I know this is probably the wrong place to post about watching LESS tv, but Fran and I have noticed that we rarely watch our actual satellite TV service much anymore. Almost all of our time i spent on Netflix or streaming stuff from the main computer via PLEX. Between landline, internet and TV we're paying around 220/month. The bulk of that is the TV service we barely use, on top of that we have a land line that is only called by my mother and telemarketers.
So we're thinking of cutting the cord. Dropping our TV and land line and only paying Bell for a 15 meg up/10 meg down unlimited internet connection.
Our current setup is this:
1. Proxy set up on the router so I can hit US netflix and Hulu (and maybe iTunes but I haven't tired that yet)
2. Roku on the upstairs TV (Netflix, PLEX, etc...)
3. XBox (Netflix, PLEX, etc...) and Blue Ray player on the downstairs TV
I'm thinking of adding:
1. Either a Mac Mini or a Windows or Linux based HTPC to the downstairs TV
2. Maybe another Roku on the downstairs TV.
3. an HD antenna to get some local over the air stuff (http://www.tvfool.com/ (http://www.tvfool.com/) says I should be able to get 8-10 channels with an indoor antenna)
and for the phone I'll probably convert our local mobile airtime to "Anywhere" minutes to handle long distance coupled with our current 3.00/month skype LD service.
So, that's the plan. Questions? Comments? Suggestions?
We have friends here that have done the same thing! We would consider it but Jamie watches a ton of shows on TLC or HGTV, she loves those home improvement shows and lot's of bad reality TV!
Sounds like a good move to me! We don't have traditional cable or local tv and it works. Between netflix, hulu, and files I put on my little usb drive, we are totally happy. A good side effect (besides saving money) is that all your tv watching becomes a planned and conscious decision. :thumbsup
We have been contemplating doing more or less the same thing.
The only thing keeping me from doing this, is losing HBO Go. My wife and I watch mostly stuff from Amazon Prime or Netflix, and watch very little TV (other than Big Bang Theory).
I have a hard Skype number, as well as us both having mobile phones.
Yeah, that was our main thought. The only time we watch actual live TV is when we want some background noise. Also, saving over 100 dollars a month is nice too. Unbundling my internet service will jack it up about 25.00/month (5.00 in bundle savings and 20.00 increase for the unlimited option).
Quote from: billybob476 on April 25, 2013, 07:17:37 AM
Yeah, that was our main thought. The only time we watch actual live TV is when we want some background noise. Also, saving over 100 dollars a month is nice too. Unbundling my internet service will jack it up about 25.00/month (5.00 in bundle savings and 20.00 increase for the unlimited option).
$100 a month is nothing to sneeze at - I could boost the college fund deposits... hmmmm...
Also interested in maybe getting my hands on a Raspberry Pi and see how that works as a media center "PC". I think Dangelus has that up and running.
I have been using Sony's Google TV, and am extremely satisfied. The mini-keyboard remote is worth it in itself.
I have too much stuff, but I'm happy that I can see shows that I never thought I wanted to see like Backyard Oil.
Currently we have every cable channel except for The Movie Channel package.
Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, and XBox music are or non-cable services, but most of those are also used by my brother and his family.
Currently, for all of that and 60/10 internet and land line, I pay about 210 a month after taxes. I can't give up cable because I like the convenience of HBO Go, Max Go, and other bonuses for having the cable. I can run Xfinity off my x-box, so everything really works well for me.
I could do without the landline, but it's actually free or less when added to my bundle.
Between Netflix, Hulu (which I barely use due to lack of time), YouTube and gaming, I will never ever need cable/satellite. And yeah, there are series worth watching on YouTube.
Have any of you toyed with Aereo yet? It is supposed to be coming to my area soon. That might be the ticket for me.
I haven't paid a cable or satellite bill in years and I have never lacked for anything to watch. First I have saved money by not buying cable but I do spend a little to have Netflix streaming service. Second I save time and frustration not wasting time trying to find something to watch. There's no remote control madness in our house.
Kevin
Maybe I am a minority here, but what do you do regarding sports? Is there other methods to get that if you would want? I trimmed back my cable bill quite a bit as I was paying more then you were Joe, but I don't think I could ever drop it all together.
