TREKS IN SCI-FI FORUM

No One's Safe On Lost

Josh Holloway, who stars as Sawyer on ABC's hit Lost, told SCI FI Wire that he and the rest of the cast constantly live with the knowledge that no one is untouchable on the show. "Oh, of course not," Holloway said in an interview at the Television Critics Association press tour in Pasadena, Calif. "I feel like in the current atmosphere of TV shows, they're willing to kill a main character without a problem. So that's always a possibility. ... I think the nature of the show and the organic way that they write, and still continue to create, is they're willing to let someone shine. If they shine, they'll write for them. If they don't, they'll move on. It's kind of the reality of what we do."

When the audience last saw Sawyer, he and Kate (played by Evangeline Lilly) had just made love inside the animal cage where he'd been held captive since the beginning of the season. He said that he had always been personally hoping for Kate to choose Sawyer over her other potential love interest, Jack (Matthew Fox), but was never sure that it would turn out in his favor.

"It's great, because neither of us really know where it's going, so we don't know exactly what to fully invest in, which actually plays on camera," Holloway said. "It's nice kind of not knowing. And one minute we're really kind of close and sappy, and the next minute we're like 'Who are you?' It's that thing. But our friendship has deepened quite a bit. We've been working together constantly and having to discuss these things and how we're going to do them and so forth. So it was good. And we're really proud of the way that love scene turned out, because we wanted it to be different. We wanted it to take some time and have some moments in the middle of it. Not just this crazy furious thing. Because it's been such a long time coming."

Holloway said that he missed working with the rest of the cast "very much" in the early part of the season, but hinted that there may be a reunion coming soon. "I'm looking forward to getting back to that," he said. Lost returns on Feb. 7 in a new later timeslot, 10 p.m. ET/PT.

Lost Gets Back To Basics

Daniel Dae Kim, who plays Jin in ABC's hit SF series Lost, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming second half of the third season will focus on the entire cast, rather than the story of Jack, Kate and Sawyer, which was showcased in the first six episodes of the season. "It's been a season of transition, I think," Kim said in an interview at the Television Critics press tour in Pasadena, Calif., last week. "Because we went from an ensemble show to one that focused on a smaller number of characters. So for a lot of us, it's meant having more free time than we originally thought. But now it's changing again, and we're getting back to the island, and we're finding a rhythm."

Kim is bilingual in real life, but his character is just beginning to learn English, and as his character becomes more fluent in the language, Kim said that he looks forward to interacting more with the other cast members. "It's something that the producers and I have been talking about for a little while," he said. "It just leads to different kinds of interaction with the other characters on the show. I think it would be great to have a change of pace for Jin in that way. ... Part and parcel of speaking English is becoming involved with the main action of the island. Right now, I don't think Jin and Sun are that involved with the mythology of the show. They have a kind of separate subplot that exists independent of what the other characters are doing a lot of the time. And I'm looking forward to seeing how they fit into the big picture."

Another change coming in the latter half of the season is a lighter tone, Kim said. The relationship between Jin and his wife, Sun (Yunjin Kim, who is no relation in real life), will grow even stronger in the next few episodes. "Everyone talks about the island having redemptive qualities," he said. "And I think it was redemptive for their relationship as well. As far as where their relationship goes from here, I'm curious to see myself. I'm sure a baby will change our dynamic. It generally does. ... We've already shot a few things where it's lighter. It's a different kind of feel to a scene with Jin in it. It's a welcome change."

As for the rumor of an impending character death, Kim didn't deny it, but hoped that audiences would be watching the show for reasons other than finding out who will be the next to be killed off. "Our show for some reason has taken on this mystery of who's going to die next," he said "And I'm not sure how that happened or why it's happening. And I'm hoping that it doesn't become the main focus of what the audience is looking for."

Lost returns on Feb. 7 in a new, later timeslot, 10 p.m. ET/PT on Wednesdays.

YAY!!! Lost comes back tomorrow night at 10pm... I can't wait!!!!!

Lost Special Goes Online

ABC is posting the Lost Survivor Guide, a special on the SF show, on ABC.com and Yahoo! TV, starting Feb. 6. Hosted by executive producer and co-creator Damon Lindelof and executive producer Carlton Cuse, the Survivor Guide will bring viewers up to date in anticipation of the show's return on Feb. 7.

The special focuses on the flashbacks of a core of characters, illustrating who they were and what they were doing before the crash, and how the island has changed their lives, for better or worse. The special will also explore the island and may reveal secrets that might have been missed upon first viewing.

In addition to the Lost Survivor Guide, ABC.com has made available all six of the current third season's previously aired episodes on its broadband video player. Lost returns in a new Wednesday 10 p.m. ET/PT timeslot and will air new episodes without reruns and interruptions.

Just one more hour until 16 weeks of bliss!

It's been a long hard wait but 16 weeks.....that's really going to be something.

I enjoy the producer's podcasts quite a bit, they are pretty funny. 

Lost is BACK!!!!!! Just finished watching the first of 16 all new episodes and I have to say it didn't disappoint. I liked that we got a flashback of one of the "others". I think they answered some questions, especially about Juliet. I did miss that we didn't get to see any of our regular "Island" folks. But I guess next week will get back to the beach. I'm glad the Kate, Sawyer, Jack and Others story is over.. at least for now. What did everyone think?

I'm not a blood and guts guy, so I just about blew chunks when the artery got cut...  :ohmy

The show rocked though.  I love Lost, very fun and oh so mysterious!

:laugh:

I am looking forward to seeing Hurley, Lock, Charlie and the rest...

Sorry - but this show is still not living up to the early episodes.  I still feel kind of cheated and not satisfied each week.  This last episode was better for me (something actually moved forward) but I find myself concerned that the end of it all will not justify all the setup.  I'm trying to recall another TV show in the history of TV that attempted to prolong a mystery this long.

Overall I was happy with this weeks epsiode. I felt the story started to move along a bit quicker. With the preview for next week, it looks like they might get Jack off the island, and then maybe they can get back to the core group. I also believe they are going to start tying up some story archs, so I am pretty positive that things are going to start picking up. With all the press lately about the many outstanding mysteries, I beleive that Damon, Carlton and the rest of the producers and the writers have gotten the message and are going to start giving answers.

My wife and I had a hard time with this episode.  We just didn't like it, but we really wanted to.

A friend of mine told me recently to stop expecting reveals on every episode and just enjoy the drama, and that has helped.  Still, this past one wasn't great.

I don't want to pick it apart, but the Others seem pretty bumbling at this point.  ETC, I really don't want to pick at it.

We are eagerly awaiting the return to the beach. I'm a huge Locke fan, and I like Sayied (sp) also. 

Still watching, and listening to a couple of podcasts.

I think the problem is that this new format of "reveal the characters as we go along" is starting to lose it's steam with Lost.  Heroes does it to, to a degree, yet we're pretty forgiving there because it's new.

Lost isn't the only show to do this either.  The show Day Break tried it too, though that one failed fantastically, and I sense the same "model" being used in The Dresden Files.

The problem is that there are so many characters, and so much backstory that we're getting lost in all of the general Big Questions we have to follow:

Who are these people that were on the plane?  What makes them interesting characters?

Who are the others?  Why are they there?

What is the Darma Initiative and where did it go?

What is the big black spirit on the island?  Why does this island have healing powers?

The problem is that they add questions faster than they give answers and we're not seeing any resolutions at any meaningful rate.  That's what's going to ultimately kill Lost as a show.

Pretty soon people will stop caring, and just read spoiler sites becuase it's not fun to not know for TOO long.

Mr. O

I was a big fan at first but I am losing interest.  With such a big cast and so many mysteries it's hard to keep coming back every week for just more questions.  I'll probably keep watching to see how it all ends but it isn't as fun as it once was for me.

Here's a video I found on You Tube.. it's a video greeting from Juliet's Sister Rachel and her daughter.. and something else!!!!

[youtube=425,350]SV9jWbAeHYI[/youtube]

Lost Video Backstories Online

Disney-ABC Television Group announced that ABC.com will debut the first installment of 60 backstory videos related to the four main characters of its SF series Lost on Valentine's Day. The videosâ€"featuring the characters of Jack (Matthew Fox), Kate (Evangeline Lilly), Sawyer (Josh Holloway) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn)â€"were created to provide viewers with insight into the lives of the characters.

A new video will go live in chronological order each Wednesday through the end of the season, combining scenes from previously aired episodes.

ABC.com also posts the current season's previously aired episodes on its broadband video player. And as announced last week, ABC.com has also added several new features on its Lost site, including a new video podcast with executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse and a peek at extra content from the series' upcoming season-three DVD release later this year.

Visitors to ABC.com will also find the "Writers' Rotation," which showcases music favored by members of the Lost production team, as well as an updated version of Lost & Found, which highlights not-to-be-missed moments in upcoming episodes.

