Well, it looks like they now have a director and a pretty solid creative team. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Zack Snyder has been chosen to direct the new Superman movie, which Christopher Nolan is producing for Warner Bros. and Legendary Pictures.
Snyder had been on the list of filmmakers ensconced in meetings with Nolan and Warners executives, who in recent weeks have talked to Darren Aronofsky, Ben Affleck, Matt Reeves and Tony Scott.
The job was so coveted that even Robert Zemeckis, retired to the world of performance-capture animation, considered returning to live-action filmmaking in order to nab the gig.
The Superman movie is one of the studio's top priorities, not only because it serves as the linchpin for its line of films based on DC Comics superheros, but because Warners needs to be in production on a new Superman movie by 2011 or risk losing certain copyrights to the heirs of creators Joe Shuster and Jerry Seigel. (That litigation is still pending.)
Nolan, who revived Batman for the big screen with 2005's "Batman Begins" and the 2008 hit "The Dark Knight," teamed up with David Goyer for a new a way to revive the last son of Krypton. Despite grossing $200 million domestically, the last movie about the Man of Steel, 2006's "Superman Returns," was considered a disappointment, and a hoped-for franchise launch never flew off.
Part of the problem stems from Superman's origins: The character for decades was a beacon of positive qualities, and his stories usually were painted in black-and-white. So from the point of view of a certain audience segment, Superman isn't hip enough for a time that prefers its heroes more morally ambiguous.
Goyer is writing the script, which is rumored to have, like "Superman Returns," a connection to Richard Donner's Superman films of 30-odd years ago. In this movie's case, it's a villain connection: General Zod, who was played by Terence Stamp in "Superman" (1978) and "Superman II" (1980).
Snyder has become one of Warner Bros.' favorite filmmakers since he directed the surprise smash "300," the adaptation of the Frank Miller comic book. He followed that with "Watchmen," the adaptation of the seminal Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons miniseries, and is now putting the final touches on his original work "Suckerpunch," which is slated to open March 25.
Snyder just made his animated feature debut with "Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole." The movie opened softly but is generating strong word-of-mouth, with box-office receipts having fallen only 32 percent in its second week.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6935XZ20101004 (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6935XZ20101004)
Superman return(was this classed as a reboot) was for me lacking in interest ,Brandon Routh was fine as the
man of steel but the story just didn't do it for me the world dull spring to mind.
Smallville is coming to an end this year. Wouldn't this be a great opportunity to base a movie on that version of Superman?
I think Snyder may be a good choice but the success will really ride on the selection for Superman. Brandon Routh was just not the strong heroic type we have come to expect in Superman. We need someone that is strong looking when in the suit and weak when not and that is a hard role to fill. George Reeves is still the best in my book but Christopher pulled it off pretty well also. Let's hope for the best. I'm just glad Routh won't be returning or Bryan Singer for that matter.
Kevin
I think Routh was fantastic as superman. I don't think the script was there, but he was by far my favorite Superman.
The last film crushed me. A life long Suoerman fan both in comics and film I came out of the cinema crest fallen. Script was terrible, supermans costume just awful and in general bad actor choices all around. It had some good points but it was nowhere near the quality it should have been. Ok I'm aware my live for the comics and especially Superman 2 may cloud my judgement on such things but I sooooo hope this new film will deliver the goods.
I would like to see a smallville movie, the magic is there.
I liked Brandon in "Superman Returns." But the movie needed to be tighter and the script needed some work. I think they spent too much time paying homage to what had come before.
My idea for a new Superman film would be to actually try something different. Pick a mid to late 30's actor for Superman. Skip the origin story (maybe just do some stuff during the opening credits) and just get right into the action & story. And I'd be daring a pick maybe a 40's actress for Lois. Perhaps deal with how Clark feels he can never have a normal life, etc. I just think to go back to the same old, young side of things all the time has been done to death.
P.S. I'd like to see an older Batman movie sometime too! :)
Quote from: Rico on October 05, 2010, 05:08:42 AM
P.S. I'd like to see an older Batman movie sometime too! :)
Yea! They could call it
Batman Retired! :batman
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on October 05, 2010, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: Rico on October 05, 2010, 05:08:42 AM
P.S. I'd like to see an older Batman movie sometime too! :)
Yea! They could call it Batman Retired! :batman
Kevin
Or, "The Dark Knight Returns" based on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_Returns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_Returns)
Quote from: Rico on October 05, 2010, 05:08:42 AM
P.S. I'd like to see an older Batman movie sometime too! :)
Well I with you Rico when you say bring back Adam West as Batman (just reading between the lines)
I'm all for a new Superman.. loved all the incarnations of this story. I don't really care who directs it as long as the story is good.. that's the most important to me. And I'm with Rico they need to get away from the origin story and tell a completely different story.