Quote from: jedijeff on April 25, 2013, 04:42:28 PM
Maybe I am a minority here, but what do you do regarding sports? Is there other methods to get that if you would want? I trimmed back my cable bill quite a bit as I was paying more then you were Joe, but I don't think I could ever drop it all together.
Yeah, no F1?!
I have cable, but we are canceling it...the bill just went to 250 bucks. Need TV for sports, like Jeff said. But Direct TV has a better deal than Comast right now. I could actually get along with my Rokus and Xbox with Netflix, HuluPlus, and Amazon, but I need my NFL, NBA, and MLB.
We have Direct TV, it's a little less $100/month for the basic HD channels, no HBO. We only have the most basic movie channels. We also need our college and pro football...
I don't watch much in the way of sports, really just some occasional hockey. With an HD antenna I should be able to pick up Hockey Night in Canada on the CBC.
Quote from: billybob476 on April 25, 2013, 08:11:43 AM
Also interested in maybe getting my hands on a Raspberry Pi and see how that works as a media center "PC". I think Dangelus has that up and running.
Joe, it works OK, the menus on XBMC can run a little laggy. Saying that I've got the original model that had less RAM and I'm told it works a lot better with the double RAM version.
I actually use Atom / Ion2 based 'net boxes' as my HTPCs which work really great. Low power consumption and they handle 1080p video very nicely.
Wow, I'm behind the times for this group :)
When we moved, we kept up the almost basic Sky subscription and they threw in Phone and Broadband for free for a year so we had the lot for a year for £21 per month. That's just gone up to about £45 now that the deals ended but I can't see too much by way of a cheaper alternative.
We don't have any streaming services at all but I've yet o be convinced that there are really any of any value over here.
I have no use for a land line at all but as its always tied in with broadband pricing, I don't see too much incentive to ditch it just yet. (Besides, if I did that, the mother-in-law wouldn't be able to get hold of us. Hmmmm...) ;)
One of the happiest times in my life was during college, where for a two or three year period I watched almost no TV at all in fact for two years we had no TV in our house, and there was no such thing as laptop computers, cell phones, and tablets. Going out to the movies was a an extremely enjoyable treat because of this and we did it a lot. Of course I spent almost all of my time either socializing or traveling, and my life was rich and full without the tube and I didn't miss it at all. Things are pretty different now, but I feel like if I went a few months without I would pretty quickly stop missing it. Of course I'd have to stop coming here or I'd feel bad about all the cool stuff I was missing.
You are spot on! Although I love it, TV is a huge sink-hole for your time. Having all this great stuff is a double edged sword.
Quote from: Jobydrone on April 26, 2013, 04:23:32 AM
One of the happiest times in my life was during college, where for a two or three year period I watched almost no TV at all in fact for two years we had no TV in our house, and there was no such thing as laptop computers, cell phones, and tablets. Going out to the movies was a an extremely enjoyable treat because of this and we did it a lot. Of course I spent almost all of my time either socializing or traveling, and my life was rich and full without the tube and I didn't miss it at all. Things are pretty different now, but I feel like if I went a few months without I would pretty quickly stop missing it. Of course I'd have to stop coming here or I'd feel bad about all the cool stuff I was missing.
I hear you on this. I had a similar experience.
On a related note, sometimes I have a tech detox day during which I don't touch a computer and I treat my cell like a land line. These are very peaceful, mentally regenerative days.
Yeah, I'm planning a camping trip or two this summer where the iPhone will stay wherever we leave the car.
We did have a regular weekly get together in the common room when TNG was first airing. It was pretty awesome watching that shows first run with a big group of nerdy college kids all of like mind, a memory I'll always treasure and probably a big reason why I'll always hold that show so close to my heart.
Cable is expensive but I like to keep up to date on current shows so I live with it. I watch a fair amount on the cable networks like AMC, USA & SyFy and we can't get those over the air.
Quote from: Bryancd on April 25, 2013, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: jedijeff on April 25, 2013, 04:42:28 PM
Maybe I am a minority here, but what do you do regarding sports? Is there other methods to get that if you would want? I trimmed back my cable bill quite a bit as I was paying more then you were Joe, but I don't think I could ever drop it all together.