Tonights epsiode about Desmond I really enjoyed, I really like the direction they are taking with his Character and how he will be tied to Charlie. It was a great idea to use most of the epsiode to deal with his life off of the isalnd and how it forshadowed his life on the island. The second part of this season is really looking good to me, and has renewed my interest in a very big way.

Wow.. this was a totally different kind of Lost episode. We kind of had flashbacks but it was one big one and not here and there. I'm glad we got away from Kate,Jake, Sawyer and the Others storyline. It wasn't a total beach story but we did get to see a few of them. Even before the woman in Desmond flashback talked about the universe finding a way to set things right I thought that Claire was destine to die.. because of the lightning and drowning. But when it was revealed that it was Charlie I was totally taken back.. I didn't have a clue it was Charlie that Desmond was saving. I don't quite know what that was that Desmond did (time travel back or was it all in his head) but it was cool. Can't wait for next week.. we finally get some answers to some of the big questions... I'll believe it when I see it.

Did anybody catch that the old lady in the jewelry shop was Data's mom?

That was cool.

Great episode... very cool. 

:bond

I knew she looked familiar but couldn't place here.. thanks Rick

This episode reminded me of the Lost of old.

The turning of the key happened so long ago, it seems like 2 years ago. 

We really liked this one, seeing the future is portrayed as a curse here.  And I think it could be, depending on how the visions come to you. 

We liked it, it was refreshing, and I always love time stuff. 

You know, not as impressed here.

It's nice that they got us some more  "background" stuff, but I'm getting bored keeping track of all the story lines, all the questions, all the mysteries, etc etc.

"Next week the three biggest questions will be answered!"

Considering that we're in, what, season 3 and we have a heck of a LOT more questions then just 3, I don't see next week moving the plot much.

Maybe it's that I'm a WoW addict but I didn't see last night as worth it compared to what I could have done in a BG or the questing to keep getting Rorlins (Blackwater Raiders) up to 40 to get his Riding Ram.

Mr. O

Looks like Lost has lost quite a few viewers.  My brother recently dropped it saying it's jumped the shark. 

I've been struggling a bit but we'll watch through this season I'm sure.




By LYNN ELBER

LOS ANGELES (AP) - "Lost" crashed in the ratings this week, hitting an all-time low for a new episode. ABC's drama about plane crash survivors stranded on a mysterious island drew an estimated 12.8 million viewers Wednesday, according to preliminary figures from Nielsen Media Research. That's well off the peak of more than 20 million for the drama that became an instant sensation when it debuted in September 2004.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070215/D8NAELAG1.html

I just read that.. makes me sad to see this happen to such a great show. I know there have been some hit and miss episodes but I still enjoy it every week and can't wait to see where it goes.. but I guess I'm one for the few.

Quote from: Elizur on February 15, 2007, 06:11:29 PM
Looks like Lost has lost quite a few viewers.  My brother recently dropped it saying it's jumped the shark. 

I've been struggling a bit but we'll watch through this season I'm sure.

IT's about bang for the buck.  Is it something I need to see, or can I get by watching the commercial free download at the end of the week, or just read a news site for a synopsis?

Lost is getting harder and harder to justify watching when I could be donig lots of other stuff.

Mr. O

Just finished watching this "must" see episode that was suppose to answer three big questions that fans have been waiting for... Well the episode was okay.. not great but I really don't know which big questions that they answered. I mean we know the survivors of the plane crash are with the others and they are "watching" whatever that means. We know the others live on the same island as the beach people and only worked on the other island.  I can't really think of anything else big that we found out. The Jack storyline was weak.. all those flashbacks to explain how he got his tattoo. Looks like Jack is going to join the Others as there doctor. I just hope we get back to the beach/original survivors storyline... I'm tired of the others.

I actually really enjoyed this episode last night. I know that they really did not answer all those questions like they hyped, but it left me waiting for next weeks episode. On The official Lost Podcast, Carlton and Damon said that the promotions had kind of hyped the answered questions, and they were kind of setting the expectations for the episode as less thenm 3 answered. I guess maybe the questions about the two Children and the Airline Attendant were the answers, but all that really answered was that they were still alive, and I think we all pretty well assumed that.
I kind of liked Jacks backstory tonight with the Tattoo, and wished they had spent more time on Bai Ling's characters special gift. I thought the idea that she see's who people really are was interesting, and then marks them with the tattoo, and would have hoped it may have been a bit more in line with what they were doing with Desmond. For me they could have cut out all the Kate and Sawyer scenes from last night, as I did not really get much out of those. I will admit, that Bai Ling in revealing clothes might have kept me interested in that story arc. ;)
I agree with you Kenny, I am tired of the others, and hoping to get back to the beach and the mysteries of the Island.

I also enjoyed this most recent episode more than the other ones since LOST returned.  I liked the Jack back story on the tattoos.  And Juliet is becoming more likable.  Or is it all one big setup?  It's really weird though how the last few episodes have narrowed the focus to just a few characters at a time.  I really think this show has one more year - tops.  But I'll keep watching for now.

Just got done watching tonights Lost. It was a fun episode, loved the whole Hurley/Charlie/Jin/Sawyer and the Van story. This episode didn't really progress the story to much but it was an enjoyable break from all the drama we have had the past few episodes. Next weeks previews look good but it looks like they are going away from the beach again and now we get to follow Kate, Locke, Sayid and Danielle rescue Jack.

I just got done watching it too Kenny, and I liked it.  It was fun, and it was funny to see Cheech.  Hurley is such a great character. 

Dharma Beer, now that was funny.  It reminds me of the big Generic craze back in the 80s.  Remember that?  White labels with black writing on them? 

It was fun when the music cranked up after the van was started.  Very fun!

Next week looks good.  I like the sci fi element back into it.

Maybe we can get some more answers instead of being Lost.  :)

I liked this episode as well, it was fun, and a chance to see Hurley and Jin, which we havent seen much of as of late. I like how the Hurley episodes are lighter, but still fit in with the rest of the episodes. Sawyer and all the bear was funny as well, and then teaching Jin things about women ;). Looking forward to next week as well, more plot advancement.

Wow.. got a really good Jericho and now Lost.. this has been a really good night for network TV. Lost tonight was really good.. at least I thought so. I really liked the Claire backstory even though the surprise wasn't really a surprise to me. And of course the ending with Jack... WOW. And next week we get to see how Locke got into his wheelchair.

Liked this week's episode too.  The show is starting to improve again.  I do think all these connections will be revealed eventually.  Next week - more on Locke!  Woot!

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on March 14, 2007, 11:16:25 PM
And of course the ending with Jack... WOW.

oh that ending was wonderful.  I played it three or four times.  It just came out of left field..so fantastic.

The last thing you would ever expect to see is Jack playing football in the Barracks!  Classic Lost at its best.  It was a breath of fresh air.  The whole episode was loads of fun.

Yes, I really enjoyed this episode as well. I was like Kenny, in that the Claire backstory was good, but was not really surprisingy to me, due to all the internet speculation the past few years. I am really interested to find out about Locke next week and the wheel chair. The hints they dropped this epsiode have me even more intrigued about his character, It seems like the Others know a whole bunch about him, and patchy just about dropped some stuff before he was cut off by Russo. I beleive that Locke pushed Patchy into the Security field more so to protect whatever secret that the Others know about him. I think same goes for blowing up the station, and the previews for next weeks episode look fasicnating as well. Really interested to find out about Jack, as he seemed pretty much at home on the compound playing football.

Locke is great.  My favorite guy.  Maybe that's one reason I had a hard time with the first part of the season, all on that other island.  I did like Juliet, but that's all I liked about that area.

Sister...you have a baby half-sister.  Obi-wan was wise to hide her from me.  ;D

ABC Picks Lost Up For Year 4

ABC on March 21 announced that it has renewed Lost for a fourth season, even as its ratings have slipped from the previous year. The announcement was made by ABC entertainment president Stephen McPherson at the March Development Meeting in Los Angeles.

Lost has seen its ratings drop after returning with new episodes following several weeks of hiatus and staking out a new Wednesday 10 p.m. ET/PT timeslot.

Even so, ABC reported that Lost holds the top slot in its time period for the third consecutive season among adults aged 18-49. In its new timeslot, it is the top series on any network.

It's unclear whether ABC will follow its strategy this season of airing six original episodes, then breaking for 13 weeks and resuming the season with an unbroken run of original episodes in the late winter.

OMG  :o   Last nights episode about Locke -- O -- M -- G !!!

Lockes character has just gone to places that I never expected, he has his own agenda. I'm glad they finally explained how he got in the chair. And of course the ending.. which I did expect so it wasn't a huge surprise. This show just get stranger and stranger.

Wow last night's episode is .....WOW the bald guy got hit off a building, Also that wheel chair guy's curtains in his living room was made by my Mom!!!!

I do have to wonder what the writers are smoking when they are coming up with the stories.  :)

I don't know how they will ever start making things thread together correctly, if they even can. To me it has started to get confusing.  I like it, but I wonder how long we can take this soap opera, especially when it comes out of left field most of the time.

