First couple of pics from the movie in Entertainment Weekly...and they're ok. From a spoiler bit I just read it definitely is not a vague Alien prequel. It's full on.
I saw that too,good article. Yea, they were definitely going back and forth on the prequel thing in the last couple months, but the article made it quite clear that the "Alien DNA" is in there. I think it comes down to this, they don't want to call it a prequel for some reason, perhaps they prefer the feelling of a brand new movie better than one with 37 sequels. Either way, it's Ridley Scott, and I"m on board.
Jeff
I'm in!
Other pics at the link below. This is looking very cool!
http://www.comingsoon.net/imageGallery/Prometheus (http://www.comingsoon.net/imageGallery/Prometheus)
WOA! I can't wait!
Marko
First pic of the teaser poster!
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/promethesus-movie-poster-teaser-01.jpg (http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/promethesus-movie-poster-teaser-01.jpg)
So is this part of the "Alien" Saga? From the poster I wouldn't have a clue.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on December 19, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
So is this part of the "Alien" Saga? From the poster I wouldn't have a clue.
Supposedly takes place in the same universe, and there's some small reference to the corporation from the Alien films, but otherwise an original franchise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AnlFIBNy8ko# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AnlFIBNy8ko#)
Drooling already! :jawdrop
I love that it's a trailer for a trailer :)
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on December 19, 2011, 02:01:35 PM
I love that it's a trailer for a trailer :)
Well, it did its job. I'm excited!
Hell YES! And there are a few interviews with Ridley where he discusses the ALIEN connection to this film. It's has, as he refers to it, the DNA from ALIEN without being to much like an actual ALINE prequel.
Can't wait! :metallica:
One day early peak at the trailer! SPACE JOCKEY!!!!!
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/prometheus-trailer-leaks/ (http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/prometheus-trailer-leaks/)
Quote from: Bryancd on December 21, 2011, 12:50:44 PM
One day early peak at the trailer! SPACE JOCKEY!!!!!
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/prometheus-trailer-leaks/ (http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/prometheus-trailer-leaks/)
Looks pretty incredible. :)
I get a definite Alien vibe from it. A scary, dangerous take on space exploration. :) I swear I caught a glimpse of the derelict from Alien there.
You did. The ship, the Space Jockey, even what looks like a Space Jockey skull.
I have a link to what is "supposedly" a synopsis of the film. I read it and it looks pretty legit. If anyone wants to read it PM me and I will send it. Otherwise I will keep this thread a bit more spoiler free.
Quote from: Bryancd on December 21, 2011, 04:22:52 PM
I have a link to what is "supposedly" a synopsis of the film. I read it and it looks pretty legit. If anyone wants to read it PM me and I will send it. Otherwise I will keep this thread a bit more spoiler free.
Hit me with a PM, dude. :)
I guess it's extremely likely that this takes place in the Aliens universe. I wonder what time frame we're looking at? The tech level looks similar to what we saw in the first film. Same time-frame? Years & years earlier? Distant future?
PM sent! Let's take any more chat into spoiler tags but after reading what I sent, all we be clear. :)
I so don't want to be spoiled for this. I am very curious about some of the particulars though, and knowing there's answers...very tempting.
I checked the article out (thanks Bryan). It seems there's now some question as to whether or not the information contained in it is legit. A lot of elements ring true, and would be awesome to see onscreen. One story element actually gave me the good kind of goosebumps when I read it. A few story elements feel a little too far-out for my taste, but would still probably turn out cool if executed properly.
[spoiler] I really, REALLY hope the Weyland-Yutani connection is there. Even if nothing else from the Alien universe is there, having The Company involved would be a perfect, tidy way to tie things together. [/spoiler]
Don't click, don't click, don't click....DOH I CLICKED, whew not much there
Quote from: wraith1701 on December 22, 2011, 08:19:54 AM
I checked the article out (thanks Bryan). It seems there's now some question as to whether or not the information contained in it is legit. A lot of elements ring true, and would be awesome to see onscreen. One story element actually gave me the good kind of goosebumps when I read it. A few story elements feel a little too far-out for my taste, but would still probably turn out cool if executed properly.
[spoiler] I really, REALLY hope the Weyland-Yutani connection is there. Even if nothing else from the Alien universe is there, having The Company involved would be a perfect, tidy way to tie things together. [/spoiler]
Yeah, I have read that as well. As far as your hope above, 100% yes, it's in there.
[spoiler]You can see the Weylund-Yurtani wing symbol on their clothing and gear in the trailer and pics.[/spoiler]
Hold me..
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/ (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/)
Here's the teaser trailer in all it's HD glory..
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/ (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/)
Cool teaser trailer. Love the feeling it invokes. I'm going to try pretty spoiler free, except for what is shown in the trailers themselves. Glad to see Ridley going back to this universe.
If you are ok with Spoilers and some amazing in depth analysis of all this, there is a great thread over at the RPF on this:
http://www.therpf.com/f47/ridley-scott-prometheus-not-alien-prequel-details-84507/index28.html (http://www.therpf.com/f47/ridley-scott-prometheus-not-alien-prequel-details-84507/index28.html)
Personally, I don't care about spoilers. Part of the fun is trying to learn all that I can before watching the movie. Been that way since The Empire Strikes Back storybook revealed Vader as Luke's father a month before the film came out. It made my anticipation even greater. I WANT to know! That's part of entertainment for me.
I'm fine with waiting for the movie. Knowing too much to me is like knowing what's inside your Christmas gifts before you open them up. I want the movie to surprise and impress me when I first see it on opening day.
Quote from: Rico on December 22, 2011, 04:40:49 PM
I'm fine with waiting for the movie. Knowing too much to me is like knowing what's inside your Christmas gifts before you open them up. I want the movie to surprise and impress me when I first see it on opening day.
Yeah, I agree. I used to be spoiler-heavy years ago. Now I just enjoy seeing the story unfold. I get angry if there's too many trailers of a movie I want to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vQ6SUTI1j9M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#)
Someone did an edit of a trailer for Alien done in the style of Prometheus...it's pretty cool!
That was great, Chris! Reminds me what a great movie ALIEN is...
Now I want to watch Alien. :)
Get the bluray if you don't have it. It's beautiful. That movie is so well made, it still makes me tense after 32 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH66DI2nYUs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH66DI2nYUs#)
This is neat. The Nostromo model was left outside under a tarp for 20 years, these guys acquired it and started to restore it. I can't believe they left a piece of sci-fi history to rot like that!
Oh my!
That's cool - but are we sure that's a real picture? It almost looks photoshopped. The lighting on the girl seems off.
I'm pretty sure that picture of her is from the EW piece...doesn't quite go with the background, yeah.
Yeah, I think it's a simple photo composite. But the background image is still from the movie.
Yeah, the lighting on her is all wrong, but it is cool to see that hallway from the derelict ship with the two jockey suits.
They almost look like xenomorph statues or something....
New pic...
Quote from: Chris-El on January 15, 2012, 04:10:31 PM
They almost look like xenomorph statues or something....
Actually they are space jockey suits.
Yeah I see it now. Space Jockeys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hUxdAWrsag8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hUxdAWrsag8#)
Cool speech by Guy Pearce who's playing Peter WEYLAND in Prometheus...how anyone says this isn't an Alien prequel...
Where did you find this, is it from the film or a promotional piece?
It was on Aintitcool.com. I'm not sure if it's in the film or not, but Guy Pearce is in the movie. It does kinda feel like a promotional piece but it's a cool speech.
OK, I found out more, it's a new viral campaign, very cool!
Yes indeed. The time frame of the movie can't be 2023 like he says in that video though. I hate when stuff is too close to now.
Quote from: Chris-El on February 28, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
Yes indeed. The time frame of the movie can't be 2023 like he says in that video though. I hate when stuff is too close to now.
The movie takes place in like 2050-something. This is what leads to that.
There was a recent interview with Ridley where he said that the only ALIEN connection is Weyland Yutani. I just have a hard time believing that. I bet we see some kind of xenomorph in this film. The amount of attempts at distancing itself from ALIEN makes me think that old dog put a lot of ALIEN in this film.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 28, 2012, 04:29:18 PM
There was a recent interview with Ridley where he said that the only ALIEN connection is Weyland Yutani. I just have a hard time believing that. I bet we see some kind of xenomorph in this film. The amount of attempts at distancing itself from ALIEN makes me think that old dog put a lot of ALIEN in this film.
I think maybe the distancing is from being identified with those awful Alien vs Predator movies than Alien and Aliens, both classics.
Quote from: Chris-El on February 28, 2012, 04:38:43 PM
I think maybe the distancing is from being identified with those awful Alien vs Predator movies than Alien and Aliens, both classics.
Personally I'd rather just pretend AvP doesn't exist.
I don't think Ridely even acknowledges those films existing and having anything to do with what he created. I have gotten the impression he liked the Cameron film. He's being very sly, he's pee'ing on my leg but telling me it's raining!
Well what's so great about Alien and Aliens together is they are so good in the universe, but also very different in feel. Alien3 just fell flat, and I'm in the same state of mind for the last one as I am for AvP. Prometheus gives me hope because it's Ridley back in charge and I hope like Alien and Aliens it take the universe and really adds to it, while being different in feel too. While not being generic monster movie of the week like Alien 4, and the AvPs into, just banking on the Alien franchise and some shiny action. The clip posted makes it look deeper than just generic monster movie, so I hope I'm not wrong in assuming and hoping this to be epic.
^ Well said. I can't wait to see what he has up his sleeve. I think Alien3 was in universe, they got that part right, it felt like it belonged in the Aliens universe. It was just a curious part of it.
Yeah, I didn't put Alien3 in the generic monster movie category, but it just feel kinda flat. And one of my biggest dislikes for it is right off the bat...
[spoiler]Newt and Hicks being killed. It makes all the efforts of Aliens pointless. All the work to survive and to save Newt just ends like that.[/spoiler]
I don't consider it bad, just when I think about watching through the Alien movies I almost always just watch the first two and don't really care when it comes to 3. Occasionally though I do still though, it's an alright trilogy (yeah it's just a trilogy in my book).
Quote from: Sheppard on February 29, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
Yeah, I didn't put Alien3 in the generic monster movie category, but it just feel kinda flat. And one of my biggest dislikes for it is right off the bat...
[spoiler]Newt and Hicks being killed. It makes all the efforts of Aliens pointless. All the work to survive and to save Newt just ends like that.[/spoiler]
I don't consider it bad, just when I think about watching through the Alien movies I almost always just watch the first two and don't really care when it comes to 3. Occasionally though I do still though, it's an alright trilogy (yeah it's just a trilogy in my book).