Yeah, no F1?!
Over here in North America F1 is pretty much an all cable affair, not going to see any races without it, and then I would not get my Lewis Hamilton fix. I seem to have out grown being a fan of a particular athlete, but for some reason I am a fan of his. Joe Mentioned he can watch Hockey over there air waves, but for me, most of our NHL teams games are on cable, but the way they have played the last 5 years or so, I might be better off missing them...
We dropped all the way down to basic cable and we even had thoughts of dropping that except for I like some sports also MLB, NFL, college football. Not much into basketball or hockey though. I get 22 channels so I can watch football except for ESPN and Big 10 network games. And baseball is limited to a Fox game on Sat. and a TBS game on Sunday. So I do miss my local teams on tv. I do catch the free game of the day on MLB tv alot too. Never local teams on MLB tv but you can listen to them if its the free game. I can listen to the Indians on the radio but dont pick up the Reds station very well. As far as tv shows the only one I watch regularly is Big Bang and most others I watch on Hulu. Or I wait for them to show up on Netflix. I watch Arrow, Revolution and a couple others on Hulu because it's in HD where basic cable is not. We do pay for Netflix, Netflix DVD's and Hulu Plus so we are saving alot from our old cable bill and still have plenty to watch. Yes, I do miss shows on SYFY and such but I have found that I really don't miss it much. $$$$$ I was missing. But with everything else going up I'm not having as much left over as I had hoped when we dropped down to basic. Just my 2 cents worth.
We're a "no cable" household here. Still keep a land line phone, mainly so the kids' school can call us without having to call long distance to our cell phones, but I can't remember the last time we made an outgoing call on it. Internet access is via DSL, although there are wireless internet companies in the area, if we really want to cut the cords. Primary "TV" is via Netflix, with Hulu for a few "as they are broadcast" shows. For The Big Bang Theory, you can go straight to CBS's site, and watch the last 5 episodes. If we're really desperate for something else as it airs, we'll buy it on amazon (e.g. Walking Dead).
Now, we're not a big sports household, or even a little sports household, so our need for "live" events is practically non-existent. We don't appear to be big "last night around the water cooler" folks, either. We're ok with waiting for most shows to hit Netflix, and for those that we can't there are other options.
It's certainly doable. Good luck in your quest!
Quote from: ricdude on April 27, 2013, 11:15:56 AM
We're ok with waiting for most shows to hit Netflix, and for those that we can't there are other options.
As long as that's on the up and up....
Quote from: Bryancd on April 27, 2013, 11:59:45 AM
Quote from: ricdude on April 27, 2013, 11:15:56 AM
We're ok with waiting for most shows to hit Netflix, and for those that we can't there are other options.
As long as that's on the up and up....
Between Hulu, iTunes, Amazon, and direct from the network websites, there's not a lot you'll miss out on while staying legit...
We figure a season of something on DVD, or a season of something on iTunes or Amazon every few months is way cheaper than the additional cable outlay. Been working so far...
Quote from: jedijeff on April 26, 2013, 07:02:19 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on April 25, 2013, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: jedijeff on April 25, 2013, 04:42:28 PM
Maybe I am a minority here, but what do you do regarding sports? Is there other methods to get that if you would want? I trimmed back my cable bill quite a bit as I was paying more then you were Joe, but I don't think I could ever drop it all together.
Yeah, no F1?!
Over here in North America F1 is pretty much an all cable affair, not going to see any races without it, and then I would not get my Lewis Hamilton fix. I seem to have out grown being a fan of a particular athlete, but for some reason I am a fan of his. Joe Mentioned he can watch Hockey over there air waves, but for me, most of our NHL teams games are on cable, but the way they have played the last 5 years or so, I might be better off missing them...
