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Title: The Next Generation
Post by: jonno8339 on November 14, 2010, 01:00:38 PM
Here is my posting for a 10 year project to get my 3 kids to enjoy Star Trek in all its forms. Any help welcome.....Whats the first Star Trek fiilm/episode we should watch together?
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: wraith1701 on November 14, 2010, 01:09:54 PM
If your kids are under the age of 10, I say start out with The Original Series.  After all, that's where it all begins, and they won't have had a chance to develop a bias against the dated sets and special effects. 

After that, I'd go with the TOS Movies, then Next Gen.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: Rico on November 14, 2010, 01:21:29 PM
For young kids you might even try starting with the animated series.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: M-5 on November 14, 2010, 01:57:24 PM
Definitely start with The Animated Series.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: Blackride on November 14, 2010, 02:02:43 PM
If they are younger kids (10 yrs) start with Nemesis or something. The animated series bored me when I was a kid especially when compared to new cartoons.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: Bryancd on November 14, 2010, 02:24:40 PM
Yeah, I would start with one of the movies, one with a lot of action to get their interest. Try TMP and see if they can stay awake, make it a game! ;)
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: M-5 on November 14, 2010, 02:51:34 PM
No kid can stay awake for The Motion Picture.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: Bryancd on November 14, 2010, 03:05:35 PM
Quote from: M-5 on November 14, 2010, 02:51:34 PM
No kid can stay awake for The Motion Picture.

Neither can some adults.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: X on November 14, 2010, 06:21:44 PM
I'd start with enterprise. It's what hooked my own little girl. It's the only one that has a theme that they can sing along too and remember. It also has better graphics and most kids are pretty jaded with simple effects these days. Well, I won't say most, but every kid that I know has some issues with older effects because of what they are currently exposed too.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: Bryancd on November 14, 2010, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: X on November 14, 2010, 06:21:44 PM
I'd start with enterprise. It's what hooked my own little girl. It's the only one that has a theme that they can sing along too and remember. It also has better graphics and most kids are pretty jaded with simple effects these days. Well, I won't say most, but every kid that I know has some issues with older effects because of what they are currently exposed too.


I agree, which is why despite my love, TOS isn't the way to go, nor is the animated series, that really looks bad in a contemporary setting.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: ElfManDan on November 14, 2010, 11:01:22 PM
I'd say TNG, I started watching it when I was about 5 or so and it was my favorite show on TV by age 10. So it worked for me. I got older and watched the other stuff. It wasn't forced upon me by my father, I just watched it with him. I think TNG is his favorite of the series so that's probably why we watched it the most. So from my own experience growing up that would be my suggestion.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: Rico on November 15, 2010, 05:55:03 AM
Well, I grew up on TOS reruns - lol!  I was maybe about 10 when I started watching.  It really all depends on the age of the kids and their maturity level.  TNG would be a good place to start as well.  My kids grew up on that.  I wouldn't really suggest a movie since most of them have some back story stuff they wouldn't know.  Also, keep in mind Trek isn't something everyone responds to.  My kids never really got that much into it even though it was on a lot of the time.  I let them find their own path.  Anyway, good luck with it.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: billybob476 on November 15, 2010, 06:11:20 AM
I grew up on TNG as well. The good thing about it is that it really does evolve much more then any other Trek series. The first few seasons are much more straightforward with regard to story and characters (for the most part). As the series progresses relationships, sotrylines and the drama overall becomes much more compelling and complex.

Unlike us, I think kids will enjoy the early seasons of TNG, it will allow them to get into it without having to worry too much about trying to figure out what's going on.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: X on November 15, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
My people here grew up on TOS reruns when the mastery of computer graphics produced something as quality as Pong. I grew up on TOS and TNG, but when I watched TOS, there was always the disclaimer that we'd give other friends to get them into it. "The effects are kind of hokey, but you gotta stick with it to get to the story."

Having seen recent TNG, It hasn't aged in a way that will appeal to kids. They live in a world where they can play games that have hundreds of time better graphics than TNG. The stories are still good and we have this nostalga that we look through when we see things.

Kids today consume the visual medium like people of my generation looked to books and the occasional movie. TV movies and shows today have better visuals than the most expensive blockbusters of my youth.

I think that the bar has been raised and with the addition of HDTV, the age and flaws of the shows are quite easy to see.