Yeah, that was unfortunate, they invested a lot of the audience emotional energy in that and then just tossed it out. I just got a kick out of the inmates and their performances.
More big stuff coming up!
http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-trailer-qa/150663/ (http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-trailer-qa/150663/)
..and we have a preview trailer...for the new trailer.. :dry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH_UpJeK6Ho# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH_UpJeK6Ho#)
I think they teased the last trailer with a shorter one too, didn't they? Oh that Ridley! Such a tease! ;)
Here we go!!!
"http://ictv-filmschool-ec.indieclicktv.com/player/embed/a3c2b41eb0b808457602b5bdd78b349c/4f642915bf863/1/0/defaultPlayer^player.swf"
Extended full version but still not high def.
http://youtu.be/pCtvg6rUWyw (http://youtu.be/pCtvg6rUWyw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HHcHYisZFLU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HHcHYisZFLU#)!
Full trailer in HD...loooks great!!!!!!!
Looks just so darn good. The whole look, design, feel is so Ridley and so Alien-esque. Can't wait!!!
I really want this to be successful. I feel like sci-fi is slowly going away, as far as mainstream Hollywood is concerned. Looks like it could possibly move the genre forward a bit...it IS Ridley Scott working in the universe he helped craft.
I saw a xenoprorph!!!!
Where? I didn't see it...
1:37 maybe....
Tell you what. That repeated squeal sound effect used towards the end is so effective!!
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on March 18, 2012, 09:49:03 AM
1:37 maybe....
Tell you what. That repeated squeal sound effect used towards the end is so effective!!
I don't know what that is but it doesn't realy have the right head....and the squeal sound realy is cool.
Quote from: Chris-El on March 18, 2012, 11:08:47 AM
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on March 18, 2012, 09:49:03 AM
1:37 maybe....
Tell you what. That repeated squeal sound effect used towards the end is so effective!!
I don't know what that is but it doesn't realy have the right head....and the squeal sound realy is cool.
Here, look again...It appears to be a wall relief, not and actual living ALIEN, but still cool. Here's a link to a gallery of all the images from the trailer:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19949348/Phase%20Pistol%27s%20Prometheus%20Trailer%202%20Framegrab%20gallery/index.html (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19949348/Phase%20Pistol%27s%20Prometheus%20Trailer%202%20Framegrab%20gallery/index.html)
The UK trailer has a different feel to it with that squeal not as effective....and is that a face hugger?
Prometheus International Trailer - UK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jRaa4Wkbk#ws)
Do you mean this?
Possibly....there is a whip of a tail too. Although it looks more translucent than the facehugger we know.
Man, this looks GOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!
Nice group of pics here: http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170209-big-gallery-update-for-ridley-scotts-prometheus (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170209-big-gallery-update-for-ridley-scotts-prometheus)
We live in a great time, don't we? :)
Happy Birthday David (Prometheus Viral) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOOJl5lWNfM#ws)
Very cool "viral" video of David, the robot from Prometheus being born. Kinda creepy. Very cool.
I know, isn't that awesome?
Certainly gives a taste of some of the aesthetic and tone we can look forward to.
Some more fun stuff from your friends at Weyland Industries.
http://weylandinvestors.tumblr.com// (http://weylandinvestors.tumblr.com//)
LOL! Language but really funny!
http://youtu.be/-actfHuhfN0 (http://youtu.be/-actfHuhfN0)
More serious and very interesting. No spoilers.
http://www.youtube.com/nerdist (http://www.youtube.com/nerdist)
Cool stuff. I could listen to him talk about movie making all day. And, Blade Runner?? Yesss.
Oh my...
http://youtu.be/JXXD34mxGM0 (http://youtu.be/JXXD34mxGM0)
Better and better......... :jawdrop :jawdrop
Nice Bryan. :)
I'll see your clip, and raise you this:
Prometheus - Creations Featurette (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wx3wbKEUwI#ws)
This is a great year for Science Fiction!
Some great new images at the link below:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=90103 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=90103)
Rico... thanks for the link ... cool still's, i am very excited to see this movie!
Marko
A few more images here:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=90163 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=90163)
Avengers..shemgers, whatever, it's time for more Prometheus goodness!!
http://youtu.be/b0KdRc7jBgY (http://youtu.be/b0KdRc7jBgY)
I'm so ready...this has been my most anticipated movie of the summer and I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Quote from: Chris-El on May 14, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
I'm so ready...this has been my most anticipated movie of the summer and I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Me too!
I'm ready. Man, this is going to be a great summer!
Quote from: Darmok on May 15, 2012, 08:39:57 AM
I'm ready. Man, this is going to be a great summer!
Amen.
New commercial spot really plays up the horror element!
Www.PrometheusForum.net - Video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8509167/)
OK, crack in the love for this movie. Who the hell approved this crappy looking cheap B-movie, Michael Bay P.O.S., poster????
That's the studio marketing department, not Ridley Scott. We can still hold out great hope for the movie. :)
Yeah. Blech poster. The marketing department is also responsible for trailers, I think. I can't imagine directors are too thrilled when really coool scenes are given away in trailers
Keep in mind, that's the international poster - not the main poster for the US release.
I actually like it. It has a lot of reveals there
Quote from: Rico on May 19, 2012, 05:03:31 PM
Keep in mind, that's the international poster - not the main poster for the US release.
Yeah but it still is low rent.
http://www.slashgear.com/prometheus-red-carpet-rolls-out-in-london-join-us-today-31231066/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+slashgear+%28SlashGear%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher (http://www.slashgear.com/prometheus-red-carpet-rolls-out-in-london-join-us-today-31231066/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+slashgear+%28SlashGear%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher)
I saw the film this afternoon and I left the cinema in two minds about the film, as I wasn't sure if I and enjoyed it or not! It wasn't what I expected, but I think I sort of enjoyed it... :-\
Quote from: bevs_plaything on June 04, 2012, 02:56:44 PM
I saw the film this afternoon and I left the cinema in two minds about the film, as I wasn't sure if I and enjoyed it or not! It wasn't what I expected, but I think I sort of enjoyed it... :-\
Yes, reviews from people in the UK and France over on the RPF have been kind of negative but I am still optimistic. Why don't you do a review and put it within the Spoiler tags, I would like to hear your thoughts.
See, this is why these staggered release dates suck, there's tons of reviews out harshing my mellow on this film!
Yes, as this is releasing earlier overseas, be extra careful about spoilers for the next several days please. Thanks in advance!
Oh, no one here has said a peep but they are raging over on the RPF!
Quote from: Bryancd on June 04, 2012, 03:10:46 PM
Oh, no one here has said a peep but they are raging over on the RPF!
Yep - I understand that. Just my little pre-warning. And I haven't read any of it on the RPF. I want to go and make up my own mind anyway - like I always say people should do.
It's at 81% at Rotten Tomatoes, so the critical reaction is pretty good.
Just seen it, have some issues, looking forward to openly talking about it when we can. :D
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on June 05, 2012, 01:20:19 PM
Just seen it, have some issues, looking forward to openly talking about it when we can. :D
That's why we have Spoiler tags!
That is true so here goes (I will talk about film here so don't open if don't want to know about the film)
[spoiler] Right so went and saw it yesterday with my mate Ray. Kell had seen it in 3D two days before and gave that a thumbs down so I managed to see it in 2D (according to the cinema assistant all 2D showings were selling out 3D no where near which is becoming the norm here in the UK). Now as I saw it in 2D I can see where the 3D bits would come into show and you know what (easy Bry) I honestly think those sections would work. I'm sure the scene in which David watched the journey planner and all the worlds floating about would look awesome in 3D.
Anyway bar that usual debate on 3D which no one will ever agree on be ayse it's personal choice lets crack on with the review. The opening scene of the alien on a planet (this is Earth but honestly you wouldn't know) is amazing, great effect of his ship leaving him, the disintegration of DNA wonderful and all this to spark life in our waters. Then it jumps into our future only 70 odd years and I notice Berghaus is still in fashion, some archeology stuff. Nice nod to Dr Who here as Ridley is a huge fan, Dr Elizabeth Shaw was the third Doctors assistant. They find some cave paintings that match others and this is a sign they want us to find them. Frankly they're idiots because even I could tell it meant invasion but hey ho. Jump ahead another four years we're on the ship, great looking ship called Prometheus. David (you know where that nod comes from) is wandering around looking cool in his TH Lawrence hair style. Fassbender is the star of this film and David is modelled on the bods from Bladerunner) Vickers awakes from her two year snooze and she's a right bitch (though honestly I don't believe her portrayal and that's just because it's Charlize Theron, she originally wanted the role of Shaw but was delayed in another project).
They seek out the planet the aliens (known as engineers) and head down. The exploration scenes are excellent. Very claustrophobic, some classic characters all wonderfully played and yes all the way through you are one step ahead of all of them which can be a bit annoying in a good cinematic way. David is on a different mission being all sneaky which is what keeps you engrossed. The film dips a little in the middle and this where the tight thread unravels into a bit of a cliche mess. The return of Wayland played well by Guy Pirece made me just shake my head at his plan of wanting eternal life (well to live longer but really??). Shaws companion getting affected by having his drink contaminated was very well done (eyes!!!!) Davids almost child like facial acting is awesome especially when he is up to no good (by orders).
Towards the end the pace picks up and the reveal of the living engineer Is great, now although this is in a spoiler tag I'm not going to go into all the detail but what I will say if something is crashing behind you and it's bloody round don't run in a straight line, idiots you run to the right or left out if it's way...arghhhhhh. It's left sooo open for other films is obvious this is intended for follow ups and I hope there are. Is it as a good as Alien? No. Is it a classic Scott film? No, is it worth seeing more than once Yes. It's a very good film, it's great sci fi but I spent an hour in the diner bar afterwards with Ray saying why this? Why that? This didn't work? Are they dreaming? How cool is Fassbender.
I really want to read a full review from Bry and Al as I'm sure they will have a better Alien take on the film and even pick out more details. The actual engineer interior ship is classic H.R Giger and when you see the huge alien wall mount you can't help but get excited.
Final thoughts it's well worth seeing, it's a dark film so I'd suggest 2D but I can see the 3D working for maybe two scenes. Fassbender steals the show, some great jump in your seat moments and Alien acid is still scary. 7.5 out of 10. I would see it again.