Oh, well, we can only hope for more cool episodes.

This just in, next week we find out Hurley is his own great grandfather and that Charlie is a clone.  :) :wacko

The only way I can writing a show like this is start with the ending and go backwards.  I suspect some things will end up being irrelevant -- although what -- I cannot even guess.   They have had their ups and downs.  Last nights show was definitely a mystery everyone had been asking for almost 4 years.   At the end of last year, I was pretty disappointed after faithfully watching the show for 3 years.  I hope they can keep this pace up for the rest of the season.  The previews for next week I will take with a grain of salt.  Yes, someone will die but just like with other episodes the revelation will be a 2-edged sword.   So, who do you think it will be ?   Better yet, who do you WANT it to be ?

This latest episode was kind of a let down for me.  Jack I just don't get - again.  Locke - should of just called the cops when found his father again.  The guy is a con man and took his kidney for gosh sake!  I wasn't too shocked that it was his father that caused his back injury.  Ben I continue to hate more and more - which is maybe what the writers want.

And the very end of this episode - well let's just say the writers in my view have created the situation on the show where basically anything is possible.  The LOST island is starting to seem more like the "Shore Leave" planet from Star Trek everyday.  Without some kind of other worldly or supernatural force I don't see how everything that has happened since the show has been on can be explained within our knowledge base.  I'm starting to wonder if it's not all one big dream each of the characters is having.

Anyway, I'll keep watching.  But I'm feeling like a dupe at a carnival more and more.

Quote from: moyer777 on March 22, 2007, 01:50:08 PM


This just in, next week we find out Hurley is his own great grandfather and that Charlie is a clone.  :) :wacko

LOL Rick

We enjoyed the show even though there are odd holes and such.  It is uncharacteristic for Jack to play football with these guys.  The idea was they made a deal...so he's going to throw the pigskin around with these guys?  No. 

There are many more examples of uncharacteristic behavior like that.

We just watch it for the drama.  The dialogue is great, acting is great, we just enjoy the ride. 

The ending with the Dad....predictable and such, but I'll enjoy the exchange between the Dad and Locke. 

We're with you Elizur.. we watch it for the ride.. we hope there are answers along the way or at least at the end but it's been a fun ride so far.

One thing that's been really nagging me though this season is --- Will it all be worth it?  I like a great ride too, but I just constantly have this feeling we are being played with like Ben seems to do with everyone.  It's not a great feeling.  I agree though, I do enjoy the acting and the actors.  I think many of them have long careers ahead of them.

I really like the acting of Sayied.  I know I butched the spelling of that name...forgive!

My wife and I watched him in Bride and Prejudice.  What a funny thing to see him dancing and singing, lol he was good in it.   Quite a different role. 

For the most part I liked last nights episode. I guess finally finding out Locke got in the wheel chair was nice, but I guess a bit predictable that it would be his father who would be the one to hurt him. I guess the others are real good at finding people, as they located Lockes father, when the police could not. I wonder if Ben is going to give Locke the chance to kill his father, as I suspect that is why he has been brought to the island, to test locke and see if he would.

I agree with Kenny and Elizur, that I enjoy the ride. I like the whole premise of the show, so at the end, if it turns out to be a monkey in charge, that would be fine by me.

Jeff - that's it!  A monkey is in charge of the island!  You have figured it all out!  It's as good an answer as I have heard.  ;)

It's actually two monkeys.  One to direct all the happenings for the crew of Lost and the other to make sure the guys and gals from Survivor don't wander on to the set. 

:)

Thanks Guys, if it comes true, then I will consider quitting my job and getting a job writing Television. As I recall, the old Prisoner TV show, number one was a chimp, so who says a monkey cant be in charge on the lost island ;)

I just read on E Online that it's rumored that Lost season four won't start till Jan and run the entire season in one chunk. I think this is a great idea.. let's hope it's more then just a rumor.

Yeah, according to the producers Lost will do the same thing 24 does.  Start in January, and run non-stop to the end of the season.

That means when this season ends, I won't have Lost or Battlestar Galactica until Jan. 2008!!!

:jawdrop 

I know.. thank goodness for Heores.

The Jan - May model is much better than having a big hiatus for months.  Now I just wish some shows would do like Sept. - Feb., and some Jan. - May.

What did everyone think of last night's Lost... I really enjoyed it. I'm not a huge fan of Niki and Pablo but I liked the way it was written. It was very cool to see Shannon, Boone, Mr. Antz and the crash scene. And the ending was a shocker.. I knew they were going to wake up when they started putting dirt on them.. but I didn't expect them to be buried alive... 

I enjoyed it too.   I wasn't a fan of them either, but that was mostly the fault of the writers.  They had yet to really say, or do anything interesting. 

This episode didn't reveal why they are so important, but it was a well written episode, filled with twists. 

I too was excited to see our dead friends, and I really want to know how much of those flashback scene were reshot, and which others greenscreens.  I mean crash scene looked perfect, and if I didn't know better I'd say they filmed it the same day as the pilot.

As for that end, it didn't help my arachnaphobia :), but other than that it was a great twist.  The moment she took out that spider I was like, "oh no, they're going to bury them alive!!"   But when she opened her eyes, it really was very creepy.

I also want to say that Locke was in pure season one mode, it's amazing how the writers and actors can go back to how they were back then without skipping a beat.

A different and interesting episode.  I'm just wondering how important it all was to the overall storyline?  Seems like a lot of back story and time to show a pair of people that end up dead at the end of this episode.

Well they are not really dead.. at least not yet.. they're still alive.. just buried.

Well they're gonan suffocate pretty fast.  You can't survive with dirt piled on top of you like that for very long.  It's not like Kill Bill where she was in a coffin.  There's some air in a coffin, not much but some.  Nikki and Paulo have a couple minutes of air at the very most, and they didn't look like they were about to have the strength to climb out.

However, stranger things have happened on Lost, and I wouldn't be surpirsed if we see them in some way in the future.

I'm pretty sure they are dead.

I thought this was a real cool epsiode. I did not care for Niki or Paulo as well, and I was very happy with this epsiode. I suspect this was their destiny all along. I had always found the the whole thing with Paulo going to the bathroom in the pearl station as rather odd, now I know the reason. I found it interesting to see what some of the other members were doing besides the main cast, and found it amusing that they came across the plane and pearl station well before any of the others did, but did not care as more interested in looking for their diamonds. This felt almost like a real good stand alone episode, and a real good beach story.

What did people think of the Kate episode?

I really liked the on-island stuff.  Smokey not being able to cross the fence was very cool, but why didn't it just go over?   Oh well, I really liked it.  The flashback wasn't that great, but not horrible.  I think it was better than the last Kate flashback.

I thought the Epsiode was alright. The on island stuff was good, and I was thinking just like you why the smoke did not just go over the fence. I am not really sure what to make of Juliet, she was left behind by the others, but I get the feeling that was all planned out. If I was the Losties I would not trust her.

I agree the flashback was so so, it did not really reveal anything for either Kate or Cassidy. The only thing was a connection between Kate and Sawyer off island.

I really like Hurley, he brings a real fun part to the show, and him tricking Sawyer into being nice was fun to watch.

I liked the episode, I don't trust Juliet (even though I like the character), I still think she is working for the others. Yeah I thought it was kind of bad that the smoke didn't go over the wall like the humans (I guess the smoke isn't as smart). Also why oh why are they leaving the "others" town. I would go back to the beach and get everyone. They have houses, plumbing and electricity. I guess this still can happen but I doubt it. I wonder where the Others went as well as Locke.. I heard Locke is going to be gone for the next five episodes. Guess will wait and see.

lol  yeah the stuff between Hurley and Sawyer was great.  They are becoming quite a duo.

And I was thinking that too.  Why don't they just move to Othersville?     

and I don't trust Juliet either.  I'd like to trust her, but Sayid doesn't and he's a pretty good judge of character.   Personally, I think Jack vouching for Juliet will cause problems for him.  I think that the other Losties won't see him the same, and won't see him as the leader they once did.     

Ok episode.  Why does Jack seem to forget so quickly that she was one of the Others and held him and his friends prisoner?  Sorry, that's not something I could get over so easily.  I don't trust Juliet either, even if she seemed to end up on the island against her will.  Loved the Hurley and Sawyer stuff.

I liked tonights episode, answered some questions about Claire and her Abduction, and why Ethan was there in the first season. As well it was interesting to see how the others were getting information on the losties. Ben seems to have quite a hold on people. I knew that Juliet was not to be trusted, though it is difficult to read her face to see if she is going to carry Bens plans out, or turn on the Others.
This is a weird thing to say, but I felt that I almost got to much information in this episode.

I really liked this episode.   

I kinda thought Juliet was a plant, but I never thought they had planned it all so perfectly.    I have to admit, at the end when they were doing that montage, and everyone was happy I was thinking, "Oh come on, please don't end on this, 'we all love juliet' stuff".