Oh the comic Dark Knight Returns is awesome. I remember they suggested Clint Eastwood when it first came out. He's a bit too crumbly now though lol
I'm up for a good superman movie. :)
I'd like to see it done as more a continuation than a reboot; pretend that Superman Returns never happened and continue from the Christopher Reeve films. And unlike Superman Returns, the film should acknowledge that at least a little time has passed since the events of the last Reeve film. Whoever they cast as Lois and Clark/Supes should NOT look younger than Reeve & Kidder did in Superman 2.
Quote from: wraith1701 on October 06, 2010, 10:10:56 PM
I'm up for a good superman movie. :)
I'd like to see it done as more a continuation than a reboot; pretend that Superman Returns never happened and continue from the Christopher Reeve films. And unlike Superman Returns, the film should acknowledge that at least a little time has passed since the events of the last Reeve film. Whoever they cast as Lois and Clark/Supes should NOT look younger than Reeve & Kidder did in Superman 2.
Gonna have to disagree with you here big man. The reason the last movie failed is because it was too connected to the CR Superman movies.
As fans we like to put on blinders when it comes to Christopher Reeves, but the follow up movies that were done with him in the role killed the franchise for decades. It would be nice to pretend all that didn't happen, but we can't pick and choose what we pretend. We also have to remember that most of the people that will come to see the new film won't have nostalgia to get them over the hump that is the first movies.
The Reeves movies are very dated and it's like asking for the next Spiderman movie to pick up where the Electric Company shorts left off.
We should start fresh because that's what the next generation deserves in a superman movie. If you still want to see the Reeves films, they are there, but I think that's part of the reason for the failure of the last film. There are adults that were not born when Superman was released. To continue that story is asking for trouble and Superman Returns learned that lesson well. As bad as some people think Returns was, surely you remember Quest of Peace.
I just want to see them get right into it. No need to do another origin story. People know who Superman is, where he came from, etc. Really no need to do that again. Just get a good story and script and some solid actors. It's kind of too bad Ryan Reynolds is playing Green Lantern, Deadpool and so on. I could have seen him playing Supes and Clark. And one with a little more experience behind him.
Quote from: Chris on October 07, 2010, 06:13:48 AM
The Reeves movies are very dated and it's like asking for the next Spiderman movie to pick up where the Electric Company shorts left off.
LOL C'mon dude. As dated as the first 2 Reeves films might be from a special effects point of view, the quality of the acting and script are by no means inferior to lots of stuff being produced now. In fact, I'd say it tops a lot of the newer superhero films.
Quote. As bad as some people think Returns was, surely you remember Quest of Peace.
Touche. Well played. :) I'm going to amend my earlier statement by saying we should pretend that everything that happened after Superman 2 never existed. ;)
I don't think that Returns failed by holding on to the Reeves roots, I think the idea was a good one. Where it failed was in the execution. The creative team tried to go in two directions at once- they tried to pick up where the other films left off while trying to simultaneously make the film "new" and "Hip" by casting the leads as way too young. The woman who played Lois struck me as seeming even younger than the Lois from the Smallville show, an issue which was made even more unbelievable by the Son Of Superman retcon.
Quote from: Rico on October 07, 2010, 06:47:37 AM
I just want to see them get right into it. No need to do another origin story. People know who Superman is, where he came from, etc. Really no need to do that again. Just get a good story and script and some solid actors.
^This. :) Superman is arguably as big a cultural icon as Santa Claus. Even most non-geeks get the idea- he's a Super-Man. Give a brief sketch of the whole 'last son of a doomed world' bit and get on with the story.
So is the consensus:
1) NO origin story
2) Leads that are not TOO young
3) Don't change the costume
What about villains?
I like the idea that this is a reboot and maybe a Zod story would be good. There's only so many things that can threaten Superman or change his actions. Kryptonite and 'world in peril' have been done to death so my vote is with other super-beings.
I've said it but a Smallville movie (in as much as the origin and backstory comes from the TV show) would work well in my opinion. I'd love to see what they could do with that universe on a big budget.
Yep - good list of points I'd like to see. I'd like to see a new villain they haven't done in the films - not Lex or Zod. Maybe Darkseid or someone else as powerful as Superman.
Quote from: Rico on October 07, 2010, 06:47:37 AM
I just want to see them get right into it. No need to do another origin story. People know who Superman is, where he came from, etc. Really no need to do that again. Just get a good story and script and some solid actors. It's kind of too bad Ryan Reynolds is playing Green Lantern, Deadpool and so on. I could have seen him playing Supes and Clark. And one with a little more experience behind him.
I totally agree with you that an origin is not necessary or if they feel it's a must, they take from the latest hulk and do it over the opening credits. I think that after that the sky is the limit, but it must distance itself from Christopher Reeves' movie.
I'd be happy if they picked up a few years after the end of Smallvile and have Tom in the suit and an established hero fighting some epic threat.
Quote from: Dangelus on October 07, 2010, 09:18:30 AM
So is the consensus:
1) NO origin story
2) Leads that are not TOO young
3) Don't change the costume
What about villains?