M [/spoiler]
Apologies for any spelling, that review was wrote on my phone lol :)
That was terrific Meds, thanks for that! I am going with a local friend Friday at 1:00pm...2D at his request. :) I will go catch it in 3D for my second watch. Everyting you said is similar to other reviews I have read so far.
Thanks Bry :) I've just had a 35 minute chat over the phone with kell, he saw it Saturday and questions and queries are still going on which for me shows this film is one to be thought about. Ideal. He went 3D and ended up taking the glasses off only because it's so dark he couldn't see the picture.
I'm now thinking its pretty clear that [spoiler]This is the first of two or maybe even three films leading up to the begining of Alien. [/spoiler]
Bry, really looking forward to your review and please, please do a podcast for Rico about it. :)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on June 06, 2012, 09:53:54 AM
Thanks Bry :) I've just had a 35 minute chat over the phone with kell, he saw it Saturday and questions and queries are still going on which for me shows this film is one to be thought about. Ideal. He went 3D and ended up taking the glasses off only because it's so dark he couldn't see the picture.
I'm now thinking its pretty clear that [spoiler]This is the first of two or maybe even three films leading up to the begining of Alien. [/spoiler]
Bry, really looking forward to your review and please, please do a podcast for Rico about it. :)
A comment from the writer Lindenhof that sheds some light on what you just asked, Meds.
[spoiler]"While excited about his collaboration with director Ridley Scott who makes his triumphant return to both sci-fi and the world of Alien, Damon Lindelof doesn't want to count his xenomorphs before they're hatched. The writer, who worked closely with Scott on the script, wanted to make sure that the story presented in Prometheus answers enough of the questions brought up in the new film while also leaving the possibility for a sequel.
"Ridley was very interested in talking about, 'What are the answers to the questions that Prometheus is posing that are not necessarily definitively spelled out in the body of Prometheus?'" the Lost co-creator told The Hollywood Reporter. "I said to him, we should be prepared for people to feel frustrated if we're going to be withholding, so we have to be very careful about what we're saving for later," he continues. "Because it's not a foregone conclusion that there are going to be sequels, and so if there isn't a sequel, just be comfortable with what we gave them in this movie."
Lindelof pointed out that the film will serve as the father of two sequels; one of them is obviously the already-existing Alien, but the other, at one point referred to as Paradise, would flow more directly from this film. "The audience is given a little more information than the characters in the movie have," he said. "And it's our hope that fires the imagination up enough for them to say, 'I might want to see Prometheus again' or 'I definitely want to see where this movie takes me.' Because this movie has two children: One of these children grows up to be Alien, but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that's what the sequel to Prometheus would be."[spoiler]
Oh that says a lot, thanks Bry.
[spoiler]'What are the answers to the questions that Prometheus is posing that are not necessarily definitively spelled out in the body of Prometheus?'" the Lost co-creator told The Hollywood Reporter. "I said to him, we should be prepared for people to feel frustrated if we're going to be withholding, so we have to be very careful about what we're saving for later" [/spoiler]
I found this part of your quote very funny, Bryan. If anyone knows about the pitfalls of angering fans of a franchise it's Lindelhof! Sounds like he learned his lessons well.
Quote from: Jobydrone on June 07, 2012, 06:35:45 AM
[spoiler]‘What are the answers to the questions that Prometheus is posing that are not necessarily definitively spelled out in the body of Prometheus?’” the Lost co-creator told The Hollywood Reporter. “I said to him, we should be prepared for people to feel frustrated if we’re going to be withholding, so we have to be very careful about what we’re saving for later” [/spoiler]
I found this part of your quote very funny, Bryan. If anyone knows about the pitfalls of angering fans of a franchise it's Lindelhof! Sounds like he learned his lessons well.
I hope...but I am concerned by what I am hearing he hasn't. I had no idea so many people dislike him so much. I never got into LOST, so that was all lost one me. :)
4 star review from Roger Ebert posted today! It's pretty unusual for him to give such praise to a genre film...other than Dark City I can't think of too many other Sci Fi flicks he's liked quite so much.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120606/REVIEWS/120609989 (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120606/REVIEWS/120609989)
That is very good. He is very influential and I want this movie to make BANK!
I agree pretty much with that review (which if i'm honest may just as well be titles 'This is the film' lol. The only thing i will disagree with is [spoiler]his comments about Vickers. i don't find her a strong character, yes she's a ball buster and a bitch but that doesn't make you a strong character, you need more than just harsh looks and a shitty attitude. [/spoiler]
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on June 07, 2012, 11:51:44 AM
I agree pretty much with that review (which if i'm honest may just as well be titles 'This is the film' lol. The only thing i will disagree with is [spoiler]his comments about Vickers. i don't find her a strong character, yes she's a ball buster and a bitch but that doesn't make you a strong character, you need more than just harsh looks and a shitty attitude. [/spoiler]
Yeah, we may need to put his review in a Spoiler tag!
Yeah seriously its a full on description of the film, i was a bit shocked how detailed that is.
...I have no idea, but this is funny as hell. No spoilers but NOT SAFE FOR WORK! LANGUAGE on the loose!
http://www.ngtv.com/video/prometheus-uncensored-with-charlize-theron-michael-fassbender-ridley-scott-1678828383001/ (http://www.ngtv.com/video/prometheus-uncensored-with-charlize-theron-michael-fassbender-ridley-scott-1678828383001/)
Bryan....... love it ha
So many things to say...so I think I will save them for the "Al and Bryan ALIEN Retrospective" show!. Bottom line, I am with Meds on his review, which no one is reading yet, but I think I liked it even more. I will rate this one an A-. GO SEE THIS MOVIE.
And as far as a movie going experience, for me this blows Avengers away.
My son Andrew and I went and saw Prometheus today. 3D was the first showing so that is what we ended up in. I was pretty pleased with it. What a cool sci fi film.
[spoiler]I didn't really know what to expect going in, other than I really liked the trailers that I had seen at MIB3 and here on the forum. I thought the 3d was pretty good, just not a lot of it, or if there was, I didn't notice. I don't think it's a must to see the movie. Ok, now, I thought it was pretty gory, but I guess that is what Alien movies are... I LOVED the whole origin angle of things. Being a fan of the other movies and the Alien universe, it was down right cool to see where everything started. The attitude throughout the movie was classic, with a lot of angst. I have to admit that some of the lines were a bit contrived and obvious. One of the workers told another member of the crew that he didn't want to be his friend that he was only here for the money. Yet not to much later they are buds stuck together on a crazy adventure. I don't know, they tried to hard to me. I loved the show as a horror sci fi flick, but one thing stuck out to me. When the Prometheus lands on the planet it isn't 10 minutes and a whole crew is traveling to the big structure they see in front of them. REALLY? If you came all that way and you just landed, don't you think you might send out a probe droid, or at least take some readings and do some research so you don't walk into a blood bath? Yeah, that was downright ubelievable and stupid. Of course it's a two hour movie so I guess it would be silly to check things out before you put the whole crew at risk and P*SS off, revive and challenge an Alien race.
The sets were simply awesome from the Prometheus to the alien ship, all amazing. Visually stunning!
The music was very Star Trekish, yeah, even had part of the theme in it, so I liked it alot too. I have to say I almost got sick to my stomach during the surgery scene... but you would all be proud of me... I kept my eyes open. ewwwwww. CRAZY! Oh, side note, why would an automatic surgery unit in the quarters of a women be only programmed for a man? Huh? Was it for the old guy? I don't know. Didn't make much sense but I could have missed something.
Overall the movie rocked and I can't wait to see it again! Rocking! [/spoiler]
I saw it before work today. I thought it was really good. My wife didn't enjoy it. Great movie!
Just got back from the movie and enjoyed it. I plan on speaking a little about on the podcast tomorrow but that I plan to try and keep spoiler free as much as I can since it just came out. More below...
[spoiler]First, it's an amazingly produced film and I passed on the 3D (of course). They certainly spared no expense on anything. Overall, it had that "Alien" vibe going for it which was fun to see once again on the big screen. I'm still digesting the film but some overall first thoughts - I'll start with the positives... The overall idea and story I liked (but of course has been done in various ways before). This idea of aliens starting life on Earth. I found the actors all very good - especially Fassbender and Noomi Rapace as Shaw (very Ripley like). Charlize was pretty good too I thought in a tough role. The ship was fantastic! And I thought the movie was paced pretty well. Action was tense and well done with some great effects.
Ok - on to some of my negatives... The movie felt a little cold in way. I wanted to know some of the characters more and their relationships. I also found myself kind of waiting for all the "alien-related" stuff to show up. Script could have been tighter but overall not too bad.
My overall feelings is it's a solid movie. Certainly not a rip-roaring fun movie like "The Avengers" is, but a cool Ridley Scott Sci-Fi film to add to the Blu-Ray library in the future. Anyway, overall definitely worth seeing in the theaters.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on June 09, 2012, 12:49:42 PM
Just got back from the movie and enjoyed it. I plan on speaking a little about on the podcast tomorrow but that I plan to try and keep spoiler free as much as I can since it just came out. More below...
[spoiler]First, it's an amazingly produced film and I passed on the 3D (of course). They certainly spared no expense on anything. Overall, it had that "Alien" vibe going for it which was fun to see once again on the big screen. I'm still digesting the film but some overall first thoughts - I'll start with the positives... The overall idea and story I liked (but of course has been done in various ways before). This idea of aliens starting life on Earth. I found the actors all very good - especially Fassbender and Noomi Rapace as Shaw (very Ripley like). Charlize was pretty good too I thought in a tough role. The ship was fantastic! And I thought the movie was paced pretty well. Action was tense and well done with some great effects.
Ok - on to some of my negatives... The movie felt a little cold in way. I wanted to know some of the characters more and their relationships. I also found myself kind of waiting for all the "alien-related" stuff to show up. Script could have been tighter but overall not too bad.
My overall feelings is it's a solid movie. Certainly not a rip-roaring fun movie like "The Avengers" is, but a cool Ridley Scott Sci-Fi film to add to the Blu-Ray library in the future. Anyway, overall definitely worth seeing in the theaters.[/spoiler]
For someone like me who is such a MASSIVE fan of the franchise, the single best decision I made prior to seeing this was to spoil myself rotten on it's content. It allowed me to quickly move past some of the issue's you correctly point out, especially when it came to it's connections to the original ALIEN.