AND THEN, they went to her talking to Ben and I was blown away.  That's why I love Lost.  It was all a plan.  But why is she there???   Is it simply to check on Claire, and maybe even Sun?  Or is it a longer term thing.  The whole thing was for her to gain the trust of the Losties, and it looks like she did that with most of them.  I say most, cause I don't think Sayid or Sawyer will trust her, and if Sayid wants answers from her, he will get them! 

I also loved the part in the flame.  Where we find out that Patchy will shoot you, no matter who you are. LOL   And all those TVs.  Wow.

Great Episode.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved this episode. At first I thought Juliet was a plant by Ben but then they showed her flashbacks and she really wanted to go home and I started to feel bad for her and really thought she was good and was going to be part of our beach group.. but then WHAM!!!! you get the last scene with Ben and it was a OH MY GOD moment!!! I was yelling at my TV.. no way!!! no way!!! I LOVE THIS SHOW.

Do you guy listen to any Lost Podcasts? 

There are so many.  But if you want to hear me, I call into the Live Cranky Fanatic Podcast. :)   It's a great one.  He does it right after the show airs so we all are excited, and give our first impressions.

There are SO many though, I try to listen to a lot of them, but can't listen to them all.

I use to listen to quite a few of them but now that time is short I only listen to Delta park gets Lost podcast.. and sometimes the offical podcast as well.

Sorry guys - I mean how dumb is Jack?  Why in the world should anyone trust Juliet?  She and the "Others" have kidnapped, and tortured the castaways.  I'm sorry, but if anyone ever did that to me I would never forgive them or trust them again - period.  It's just all very hard for me to swallow.

But they did give us some new insights into the inner workings of the "Others", etc.  An interesting episode, but I am reminded of what Scotty said on Star Trek....  "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me."

yeah, I'm with you on this one.  Sayid, Sawyer are on the right track.   This is one Jack who does not live up to his name.  I'll admit, I too was duped but when I saw the last five minutes -- Stewie says it best "You SUCK !"

True, you may or may not have trusted her, but the show is about them, not us. We may be able to identify with certain characters, but you have to admit, Jack did what was in his character, especially after all he's been through. I think he's casting about now for a handhold, and who has been through the most with lately? Juliet. She tried to kill Ben, and was branded, and outcast, and finally, fixed Claire. Jack is being manipulated to trust her, and now he does, mainly because his psyche has been so jacked by his recent events.

You, me, all of us -- we may not have trusted her. Sayid and Sawyer certainly don't, and the rest of them may still have their misgivings. But Jack is purely a creature of reason, cause, and effect, and he follows his head and what he can see, not his assumptions or feelings. He proved that with the button. And what Jack sees is a lonely, scared, tired, stranded outcast that he can "fix".

The following story contains Minor SPOILERS for the Season 3's final episodes of "Lost."

Producers have planned some major surprises in the upcoming final episodes of "Lost," but unfortunately, none of those surprises will be a new time slot for the show that has struggled in the ratings, but still remains one of television's top 25 programs.

TV Guide's amazing scoopmaster Michael Ausiello released some very interesting details in his Wednesday "Ask Ausiello" columm.

"Get ready to clutch your pearls: I'm told there will be at least five -- count 'em, five -- deaths on 'Lost' during the month of May," Ausiello said, without going into detail on who they might be.

To make things better, "Lost" executive producer Carlton Cuse told Ausiello that the season finale will finally feature the matchup that viewers have been screaming at their television sets for all along. It seems that Jack (Matthew Fox) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn) will finally meet at sun-up in front of the ol' saloon.

"Let's just say the end of the season features a showdown between Jack and Locke -- a showdown long anticipated anda showdown with an extremely significant outcome for the future of the castaways," Cuse said.

Sorry Locutus, but I have to disagree with you about Jack.  Yes, he follows his head and is one of the most sensible, logical of the "losties."  Which is why he should be one of the last to trust Juliet.  She has given him no reason to really trust her.  Logically there is no reason to think she has changed sides.  Truthfully, I think he has feelings for her and that's what is clouding his judgment.  But, I'm ok with that to a degree.  I just think after everything he went through with the Others it's a bit hard to see why he would becomes so trusting.

Well I just finished the new episode and I have to say... it was okay, it wasn't bad just not great. After last weeks this one was pretty much a set up to bring the new person to the island. I did like the beginning with Charlie getting the arrow through the throat, when it happened I kept saying it was a Desmond dream.. but then for a moment I thought Holy Crap they just killed Charlie. I can see them doing it quick and not make a big deal about it. But then we find out it was a dream but when it was actually going to happen I almost thought Desmond was going to let it happen. Only five more episode till the finale.

Yeah I agree.  i liked it.

I think this is the first time in a very long time I cared more about the flashback than I did about what was going on on the Island.  Desmond definelty has had an interesting life.

On a side note, that scene with Sawyer walking in on Kate was not bad.  not bad at all. :)

I liked last nights episode, though it probably was not as strong as some of the others lately. I am really liking Desmond and his character, so the back story was interesting to me in finding out more about him. Will be interested in finding out about the parachuter. I must admit this whole Kate and Sawyer/Jack thing is Waring a little thin on me. I love Lost, but really don't care if Kate hooks up with Jack or Sawyer, there are other things on the island more interesting to me. I think they could spend a whole episode on Vincent, and that would be infinitely more interesting to me, then whatever they are doing with Kate/Jack/Sawyer love triangle. On the Podcast, they revealed that a story is upcoming on the Dharma initiative, so looking forward to that.

The last episode was a device to bring the person to the island, but it also answered a couple of questions, and set up a few more. Like, now we know the island can be found. And that the purple sky event allowed the island to be seen at least for a second, and tracked. Also, why Desmond says "Brother" all the time, and how he sees his visions. Also, it developed his character, that he is willing to sacrifice himself to save others, cementing what we saw in last season's finale. Yes, it wasn't as stellar as episode as some of the previous ones, but still good, and IMHO, important.

And I'd walk in on Kate any day.

Something interesting is that it seems anything that arrives at, or around the island gets destroyed.

Henry Gales Balloon, Flight 815, The Beachcraft plane, Danielle's boat, Desmonds boat, this helicopter(if it was one).   

Gives a little more credence to Ben's claim that the sub is the only way on and off the island.  Although I don't know if I beleive him.

We only have a few episode left for this season.. I hope we get some major answers.

Yes, a few more this year, so hopefully lots of Answers. The Official Podcasts have been hinting at some answers, as well this evenings lost, we will find out who the Father of Suns Baby is, though I am not sure if that is a real major answer .

Wow, a few surprises tonight on Lost. The main Story about Sun I did not find overly interesting, and thought at the end it would be revealed that Sun conceived on the Island. The second story with the Mystery guest was much more interesting. Definitely surprised to see Patchy as he looked very Dead when Locke pushed him through the Fence, so really want to find out more about him. The revelation at the end of the show that 815 was found and all killed is surprising, not really sure what to make of it. Thinking of a coverup, but seems really big undertaking for Dharma. Definitely want to find out more. Things look like they are really heating up.

I agree with jeff... wow is right. But unlike jeff I liked the Sun story.. I have always liked their story and it was great finding out that the father is Jin. So Sun has two months to live, which in Lost time can take two seasons.  Can't wait to see what happens there. I was really surprised when Patchy walked out of the forrest.. not sure what happen there. Maybe the fence knocks you out and doesn't kill you but I agree he looked dead when he hit that fence. And of course the big surprise was when the mystery woman said that flight 815 was found and all were dead... I think I said WHAT the same time Hurley said it.

Only a few more episodes left before the season finale.. I hope they answer majors questions for the season's over.

I liked this episode.  I also have always liked the Sun/Jin episodes.  I think it's helped by the fact that both of them are such amazing actors. 

The scene between Sun and Mr. Kwon was so amazing, and so nice.   As for the big reveal.  This opens a whole new can of worms.  I see this going one of two ways.  Either it's a massive cover-up, and someone(probably Dharma) staged the crash elsewhere so no one would come to, or look for the island.  OR at some point during the flight there was a tear in the space-time continum and two flight 815s were created.  One crashed on the island like we saw, and another crashed somewhere else.

As a sci-fi fan, the 2nd one would be so cool, but I don't think they'll go that route.  I hear a lot of people saying this proves they are in purgatory.  I still say no to that.  It's that true, how did Juliet get there?  And that's only one small hole in the purgatory argument.

SPOILERS AHEAD...

I'm probably going to get some disagreement on this. 

I have watched this show from the start.   Season 1 was great -- mostly because it was new and fresh.   Season 2 was one of those "Oh, come on - answer some questions already".  I didn't watch season 3 at the start.  Missed maybe 3 episodes.  I have been watching faithfully since the show came back after the lengthy break.   I'm not sure if its a good comparison but Heroes is similar in premise with the multiple story lines each having their own mystery.  The only difference -- Heroes is answering my questions.   JJ Abrams titled the show "Lost" for a very good reason -- I just didn't expect the title to apply to me.

