seemed like a rip-off of Anne Rice's "Witches of Mayfair" books.
I don't know, I kinda liked Sub Rosa myself, although it was just a little cheesy. Justice was just a bad episode period. All wrong and everything. Bunch of hippies.....that treated the death sentence like god. Oh wait, it was.....*sigh*
King Linksr
I enjoyed Sub Rosa (Beverly didn't get many episodes that focus on just her) and Genesis was just alot of fun.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on October 16, 2007, 01:30:33 PM
I enjoyed Sub Rosa (Beverly didn't get many episodes that focus on just her) and Genesis was just alot of fun.
I agree Kenny, Doctor Crusher needed more "Bevcentric" episodes but I personally didn't enjoy the soap opera they made Sub Rosa into. The idea was cool, but she was so googly-eyed...I don't know, I preferred the episode where she was in command of the Enterprise, or the episode where she fell in love with the Trill...
Genesis was fun...I'll give you that, but it was sort of corny.
I liked the scary scene when bev's grandmother comes to life in the coffin. Another creepy trek moment.
Speaking of creepy, does anyone remember the name of the episode in which aliens from another dimension repeatedly kidnap and perform medical experiments on the crew of the ship? After being returned, the abducted crew members have no memory of the experience, only vague feelings of dread and unease. At one point, I think Worf is getting a haircut, and the barber's tools subconsciously remind him of the abductor's medical implements, which causes him to lash out in fear.
Even today, that episode freaks me out a little. :unsure
I can't believe no one has mentioned Conspiracy from season 1 yet. Starfleet is being taken over by slugs! Crappy looking alien in the gut! Blow it up!
LOL! Yeah, I forgot about that one. At the time, I think I enjoyed that one.
Quote from: wraith1701 on October 17, 2007, 04:15:29 AM
Speaking of creepy, does anyone remember the name of the episode in which aliens from another dimension repeatedly kidnap and perform medical experiments on the crew of the ship? After being returned, the abducted crew members have no memory of the experience, only vague feelings of dread and unease. At one point, I think Worf is getting a haircut, and the barber's tools subconsciously remind him of the abductor's medical implements, which causes him to lash out in fear.
Even today, that episode freaks me out a little. :unsure
That is the sixth season episode called SCHISMS.
Kevin
Quote from: wraith1701 on October 17, 2007, 04:15:29 AM
Speaking of creepy, does anyone remember the name of the episode in which aliens from another dimension repeatedly kidnap and perform medical experiments on the crew of the ship? After being returned, the abducted crew members have no memory of the experience, only vague feelings of dread and unease. At one point, I think Worf is getting a haircut, and the barber's tools subconsciously remind him of the abductor's medical implements, which causes him to lash out in fear.
Even today, that episode freaks me out a little. :unsure
Yea, that episode freaks me out still. And Geneisis just a little. If only i could remember that episode I really disliked...
King Linksr
I saw survivers for the first time last night. I thought I had seen them all. But I guess I missed one somehow. It was nice to see one new to me! Felt like the early ninties!!!
Quote from: space_invader64 on October 17, 2007, 08:24:18 AM
I saw survivers for the first time last night. I thought I had seen them all. But I guess I missed one somehow. It was nice to see one new to me! Felt like the early ninties!!!
Yea, I run into OS or TNG episodes like that. Somehow, you miss it then see it later. Its always great when that happens.
King Linksr
I don't know how I missed it. I taped every one that came on TV, I guess our local station never aired that one.
"Shades of Gray", "Frame of mind" and that one where Beverly is haunted by her great Grandmother, or something like that. All absolutely awful
Frame of Mind wasn't my favorite...but I don't think it was a bad episode...just made me uncomfortable and I guess that was it's intent. I think a couple of us are in agreement with you as far as Shades of Gray and Bev's grandmother's boyfriend's ghost are concerned.
Am I the only one that can't stand to watch code of honor?
I liked Shades of Grey and Frame of Mind. :( I'm guessing I'm unique around here. Though code of honor to me....was terrible and annoying. To me, it just seemed like a race taking advantage of everyone else so that they feel superior and in control....very annoying.
King Linksr
I like the spiky hand ball weapon thing Yar uses. That's about it. It was really reminiscent of TOS. TNG was still trying to find it's voice and code of honor just didn't fit.