I like the idea that this is a reboot and maybe a Zod story would be good. There's only so many things that can threaten Superman or change his actions. Kryptonite and 'world in peril' have been done to death so my vote is with other super-beings.
I've said it but a Smallville movie (in as much as the origin and backstory comes from the TV show) would work well in my opinion. I'd love to see what they could do with that universe on a big budget.
I thought about this and the problem with Superman is that he's superman. Common thugs and humans really shouldn't be a threat to him. Heatbeam Luthor's kryptonite from a distance and move to a real threat.
Superman's problem is has as always been the level of power need to be a threat to Big Blue. Having him against common thugs does a disservice to him. Having him against a villain of his power levels can only be done a few movies at a time.
My best idea would be a trilogy (or six/seven films if we give each of the supermen a movie).
Death of superman with him against doomsday.
Reign of the Supermen - As in the comic, some people coming to claim the title after Supes is dead (Eradicator, Superboy, Steel, and Cyborg Superman) . In the end one of the people claiming to be superman turns out to be the big bad.
Superman Rebirth .. Superman comes back from the dead with the help of the non-bad supermen. Only at a portion of his former power he has to go up against Cyborg Superman with the rest of the Superman crew.
I think that there are only a few villians that would work against Supes:
Bizarro, Zod (but has been done enough), Darkside.
Maybe a Superman tale featuring the New Gods?
X i'm with you. The Death of Superman series was a fantastic comic and if directed well the Doomsday fight would be fantastic.
Bizarro would be great but I think that would only work once the franchise is up and running. I'd also like to see Supergirl turn up.
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0013/4622/cavill_article.jpg?1296409146)
Henry Cavill Officially Cast As Superman
By Garth Franklin Sunday January 30th 2011 11:34AM
It's official - Henry Cavill will play Clark Kent/Superman in the upcoming Zack Snyder-directed "Superman" reboot. British thesp Cavill ("The Tudors," "Whatever Works," "Stardust") previously came close to scoring the role in "Superman Returns" when McG was to direct, but ultimately missed out when Bryan Singer took over and cast Brandon Routh. Here's the press release:
"Warner Bros. Pictures and Legendary Pictures announced today that Henry Cavill has won the coveted role of Superman, the iconic superhero.
The film will be directed by Zack Snyder, who stated, "In the pantheon of superheroes, Superman is the most recognized and revered character of all time, and I am honored to be a part of his return to the big screen. I also join Warner Bros., Legendary and the producers in saying how excited we are about the casting of Henry. He is the perfect choice to don the cape and S shield."
Charles Roven, Emma Thomas, Christopher Nolan and Deborah Snyder are the producers of the film. The screenplay is being written by David S. Goyer based on a story by Goyer and Nolan. Thomas Tull and Lloyd Phillips are serving as executive producers.
Cavill recently wrapped production on "The Cold Light of Day" and stars in the upcoming "Immortals," opening this fall.
Targeted for release in December 2012, the new Superman movie will be distributed worldwide by Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company."
Hmmm.....
Not quite sure I like this choice as it looks like they are heading down the Brandon Routh way again and choosing someone not very athletic looking. He's a good looking person and a decent actor for sure but is the role of Superman really right for him?
Kevin
Christopher Reeves wasn't that athletic looking either and he did well in the role.
Lets hope this goes better than....well, the last reboot...
King
I was hoping for the guy from Mad Men. He would have been awesome.
Quote from: Ktrek on January 30, 2011, 08:55:18 PM
Not quite sure I like this choice as it looks like they are heading down the Brandon Routh way again and choosing someone not very athletic looking. He's a good looking person and a decent actor for sure but is the role of Superman really right for him?
Kevin
Well he looks pretty athletic to me.... btw this picture is from his upcoming staring roll in "Immortals
He just looks too young to me...this is not Superboy it's SuperMAN
I still would have liked Tom Welling to have gotten a shot at it. I'd say this guy looks the part pretty well, it will come down to the script, other actors, director, etc. Superman is very tricky to pull off. I'm one of the few that enjoyed "Superman Returns." Two things I'm hoping for: not an origin story at all, and no Lex Luthor. Both have been done to death. They have some talent on board, we'll see if they can pull it off.
He's 27 now and 6' 1", which is fine for the part. Unless they took my idea and went with an older, more established Superman. Here's some trivia about him from IMDB...
Trivia
Grew up in Jersey in Great Britain, a small island between England and France.
His dream role is to play Alexander the Great
Likes rugby, but no longer plays due to injuries.
Went to boarding school.
Never leaves home without money, credit cards and his passport.
Has a knack for languages.
His favorite item of clothing is a brown leather jacket, an item he says he could not live without.
Auditioned for the role of Bruce Wayne/Batman in Batman Begins (2005).
Was Stephenie Meyer's first choice to play Edward in the adaptation of "Twilight," but by the time the film came to be, he was 25-years old, and no longer looked the part of a 17-year old.