Last weeks episode started me in another direction -- the "others" should not be trusted -- none of them.   Last nights episode solidified this direction.  I knew Juliet was lying - just not sure how/why.  I would not go anywhere with those people.  For a sec, I thought Sun would need to go back inside and overhear Juliets message to Ben -- that would have been great.  I do suspect that Juliets traitorous activity will be discovered at the end of this season.

The best analogy I have -- its like every Wed, I am eating a hot dog.   There's a little that is actually good for you but the rest is just useless fillers.   :laugh:

Thank goodness we have Hurley.  I love the comic relief he adds.   With a few words, he speaks volumes -- "Ooops", "What ?" were great lines.   I hope Sawyer finds out that he is a multi-millionaire.

My fav characters: Sayid, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun/Jin (finally - he showed his moves) and Charley.

They almost "lost" me as a viewer last year - hope this year does not repeat.

I've had the Heroes vs. Lost discussion before.

For me Lost always wins out.  I think mainly cause for me, the journey is more exciting than the destination.  Lost is about the mystery, and all the hidden connections between these strangers.  Heroes seems to be more about the final destination.   

Plus, the 1st season of Lost was brilliant.  And thinking back on it, we had no idea how deep the rabbit hole went. 

While I like Heroes, it always seemed like Lost-lite.

The show is still ok in my book - but like many have said, I do think LOST hasn't kind of "lost" it's way a bit.  Last night's story was ok and I figured Sun's baby would of been conceived after they got on the island (it wouldn't of been much of a story if it was pre-island).  I really like the actors on LOST and the characters for the most part - that's what keeps me coming back.  It was like this for ALIAS for me at the end too (another Abrams show).  I do think next year will end the series.  Hopefully the journey will of been worth it.

P.S.  As for what is really going on - the people who run the show have said many times that there is a logical, scientific answer for everything on the island.  I'm not sure I still believe that.

I was thinking about this episode more at work today, and have so many theories running through my head. I was thinking from a more Sci Fi view point, that they are in an alternate reality possibly, and that Desmond is a link between the two reality's possibly. But that is probably just wild speculation on my part. Also I still remember Desmond Telling Jack in the Flashback from season 1 about seeing him in another life, and I dont think that was a throw away line. I was also thinking after seeing Patchy, and he confirmation on how people heal fast, that Boone maybe Boone would not have died, if they would have known what they might know now. Might say the Same for Libby, Anna and Shannon, though they were shot. I am also guessing Ms Clugh who Patchy shot will be around as well.
I guess I should clarify a bit on the Sun/Jin story, I guess mid way through the story, I knew that the reveal on the Lady extorting Sun would be Jins mother, so I guess when that ended that flashback, it left me disappointed that I figured it out so easy. This story does make me much more sympathetic to Jin, as he was basically put in the situation because Sun took the money from her Father. I think next season will be important for Sun, as I suspect a good portion of it will deal with her carrying the baby and will she live or not. I found the other Story with Patchy and Des/Hurly/Jin/Charlie more interesting, though I do see where this Sun/Jin story will probably be important next year. I guess finding out who was the father of Suns baby was not on the top of my list of answers to be solved.

I think maybe you guys are missing a couple of the big reveals in this episode:

1) Juliet knew Jin was pregnant, or else why would they have left that recorder in the locker? She obviously knew that they would be heading that direction sooner or later.
2) Juliet also knows Kate is pregnant.
3) Juliet's motives are even more suspect now, and her character development is just a tiny bit deeper, since we know she is sincere in hating Ben, and may try to get out of betraying the losties.
4) If the fence doesn't kill, or may not even exist, how did it stop smokey? (Maybe just what they said, still ...)
5) If everyone on the flight "died" then who are all of the people on the island? (My vote is that they crashed a couple of years ago, and that the others have been doing brainwashing experiments on them, and memory experiments, which is why everyone's back story crosses here and there, even if they really didn't prior to the crash. ) (I don't think anyone missed this clue, I just threw this one in to espouse my viewpoint. :) )

Quote from: Locutus on April 27, 2007, 11:28:18 AM
I think maybe you guys are missing a couple of the big reveals in this episode:

1) Juliet knew Jin was pregnant, or else why would they have left that recorder in the locker? She obviously knew that they would be heading that direction sooner or later.
2) Juliet also knows Kate is pregnant.
3) Juliet's motives are even more suspect now, and her character development is just a tiny bit deeper, since we know she is sincere in hating Ben, and may try to get out of betraying the losties.
4) If the fence doesn't kill, or may not even exist, how did it stop smokey? (Maybe just what they said, still ...)
5) If everyone on the flight "died" then who are all of the people on the island? (My vote is that they crashed a couple of years ago, and that the others have been doing brainwashing experiments on them, and memory experiments, which is why everyone's back story crosses here and there, even if they really didn't prior to the crash. ) (I don't think anyone missed this clue, I just threw this one in to espouse my viewpoint. :) )

1) I think you mean Sun, if Jin was pregnant that would be amazing :). I don't think Juliette knew Sun was pregnant I think she was sent there to find out if Kate was pregnant... When Sun told Juliette that she was pregnant she really looked surprised.

2) We don't know for sure the Kate is also pregnant.

3) I think Juliette cares for no one but Juliette, she hates Ben we know, but she is still working with them.

4) Well the fence might not harm organic stuff but we don't know what the smoke is.. maybe it does stop that.

5) I like your theory but I think more then likely Dharma is covering up the crash.

Yes, Sun. The island isn't that amazing. :)

OK, I'll give you that we don't KNOW Kate is preggers, but all the evidence is pointing that way. And, yes, on second thought, she did look surprised, so I guess that shoots my theory in the butt. But I really think Juliet is gonna come through for the losties, and may even kill Ben before this is all over. I think it may be more probable that they control smokey, maybe even by that panel she was touching, just to try to make Kate trust her more.

But then, I'm an admitted and gleeful conspiracy theorist. :)

Also, isn't Dharma gone, at least according to Ben. (Who, it should be noted, has only lied when he said he was Henry Gale, and that he wasn't an other. As far as we know, anyway.)    :confused

1) Exactly.  It definetly seems like they new she was pregnant, and getting these samples might be the reason she was sent thier in the 1st place.   

2) Either she knows kate is pregnant, or she suspects she might be.  :ohbaby Perhaps they really wanted Kate and Sawyer to hook up.   :ohbaby

3) Juliet is movitated by one thing, to get off the island.   :eekout And I think she'd do anything to make sure that can happen.

4) I think the Island healed Mikhal.    The fence might be one big ruse that the smoke cannot cross for some reason though.

5)I like your theory a lot.   It's very complex and cool.   But I dunno if I agree with it.    I am kinda hoping for a paralell universe kinda thing, but I do think someone staged another crash to simply stop people from coming to look for them.  :flying

Great used of emoticons. lol

Quote from: Locutus on April 27, 2007, 12:41:10 PM
Also, isn't Dharma gone, at least according to Ben. (Who, it should be noted, has only lied when he said he was Henry Gale, and that he wasn't an other. As far as we know, anyway.)    :confused

Dharma is not gone.. they are still doing food drops. I think this is all one gigantic experiment.

I agree with the experiment theory. I just don't know who is doing the experimenting.

More and more questions!!!! I'm loving Lost but man I wish I would get more answers then questions.  We all knew that John's Dad was the original Sawyer, no surprise there. What is the secret that Jack is keeping from Kate, that Juliet wanted to tell her.  Why doesn't everyone think they are dead... are they really dead?  I'm glad John ratted out Juliet as a rat.  These last few episodes look to be really good. I hope they give us some big answers.

The next episode is ALL DHARMA, baby.

OH yeah.

I continue to think that the whole thing on LOST is one big behavioral experiment.  Everyone is being toyed with and manipulated.  It really is the only answer.  From typing in the code back in the hatch, to bringing in people from everyone's past, etc.

Oh - I think the Jack/Juliet secret is that Juliet is basically a double agent and Jack knows all about her arrangement with Ben.  But, I still don't trust her or any of the others.

why I love this show:

1)Even though I knew Cooper was the Original Sawyer I still was on the edge of my seat!!

2)The Acting in the scenes with Sawyer and Sawyer.

3)The look on Sawyer's face when Locke called him on having no bullets.

4)The fact that neither Locke, nor Rousseu asked any questions of each other in the Black Rock.

5)The stupidity of Kate for tell Jack precicily what Sayid told her NOT to tell HIM.

6)The Secret Juliet and Jack have.

7)Locke showing why he's the coolest dude and ratting out Juliet.

8)The fact that the writers made fun of us twice in this episode.  First with, "The Box is a METAPHOR", and then the whole Hell thing.