Living within 10 km of the CN Tower transmitter gives me some good OTA options :)
Also for NHL it looks like you can get an NHL season pass for 50 USD/year and get acces to live streams of games plus local feeds of your home team. I assume the same thing applies for MLB and NFL. I suspect that cable is still the more affordable way to get that content though.
http://gamecenter.nhl.com/nhlgc/cdsignup.jsp?cmpid=gcl-devices-van-url (http://gamecenter.nhl.com/nhlgc/cdsignup.jsp?cmpid=gcl-devices-van-url)
More on Aero:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEC_TV_ON_THE_INTERNET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-14-10-04-15 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEC_TV_ON_THE_INTERNET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-14-10-04-15)
NEW YORK (AP) -- Aereo, the startup that offers television stations over the Internet starting at $8 a month, says it will start service in Atlanta on June 17.
That follows Aereo's expansion to Boston on Wednesday. Until this week, the service had been available only in the New York City area.
Aereo will offer 27 Atlanta-area broadcast channels, plus the cable channel Bloomberg TV. Service will be limited to 55 counties in Georgia, Alabama and North Carolina.
Other markets expected in the coming months include Chicago, Philadelphia and Washington.
Aereo converts television signals into computer data and sends them over the Internet to subscribers' computers and mobile devices. Subscribers can watch channels live or record them with an Internet-based digital video recorder. They can pause and rewind live television, just like a DVR.
I got a Beta invite to Aereo for 3 months of use. Looks interesting so far.
http://www.aereo.com (http://www.aereo.com)
Yup, if they ever come into Canada I'll jump on that bandwagon quick.
As a followup, it's been a few months since we cancelled cable and I haven't felt deprived for a second.
The only thing keeping me from cutting is HBO...and that is from Game Of Thrones..
We dropped basic cable over the summer months and we were not sure if we wanted to get it back. Well 2 weeks into football season I wanted it back! So we are back to basic and we even pick up some HD channels of Fox, CBS, & ABC. So I can watch my Ohio State Buckeyes and pro football in HD. And with Netflix and Hulu I don't think I'll ever need anything more.
Just ordered this device: Alldaymall® Mini PC MXII Android 4.2 Mini PC Cortex A9 2G/8G Jelly Bean Quad Core RK3188 Cortex A9 XBMC Streaming Mini HTPC TV Box Player - this along with some plugins will get me closer to cutting the cord. I plan to do so after this season of Game of Thrones ends.
Yeah, HBO is still the sticking point for a lot of people.
Quote from: Bromptonboy on February 25, 2014, 07:51:54 AM
Just ordered this device: Alldaymall® Mini PC MXII Android 4.2 Mini PC Cortex A9 2G/8G Jelly Bean Quad Core RK3188 Cortex A9 XBMC Streaming Mini HTPC TV Box Player - this along with some plugins will get me closer to cutting the cord. I plan to do so after this season of Game of Thrones ends.
Nice! Absolutely love XBMC, used in since the original Xbox days!
Looks like you can get plug-ins for XBMC to watch almost anything out there.
Quote from: Bromptonboy on February 25, 2014, 11:04:35 AM
Looks like you can get plug-ins for XBMC to watch almost anything out there.
Yep. Hulu (with no ads if you so wish) YouTube, Vimeo, plus most networks streaming services are available.
I haven't had too much time to play with this unit yet. One thing I have noticed is that it is painful to enter text! I ended up plugging a USB keyboard into the unit for the present.
Quote from: Bromptonboy on February 26, 2014, 03:20:21 AM
I haven't had too much time to play with this unit yet. One thing I have noticed is that it is painful to enter text! I ended up plugging a USB keyboard into the unit for the present.
I use my phone or tablet as a keyboard. Works great.
Looks like Aereo was just dealt a blow by the supreme court:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101781340 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101781340)
The Supreme Court delivered a major setback to online TV startup Aereo but a win for the media business, industry watchers said Wednesday.
David Bank, a media analyst at RBC Capital Markets, called the court's ruling that the startup violated copyright law a win for consumers.
Launched in 2012, Aereo sought to revolutionize the TV industry. The service enabled customers in several cities to watch TV online via a remote antenna controlled over the web.
"Had Aereo been victorious, the risk would have been the broadcasters would have been forced to become cable channels to prevent Aereo and other technologies from monetizing its content without being paid," Bank said.
"Today that risk is gone," he said. "So the consumer wins because there's still a viable broadcast system."