After auditioning, but failing to land the roles of Bruce Wayne/Batman, Superman/Clark Kent, and James Bond; he was dubbed "...the most unlucky man in Hollywood" by Empire Magazine (December 2005).
Cavill auditioned for the lead role in Batman Begins, but lost out to Christian Bale. In 2005, he became a young contender for the role of James Bond, and performed in a final screentest. However, the producers believed Cavill was too young for the role, which then went to Daniel Craig. He also auditioned for the role of Superman in Superman Returns, and was reportedly under heavy consideration before the October 2004 casting of Brandon Routh. Due to this; In the December 2005 edition of Empire Magazine, he was dubbed "...the most unlucky man in Hollywood".
Says if he hadn't picked up acting he would have joined the forces to fulfil his "patriotic pride".
Has an interest in Egyptology.
Quote from: X on January 30, 2011, 09:26:11 PM
Christopher Reeves wasn't that athletic looking either and he did well in the role.
Agreed, and I never envision Superman as being hugely muscular, but I only know him from the movies, I never watched Smallville or any of the newer stuff.
I like the guy, lets just hope they get the suit right :D
I can never get George Reeves out of my mind with Superman.
Quote from: Bromptonboy on February 01, 2011, 06:59:13 AM
I can never get George Reeves out of my mind with Superman.
The first Superman actor I knew too. He was great. Make sure to see "Hollywoodland" too. Interesting take on his life.
Quote from: Rico on January 31, 2011, 08:42:01 AM
Trivia
Grew up in Jersey in Great Britain, a small island between England and France.
Being pedantic, Jersey is not part of Great Britain so IMDB is wrong :D
IMDB is wrong sometimes. So what country claims Jersey? I just think it's funny that there is an island over near the UK called Jersey. :)
No country claims it, it's a 'crown dependency' i.e. it's ruled by the Queen but has its own government which is independent of the rest of the UK, similar to the Isle of Man and Guernsey (where my mother comes from which is why I get picky over this stuff).
Guernsey, Jersey (and others) make up the Channel Islands which is the last bit of Norman territory retained by the British monarch from the Norman conquest of 1066. (The rest of Normandy passed back to French rule at some point.)
Sounds kind of like our Puerto Rico. Still sounds pretty darn British to me.
Quote from: Rico on February 02, 2011, 09:18:08 AM
Sounds kind of like our Puerto Rico. Still sounds pretty darn British to me.
Yeah I agree Rico.. it's ruled but the Queen of England.. sounds like it's part of the UK to me :)
Just a note: why would Superman need to have Ah-nold sized muscles anyway? He's from a planet with higher gravity - so when on a planet with lower gravity, he'd be stronger as-is. For all we know, Superman is actually a Pee-Wee Herman on his planet! :) :P
For the record to add to Mikes post there is a total of five islands in the Channel Islands, Jersey, Guernsey, Sark, Herm and Alderney. They produce nice cream and its a tax free haven, and Bergereac was filmed there lol
In most of the Superman comics he's pretty well-muscled. It just is the way it's been. I think he should be fairly well built up, but certainly not Arnold sized. He needs to be an imposing figure.
I think Chris Reeve had it bang on, plus the shading of the suit should add some depth to the body. As i said before they MUST get the Superman suit right. The last one was terrible. Short shorts is not a good look on anyone especially Superman.
Quote from: Rico on February 02, 2011, 11:45:47 AM
In most of the Superman comics he's pretty well-muscled. It just is the way it's been. I think he should be fairly well built up, but certainly not Arnold sized. He needs to be an imposing figure.
It depends on which version. He was a big guy at the beginning, but since the 70's, he became far less muscular and more athletic looking. He went from a circus strong man to a fit guy. For the last two decades, aside from All Star superman, he's been just fit and not muscular. When he was shown as very muscular, it was because he was having some issues. If I had to put it in words, he had the build of an army guy as opposed to the build of a marine.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on February 02, 2011, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 02, 2011, 09:18:08 AM
Sounds kind of like our Puerto Rico. Still sounds pretty darn British to me.
Yeah I agree Rico.. it's ruled but the Queen of England.. sounds like it's part of the UK to me :)
:offtopic You could really upset people saying things like that. Go ask an Australian (I'm not sure about the Canadians any more!)
Not to get into a whole thing about this and more off topic, but from what I'm reading online this Jersey island is certainly connected fairly closely with Britain. A lot more connected than Australia or Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependency)
Although the dependencies are British possessions of the Crown, and are not sovereign nations in their own right, the power to pass legislation affecting the islands ultimately rests with their own respective legislative assemblies.
I'm just glad Cavill isn't from the Jersey shore! ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 02, 2011, 12:36:01 PM
I'm just glad Cavill isn't from the Jersey shore! ;)
Gym, Tan, Phonebooth!
BTW, where do you think NEW Jersey was named for?