I got back from the movie and I enjoyed it
[spoiler]At the end, I was very happy with the pacing of the movie, and it left me plenty to think about. My wife, my friend and I discussed on the way home about some of the questions, and it is not often we do that. I was expecting a bit more action, but in the end I am happy with how this movie went, as even though I love a lot of action, it is so rare you get a sci-fi movie these days that is not pumped full of action. I could never really get an real good understanding of the first scene, and the alien ingesting the stuff and dieing. Maybe I missed something, or that is something that might be further explained in a future movie.
I found the Android David very creepy, very well acted. I was not all that Disappointed that Holloway got infected and died, as I thought he was a bit of a Jerk. Maybe it was something I missed again, but his character sort of changed, as he was so eager to get to the planet, but after they returned after their first trip out, he just seemed consumed with drinking, and looked to be in a bit of a funk.
They really setup for a sequel, and I have to say, I really hope they make it, as I don't think I would be happy with just this movie, as for the questions it answered, it brought up a bunch more.[/spoiler]
Quote from: jedijeff on June 09, 2012, 03:42:54 PM
I got back from the movie and I enjoyed it
[spoiler]At the end, I was very happy with the pacing of the movie, and it left me plenty to think about. My wife, my friend and I discussed on the way home about some of the questions, and it is not often we do that. I was expecting a bit more action, but in the end I am happy with how this movie went, as even though I love a lot of action, it is so rare you get a sci-fi movie these days that is not pumped full of action. I could never really get an real good understanding of the first scene, and the alien ingesting the stuff and dieing. Maybe I missed something, or that is something that might be further explained in a future movie.
I found the Android David very creepy, very well acted. I was not all that Disappointed that Holloway got infected and died, as I thought he was a bit of a Jerk. Maybe it was something I missed again, but his character sort of changed, as he was so eager to get to the planet, but after they returned after their first trip out, he just seemed consumed with drinking, and looked to be in a bit of a funk.
They really setup for a sequel, and I have to say, I really hope they make it, as I don't think I would be happy with just this movie, as for the questions it answered, it brought up a bunch more.[/spoiler]
I can respond to some of that, Jeff..
[spoiler]The first scene was primordial Earth and the Engineer was sacrificing himself to seed Earth with his DNA and the creation of life. I agree 100% about the Holloway character, his dissapointment over not being able to speak with the Engineers seemed way over the top considering they just fraction' discovered an alien culture! He's supposed to be a thoughtful scientist but comes across as a petualnt brat in that scene. [/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on June 09, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: jedijeff on June 09, 2012, 03:42:54 PM
I got back from the movie and I enjoyed it
[spoiler]At the end, I was very happy with the pacing of the movie, and it left me plenty to think about. My wife, my friend and I discussed on the way home about some of the questions, and it is not often we do that. I was expecting a bit more action, but in the end I am happy with how this movie went, as even though I love a lot of action, it is so rare you get a sci-fi movie these days that is not pumped full of action. I could never really get an real good understanding of the first scene, and the alien ingesting the stuff and dieing. Maybe I missed something, or that is something that might be further explained in a future movie.
I found the Android David very creepy, very well acted. I was not all that Disappointed that Holloway got infected and died, as I thought he was a bit of a Jerk. Maybe it was something I missed again, but his character sort of changed, as he was so eager to get to the planet, but after they returned after their first trip out, he just seemed consumed with drinking, and looked to be in a bit of a funk.
They really setup for a sequel, and I have to say, I really hope they make it, as I don't think I would be happy with just this movie, as for the questions it answered, it brought up a bunch more.[/spoiler]
I can respond to some of that, Jeff..
[spoiler]The first scene was primordial Earth and the Engineer was sacrificing himself to seed Earth with his DNA and the creation of life. I agree 100% about the Holloway character, his dissapointment over not being able to speak with the Engineers seemed way over the top considering they just fraction' discovered an alien culture! He's supposed to be a thoughtful scientist but comes across as a petualnt brat in that scene. [/spoiler]
Thanks Bryan, that makes sense and now I understand that scene :)
Quote from: jedijeff on June 09, 2012, 03:54:04 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 09, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: jedijeff on June 09, 2012, 03:42:54 PM
I got back from the movie and I enjoyed it
[spoiler]At the end, I was very happy with the pacing of the movie, and it left me plenty to think about. My wife, my friend and I discussed on the way home about some of the questions, and it is not often we do that. I was expecting a bit more action, but in the end I am happy with how this movie went, as even though I love a lot of action, it is so rare you get a sci-fi movie these days that is not pumped full of action. I could never really get an real good understanding of the first scene, and the alien ingesting the stuff and dieing. Maybe I missed something, or that is something that might be further explained in a future movie.
I found the Android David very creepy, very well acted. I was not all that Disappointed that Holloway got infected and died, as I thought he was a bit of a Jerk. Maybe it was something I missed again, but his character sort of changed, as he was so eager to get to the planet, but after they returned after their first trip out, he just seemed consumed with drinking, and looked to be in a bit of a funk.
They really setup for a sequel, and I have to say, I really hope they make it, as I don't think I would be happy with just this movie, as for the questions it answered, it brought up a bunch more.[/spoiler]
I can respond to some of that, Jeff..
[spoiler]The first scene was primordial Earth and the Engineer was sacrificing himself to seed Earth with his DNA and the creation of life. I agree 100% about the Holloway character, his dissapointment over not being able to speak with the Engineers seemed way over the top considering they just fraction' discovered an alien culture! He's supposed to be a thoughtful scientist but comes across as a petualnt brat in that scene. [/spoiler]
Thanks Bryan, that makes sense and now I understand that scene :)
And it makes the entire plot more interesting!
Hmmm....
[spoiler]The alien on Earth at the start didn't seem to be intentionally sacrificing himself. I got the impression he was tricked. He reacted very surprised when his body started to get consumed after he drank that stuff - whatever that was. I got the idea it was some kind of ceremony and he was sacrificed by others. He just didn't seem to expect what happened to him.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on June 09, 2012, 03:59:09 PM
Hmmm....
[spoiler]The alien on Earth at the start didn't seem to be intentionally sacrificing himself. I got the impression he was tricked. He reacted very surprised when his body started to get consumed after he drank that stuff - whatever that was. I got the idea it was some kind of ceremony and he was sacrificed by others. He just didn't seem to expect what happened to him.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]From what I have read he either was self sacrificing or was being punished/executed. Either way it seems he was aware of what would happen when he consumed that goo and that makes sense as the Engineer's are the arcitects of this kind of terra forming. I think it plays better that he was there to seed the Earth with life intentionally, thus giving them a reason to be interested in us, even if to kill us all. Curious timing of 2000 years ago they hatched the plan to come back and wipe us out, coincides with the rise of Christianity. Perhaps they felt forsaken? Either way, they would only care if they had come and intentionally created us. [spoiler]
Interesting analysis supporting what I said above..SPOILERS within.
http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/)
My comments and thoughts are based on my impressions from the film itself. I find it interesting that you should have to read reddit or other sources to explain a movie. Of course, that's Ridley for you. :)
Going to see this on Monday night. At any rate it looks thought provoking - which I like.
Quote from: Rico on June 10, 2012, 04:48:30 AM
My comments and thoughts are based on my impressions from the film itself. I find it interesting that you should have to read reddit or other sources to explain a movie. Of course, that's Ridley for you. :)
Um, yeah. Dude, I still don't understand what the hell is going on in BLADE RUNNER... :)
Quote from: Bryancd on June 10, 2012, 05:41:24 AM
Quote from: Rico on June 10, 2012, 04:48:30 AM
My comments and thoughts are based on my impressions from the film itself. I find it interesting that you should have to read reddit or other sources to explain a movie. Of course, that's Ridley for you. :)
Um, yeah. Dude, I still don't understand what the hell is going on in BLADE RUNNER... :)
I don't think Ridley knows either! LOL!!! :roflmao
Interesting Article with Damon Lindelof
http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/ (http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/)
[spoiler]I have to say, this movie has got me thinking more and more about some of my questions. I sort of like how it leaves things open for people to draw their own conclusions. I guess with Damon Lindelof, you either love him or you hate him for that. I was thinking about the scene where they were examining the Engineers head, and when they brought him back to live, I thought either it was a reaction to what they shot into him, or he was infested with something. But now I am thinking maybe seeing the Humans and discovering the mission to take out Earth was a failure, maybe he forced himself to explode his head in an attempt to take out the humans in the room. I think I am going to go see this movie again, as I have a lot of thoughts on it, and want to run it through my head.[/spoiler]
Quote from: jedijeff on June 10, 2012, 06:32:16 AM
Interesting Article with Damon Lindelof
http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/ (http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/)
[spoiler]I have to say, this movie has got me thinking more and more about some of my questions. I sort of like how it leaves things open for people to draw their own conclusions. I guess with Damon Lindelof, you either love him or you hate him for that. I was thinking about the scene where they were examining the Engineers head, and when they brought him back to live, I thought either it was a reaction to what they shot into him, or he was infested with something. But now I am thinking maybe seeing the Humans and discovering the mission to take out Earth was a failure, maybe he forced himself to explode his head in an attempt to take out the humans in the room. I think I am going to go see this movie again, as I have a lot of thoughts on it, and want to run it through my head.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think he had been infected with the black goo and was going to breakdown similar to the scene at the opening of the film on Earth. The black goo has the power of creation but it does so through destruction. When they reanimated the head, the infection was able to continue it's course of destruction. I was also thinking about the scene where they wake up the Engineer in stairs. When the Engineer wakes up he doesn't seem very put off by the presence of the humans around him. When David speaks to him, and it would be fascinating to know what he said, the Engineer places a hand on Davids head in an almost paternal way. Then he realizes David is a synthetic creation and he goes nuts. We created an abomination of life and he is going to make us pay.[spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on June 10, 2012, 08:26:25 AM
Quote from: jedijeff on June 10, 2012, 06:32:16 AM
Interesting Article with Damon Lindelof
http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/ (http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/)
[spoiler]I have to say, this movie has got me thinking more and more about some of my questions. I sort of like how it leaves things open for people to draw their own conclusions. I guess with Damon Lindelof, you either love him or you hate him for that. I was thinking about the scene where they were examining the Engineers head, and when they brought him back to live, I thought either it was a reaction to what they shot into him, or he was infested with something. But now I am thinking maybe seeing the Humans and discovering the mission to take out Earth was a failure, maybe he forced himself to explode his head in an attempt to take out the humans in the room. I think I am going to go see this movie again, as I have a lot of thoughts on it, and want to run it through my head.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think he had been infected with the black goo and was going to breakdown similar to the scene at the opening of the film on Earth. The black goo has the power of creation but it does so through destruction. When they reanimated the head, the infection was able to continue it's course of destruction. I was also thinking about the scene where they wake up the Engineer in stairs. When the Engineer wakes up he doesn't seem very put off by the presence of the humans around him. When David speaks to him, and it would be fascinating to know what he said, the Engineer places a hand on Davids head in an almost paternal way. Then he realizes David is a synthetic creation and he goes nuts. We created an abomination of life and he is going to make us pay.[spoiler]
Yeah, Bryan, that's what I thought. He was all cool until [spoiler]David spoke in his own language, probably somehow mentioning his origins or the Engineer knew intrinsically he was a synthetic. Still, they were off to destroy life on Earth anyway, so they must have been pissed at us for something we did 2000 years ago?[/spoiler]
Anyway, after reflection, great movie. Doesn't assume the audience are a bunch of dummies who can't work stuff out. I have been craving a movie like this for a LONG time.
