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Title: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Meds on August 29, 2011, 03:00:52 AM
It will be ten years since the atrocious attacks on American soil soon and I was disappointed to read in the news feeds that officials working on the 10th 'Anniversary' ( more about that word in a minute) have said that many of the police & firefighters are nit allowed to come & pay their respects. This I find shocking. How many politicians & celebs will be there when as far as I am concerned those who lost family members & the emergency crews are the one's who should come first.

Now the word anniversary I don't like, to me anniversary is a celebration maybe a better word should be used.

What do you all think?
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Bromptonboy on August 29, 2011, 04:25:20 AM
As long as Jane Fonda, Susan Sarandon, and Richard Gere stay away - I'll keep my ire in check...  :)

I agree about the rescue workers having a place of high honor in any commemoration. 
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Rico on August 29, 2011, 05:16:10 AM
I have not read about any of this Meds, but how do they plan on keeping people away?  The streets are pretty public, unless they block them off and set up police, etc.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Bryancd on August 29, 2011, 05:26:13 AM
Yeah, I haven't paid a lot of mind to this as of yet. I do understand the issue possibly with the word "anniversary" however it's context is correct.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: davekill on August 29, 2011, 06:08:12 AM
Meds may be referring to official guests lists for any of the planned events.
When it comes to sharing - those stages can be pretty small.  ;)
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Rico on August 29, 2011, 06:23:39 AM
Now, that makes sense Dave.  I still would believe there will be some type of representation there.  The media loves to have a family or two in order to do a special "focus" story on.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: billybob476 on August 29, 2011, 06:25:46 AM
Quote from: Rico on August 29, 2011, 06:23:39 AM
Now, that makes sense Dave.  I still would believe there will be some type of representation there.  The media loves to have a family or two in order to do a special "focus" story on.
... but they also like having Jennifer Lopez there saying how sad she is.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Bryancd on August 29, 2011, 06:31:27 AM
Perhaps instead of an anniversary, they should consider making it a more officially recognized day of remembrance like Memorial Day, although that often simply morphs into a vacation for most and the spirit of the day gets lost.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Meds on August 29, 2011, 06:39:07 AM
This is what was posted on twitter earlier today.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/08/13/report-911-first-responders-not-invited-to-10th-anniversary-ceremony-at-ground-zero/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/08/13/report-911-first-responders-not-invited-to-10th-anniversary-ceremony-at-ground-zero/)

Like any country our news mainly consists if events happening here in our own country so I was hoping to get feedback from you chaps/ladies in the US.

Bryan I think you have hit the nail on the head. Memorial or Rememberance is far more fitting.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: X on August 29, 2011, 07:43:48 AM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on August 29, 2011, 06:39:07 AM
This is what was posted on twitter earlier today.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/08/13/report-911-first-responders-not-invited-to-10th-anniversary-ceremony-at-ground-zero/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/08/13/report-911-first-responders-not-invited-to-10th-anniversary-ceremony-at-ground-zero/)

Like any country our news mainly consists if events happening here in our own country so I was hoping to get feedback from you chaps/ladies in the US.

Bryan I think you have hit the nail on the head. Memorial or Rememberance is far more fitting.
I read the article and it makes sense to me. They are there to mourn the victims of 9/11 by having their families there. That's a lot of people, but it would also include the families of the first responders that died. If two people and only two people from each family came, that would be a hard feat to fit them into the way smaller standing area that is ground zero considering that the space where the buildings were are now two building sized waterfall holes.

Logistically, there isn't enough room for the families of the victims and the first responders.

Also, it's really not about them first responders that day. They are getting their own day to be thanked, but in the end, they were doing their jobs and did them. Coming from a house hold with two firefighters and friendships with serveal cops, I've noticed that they are there to do their jobs and if we had to thank them for doing something good, we'd probably be celebrating all week every week. At the end of the day, they were there doing their jobs and that's that. Sure Ground Zero was dangerous, but isn't running into a burning building also dangerous?

I really don't mind them being thanked on another day because the goals of this day is specific. I also think that it's a tad bit a slap in the face to single out 9/11 to thank them for when they are doing their jobs all day every day. They have to deal with the death and danger, but we are often silent about the thanks for all these other days. The people that died before and after 9/11 that these cops and fire have to deal with aren't any less important than those that died on that tragic day. So if we're thanking them for what they do, we should be thanking them for everything that they do and not a single day. If that makes any sense.

As to the word used. It's used here to mark the passage of time regardless of the positive or negative connotations of the event in question. Be it a wedding, death, or genocidal war, it's all called an anniversary here, so that didn't bother me at all.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Rico on August 29, 2011, 08:23:47 AM
If it was me and I was someone involved in that day, I personally wouldn't want to go back and remember what I had seen.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: QuadShot on August 29, 2011, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Rico on August 29, 2011, 08:23:47 AM
If it was me and I was someone involved in that day, I personally wouldn't want to go back and remember what I had seen.
Agreed. Somethings are better left un-memorialized. I'm not saying forget, just don't relive.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Rico on August 29, 2011, 08:35:57 AM
Exactly.  I don't think any of us will ever forget what happened that day.  While I can understand the media and others want a ceremony, etc. (especially since it's now been ten years), I don't think we need a big event to know how many sacrifices were made and lives were touched by this terrible event.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: davekill on August 30, 2011, 06:57:39 AM
I remember that for a short time afterward, we put our small differences aside and where one people and the Brits stood with us.
That was cool  :)
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Meds on August 30, 2011, 07:36:12 AM
I think the Brits have always stood by America, well apart from when we ruled you with an iron fist and gave you banks, safe roads, the fountain, irrigation oh and wine. ;) or was that the Romans.
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: Rico on August 30, 2011, 07:50:42 AM
Meds - your greatest gift to us has been "Doctor Who."  :)
Title: Re: September 11th. Ten years on.
Post by: spaltor on August 30, 2011, 08:00:58 AM
I've never liked any of these commemorations.  The people who lost loved ones on that day (or year later, because of that day) are mourning daily.  And when others, who were not as strongly affected by the event, come together and make a big show out of "remembering"...  well, let's just say I know quite a few people who find that more offensive than not having an event at all.