(OK, assumption on my part, I haven't checked. UPDATE: I have checked now)
Chatting about a non-American in the role on the way home today, we couldn't decide if it was somewhat ironic or not.
On the one hand, Superman is alien so who cares where the actor comes from but if he has a true Jersey accent (which he doesn't) it would be funny hearing him declare he was fighting for 'the American way'. (If he's declared 'British', the irony increases.)
Actor Hugh Laurie always amazes me on the TV show "House" on how American and non-British he sounds.
Hugh's accent is spot on.
The thing is Jersey people don't like being reminded they are part if the UK, same as Northern island etc. It's a nice place Jersey, if you are a millionaire and like cows lol
I think Tom Welling would have made a good choice but the one they picked looks like he could do a good job. The wife said "oh, la la"! So shes ready to see it. She has always been a Superman fan of the movies and later tv shows but was never into the comics. We both liked Superman Returns. And I agree with Rico, lets bring on a new villian for Superman. There are plenty to choose from.
I'd like to see two villians: classic robotic Braniac using Gorilla Grodd as his main Lieutenant would be fraking awesome.
I was thinking of Braniac also. That could really be a cool villian. I also wanted to let our friends across the pond know that they helped me learn something. With all the talk of Jersey on here I looked it up in a atlas we sell at work. So It was bugging me till I found it. Wasn't that easy. I also looked up Cardiff since I have been watching Torchwood on BBC America.
Not sure I like this idea...
Lois Lane may not even be IN Zack Snyder's Superman reboot
With the recent announcement that Henry Cavill was cast as the new Superman in Zack Snyder's Superman: Man of Steel, there's been speculation as to who should be his Lois Lane. However, it appears that Warner Bros. is looking for a leading lady in Supe's life that is NOT our intrepid reporter —meaning there's a possibility that Miss Lane may not even be IN the movie.
Variety reports (you may need to register to read the story) that the studio is looking at a short list of three actresses to fill the role of an as-yet-undisclosed female lead character that they claim is not Lois Lane.
The three actresses in the running for that role are Alice Eve (She's Out of My League), Diane Kruger (Troy, National Treasure, Inglorious Basterds) and Rosamund Pike (Pride & Prejudice, Doom, Barney's Version).
Which now begs the question: Which Superman character, other than Lois Lane, can this female lead possibly be? Could it be Lana Lang —Clark Kent's first love? Could it be his super-cousin Kara a.k.a Supergirl?
Now we hope that it doesn't mean that Lois Lane will be completely out of Man of Steel. After all, the movie is about Superman and not Superboy. It's called Superman: Man of Steel not Superboy: I'm-learning-about-who-I-am-and-what-my-powers-are.
Perhap Snyder and the WB may actually be looking for TWO female leads and are looking at this "undisclosed" one first and they don't want to spread word about Lois Lane just yet? Or maybe it's all smoke and mirrors and these actresses ARE on the short list for Lois Lane? It's possible. To have a film about Superman without Lois Lane would just be just plain wrong. Right?
So what do you think? Do you think it's possible for Lois Lane NOT to be in Superman: Man of Steel? And which character do you think these actresses may be in the running for?
Some of those actresses seem more a possibility for Kara/Supergirl than Lois. I personally would like to see the Lois character in the movie. Another name I've heard tossed around is Jessica Biel. I think she would make a very good Lois.
nobody could be better than the best:
I think that people forget that Supes dated around before finally settling down. Lori Larmaris, the mermaid girl that he wanted to marry comes to mind.
Oh, yeah Clark has certainly had a few other love interests over the years but Lois is certainly the one that comes to mind for most people. Especially those that don't read the comics.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on February 04, 2011, 10:20:43 AM
nobody could be better than the best:
...until she checked into the crazy motel....
I didn't want to go there, but thanks for doing it for me Bryan!
Oh if only I was older, I would have kept her on the straight and narrow.
I had the same crush on her as well! I remember when those Playboy pics turned up......
Superman without Lois. Impossible!! It could still be a great movie without Lois but It just wouldn't seem right. :superman
Here's why Lois Lane may be in that Superman reboot after all
With rumors flying fast and furious over the last 48 hours about a new female lead
for the upcoming Superman reboot, word has come that the character may be someone that Superman has clashed with before.
The news arrived late last week that actresses Rosamund Pike (The Surrogates), Alice Eve (She's Out of My League) and Diane Kruger (Unknown) were auditioning for a role in director Zack Snyder's new take on the Man of Steel, and that it wasn't Lois Lane. Now Latino Review has revealed via a "trusted, reliable source" that the character is a "Kryptonian villainess" going by the name Ursa.
Of course, Ursa first appeared in 1978's Superman and 1981's Superman II as the henchwoman of evil Kryptonian villain General Zod (Terence Stamp). Ursa was played in both films by British actress Sarah Douglas.
Does this mean that Zod himself will return to square off against Superman (Henry
Cavill) in the new film? No one knows. Here's what Snyder himself said recently about a rematch between Kal-El and Zod: "For now, it's just a rumor."