Quote from: Chris-El on June 11, 2012, 03:16:51 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 10, 2012, 08:26:25 AM
Quote from: jedijeff on June 10, 2012, 06:32:16 AM
Interesting Article with Damon Lindelof
http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/ (http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/)
[spoiler]I have to say, this movie has got me thinking more and more about some of my questions. I sort of like how it leaves things open for people to draw their own conclusions. I guess with Damon Lindelof, you either love him or you hate him for that. I was thinking about the scene where they were examining the Engineers head, and when they brought him back to live, I thought either it was a reaction to what they shot into him, or he was infested with something. But now I am thinking maybe seeing the Humans and discovering the mission to take out Earth was a failure, maybe he forced himself to explode his head in an attempt to take out the humans in the room. I think I am going to go see this movie again, as I have a lot of thoughts on it, and want to run it through my head.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think he had been infected with the black goo and was going to breakdown similar to the scene at the opening of the film on Earth. The black goo has the power of creation but it does so through destruction. When they reanimated the head, the infection was able to continue it's course of destruction. I was also thinking about the scene where they wake up the Engineer in stairs. When the Engineer wakes up he doesn't seem very put off by the presence of the humans around him. When David speaks to him, and it would be fascinating to know what he said, the Engineer places a hand on Davids head in an almost paternal way. Then he realizes David is a synthetic creation and he goes nuts. We created an abomination of life and he is going to make us pay.[spoiler]
Yeah, Bryan, that's what I thought. He was all cool until [spoiler]David spoke in his own language, probably somehow mentioning his origins or the Engineer knew intrinsically he was a synthetic. Still, they were off to destroy life on Earth anyway, so they must have been pissed at us for something we did 2000 years ago?[/spoiler]
Anyway, after reflection, great movie. Doesn't assume the audience are a bunch of dummies who can't work stuff out. I have been craving a movie like this for a LONG time.
SO glad you liked it as well, Chris!
[spoiler]The birth of Christianity. We had forsaken them. [/spoiler]
OR Via Sir Ridley: [spoiler]Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?
Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an "our children are misbehaving down there" scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Chris-El on June 11, 2012, 03:23:32 PM
OR Via Sir Ridley: [spoiler]Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?
Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an "our children are misbehaving down there" scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.[/spoiler]
Whew...we dodged a bullett on that one. :)
Yes indeed! I'm gonna go again this weekend, maybe trying out 3d. I need to reflect and also pay some more attention. Plus we have to support when true sci-fi movies are in theaters! So there will be a Prometheus 2:Electric Boogaloo.
Quote from: Chris-El on June 11, 2012, 03:26:28 PM
Yes indeed! I'm gonna go again this weekend, maybe trying out 3d. I need to reflect and also pay some more attention. Plus we have to support when true sci-fi movies are in theaters! So there will be a Prometheus 2:Electric Boogaloo.
I am hitting a 3D show tomorrow!
Cool. I'll be out there on the red eye!
And let's talk sequels to the prequel! :) Spoilers in the link, so don't click if you don't know!
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=25128&count=0 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=25128&count=0)
Thats great, I hope it happens, and sounds like it does, they will not waste time
Quote from: jedijeff on June 12, 2012, 07:30:07 AM
Thats great, I hope it happens, and sounds like it does, they will not waste time
I am of the opinion that Sir Ridely made a deal with Fox at the start where he wpuld deliver a more direct ALIEN prequel only after they let him do a prologue film exploring what we saw in Prometheus. Now he can go down two different roads in the next film or maybe two films. So he get's his pet project funded and Fox and fans will get their xenomporphs and chest bursters.
Saw it again in 3D last nigt. 3D was very good, certainly added a great deal of perpsective to a lot of the images and I very much enjoyed it. Having said that, it's relatively minor and if you are not a 3D fan or don't want to spend the $, you are not missing anyting. Movie is even better the 2nd time!
Bry, download a podcast called Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo's film review on itunes. The first of June episode has a great interview with Ridley on it.
Will do, cheers Meds!
I saw this today - in Imax 3D - while I was visually blown away - I was frustrated by the story. I long for a good, hard Sci-Fi story but didn't get it here. That being said, I enjoyed the experience - and I am glad I went to see it.
Now to some criticisms:
[spoiler]I found it had to believe that scientists would take their helmets off in the alien structure, and then prattle about quarantines, etc. My biggest criticism is where I cannot suspend my disbelief - In the board room meetings setting out this mission, do they purposefully try to not include scientists or stable personalities? "This is going to be the biggest discovery in human history, so let's send the bar-code tattooed punk rocker with an attitude to make first contact" :) I know - I am nitpicking. This is one of the reasons I love Trek - they usually have a 'high-road' crew.
I also think that some holes in the story could be patched with an extended edition. Why was the old man hiding his presence - he runs the corporation financing the whole show? Why was his daughter there? The possibility for a sequel looks interesting.[/spoiler]
Charlize Theron was there to be hot and awesome... ;)
Quote from: Chris-El on June 14, 2012, 04:29:16 PM
Charlize Theron was there to be hot and awesome... ;)
Mind you...I am not complaining... :)
Quote from: Bromptonboy on June 14, 2012, 04:12:24 PM
I saw this today - in Imax 3D - while I was visually blown away - I was frustrated by the story. I long for a good, hard Sci-Fi story but didn't get it here. That being said, I enjoyed the experience - and I am glad I went to see it.
Now to some criticisms:
[spoiler]I found it had to believe that scientists would take their helmets off in the alien structure, and then prattle about quarantines, etc. My biggest criticism is where I cannot suspend my disbelief - In the board room meetings setting out this mission, do they purposefully try to not include scientists or stable personalities? "This is going to be the biggest discovery in human history, so let's send the bar-code tattooed punk rocker with an attitude to make first contact" :) I know - I am nitpicking. This is one of the reasons I love Trek - they usually have a 'high-road' crew.
I also think that some holes in the story could be patched with an extended edition. Why was the old man hiding his presence - he runs the corporation financing the whole show? Why was his daughter there? The possibility for a sequel looks interesting.[/spoiler]
Totally spot on. That's one of the films biggest issues, poorly written secondary characters. I'm trying not to say too much in this thread, even in spoiler tags, so i can save it for a roundtable discussion podcast with Al once he see's it and we can record a show.
Yes, as has been my problem with the Alien franchise since Aliens...the characters other than Ripley are there to die, that's about it. Alien Resurrection made a try at having interesting secondary characters but they aren't very memorable. I'll say that David, Shaw, Vickers and the Captain are all pretty interesting characters...outside of them, not so much.
Doesn't matter of course, because the overarching story was pretty damn fascinating.
Quote from: Chris-El on June 14, 2012, 04:49:22 PM
Yes, as has been my problem with the Alien franchise since Aliens...the characters other than Ripley are there to die, that's about it. Alien Resurrection made a try at having interesting secondary characters but they aren't very memorable. I'll say that David, Shaw, Vickers and the Captain are all pretty interesting characters...outside of them, not so much.
Doesn't matter of course, because the overarching story was pretty damn fascinating.
Indeed....and I call you out in this weeks podcast, hoping you can find it in yourself to extend that character goodwill into Alien3. :)
Yeah, I really wanted to do a comment but I forgot. Stupid work and all. Alien 3 has a great character...bald English guy that gets his head eaten by an Alien...he's got about 13 twins!!! :D
Quote from: Chris-El on June 14, 2012, 04:54:02 PM
Yeah, I really wanted to do a comment but I forgot. Stupid work and all. Alien 3 has a great character...bald English guy that gets his head eaten by an Alien...he's got about 13 twins!!! :D
:roflmao
We address that frequently.
Saw it in 3-D (not by choice really) and was pretty disappointed in Prometheus. Its not that the movie is poorly made or anything, it just never sucked me into its atmosphere, the story was dull and the characters forgettable. The movie felt like it had something more, but just couldn't get rolling to grab the energy it needed to be an engaging movie. It lacked punch and a feeling of rushed disjointedness which was a bit of an odd feeling to get from the movie. Also, it felt bored of itself, which makes me scratch my head. Worst of all, it felt really bland.
What I did like:
[spoiler]Android character was the best character of the bunch and had some interesting things going on. But even then, a bit predictable in some cases.
Great CGI, It was very good to look at.
The creepy vibe I got from watching the holograms of the engineers.
The probes were cool and I liked watching the hologram of them scanning that area.
The idea of the movie. [/spoiler]
Nitpick/spoiler corner:
[spoiler]
Dumb secondary characters, someone already talked about it earlier in this thread, but those guys never should have been on this expedition. I'm not even sure why they were in the movie other than to die. And even so, I wish we had a reason to feel sympathetic, but I never felt like we had any reason to be.
The main character did nothing for me. She was confusing and at times felt like a spoiled brat. The guy? His emotional "depression" came out of left field and was hard to believe. [/spoiler]
Overall, it was a great disappointment to me. Especially after hearing you guys talk about it. I can't recommend this movie, I just left the theater with a very meh feeling afterwards.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on June 15, 2012, 01:22:14 AM
Saw it in 3-D (not by choice really) and was pretty disappointed in Prometheus. Its not that the movie is poorly made or anything, it just never sucked me into its atmosphere, the story was dull and the characters forgettable. The movie felt like it had something more, but just couldn't get rolling to grab the energy it needed to be an engaging movie. It lacked punch and a feeling of rushed disjointedness which was a bit of an odd feeling to get from the movie. Also, it felt bored of itself, which makes me scratch my head. Worst of all, it felt really bland.