Janney Montgomery Scott senior media and entertainment analyst Tony Wible described mixed outcomes of the decision.
Now that the TV system is sustained, peoples' "cable bills will likely move higher" due in part to the rising price of sports content.
Read MoreAereo CEO: We're disappointed in the outcome
Overall though, he said the ruling produced a "status quo" for TV viewers and "that if Aereo had won, the programming on broadcast would have gotten worse."
"Inevitably, I've always seen Aereo as a vampire that would have killed its host," Wible added.
While BTIG media analyst Richard Greenfield said the decision "feels like a near-term loss for the consumer," it "is clearly a big win for media."
The service, which cost as little as $8 per month, had many in the cable and broadcasting industry up in arms by threatening lucrative network retransmission fees. These fees totaled roughly $3.3 billion last year, according to a report from SNL Kagan.
Following the ruling, broadcasters' shares rose in midday trade. (Click here to track media stocks after the ruling.)
While Aereo simplified access to broadcast, Greenfield pointed out that consumers can still access it themselves.
"It means that nothing will change in terms of your access to broadcast TV," Greenfield added. "Essentially you can lease an antenna but not in the cloud."
This decision is good from an investor perspective, said Bill Smead, CEO and CIO of Smead Capital Management, whose Smead Value Fund invests in Gannett, Disney and Comcast.
"The toll bridge is reestablished," said Smead.
As for pricing, Smead said TV's still an affordable form of entertainment.
"You might not be able to afford to go to Disney World, but you can afford to have your kids to go to the Disney Channel," he added.
sucks...but no way are going back to cable. We'll have 2mip internet ($30), DTV, trying Amazon Prime($8) and Netflix streaming($8) - total monthly bill still about $45.
Get that HD antenna. :)
Got it - better than the aereo service. May turn the tower into a 1TB dvr and switch to a laptop
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/technology/personaltech/new-roku-and-tivo-devices-make-cutting-the-cable-cord-plausible.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/technology/personaltech/new-roku-and-tivo-devices-make-cutting-the-cable-cord-plausible.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=0)
can't wait:
http://www.cnet.com/news/cord-cutters-hbo-coming-in-april-just-in-time-for-game-of-thrones/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/cord-cutters-hbo-coming-in-april-just-in-time-for-game-of-thrones/)
Why do I get the feeling my internet rate will be increasing? We have a deal from WOW until Feb'15 and I would rather not think about having to switch to Comcast.
I was poking around today and hooked up a digital TV antenna to my TV. I was able to get 57 stations over the air! The picture is quite good! Once HBO Go is available to non-cable homes, I am seriously thinking about cutting the cord now.
Anyone know of a good device that lets your cache - pause over the air TV like a DVR? Some sort of buffer disk for the antenna? Is there such a creature? Will a TIVO record over the air?
The base model of TIVO Roamio will let you record via an HD antenna which will let you pause programs, save them, etc.
https://www.tivo.com/shop/roamio#/roamio (https://www.tivo.com/shop/roamio#/roamio)
Cool! Thanks! I am almost there and ready then.
If you're up for rolling your own DVR, there's also MythTV: https://www.mythtv.org/ (https://www.mythtv.org/)
That looks interesting - thanks!
One of the things I really love about my current TIVO, is the ability to watch shows on my iPad, adjust the schedule of recordings, etc. I was even able to use this to watch shows on my iPad while I was in China from my TIVO in Michigan. Very cool & fun!
That is great. I have to look into getting one. I just bought an Amazon Fire Stick, which is pretty nice. My old Sony Google TV went kaput.
It is great, but you pay for it. TIVO costs a monthly fee and you pay for the device too of course. But, you can get some used ones on eBay that have lifetime service already attached to the unit. Keep in mind the iPad connection feature just works with the newer models.
I'll check Ebay - thanks for the tip.
I have dish and it does the same, I can watch any of my programs off the hopper on my phone or ipad, or computer, from anywhere with wi-fi- PRETTY COOL! I'm currently on season 3 of Breaking Bad.
Quote from: moyer777 on January 13, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
I have dish and it does the same, I can watch any of my programs off the hopper on my phone or ipad, or computer, from anywhere with wi-fi- PRETTY COOL! I'm currently on season 3 of Breaking Bad.