Latino Review's source also confirmed that Lois Lane is definitely in the film as well,
despite earlier reports that she may not be.
Just to throw another twist into the speculation running rampant online, Diane Kruger herself denied on Saturday that she was up for a role at all in Superman. Speaking to Coming Soon at a Los Angeles press conference to promote Unknown, Kruger said about the rumor, "No, it's not true."
Filming on the new Superman movie is slated to begin this summer for a Christmas 2012 release, so expect to hear more casting developments soon. Would you like to see Ursa and Zod battle Superman once again? Are you breathing a sigh of relief that Lois is apparently in the movie after all?
Quote from: Bryancd on February 04, 2011, 06:20:02 PM
I had the same crush on her as well! I remember when those Playboy pics turned up......
Oh yes indeed, me too. Such a happy pictorial, I remember her doing cartwheels or something. Remember when it was such a big deal when nude pics of celebs turned up? Nowadays it's a big deal when celebs
DON'T take their clothes off.
Back on the movie, I'd prefer they don't use Zod or Lex. A fresh movie could use a fresh villain. At least one not seen in the movies yet. Darkseid might be cool.
I agree with Rico bring on a new villain. Don't redo 2. There is so many possible villains to use why redo some from a previous movie.
New cover of EW..
So does he look like Superman/Clark Kent
I've been fine with just about every actor ever cast as Superman/Clark as far as their look. It's how they play the role that's the critical part.
I thought Brandon Roth did a good job with the role. And I liked the story in the movie. The wife and I both liked it overall. We will both go check out the new one when it hits the theaters.
Latest casting rumor below:
Viggo Mortensen is rumored to be in the running for the part of General Zod in Zack Snyder's Superman, says a story at The Hollywood Reporter.
Don't jump to any conclusions quite yet, though. Zod's involvement in the storyline is unconfirmed, and Mortensen's connection to the role is tenuous at best. The original article lists him as a "person of interest," but he's also rumored to be up for the lead in Snow White and the Hunstman, a project that would certainly preclude his involvement in the DC Comics adaptation.
Read more: Viggo Mortensen Eyed for Superman? - ComingSoon.net http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=74747#ixzz1F6dQ9YHa (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=74747#ixzz1F6dQ9YHa)
As long as he's done right (and is lacking the very strange powers like telekinesis the original movie Zod had) then I can live with Zod in this movie.
"This day we fight!" Sorry, LOTR came screaming back when Viggo was mentioned. Skeptical, but I'd like to see him in anything again. Good actor :)
King
Viggo is a really good actor and would do well in any part on the Superman reboot. I just don't want them to use a villian that has been used before.
Amy Adams is Lois Lane -- Your Move, Lex Luthor
By Scott Harris | March 27, 2011 |
Ever since director Zack Snyder announced earlier this year that British thespian Henry Cavill had been chosen to play Superman in next year's big budget reboot "Superman: Man of Steel," the number one question on everyone's lips -- besides "who the heck is Henry Cavill" -- has been "who the heck is going to play Lois Lane?"
Well, now we know the answer, as Snyder has revealed to The Los Angeles Times that Amy Adams has landed the role of The Daily Planet's ace reporter.
Adams, of course, is on a bit of a career high right now, having just been honored with her third Academy Award nomination for her role in "The Fighter." That helps explain why, for Snyder, there was never really any question who would play Superman's lady love; once he met Adams, it was game over.
"There was a big, giant search for Lois," Snyder said. "For us it was a big thing and obviously a really important role. We did a lot of auditioning but we had this meeting with Amy Adams and after that I just felt she was perfect for it."
The main selling point for Snyder? Adams' reputation for managing to remain contemporary while portraying timeless roles like the Princess in "Enchanted" and Amelia Earhart in "Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian."
"It goes back to what I've said about Superman and making him really understandable for today. What's important to us is making him relevant and real and making him empathetic to today's audience so that we understand the decisions he makes. That applies to Lois as well. She has to be in the same universe as him [in tone and substance]."
Of course, at 36, Adams is nearly a decade older than the 27-year-old Cavill. But then again, what's more modern than that? And with Snyder remaining tight-lipped about the plot, who knows, maybe the age difference is a key part of the plot. (Is the world ready for Superman's new sidekick, The Cougar?)
Whatever the case, we'll have to wait a little while to find out whether Adams and Cavill have the necessary chemistry; "Superman: Man of Steel" isn't scheduled to hit theaters until Christmas 2012.
Well, I never thought I would hear anyone call Lois Lane a "cougar"! :laugh:
Jamie loves Amy Adams. I really liked her in that" Sunshine Cleaning" movie and "Julia,Julia" was fun too.
Oh I loved her in Night at the Museum 2.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 27, 2011, 04:44:21 PM
Jamie loves Amy Adams. I really liked her in that" Sunshine Cleaning" movie and "Julia,Julia" was fun too.