9)The fact that I think the whole cooper thing worked out exactly was Ben hoped.  They don't kill people remember?  they get others to do it for them.  They didn't want John to kill Cooper.  They wanted, and conned John into getting Sawyer to do it.  

10)Every scene with Ben and Locke.    Those two are excellent actors.

11)The preview for next week causing me to forget the episode I just saw for a short time.   NEXT WEEK LOOKS AMAZING!!!

Hmm, does anyone think Ben is playing Locke with the Juliet recording thing?  I mean how dumb was it to be playing that thing when Locke went to see Ben?  Especially since Ben asked to see him.  I smell one big setup. 

I detect that aroma as well, sir.

I thought Last Nights Epsiode was good, I liked what they Did with Lockes dad, and having Sawyer kill him. I liked how Lockes Dad never really gave Sawyer the satisfaction as well, as he never really read that note Sawyer was carrying with him for so long.
I am really liking Sayid, he is the only one asking questions, and the Losties are lucky to have him right now. Not sure what to think of Jack and Juliet and there secret. I think that Ben is playing with them as well with the tape recordings that Juliet is making. Interested to find out more about Dharma next week.

WARNING...SPOILERS.   Come on, you still haven't watched this weeks episode ??? :)

This episode was great.  One of the best in the season.  I love it when questions are answered and sub-plots are resolved.
Sawyer and Locke were at their best.   At first, I thought Ben had killed Johns father with that blow to the head.   I hadn't even
guessed at the connection with Sawyer until "dad" started shooting off his mouth.  I still don't trust Ben or the others -- Locke
might be getting set up for a disappointment worse than his father.  Hurley once again, speaks volumes with a single line - hilarious.
Lockes father was just asking for it.  He probably thought "We're all dead so what does it matter".  I kind of feel sorry for Sawyer.
I think he really wants to change his ways and this might push him back toward the "dark side".   I'm still teetering on being a big
fan of the show but I will definitely keep watching.  WOW !!

I hope next year, ABC will change the schedule so all episodes are shown back-to-back.  Like 24.

I think Sawyer might not be long for this world, since his character arc is done. Charlie's is done as well, and the island has been trying to kill him off. Unless the island is testing Desmond, and is only using Charlie as the test.

Locke's is done too, and he may go as well. Hey, I would be fine with killing off a couple of the majors, and have Hurley become the hero of the piece. :)

Yeah I was thinking the same thing about Sawyer getting killed off now that he has completed his life goal of getting revenge on the man who destroyed his family. I hate to say it.. but Charlie is a goner.  I mean they have been teasing us from the beginning of season three... if they don't kill him off I'll be very disappointed.

About Charlie, it's very odd for Lost to tell us who will die, and then have it happen.

I think Charlie will die, but I also think something will happen that will be a shocker.  Like Claire will die as well, or Desmond kill himself to save Charlie in some manner. 

I hope Locke doesn't die :(.   He's my fav

Lost To End With Season 5

In January Lost producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse stated they want to set a specific end date for the series, but had yet to come to an agreement with ABC. E! is now reporting that the adventures on that weird island will come to an end in two years and that ABC will announce this at their ‘upfronts’ later this month.

At last year’s Comic-Con Cuse and Lindelof said that they would leave the show when they felt they were done, but were concerned ABC would keep it going. They even joked that they would kill off every character to force ABC to do a ‘zombie season’ if they wanted it to come back. Although Geek thinks that Lost has recently turned itself around, we welcome an end date. 2 more years is plenty of time for them to wrap up the character arcs and unresolved mysteries and the timetable keeps them from falling back into spinning their wheels as they were earlier in season 3.

No Zombie Season??  That's Tragic  :P

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 04, 2007, 04:16:15 PM
Lost To End With Season 5

2 more years is plenty of time for them to wrap up the character arcs and unresolved mysteries and the timetable keeps them from falling back into spinning their wheels as they were earlier in season 3.

I'm glad they are ending it in 2 years. That said, I have not really felt that any episode of this series has just been "spinning their wheels". Some may be better than others, but all of them have had some merit in the Losties universe. And I think that we are seeing that even at it's seemingly most irrelevant, something in those episodes becomes important or relevant over time, and we see that things which seemed unnecessary have proven that the creators know where they are going with this.

I think it's sad that, when finally given what they want, fans still complain because it wasn't the "right color" or "just too good."

That's one thing about fans... they will always complain about something. Aren't people great.

Not to keep this going, as this is my last comment about that specifically, but one guy complained a few weeks ago that they answered too many questions!

Just ... ridiculous.

Let's bring this conversation back to Lost. I am happy that they will plan an out for the sereis... this will allow them to plan out things better knowing they have to wrap up things within a certain time period.

I think two more seasons sounds about right to me. I think next season will work up to Sun (Possibly Kate) and their pregnancys, and if they will survive or not on the island.
I will be interested to see what happens with Sawyer, as others noted above, that the last epsiode kind of brings his backstory arc to a conclussion. I would have to think though, if they are doing two more seasons, and Sawyer being a popular character, that they will probably keep him around. I totally could see them Killing of Charlie this year, as I am sure a Major Cast member will be sacrificed for the show. Desmond might be a possibility as well, though they have done a few Desmond Focussed shows, so I cant see them offing him yet, unless they do, and he comes back somehow.
I am getting the feeling that Walt and Michael might show up in the Finale, from listening to the Official Podcasts, I just get the feeling that we will be seeing them again, and would not surprise me to see them again this season. All just a big guess on my part.

Lost to End in 2010
Source: Variety
May 7, 2007


ABC has agreed to let the producers of "Lost" set an expiration date for the series -- three years in the future, reports Variety.

The series will now wrap after the production of 48 additional episodes that will be divided into three, shortened 16-episode seasons. The final episode -- the show's 119th -- will air during the 2009-10 season.

"Lost" showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have signed new multi-year overall deals with ABC Television Studio to continue with the series until the end. The duo had made setting a wrap date for the show a condition for staying.

Lindelof and Cuse had wanted "Lost" to end after two more seasons. They're essentially still getting their wish: The 48 episodes they'll produce over the next three years is the same number the show produced during its first two seasons.

ABC execs, however, came up with a way to keep "Lost" on its schedule for three more seasons. What's more, the 16-episode arcs will run without repeats (a la "24"), allowing ABC to make the show more of an event.

Lindelof and Cuse, who are putting the finishing touches on the third-season finale, released a joint statement praising what they termed "a bold and unprecedented move for ABC" and thanking McPherson and Pedowitz for making it.

Cuse added that he hoped more shows will be able to follow the "Lost" lead and declare an end date.

"I think for story-based shows like 'Lost,' as opposed to franchise-based shows like 'ER' or 'CSI,' the audience wants to know when the story is going to be over," Cuse wrote. "When J.K. Rowling announced that there would be seven 'Harry Potter' books, it gave the readers a clear sense of exactly what their investment would be. We want our audience to do the same."

The show's end game is expected to kick into high gear later this month with the broadcast of the season finale.

While i would never argye for less Lost episodes.

How cool would it be if it ended with 108 episodes?

On until 2010?!?!?!   I think that is pretty excessive.

I'm sure that it's a compromised. ABC doesn't want to lose the advertisement revenue from Lost... but the producers want an out date so they can write a complete story.  This way the show can end properly and they will get a few more years of revenue. It's still the same amount of episodes for two years.. they are just going to stretch them out to three.

I guess I would of thought that after "stretching" things out this year they would of learned folks don't like that.  Oh, well.

well they are going to do is 16 episodes in a row per year... no more 5 here 5 there. I think it's a great idea.

I like everything about this plan.

me too.. it's kind of nice knowing that this series will end and that they will have time to finish telling their story. I hate when series end on a cliffhanger and are never resolved.

You and me both, brother. (with a Desmond accent)

So, looking forward to the next episode? All Dharma, All the time! (according to the trailers)

Only 3 more episodes, and I cannot frelling wait! I have a writing class on Wednesday nights, and I hurry home, about 40 miles, to watch Lost! Loving this season!

This is great News. I like the Idea of 16 epsiode seasons as well. It gives us Lost for a few more years, it gives the writers a set amount of epsiodes to finish the series. Probably will help as well, as most epsiodes should be meaningful and relate to the ongoing story arc.

I agree also.

But I still can't believe they didn't work it out so it's 108 episodes.  :)

WOWEEE -- what an episode tonight.   :dalek DANGER, DANGER WILL ROBINSON -- spoilers ahead...

I liked the background on Ben and the meeting with "Jacob".   I think Ben feels threatened by Locke - you could tell by the "others" reaction when he cancelled Mikails plan -- also that he heard Jacob.  I don't know about that ending.   At first, I liked Locke but not lately.   I don't know why he goes off on his own like that and now he could die because no one was around to help.    Last episode  -- looks great.

Not sure about this 48 episodes over the next 3 years.  Make me nervous that other shows might do the same thing.  I'm going to be 50 when they get off that island - or not.  Not the 50 part,  the getting off the island part.