What I did like:
[spoiler]Android character was the best character of the bunch and had some interesting things going on. But even then, a bit predictable in some cases.
Great CGI, It was very good to look at.
The creepy vibe I got from watching the holograms of the engineers.
The probes were cool and I liked watching the hologram of them scanning that area.
The idea of the movie. [/spoiler]
Nitpick/spoiler corner:
[spoiler]
Dumb secondary characters, someone already talked about it earlier in this thread, but those guys never should have been on this expedition. I'm not even sure why they were in the movie other than to die. And even so, I wish we had a reason to feel sympathetic, but I never felt like we had any reason to be.
The main character did nothing for me. She was confusing and at times felt like a spoiled brat. The guy? His emotional "depression" came out of left field and was hard to believe. [/spoiler]
Overall, it was a great disappointment to me. Especially after hearing you guys talk about it. I can't recommend this movie, I just left the theater with a very meh feeling afterwards.
King
King, just so you know...
[spoiler]The whole problem with depression is that it comes out of left field. It's never a planned event and can really happen at any time. From your description, seems like they nailed the whole depression thing.[/spoiler]
Again, very valid and fair criticisms, Tim. God I want to discuss this so badly with you guys!!
Ok, here is my tongue-in-cheek imagining of some of the crucial meeting minutes to the committee sending out the Prometheus mission:
[spoiler]"We originally thought to send senior level scientists, with extensive training and xenobiology experience on this critical mission to meet our 'Creators' - and possibly find the answers to the meaning of life.....but we have rethought our position. The current thinking is that we should take a different approach. We feel that a group of 20-something's with no experience or foundations in scientific methods would work out better to represent humanity meeting our creators. Better yet, they should exhibit anti-social behavior, be loners, and not be familiar with the mission background, or their fellow team-mates until 20 minutes before they make first contact - when we will explain all by a confusing hologram video by an old guy who explains very little. Better yet, we will stow him on the ship unbeknownst to all but the androd...oh, and maybe his daughter....who is going along not because of her people skills, but as eye-candy to create further tension.."
[/spoiler]
^LOL!! I thought I read something similar the other day on another forum.
You know...
[spoiler]It really didn't bother me much that most of the crew were basically "redshirts" and seemed to have no real function. I would have liked to know more about them, but the story really just focused on the main scientists and their discovery.
Oh, one little side thing I was maybe going to mention on my mini-review on the last podcast. Those little cave painting star maps somehow led them to this one star system??? I mean - come on! It was a cluster of like 5 stars. Even if you could find the right pattern in the sky (and that I find unlikely knowing something about astronomy), how do you pick just one? Anyway, just little quibble.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on June 15, 2012, 08:40:37 AM
You know...
[spoiler]It really didn't bother me much that most of the crew were basically "redshirts" and seemed to have no real function. I would have liked to know more about them, but the story really just focused on the main scientists and their discovery.
Oh, one little side thing I was maybe going to mention on my mini-review on the last podcast. Those little cave painting star maps somehow led them to this one star system??? I mean - come on! It was a cluster of like 5 stars. Even if you could find the right pattern in the sky (and that I find unlikely knowing something about astronomy), how do you pick just one? Anyway, just little quibble.[/spoiler]
[spoiler] Yes, I don't mind that they are red-shirts - but at least Trek red-shirts are team players and don't do stupid things (beyond signing up as redshirts..). They could have had all the blood and gore they like, I just like things to make sense - like a decent crew that actually fits the enormity of the mission they are undertaking. You are spot on about the star pattern. Which leads me to another quibble of mine: I would have like to have seen better storytelling about the Engineers monitoring and involvement with our civilization through the ages. Maybe some of that will be made apparent in an extended edition - or sequel. How did those star patterns appear in cave paintings? Other than the DNA & Helix going over the waterfall (presumably on Earth) - we see no other interactions. [/spoiler]
Quote from: Bromptonboy on June 15, 2012, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: Rico on June 15, 2012, 08:40:37 AM
You know...
[spoiler]It really didn't bother me much that most of the crew were basically "redshirts" and seemed to have no real function. I would have liked to know more about them, but the story really just focused on the main scientists and their discovery.
Oh, one little side thing I was maybe going to mention on my mini-review on the last podcast. Those little cave painting star maps somehow led them to this one star system??? I mean - come on! It was a cluster of like 5 stars. Even if you could find the right pattern in the sky (and that I find unlikely knowing something about astronomy), how do you pick just one? Anyway, just little quibble.[/spoiler]
[spoiler] Yes, I don't mind that they are red-shirts - but at least Trek red-shirts are team players and don't do stupid things (beyond signing up as redshirts..). They could have had all the blood and gore they like, I just like things to make sense - like a decent crew that actually fits the enormity of the mission they are undertaking. You are spot on about the star pattern. Which leads me to another quibble of mine: I would have like to have seen better storytelling about the Engineers monitoring and involvement with our civilization through the ages. Maybe some of that will be made apparent in an extended edition - or sequel. How did those star patterns appear in cave paintings? Other than the DNA & Helix going over the waterfall (presumably on Earth) - we see no other interactions. [/spoiler]
I believe we are to understand..
[spoiler]Thatthe Engineers had been visiting us over the millenium, ending about 2000 years ago when they decided to eradicate us and restart life on Earth.[/spoiler]
I believe we are to understand..
[spoiler]Thatthe Engineers had been visiting us over the millenium, ending about 2000 years ago when they decided to eradicate us and restart life on Earth.[/spoiler]
Yes but.. :)
[spoiler]I got that, and I got more from the interview you posted in a spoiler link earlier -which I went back and read after seeing the film. This is such cool kernel of an idea that I find so compelling. Which magnifies my dissatisfaction with the implementation. The last time I got my hopes up like this - was with that Ewan Macgregor & Scarlett Johannsen movie 'The Island' - which started out as such a thought-provoking ethic-twisting idea, but degenerated into a overblown chase scene action film for the final part. Ok, gotta bring myself down and stop my 'nerdy ranting'... ;) [/spoiler]
Ok, here is my problem with the guy getting depressed:
[spoiler]We are on the planet for a total of maybe 6 hours and we had only explored one "small" building on what seems to be a giant planet. We can't really claim we've seen everything there is to see and it's quite possible that there are engineers on the other side of the planet. And then he gets all depressed? I mean, it would be like they landed on Earth on one of our islands near the US, it's entirely possible that there are thousands of engineers not 50 miles away from them. Idk, did someone say they scanned the planet and I missed that?
But I'm just saying, he gave out on hope way too quickly for me to buy into it. [/spoiler]
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on June 15, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Ok, here is my problem with the guy getting depressed:
King
I agree:
[spoiler]I really don't see any dramatic reason for his depression. It really ads no tension to the plot. It seems there were plenty of other ships and domes on the planet, so why hope that there are other things to be learned on one of them? Not everyone is as uncompromising in their storytelling as Stanley Kubrick...[/spoiler]
Quote from: Bromptonboy on June 15, 2012, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on June 15, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Ok, here is my problem with the guy getting depressed:
King
I agree:
[spoiler]I really don't see any dramatic reason for his depression. It really ads no tension to the plot. It seems there were plenty of other ships and domes on the planet, so why hope that there are other things to be learned on one of them? Not everyone is as uncompromising in their storytelling as Stanley Kubrick...[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I would say it actually lessens the tension of the entire head autopsy scene. This is an amazing discovery and then the head explodes...and Charlie just sits there drinking and shrugs i off and slinks away.[/spoiler]
And not to be too heavy handed but...
[spoiler]Captain putting up a Christmas tree.
Reference to a defining event 2000 years ago
Weyland having his feet washed
multiple references to a crucifix and faith
A barren woman (virgin) giving birth
The crucified xeno alter piece
The goo serpent that came from the pursuit of forbidden knowledge that attacks Millburn
The Engineer that sacrifices himself for man
[spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on June 15, 2012, 04:59:05 PM
And not to be too heavy handed but...
[spoiler]Captain putting up a Christmas tree.
Reference to a defining event 2000 years ago
Weyland having his feet washed
multiple references to a crucifix and faith
A barren woman (virgin) giving birth
The crucified xeno alter piece
The goo serpent that came from the pursuit of forbidden knowledge that attacks Millburn
The Engineer that sacrifices himself for man
[spoiler]
[spoiler]Hmm....I didn't catch that but your right, that does seem to be the general theme of this movie...ergh....not sure what I should think about it. [/spoiler]
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on June 15, 2012, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 15, 2012, 04:59:05 PM
And not to be too heavy handed but...
[spoiler]Captain putting up a Christmas tree.
Reference to a defining event 2000 years ago
Weyland having his feet washed
multiple references to a crucifix and faith
A barren woman (virgin) giving birth
The crucified xeno alter piece
The goo serpent that came from the pursuit of forbidden knowledge that attacks Millburn
The Engineer that sacrifices himself for man
[spoiler]
[spoiler]Hmm....I didn't catch that but your right, that does seem to be the general theme of this movie...ergh....not sure what I should think about it. [/spoiler]
King
Oh, wait until I get with Al and let loose. This film is LOADED with subtle themes and moments which have been sometimes overshadowed by expectations and some poorly written character moments. That's what makes tis film so compelling. Go see it again with different eyes, Tim.
[spoiler]Think about the religious context and why that motivates the Engineers. Why does the Engineer rip off Davids head after gently touching him? He's artificial, an abomination. Man must be punished because 2000 years ago we have forsake them. And now we have created artificial life when their whole society is based on the create of organic life. There is so much going on here![/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on June 15, 2012, 05:11:31 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on June 15, 2012, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 15, 2012, 04:59:05 PM
And not to be too heavy handed but...
[spoiler]Captain putting up a Christmas tree.
Reference to a defining event 2000 years ago
Weyland having his feet washed
multiple references to a crucifix and faith
A barren woman (virgin) giving birth
The crucified xeno alter piece
The goo serpent that came from the pursuit of forbidden knowledge that attacks Millburn
The Engineer that sacrifices himself for man
[spoiler]
[spoiler]Hmm....I didn't catch that but your right, that does seem to be the general theme of this movie...ergh....not sure what I should think about it. [/spoiler]
King
Oh, wait until I get with Al and let loose. This film is LOADED with subtle themes and moments which have been sometimes overshadowed by expectations and some poorly written character moments.
Yeah, I'll bet you guys will have a lot to talk about. But just knowing what you said, it doesn't make me want to rewatch the film so....yeah.