Just DVR'd that movie and plan to watch with the wife tonight (Julia, Julia that is)
I think that's a pretty good pick for Lois. I tried to find a picture of Amy with dark hair (Lois usually is shown with very dark brown or black hair). Here's the closest I could find quickly.
Very good choice. She was great in Night at the Museum.
Looks like Zod is in. Boring choice! Come on people - try something new!
General Zod, who has been imprisoned in an outer-space-bound mirror since 1980's "Superman II," is being freed and returned to the big screen as part of Zack Snyder's rebooted take on the franchise. Michael Shannon will be taking on the role of the iconic villain in "Man of Steel," Warner Bros. announced on Sunday.
"Zod is not only one of Superman's most formidable enemies, but one of the most significant because he has insights into Superman that others don't," Snyder said in a statement. "Michael is a powerful actor who can project both the intelligence and the malice of the character, making him perfect for the role."
Shannon's name first entered the "Man of Steel" conversation in late March, when Deadline reported that he was one of several actors being eyed for the role. As far back as late February, Viggo Mortensen was mentioned as another candidate. All this chatter about Zod — a Kryptonian baddie with a penchant for making mortals kneel before him and who was portrayed by Terence Stamp in the original franchise — followed an assurance from Snyder back in November that the character would not appear in the new film.
"The Internet has no idea what's going on," he told Empire Magazine, adding that rumors of Zod's involvement are "just wrong."
Or not. Shannon joins Henry Cavill as Superman, Amy Adams as Lois Lane and Diane Lane and Kevin Costner as Martha and Jonathan Kent, Superman's adoptive parents. The film is slated for a December 2012 release.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1661695/michael-shannon-general-zod-superman.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1661695/michael-shannon-general-zod-superman.jhtml)
I agree they should have tried to be a little more original.
As long as it's done well, I'm OK with it. So Zod, leave your laser fingers at home! lol
Hoped for someone different, but will still go see it. They did use Lex Luthor alot. And he was great in "Superman 4: The Quest for Peace." :ohwell
The actor they chose to play him is very good though. I don't know if anyone saw Boardwalk Empire, but he played a psychotic cop in that show and was very scary and very good. I think it could be great, especially since I was NOT a fan of Zod as portrayed recently in Smallville.
Zod on "Smallville" - blahhh.
Well, it looks like more and more stuff is coming out leading us to think Zod will be the major baddie (with some help) in the Supes - rebooted reboot. Read on to the latest "rumor."
Antje Traue, a German actress best known for appearing in 2009's Pandorum, appears to be the latest name to join the cast of Man of Steel. Variety reports that Traue has been cast as the Kryptonian villainess Faora in the Superman reboot.
Faora, who first appeared in the comic books in the late 1970's, was the basis for the character of Ursa, played by Sarah Douglas in Superman and Superman II. A man-hating killer, Faora was banished to the Phantom Zone and, upon her escape, teamed with fellow Kryptonians General Zod and Jax-Ur to battle against Superman.
Faora also appeared recently on "Smallville" as the wife of Zod, so it's unclear what alterations might be made to her backstory for the big screen.
ComingSoon.net hasn't been able to confirm Variety's story as of yet, but if it is indeed the case, Traue will join Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Diane Lane, Kevin Costner and Michael Shannon for the Zack Snyder film, targeted for a December 2012 release.
Read more: Antje Traue to Battle Man of Steel? - ComingSoon.net http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=76916#ixzz1Klevt3Tw (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=76916#ixzz1Klevt3Tw)
Amazing eyes.
She's a babe of the Rico, grab a big picture my friend :)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on April 27, 2011, 10:50:52 PM
She's a babe of the Rico, grab a big picture my friend :)
Yes, again I'm ahead of the game. I should be a casting agent.
http://www.treksinscifi.com/babedaily/2011/01/19/babe-603-%e2%80%93-antje-traue/ (http://www.treksinscifi.com/babedaily/2011/01/19/babe-603-%e2%80%93-antje-traue/)
Lol it's why we love you Rico ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on April 28, 2011, 06:30:33 AM
Lol it's why we love you Rico ;)
Hehe! Now, I just have to get Katee cast in a big motion picture. She's pretty funny in interviews. I think a nice rom/com would be perfect for her!
How about a political comedy set in Australia and with space involved? I could suggest casting lol ;)
Licensing image for the movie...
Some news. They've changed the release date. Two years away now from this movie...
Warner Bros. Pictures has announced that Zack Snyder's Superman movie Man of Steel will be released in theaters on June 14, 2013 and not in December of 2012 as was previously believed.
No other films have been scheduled for that date yet.
Written by David Goyer and Jonathan Nolan, the anticipated film stars Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Diane Lane, Kevin Costner, Michael Shannon, Antje Traue, Russell Crowe, Julia Ormond, Christopher Meloni and Harry Lennix.