Five Things.

1)Locke cannot be dead.  If he is, I'll cry.

2)The Others apparently don't age, or age very slowly.  Dunno how, or why, but it's very interesting.

3)One theory I have is that the Ben/Jacob situation is a Fight Club/Tyler Durden situation.  The only thing that interferes with this theory is the very quick shot of Jacob.  And in that shot he reeeeaaallllly looks like Locke with a bad wig on.

4)I really wish Jack was evil.  I think it would be better drama.

5)VOLCANO ON THE ISLAND!!?!??!

Yes, I thought it was a really cool epsiode. I just cant see them Killing Locke off, as he has such a strong Connection to the Island. Not really sure what I make of Jacob either, as really was not expecting that to be honest.
I am not sure what to make of the aging of some of the Others/Hostiles. Was surprised to see Richard in Bens flashback, when Ben was a Boy, and Richard has not aged in the least.
Interesting to see that Ben killed off his father at the end. Felt a little sypathetic for Ben, as he had a terrible father. I liked how bens father was the Skeleton that Hurley found in the old van.

Wait a minute -- there was a shot of Jacob ????   OMG - I erased it already.  Hopefullly, it will repeat next week.   No - Locke will not die.  If the others don't age -- maybe not having children is the price to pay.   Look at this way -- we have 3 MORE YEARS to get the answer - :(

Quote from: JoSpiv on May 10, 2007, 07:13:48 PM
Five Things.

1)Locke cannot be dead.  If he is, I'll cry.

2)The Others apparently don't age, or age very slowly.  Dunno how, or why, but it's very interesting.

3)One theory I have is that the Ben/Jacob situation is a Fight Club/Tyler Durden situation.  The only thing that interferes with this theory is the very quick shot of Jacob.  And in that shot he reeeeaaallllly looks like Locke with a bad wig on.

4)I really wish Jack was evil.  I think it would be better drama.

5)VOLCANO ON THE ISLAND!!?!??!

Someone on the Official Lost boards said they thought the island was Neverland.

The people never age, the outfits they were wearing looked old, the Black Rock was Captain Hook's ship, and drew some other parallels.

Sounds like an interesting theory.

OH, and I think the granules of black whatever Locke picked up were the smoke monster.

Or Jacob is the smoke monster.

Or ... not. Who knows!

Loved this latest episode.  LOST has really pulled me back in during the last few shows.  Locke is da man!  And of course he won't die.  There is a quick flash of the "Jacob" guy in the chair and it's the same guy that young Ben finds out in the jungle.  The leader of the hostiles.  Who is also the guy that recruited Juliet.  There is a lot more to him than meets the eye.  Show is definitely back on track for me!

Richard is the guy that met with young Ben in the woods.
Richard is also the guy that recruited Juliet.
Richard is also the one that gave Locke Sawyers file.
Richard seems to be Ben's right hand man.
And for some strange reason he hasn't aged in 30 years.   
I think there is more to Richard then meet the eye.
But I don't think it was Richard in the chair "jacob". There are screen grabs of this guy and it looks more like Locke. I'll see if I can find it and post it here.

Here is a screen grab of the mysterious Jacob.

Hmm, Kenny.  That looks different than what I saw.  I paused it on the screen and everything.  I really thought it was "Hostile" version Richard.  Anyway, interesting stuff.  People do age on the island.  We have seen many examples of that.  Maybe Richard is a clone?  A twin??  The black mist???  Hehe.  It's fun t speculate.

I'm not sure -- why would he say "Help me".   Maybe Ben is able to hold him there ?   Why the animosity toward a flashlight ? :)
I'm already preparing myself for all the questions that will remain after the finale.  Rumor is someone is going to die - most bets are on Charley but I hope not.   I was reading in TV guide Rose and Bernard will be on this week.  Kind of wondered what happened to those two.   The logical explanation JJ insists is getting harder to believe.   I'm sure Kirk/Spock will be in the finale  :metallica:

Yeah, I agree Mark.  I'm having a lot of trouble with JJ saying everything has a logical, scientific answer.  But I am enjoying the shows a lot more lately.  Not exactly sure why Ben shot Locke.  He seems to like Locke a lot since John seems more "in tune" with the island than anyone else.  One thing I was a bit disappointed about in the last episode is not real answers about the whole Jack/Juliet team up.  More on that next week I guess.  Just happy Jack seems more like his old self now.

P.S.  When Ben helped gas the Dharma group, where was that girl friend of his - what was her name?  Did she die too?

Definitely, the pacing has really picked up.   As good as season 1.   On Ben's little friend -- would that be Rousseau ?   :shocked 
Was she a member of the Dharma group ?   All I recall is that she was one of a group of scientist who crashed on the island.   If she is a member of the Dharma project, she has not been entirely truthful.   Big 2 hour finale next week.

By the way, does anyone recognize Alex (Bens daughter) from another long running show on FOX ?   She was in maybe 6-8 episodes and played the lead characters quirky "little" girlfriend.   I wasn't sure it was her until I checked her filmography on IMDB.  Just wondering if anyone else noticed.

I was speculating that maybe Richard might come to Lockes aid. As he does not seem to be totally in line with Bens wishes.
I am also wondering if next year, we mayget more flashbacks on Ben and maybe find out what happend to the Girl he liked.

Watched the episode --  I really hope this is not one huge double-cross.   All the pregnant women go off with J/J while all the people who can handle guns are on the beach ?  If I was Ben, I think I can afford to lose a couple of hired guns to get all the women.

Quote from: markinro on May 16, 2007, 08:49:40 PM
Watched the episode --  I really hope this is not one huge double-cross.   All the pregnant women go off with J/J while all the people who can handle guns are on the beach ?  If I was Ben, I think I can afford to lose a couple of hired guns to get all the women.

Wow.. I didn't even think of that. I hope that is not how the story will play out.

I really enjoyed this episode.. I thought Charlie was going to die for sure, but then Desmond said he was going to take his place but then Charlie knocked out Desmond and I knew he was going to die and then he survives and I knew he wasn't going to be alone.

Can't wait for the two hour finale... looks like it's going to be really cool. 

I think the girl in the Looking Glass that had the gun was Annie. And it may well be a huge double cross. And I think I'm leaving class early next Wednesday to watch TV.

Yeah that is who I thought it was when I saw her.. but I wasn't sure. Also did you catch that it was Sayid's girl Nadia that Charllie saved from the mugger!!!

I THOUGHT SO! We sat there for a while going "Where do we know her from?" lol

Nadia ?  Really ?  I thought she was killed by the interogators.  Have to watch it again tonight.   I don't recall - who's Annie ?
This is all just a really clever way to get people to buy the previous seasons on DVD :)

Isn't her name Annie? Ben's little girlfriend from his flashback episode?

Nadia is alive and well, and living in America last we saw here.   While Locke was a gas inspector or something he ran into her.  :)

I dunno what to say.  This show is so good.  And I'm going totally spoiler free into the finale.  I have no clue what i'll do when it goes off until February.   

I am hoping, that Jack is still evil.  I don't dislike him, I just think it would be better drama if Jack was double crossing and triple crossing and quadruple crossing everyone.

I am really pumped for next weeks season finale. I must admit I missed picking up on Nadia. I never even thought of a double cross, but that would be interesting for sure. As well they seperated Jin and Sun, as Jin stayed behind as one of the Gunmen.
I really liked Charlies story last night as well. I did not think Charlie would die, as it seemed like the Obvious thing to do, as they had been building it up. I was thinking that Desmond would die for a minute there when he said he would go.
Interested to Find out more about the Looking Glass. I suspect that the people in it have been stuck down there, since the Sub was destroyed a few epsiodes back. So it will be interesting to hear more about it.

Quote from: JoSpiv on May 17, 2007, 06:58:38 PM
I am hoping, that Jack is still evil. 

Jack is most assuredly self-important and ego-driven, as many surgeons seem to be, or at least are portrayed, but why do you think he's evil? What has he done to deserve that assessment?

Never trust the others -- or anyone who associates with them.  They are evil and the evilness is contagious.  If Jack had involved Kate, Sayid or even Sawyer in his little "thing" with Juliet, I would be far more willing to trust him.   He only told them the truth at the last possible second.  I think he is also pulling the wool over Rousseau's eyes as well -- BIG mistake.   I think Rousseau is one of the others who rebelled when Ben came on the scene.   Guess we just have to wait and see.

While I have no issue with lightheartedly calling the Others evil, and I can definitely see the actions they take being wrong because of the negative impact they have on the Losties, I really think if they had started the show completely from the other's perspective we would be much less willing to declare them "evil". Misguided, definitely; ill-informed, assuredly; but evil?