King
go back an read my spoiler tag.
Some cool spoiler filled pics here:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91563 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91563)
Quote from: Rico on June 15, 2012, 08:40:37 AM
You know...
[spoiler]It really didn't bother me much that most of the crew were basically "redshirts" and seemed to have no real function. I would have liked to know more about them, but the story really just focused on the main scientists and their discovery.
Oh, one little side thing I was maybe going to mention on my mini-review on the last podcast. Those little cave painting star maps somehow led them to this one star system??? I mean - come on! It was a cluster of like 5 stars. Even if you could find the right pattern in the sky (and that I find unlikely knowing something about astronomy), how do you pick just one? Anyway, just little quibble.[/spoiler]
Actually, and this is not a spoiler, there are a very finite number of stars you can see with the naked eye from the surface of Earth. Finding a specific pattern would really not present much of a challenge at all.
Quote from: Rico on June 15, 2012, 06:43:33 PM
Some cool spoiler filled pics here:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91563 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91563)
[spoiler]Cool image which hints at a more religious kind of culture for the Engineers. This clearly was a ritual presided over by an elder. A priest perhaps?[/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on June 15, 2012, 09:07:00 PM
Quote from: Rico on June 15, 2012, 08:40:37 AM
You know...
[spoiler]It really didn't bother me much that most of the crew were basically "redshirts" and seemed to have no real function. I would have liked to know more about them, but the story really just focused on the main scientists and their discovery.
Oh, one little side thing I was maybe going to mention on my mini-review on the last podcast. Those little cave painting star maps somehow led them to this one star system??? I mean - come on! It was a cluster of like 5 stars. Even if you could find the right pattern in the sky (and that I find unlikely knowing something about astronomy), how do you pick just one? Anyway, just little quibble.[/spoiler]
Actually, and this is not a spoiler, there are a very finite number of stars you can see with the naked eye from the surface of Earth. Finding a specific pattern would really not present much of a challenge at all.
Yes, with your eyes there is a finite number but the pattern just seemed way too basic to me. As well as out in very clear country on a very clear night I am certain I could see that simple pattern multiple times. Plus there are only five stars. A tiny mention of how they deduced where exactly to go to would have helped.
Not sure if this has been posted, but check this site out: https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
I'm going to have to agree with Bryan on this one. People have been using stars to sail by for eons, but the only way that works is if the patterns that they are looking at are able to be picked out of the sky and be dependable.
I know what you mean by only a few stars Rico, but the big dipper is only six stars and people aren't confusing that with the little dipper or Orion's belt. I think that only five stars works because that's something that has been shown to work already. You might be able to see similar patterns in the night sky, but you won't ever get an exact match unless it's to the constellation that you're looking for. While billions of stars in the sky might suggest billions of chances to copy the pattern, there are also billions of chances to be horribly off in that pattern.
Your analogy to sailing in the oceans by the stars on Earth isn't really the same thing. Space is BIG. I live somewhat out in the country. On a very clear night I can see a lot of stars. And I mean A LOT of stars with just my eyes. To find only one instance of that single pattern is very unlikely without some other reference point. For example, many constellations are found by knowing some other nearby reference object - say the very bright North Star. Also, the time of year and place on Earth add another complication to all of this. And star patterns change - especially given the range of time they say they found this same star pattern in various civilizations over thousands of years. So again, I find it pretty hard to swallow that this was all they had to go by when they fired up Promotheus and headed out there.
And they did reference in the movie that this was the only star system which matched that also had a sun with planets and around one of those planets a moon capable of sustaining life. This is said during the briefing scene, so it is addressed how they made the deduction. :)
Yes, I know that. But first they need to find the pattern.
Quote from: Rico on June 16, 2012, 07:00:34 AM
Yes, I know that. But first they need to find the pattern.
Well, it sounded like they went through a process of elimination, identifying the pattern and then seeing if there were planets around the stars. I mean they could easily use a computer to analyze all the visible light start patterns, even if there were numerous one's that were similar, which is possible but kind of unlikely. They would only need to look at those which are visible with the naked eye. I'm not understanding why, of all things in this movie, this was a tough one to swallow.
By the way, love the new avatar pic, Rico!
The thing for me when it comes to stuff in Sci-Fi is I can accept really far out, crazy stuff - warp drive, transporters, phasers, etc. but when it comes to some basic science stuff it sort of sits with me funny for some reason. All I wanted was a line in the film like (as an example) - "Oh, that bright star in the group must be the North Star. So, that's near where we should look."
Quote from: Bryancd on June 16, 2012, 06:56:46 AM
And they did reference in the movie that this was the only star system which matched that also had a sun with planets and around one of those planets a moon capable of sustaining life. This is said during the briefing scene, so it is addressed how they made the deduction. :)
Quote from: Rico on June 16, 2012, 06:36:41 AM
Your analogy to sailing in the oceans by the stars on Earth isn't really the same thing. Space is BIG. I live somewhat out in the country. On a very clear night I can see a lot of stars. And I mean A LOT of stars with just my eyes. To find only one instance of that single pattern is very unlikely without some other reference point. For example, many constellations are found by knowing some other nearby reference object - say the very bright North Star. Also, the time of year and place on Earth add another complication to all of this. And star patterns change - especially given the range of time they say they found this same star pattern in various civilizations over thousands of years. So again, I find it pretty hard to swallow that this was all they had to go by when they fired up Promotheus and headed out there.
I don't think they just headed out there.... they were in the Zeta system which has long be know to be a bi-nary star system, anyhow Rico i like your new Avatar....BAD-ASS
Marko
Quote from: MARKO on June 16, 2012, 03:00:14 PM
Rico i like your new Avatar....BAD-ASS
Marko
It's like Neo....15 years later... ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on June 16, 2012, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: MARKO on June 16, 2012, 03:00:14 PM
Rico i like your new Avatar....BAD-ASS
Marko
It's like Neo....15 years later... ;)
Paleo? ;) (it takes one to know one)
Well, I do feel like I'm in the Matrix some days. ;)
I really hate to be a negative voice, usually choosing to say nothing if no good can be said.... but I was so disappointed and really didn't enjoy Prometheus.
Flying away on vacation on the Saturday, I had to see it on the Friday release night. I came out feeling deflated. I'd been getting slowly more and more excited as the release neared....then I got more and more worried as the trailers told me more and more spoilers. As though the studio were desperate to eek this film for every penny they could. I was worried they had a duffer of a movie on their hands and had realised this.
I have now had 2 weeks relatively internet free to mull over and reflect upon my experience....and I still feel as let down. Time has not been a healer...
I've seen a lot of hating on the film and every problem I had has probably been voiced a hundred times before. Also, there are people who enjoyed it so I'll do a brief list of what i disliked.
[spoiler]
1. The ancient civilisation 'star charts'. Was this design supposed to have been genetically built into all of mankind's subconscious, or had the 'creators' of life on Earth (Space Jockey's) visited all of these ancient civilisations over the years and passed on the design? As a major plot point to get the characters there, this should have been explained better.
2. Did we get any explanation as to why the Space Jockey's created life on Earth, then supposedly invited the life to join them in space and then decided to destroy all of life on Earth? I mean, if there is a good reason, fair enough. But it should have been explained better
3. I didn't like the use of Guy Pearce in the 'old' make up. He looked too much like the aged Biff in the second Back To the Future film. I was sat throughout the movie expecting to see flashbacks to explain some of the missing back story, but it didn't happen. It really took me out of the movie knowing that this is a talented youngish actor. They should have just used an old person. Guy Pearce could have still done that internet video released beforehand...I have heard that the movie originally had Weyland communicating with David through his dreams and appearing as the younger Guy Pearce. This had changed after Guy was already contracted to the role. But it still took me out of the movie. An elderly actor playing the elderly Weyland would not have taken away my focus....a real let down!
4. What actually was the androids agenda? He seemed to be doing stuff just for the sake of doing it? He wasn't acting on any kind of company orders...Did he know that she would become squid inpregnated? Really didn't make sense at all to me
5. Some of the plot situations were too convenient or ridiculous. The guys who happen to get lost when they did. Very convenient. The ship rolling over the characters at the end....why didn't they run at 90 degrees of where it was rolling? Was Weyland turning up on the ship really a surprise? And what exactly was his motive for being there. To talk to the creators of life....why did that have to be kept secret from the others when it was his money financing everything!
6. My biggest disappointment came following the C-section though. As gross and horrorfying as that scene was, there is no way on this Earth (or any other planet) that the main character could have continued as she did. She'd have struggled to have a bowel movement. let alone sprint and run and leap and abseil and rollerblade and windsurf. All with only the slightest of winces from time to time. I saw my wife after a Caesarian and it was impossible. Now had they had a futuristic laser sealer or some super strength neurological pain blockers....but no. Staples and injected pain killer. Same as my wife had....Totally made me give up and shake my head.
[/spoiler]
I'm not usually the hater. I can normally see faults within movies , but easily set them aside and not let them ruin a film for me....these faults (in particular the last one) ruined it for me
I think those are very valid criticisms. Let me address a few for what it's worth...
[spoiler]
1. We are to assume the Engineers continued to visit cultures on Earth up until about 2000 years before Prometheus, teaching us the star chart and ingraining it in our collective culture.
2. No, we don't know their motivation.
3. Yes, the make-up was dodgy. I believe they did that because initially there were planned flashback scenes showing Weyland as a younger man. There may still be in a sequel. Also it allowed him to be in the viral video campaign. But this is speculation on my part.
4.David's agenda is one of the best mysteries of the film, IMO. Is he following directions from Weyland or does he have his own agenda? I loved the ambiguity about David and think the sequel could really explore that.
5. Agreed.
6. Agreed. At least they made an effort to justify her spryness by having her give herself frequent pain injections and occasionally doubling over in pain.
[/spoiler]
Like I say, I can usually set aside faults and disbelief's such as these (with the exception maybe of my 6th point) if there are enough positives to counteract or justify turning a blind eye to.
And whilst it is undeniably a visionary success which looks as amazing as you could ever desire it to....it needed more in my opinion. It came close with the whole david character....just not close enough for me.
Oh well. Hopefully a sequel will iron out enough of the questions from the first enough to rescue it for me...
If I may suggest, read some of the numerous online discussions and theories about the film and see it again. I found it very interesting seeing it a second time from a different perspective.
But I shouldn't need to do that. Watching a second time from a different perspective after seeing or reading something else online is okay provided the film is also enjoyable without those insights. If the only way I can enjoy it is with these insights, then they should have been in the film the first time around.