I think it's far better to pull them in with the eye candy of Enterprise and then get them to stick around for the other stuff. Or at least it was the case in my house with my little one. She would come and sit when I had enterprise on, but look at me funny when I watched something earlier until she realized that they were in the same big story.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: ElfManDan on November 15, 2010, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: X on November 15, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
My people here grew up on TOS reruns when the mastery of computer graphics produced something as quality as Pong. I grew up on TOS and TNG, but when I watched TOS, there was always the disclaimer that we'd give other friends to get them into it. "The effects are kind of hokey, but you gotta stick with it to get to the story."

Having seen recent TNG, It hasn't aged in a way that will appeal to kids. They live in a world where they can play games that have hundreds of time better graphics than TNG. The stories are still good and we have this nostalga that we look through when we see things.

Kids today consume the visual medium like people of my generation looked to books and the occasional movie. TV movies and shows today have better visuals than the most expensive blockbusters of my youth.

I think that the bar has been raised and with the addition of HDTV, the age and flaws of the shows are quite easy to see.

I think it's far better to pull them in with the eye candy of Enterprise and then get them to stick around for the other stuff. Or at least it was the case in my house with my little one. She would come and sit when I had enterprise on, but look at me funny when I watched something earlier until she realized that they were in the same big story.

As the youngest person to comment here and the fact is I was 12 when Enterprise came out I kinda disagree X. I did grow up in a TV, video games, and computer generation and I still found TNG to be my favorite show. TOS was a bit dated and I have a friend who was about 8 and thought Enterprise was scary, he actually had nightmares. As I got older I came to like them all, but at that age I loved TNG and all the characters, especially commander Data. I think one thing is I have such good memories with my father. He took me to see all the original trilogy Star Wars films in theaters in the 1997 rerelease and I remember going to see The Voyage Home when I was really little on I think it was a projector screen. Now I'm a bigger Trekkie than he is. I think TNG still is the best for inducing kids to the franchise, worked for me and I'm like said I'm a big Trekkie now.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: Jobydrone on November 16, 2010, 06:41:22 AM
I've said this in the past, but I think my love for all things Trek devloped more because of the adventures I had in my own mind playing with my action figures than it was based on any actual episodes.  I didn't really get hooked on actually watching Trek until Wrath of Khan, and I was already a teenager by then. 

If they're young kids let them watch some of the more exciting TNG episodes then get Rico to send you some of his TNG action figures, I think he has about 15 Geordi Laforges.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: Rico on November 16, 2010, 07:34:38 AM
I think I gave away two Geordi's so I might be down to only 13 left now.  ;)
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: jedijeff on November 16, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
My 2 cents, depending on how old your Kids are, the most recent Trek movie might be your best bet, as it would be the most visually appealing since it is new, and the story moves pretty good. Also it has plenty of humor in it which kids like, where some of the other Trek movies humor is more Subtle.

If they are older, then maybe Next Generation as a lot of people really connect with it. Though the thing that I have noticed up here in Canada, that if you don't have the DVD's, the broadcast quality of TNG, Voyager and DS9 don't look that good as look very poor and muddy on high def TV's. Maybe it broadcast better in the states, but could potentially turn them off if doesn't look great. The remastered TOS and Enterprise looks good, so that might be something to consider. But again depending on how old they are, the Old Tech from TOS might throw them off a bit, and you might have to explain it, and they will not hold the Nostalgic feel for it like we do.
Title: Re: The Next Generation
Post by: jonno8339 on November 21, 2010, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: jedijeff on November 16, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
My 2 cents, depending on how old your Kids are, the most recent Trek movie might be your best bet, as it would be the most visually appealing since it is new, and the story moves pretty good. Also it has plenty of humor in it which kids like, where some of the other Trek movies humor is more Subtle.

If they are older, then maybe Next Generation as a lot of people really connect with it. Though the thing that I have noticed up here in Canada, that if you don't have the DVD's, the broadcast quality of TNG, Voyager and DS9 don't look that good as look very poor and muddy on high def TV's. Maybe it broadcast better in the states, but could potentially turn them off if doesn't look great. The remastered TOS and Enterprise looks good, so that might be something to consider. But again depending on how old they are, the Old Tech from TOS might throw them off a bit, and you might have to explain it, and they will not hold the Nostalgic feel for it like we do.

Funny because my kids call the new film 'baby star trek', mainly because kirk is born at the beginning. Well its going to be a long task but I will prevail!!