Looking at their current actions, from Losties perspective, it sure looks like evil. But if you think the Dharma initiative was exploiting the island, performing unethical tests  on the inhabitants, the "hostiles" had to eradicate them to gain their freedom, they started dying out because of the lasting effects of the Dharma Initiative experiments, they felt they needed to protect themselves when flight 815 crashed, there were children that would grow up to hate them and kill them on the flight, they wanted to keep the properties of the island from killing the pregnant mothers and they felt the Losties would not understand but later would come around, and indeed some have ...

Very long sentence, but all of these points from the Other's perspective would not only prove them to be the good guys, which they truly believe, but considering how many of them the Losties have killed, they could see the Losties as the evil ones.

Not that I am particularly empathetic of the Others, I just don't think it's fair to paint them all with the same brush, as I really feel most of them are perfectly sane and rational, and don't truly understand what is going on.

Ben, on the other hand, is IMHO evil.

LOST season finale!  Wow - just wow!  Loved it!  Will write more tomorrow.

Yes, it was pretty cool, did not expect the flash forward for Jack, as I spent the whole episode trying to figure out where it fit in Jacks backstory. My guess for the person who died in his flash forward will be either Locke or maybe Ben.
Caught me off guard with Charlie, but they gave him a very fitting end.
Hurley to the rescue, sorry to see Tom go though.
Not really sure what to make of Locke, I liked how they worked Walt into the epsiode. Locke is definitely walking a different path from everyone else.

I knew it was a Jack flash forward from the very first moment.. not sure why I just did but then he made several comments about his Dad like he was still alive. So I figured I was wrong and it was a flashback, since his dad died before the plane crash...but then we got to the end and it was a flash forward so what was the deal with Jack talking about his dad as if he was alive... that is my only complaint about tonight's episode.. everything else was AWESOME.

We all knew Charlie was going to die, he has been marked for death since early in season three.  Not liking Locke at the moment. I think it was Locke who was in the casket that no one went to.

Now we have to wait eight months before we get more....

My head is still kind of spinning from everything that happened in last night's show.  Lot's of good, good stuff happened.  I really enjoyed this finale - a lot.  The people were starting to act like I think they should.  Mainly working together to get off that darn island.  The look into Jack was very interesting.  I have to say, I was glad they finally fought back and took out some of the Others.  Way overdue for what they have put them all through.  Sawyer has really turned to the dark side now.  I'm not sure what to think about everything that Ben said about contacting the outside for rescue, etc.  Seems a bit to convenient.  I have to say it was kind of fun to watch Jack pound Ben in the face over and over. 

Now as far as the flash forward several questions come up.  Is Jack's dad really still alive?  Was him "dying" just a ruse to get Jack on the Oceanic flight?  So it appears at least 3 of them get off the island, Jack, Kate and, person X  (the dead body in the coffin).  Who was dead that no one came to the funeral?  Why is it Jack thinks they should of just stayed on the island?  And of course, why is Jack so messed up now in the future?

Lots of questions to ponder over the long wait for new shows.

This is why I love Lost...the name of the funeral home in last nights episode was (Hoffs/Drawlar) anagrams to "Flash Forward"

Here is a screen cap of the piece of newspaper... everyone is trying to figure out who died in the flash forward.

We know it was a Man.

I thought lost was great last night.

Finally Jack says no to Ben.  Ben is such a great creep. :starwars:

Sawyer.. DARK!  oooooooooo. :ninja

Charlie...  :'(  Maybe he swam out the window?  I could always hope. :angel:

Penny?  Hmmmm?????? :lamo

Jack's dad... ALIVE?  or just dillusions of a drunk man. :smilie_bleh:

Go Hurley.  I never seen a VW bus used as a rescue plot.   :metallica:

Jack and Juliette?  smooooooch! :love

Gold passes for the survivors. :flying

Oh, there was so much to see, and so little time.  And now we have to wait.

My wife said, I bet they are going to do the whole show from the future now, and show flash backs from the Island.  I laughed.

Quote from: moyer777 on May 24, 2007, 09:44:27 AM
My wife said, I bet they are going to do the whole show from the future now, and show flash backs from the Island.  I laughed.

Well that is the popular rumor at the moment.. they kept saying the finale would take Lost in another entirely new direction.  I wouldn't be surprised if they brought to the  show to present time 2008 and showed the past three years in flashbacks.

Here is a better shot of the newpaper.. you can make out Man first name J....... last name is ....ntham he was from New York

Man Found in Downtown Loft

The body of J? ?ntham of New York was ?? (found?) shortly after 4am
in the ?? (a number and block?) of Grand Avenue. ?? doorman at
The Tower ?? ntham's loft heard loud noises ?? the loft ??
safety, he entered the ?? discovered the ?? from a beam in the

Joshua ????

Who's Joshua.. do you mean Jacob??

Ok, I'm back to Lost Fandom.   Woweee -- what a show !!  This was a long time coming - even with that ending.   The supposed flashback.   Didn't Jack look younger ?  His hair more black ?   I wonder also -- is this a possible future or just the one that would result if things continue on their present course ?   It can go just about anywhere in the next 3 YEARS.  Almost wants to make me get a physical -- I must see the end of this freakin' show !!   Locke is just getting plain spooky.  I'm sure he only thinks he saw Walt.

Hurley saves the day -- YEAH !!!
Charley didn't have to die.  Seems like he had plenty of time
Mikhail is a COCKROACH -- he just won't DIE !!!
No way would I go off with Ben alone -- whatever he has to say, say it in front of everyone
That was nice with Rousseau and Alex
I would just wrung Ben's neck -- Jack is still too nice sometimes
Hurray for Sawyer "I don't believe him" -- its gosh darn about time
What's the deal with Locke ?  Did he have to go number 1 there at the end ?  :D

I'll try to be on the skype call.  So much to talk about

Ooops -- got my bible characters mixed up

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 24, 2007, 04:57:47 PM
Who's Joshua.. do you mean Jacob??

Thanks for the screen Captures Kenny, definitely going to leave a lot for me to ponder for the upcoming months.
I don't know what to make of Jack talking about his father, and being a live. Part of me thinks his father is still alive, and another part of me thinks that Jack is delusional, and is just imagining his father is still alive. As well, when he was on the island, you could see his 3 day beard was greying, but in the flashforwards, his beard did not have any grey in it. I will have to make the assumption that he colours his beard.
I am also wondering if the flash forward is of some sort of alternate timeline.
I agree with Mark, that Charlie had time to escape, so he must have wanted to die, as he probably figured he would never escape that fate. I like how they handled Charlies death, in that we were expecting it, but then they gave us a bit of hope, that he would not die, but in the end they killed him. I found for a lot of the series, I did not care for the Charlie character, but just like Shannon, they made him into a likeable character before they killed him, and now I will miss him.
I think the Losties contacting Naomies boat will be a bad thing. I think Locke and Ben are correct on that, but both have no credibility with the Losties. Pennys reaction to the boat, and Charlies last act of the message, leads me to believe that this boat and group of people will be a bad thing for them. I have another thought , that maybe the boat and people are not bad, and tied to Jacks Flash forward revelation about being rescued.

The big question to me right now is whether the flash forward stuff is definitely the way things will turn out or are how they might turn out?  Could it be just how Jack thinks things might be in the future after they get rescued?  Is it more just his imagination?

Ben is like the boy who cried wolf.   Why would he expect anyone to believe him after all the lies ?  I doubt Jack's father is alive -- he ID'd the body in the morgue.  We also have the empty coffin.  What was the story behind that again ? 

Its a neat idea, but I don't know about this flash forward thing for the next 3 years.

Personally, I think it was Locke's funeral.   He didn't really have any family/friends and I can understand Jack's reaction.   Just one more thing to think as I watch the clock tick away into Jan 2008  - arrrrghhh...

Ok, Mr.  Emerson -- its just a TV show...  :D

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2858527 (http://www.ifilm.com/video/2858527)

That was really Funny. I liked the Flashback Scene, added a lot of humour to the interview.

Quote from: Rico on May 25, 2007, 05:37:47 AM
The big question to me right now is whether the flash forward stuff is definitely the way things will turn out or are how they might turn out?  Could it be just how Jack thinks things might be in the future after they get rescued?  Is it more just his imagination?

I really believe what we saw there was a legit flash foward.  Whether it's one possible future is still in question.  In the Lost universe they've made a big deal about time, and our ability to change the future. 

That final scene is incredible.  What exactly does Jack mean when he says he's sick of lying?  Did Oceanic, or some other group make them lie about what happened on the island?  Were they paid off?  Was Kate given a pardon with the understanding that she'd keep quiet?

Obviously, the big question of the flashfoward is who is in the coffin, but I think this isn't as important as we think it might be.  Often times Lost has one mystery that we think is really important, but it's there to divert our attention from other mysteries.  Lost loves misdirection.

It was an awesome finale, best finale of the year. 

Here's a thought (that was probably expressed better elsewhere .. even so) - what if the stuff on the island was the flashback, and from now on they are off the island?

(I don't think that will happen, just an interesting thought.)