Had this been a stand alone movie without all the hype and expectation I had, i could maybe have half enjoyed it. But coming from Ridley Scott, set in the Alien universe and with such a huge budget, it should have been so much more than it was...but as it it was, if you need to have these online insights to fully appreciate it, I feel like I've been ripped off.
I actually think this movie has potential for greatness. Maybe a Directors cut that fills in all the gaps. I feel as though somebody else has had a hand in looking over scotts shoulder and altering stuff they had no right to alter. Ultimately ruining this movie for me.
As it is, i don't think I would even pay bargain DVD discount bin price for this film, even with the stunning effects. I may torrent it to see if my opinion has changed after a few months...if it has, of course the completionist in me will have to buy the DVD....But that's a big if
As I say, it is very rarely that I feel this way over a movie. I don't even hate on the Star wars prequels.... It has to be my expectations that were way too high. Maybe time will help....
I think a lot of the answers we seek to clear up ambiguous plot points were cut - or so it seems to me. Maybe an extended edition or re-cut will make some things clearer.
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on June 19, 2012, 09:12:14 AM
But I shouldn't need to do that. Watching a second time from a different perspective after seeing or reading something else online is okay provided the film is also enjoyable without those insights. If the only way I can enjoy it is with these insights, then they should have been in the film the first time around.
Had this been a stand alone movie without all the hype and expectation I had, i could maybe have half enjoyed it. But coming from Ridley Scott, set in the Alien universe and with such a huge budget, it should have been so much more than it was...but as it it was, if you need to have these online insights to fully appreciate it, I feel like I've been ripped off.
I actually think this movie has potential for greatness. Maybe a Directors cut that fills in all the gaps. I feel as though somebody else has had a hand in looking over scotts shoulder and altering stuff they had no right to alter. Ultimately ruining this movie for me.
As it is, i don't think I would even pay bargain DVD discount bin price for this film, even with the stunning effects. I may torrent it to see if my opinion has changed after a few months...if it has, of course the completionist in me will have to buy the DVD....But that's a big if
As I say, it is very rarely that I feel this way over a movie. I don't even hate on the Star wars prequels.... It has to be my expectations that were way too high. Maybe time will help....
You're right, let me rephrase that. Go see it again as i think a lot of the questions you asked are answered in the films. I ceratinly noticed them on my second viewing.
Some cool behind the scenes stuff on Prometheus. Some spoilers if you haven't seen it. One thing that I really liked about the designs of the Engineer makeup is that it kind of resembles some of the old marble sculptures from the Renaissance and before. I wonder if that was a conscious design decision?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Dc_zsM2p34# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Dc_zsM2p34#)!
PROMETHEUS: LANDING SEQUENCE & CRASH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Bh-lIggPw#ws)
Quote from: Chris-El on June 20, 2012, 04:24:27 PM
Some cool behind the scenes stuff on Prometheus. Some spoilers if you haven't seen it. One thing that I really liked about the designs of the Engineer makeup is that it kind of resembles some of the old marble sculptures from the Renaissance and before. I wonder if that was a conscious design decision?
It was. Highly recommend Art of Prometheus book,
Quote from: Bryancd on June 20, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on June 20, 2012, 04:24:27 PM
Some cool behind the scenes stuff on Prometheus. Some spoilers if you haven't seen it. One thing that I really liked about the designs of the Engineer makeup is that it kind of resembles some of the old marble sculptures from the Renaissance and before. I wonder if that was a conscious design decision?
It was. Highly recommend Art of Prometheus book,
Well, look at me being all observant. I will definitely be ordering that book.
Kevin Simth's new show on Hulu "Spoilers" where they cover Prometheus. The concept of the show is he buys 40 people tickets for a new movie and they have a spoiler filled discussion afterwards. Pretty fun.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/369061#s-p1-so-i0 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/369061#s-p1-so-i0)
What did David say to the Engineer? According to this article on the linguistics of Prometheus:http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/
[spoiler]The line that David speaks to the Engineer (which is from a longer sequence that didn't make the final edit) is as follows:
/ida hmanəm aɪ kja namṛtuh zdɛ:taha/.../ghʷɪvah-pjorn-ɪttham sas da:tṛ kredah/
A serviceable translation into English is:
'This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life'.[/spoiler]
Neat.
Quote from: Chris-El on June 22, 2012, 02:40:26 PM
What did David say to the Engineer? According to this article on the linguistics of Prometheus:http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/
[spoiler]The line that David speaks to the Engineer (which is from a longer sequence that didn't make the final edit) is as follows:
/ida hmanəm aɪ kja namṛtuh zdɛ:taha/.../ghʷɪvah-pjorn-ɪttham sas da:tṛ kredah/
A serviceable translation into English is:
'This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life'.[/spoiler]
Neat.
Read that the other day, very interesting.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 22, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on June 22, 2012, 02:40:26 PM
What did David say to the Engineer? According to this article on the linguistics of Prometheus:http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/
[spoiler]The line that David speaks to the Engineer (which is from a longer sequence that didn't make the final edit) is as follows:
/ida hmanəm aɪ kja namṛtuh zdɛ:taha/.../ghʷɪvah-pjorn-ɪttham sas da:tṛ kredah/
A serviceable translation into English is:
'This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life'.[/spoiler]
Neat.
Read that the other day, very interesting.
Yep. It also explains the Engineer's reaction. [spoiler] It seems they worship the concept of sacrifice in the name of creating new life. Weyland's selfish grasp at extending his own life, regardless of what it might cost others pretty much flies in the face of Engineer ideology. I also read an interesting take on how David might be viewed as an abomination- a synthetic mimicry of life.[/spoiler]
I love that there are so many layers to discuss this movie on.
Quote from: Chris-El on June 24, 2012, 07:30:25 PM
I love that there are so many layers to discuss this movie on.
Yep. I'm too lazy to read the earlier posts on this thread, so forgive me if anything I say has already been stated.
I believe that there was some last-minute editing done on the film that got rid of some story elements that would have cleared up some of the head-scratching moments in the film. This was probably done to head off any possible controversy or ruffled feathers, and I guess I can accept that. Hell, even with the possibly omitted material, there has been enough stated by Scott & revealed through the online supplemental material to fill in most of the gaps.
Speaking of online material, this film is unique in that it exists both on screen and online. The viral ad campaign feels like part of the movie itself. And now, there is a NEW site that appears to be aimed at further fleshing out the story. For those who don't know, at the very end of the films credits, there's a blurb saying something like "what is 10 11 12?" Look it up online, and you get to this web site: http://www.whatis101112.com/ (http://www.whatis101112.com/)
It seems that the site is set up to reveal 5 different "modules". Currently, only module A-1 is active, and includes an interesting look at a famous book & a video clip of Weyland that is connected to the book. :)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/summer-movie-franchise-avengers-snow-white-magic-mike-356583 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/summer-movie-franchise-avengers-snow-white-magic-mike-356583)
Prometheus sequel in the pipeline and actively being worked on! Ridley Scott has talked about in interviews that it would probably be based on the Engineers planet, and it ain't a particularly nice place. So happy they are moving forward with this.
Quote from: Chris-El on August 01, 2012, 02:50:15 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/summer-movie-franchise-avengers-snow-white-magic-mike-356583 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/summer-movie-franchise-avengers-snow-white-magic-mike-356583)
Prometheus sequel in the pipeline and actively being worked on! Ridley Scott has talked about in interviews that it would probably be based on the Engineers planet, and it ain't a particularly nice place. So happy they are moving forward with this.
Good news! Even though I have complaints about the first film, I will stay with the story.
Knew it!
Movie is due out on home video on October 11th. Check out this little video just released.
Prometheus New Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hToIh3jAsb0#ws)
Just in case anyone is interested: iTunes now has Prometheus available for digital download (complete with some extras) in HD format for $14.99. Purchased my copy and will be watching (finally!) tonight! And yes...Bryan and I've already talked about doing a podcast on it!
Watching tonight and already gathering info!!!
Quote from: QuadShot on September 21, 2012, 07:43:40 AM
Just in case anyone is interested: iTunes now has Prometheus available for digital download (complete with some extras) in HD format for $14.99. Purchased my copy and will be watching (finally!) tonight! And yes...Bryan and I've already talked about doing a podcast on it!
It's not just iTunes. This early release in digital format ahead of the DVD's and Blu-Ray's is all because of Fox's new Digital HD program. Info at the link below, but with this you can get this movie now also from Amazon, Vudu, Google Play, XBOX, Youtube, of course iTunes, and other places too. More info at the link below:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514843-93/fox-launches-digital-hd-for-early-access-to-latest-releases/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514843-93/fox-launches-digital-hd-for-early-access-to-latest-releases/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccAMVEtOAe8&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccAMVEtOAe8&feature=player_embedded#)!
Looks like the BluRay will still be the way to go on this! 7 hours of features....I can't wait to dig into them.
WOW.....
Already ordered!
Download complete!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBaKqOMGPWc&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBaKqOMGPWc&feature=player_embedded#)!
Honest trailers does Prometheus...pretty darn funny!
Funny you posted that Chris... :) Bryan and I recorded our Prometheus cast today and Bryan found that trailer. Don't be surprised if you hear it again! :)
What a coincidence!
For another in-depth look at the prequel - Red Letter Media...
Mike and Jay talk about the divisive new film Prometheus, Ridley Scott's kinda-sorta prequel to G.I. Jane.
http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-prometheus/ (http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-prometheus/)
OMG - that Honest Trailer for "Prometheus" is so RIGHT! Love it!!!
"The Black Goo from 'The X Files!'" LOL!!!! :roflmao
I sent a link to Al yesterday after this was posted over at the RPF and told him we had to include the audio of this on our podcast!
For your reading pleasure: The original script of what evolved into "Prometheus". Pretty interesting stuff.
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/112142280-Alien-Engineers.pdf (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/112142280-Alien-Engineers.pdf)
This is funny...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVHYmPkGaTc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVHYmPkGaTc#ws)
That's funny. My wife and I watched this on Bluray last night. She hadn't seen it yet. I thought it's still pretty darn good despite the silly plot holes (which she pointed out as we watched), but she thought it was too gross. Still want to see that sequel.
Confirmation on Prometheus followup:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2624464/Michael-Fassbender-confirms-Prometheus-sequel-hints-Ridley-Scott-direct.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2624464/Michael-Fassbender-confirms-Prometheus-sequel-hints-Ridley-Scott-direct.html)