Such a great show, but gets very stressful.
Well, our primary streaming device (a wii) finally died. We've now upgraded to the Roku 3.
Extremely well-designed interface. Easy to set up. Cross-provider search is quite useful - no more searching Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu separately. Also a few unexpected cool channels also available PBS, National Geographic Kids. Still checking for other cool channels
Anyone else ever play with one?
We have a Roku 2 on a tv the kids use - we have been quite happy with it.
We had a Sony Google TV that I really liked - it had a nice remote with a touchpad and when you flipped it over, it had a nice backlit QWERTY keyboard. That died on us after about 3 years of use.
Now I have an Amazon Fire Stick - which so far is pretty nice. We use it just for Amazon Prime and Netflix.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8175619/hbo-now-announced (http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8175619/hbo-now-announced)
HBO's long awaited standalone subscription service is coming next month, and Apple TV has been announced as the company's "exclusive" launch device. Viewers will be able to watch HBO Now from web browsers, but Apple TV is the only streaming box getting it to start. An app for iPhone and iPad will be released, as well. "All you need to get HBO Now is a broadband connection and an Apple device," said HBO CEO Richard Plepler. Priced at $14.99 per month, HBO Now will offer access to HBO's entirely library of original shows and also its large catalog of feature films.
Customers will get a free month if they sign up from an Apple device during April, Plepler said, a move that should guarantee some pretty quick growth. This is a service that people have waited years for, remember. HBO's choice to partner initially with Apple alone is an interesting one; rather than attack every streaming device on the market, it's giving Apple's device a high-profile push. You can subscribe to HBO Now directly from an iPhone, iPad, or Apple TV. The exclusivity period will last three months, according to CNN's Brian Stelter.
As its own part of the big announcement, Apple revealed that it's cutting the price of Apple TV to $69. Rather than introduce an updated model of the set-top box, Apple is lowering the cost to better compete against Roku, Amazon, and others.
Too much money in my opinion. Outside of their original programming the repetitiveness of their programming and lack of any content of interest to me is nauseating.
Kevin
For me it would be worth just for Game of Thrones. I would drop it between seasons unless something else comes up. Curb Your Enthusiasm would keep me watching between GoT seasons - but CYE has been on hiatus.
That really isn't a bad price considering what it costs if you add HBO to your cable package which is at least $10 a month. It of course comes down to the content and if it's worth it to you. Being only on Apple TV to start is a bit of a hitch. Wonder how long that exclusive deal will stay?
I thought I read someplace it was 3 months? Might be mistaken.
It can't be long until a internet only package for the other premium content providers follows - although cable will fight that kind of offering I would imagine.
Well my cable is still basic 22 channels with 23 (History) 24 (AMC but bad reception) and 70 (Tru TV). And I have Netflix, Hulu Plus and now CBS ALL Access which is only $5.99. It used to be the only thing I would watch live besides sports is The Big Bang Theory and now that I close at work on Thursday now we watch it on CBS All Access over the weekend. Right now All Access is only available through your pc and portable devices like ipad and android devices. We just plug in a laptop with a HDMI cable and watch it on the big screen. So now I don't watch any show on its air date. Even with Arrow and Flash which I love we always watched them on Hulu because its in HD. My basic cable is not. If I didn't like baseball and football I wouldn't have cable.
Have you put up a digital antenna? I have one now - and found 57 channels in my area.
Although I have to say, the reception got choppy during a recent snow storm. :(
I did try one but I'm kinda down in a small valley so to speak and It gave 1 regular channel of ABC and about 6 different Christian Channels. We have a Christian station closer to us than anything so that's why we probably picked those up so easy. But I was hoping for a little more variety.
I still say that the first cable or satellite company that will offer a 15 channel "my choice" package for $20 a month and I'll sign up. But as long as they are going to force all the other crap on me I don't want nor would ever watch I'll remain as I am. I have such a large video library now that between it and Netflix I never lack for anything to watch. I also don't have to suffer through all those lame commercials day in and day out. I don't miss television one bit. I sleep better too.
Kevin