Read more: Man of Steel Moved to Summer 2013 - ComingSoon.net http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=80088#ixzz1SmjZdnBq (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=80088#ixzz1SmjZdnBq)
I like this bit of news.
The Daily Planet has made its latest, greatest hire: Laurence Fishburne will reportedly play Perry White, the long-standing editor-in-chief of Metropolis' go-to newspaper, in the Superman reboot "Man of Steel."
EW.com and other sources report that Fishburne has been cast as Clark Kent and Lois Lane's hard-charging, occasionally comic-relief-bestowing boss. Warner Bros., however, is not yet making the official announcement, with a rep telling MTV News the studio cannot comment on the reports.
Fishburne is joining a long line of previous Perrys, from Jackie Cooper, who played the newsman in Christopher Reeve's "Superman" films to Frank Langella, who stepped into White's shoes for 2006's "Superman Returns," to Michael McKean, who took on a short Perry arc on TV in "Smallville."
Fishburne becomes the first African-American actor to portray White. He's also, in one of those odd Hollywood confluences, one of a handful of crime-procedural vets to join "Man of Steel." After recently departing "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation," Fishburne will meet up in the Superman film with Christopher Meloni (the "Law & Order: SVU" vet who is playing a military general) and Harry Lennix (who is also playing a general and once appeared on "Law & Order: LA"). Lennix also starred with Fishburne in final two "Matrix" films.
The Fishburne casting leaves one prominent Daily Planet post unassigned. Amy Adams is playing reporter Lois Lane, while Henry Cavill is gearing up to become Clark Kent himself. So who will step up to play photographer Jimmy Olsen? Stayed tuned, because even though "Man of Steel" has been delayed until June 2013, Warner Bros. isn't wasting any time putting together the remaining in-front-of-the-camera talent.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1668388/man-steel-taps-laurence-fishburne-news-chief-perry-white.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1668388/man-steel-taps-laurence-fishburne-news-chief-perry-white.jhtml)
Here it is... our first look at Henry Cavil as Superman..
It's just one picture so it's hard to judge but I'm sure it won't stop some of you from doing so. :)
I need a cold shower. That's like geek porn. LOVE IT.
The suit is bang on. Nice texture, great centre badge, slightly sticking out like in the new comics, the cape has that awesome Roman look. He looks pretty damn good as Supes as well. Massive thumbs up from me. I'd like to see his Clark look now.
Hmmm I like it. Agree with Meds about the suit and cape. He looks like he's got a bit of an attitude, like he's not going to take any crap. :)
I'm pretty ok with that suit look. I really wonder if it will line up with the new look that DC is giving Supes in the comics? I know some early pics are out of the redesign look for the comics. I'm guessing there won't be any connection, but you never know. The thing I'm most happy about is for a change this is a more established, slightly older Superman/Clark. Looking forward to that a lot and not having to have time spent on the whole origin story yet again.
Ok - here's DC's upcoming Superman #1 cover.
Neat. Totally agree with you Rico on the established Supes and Clark.
Here's another pic I found. Smaller image of Supes, but fills in the scene a bit more.
Quote from: Rico on August 04, 2011, 09:24:00 AM
Ok - here's DC's upcoming Superman #1 cover.
But... He's got no underwear on! ;)
What a cool picture to come home from work to...right on! He looks pissed and bad ass, as a lifelong Supes fan, I'm looking forward to seeing him portayed as bit dangerous. As long as they don't tinker too much with his morality. Way pumped for this now.
Awesome pic. I like the look of the costume. And I know the wife will want to see this because she has always liked the Superman movies. And she liked the Lois and Clark tv show. Look foward to more pics but Summer of 2013 is far away.
What do you guys think.. no red undies for this new Superman..
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0015/5115/supset.jpg)
I can handle the no red undies, but that suit maybe looks padded. Hard to tell from this pic, but Superman doesn't need padding. :)
Looks awesome, the cape is the right length :)
I can't helping looking at the missing undies! Lol my brain knows there should be something there. :)
Anybody know who thats supposed to be in the black cloak?
Quote from: Dangelus on August 24, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
I can't helping looking at the missing undies! Lol my brain knows there should be something there. :)
Anybody know who thats supposed to be in the black cloak?
Maybe Zod or Ursa.
There is a rumor going around that changing the costume, even removing the undies, somehow makes it so Time?Warner doesn't have to pay the Shuster/Siegel families for using Superman, because it's altered. Don't know how true that is. Still, I guess I can live with no undies. I'm reserving judgement until I see the first trailer to get a feel of the look and story. So far, I have no idea what is going on in this movie.
I doubt that is the motivation for changing costume as I think there are other elements in the movie that belong to the families and not DC so the costume would be a very minor consideration.
More Pixs..
Very cool, I like the design on the suit.
I can't quite figure out what that weird sort of grey webbing is that runs on the sides & back and even down the legs of the suit? A bit of it on his cuffs too. Other than that, I'm pretty ok with the look of the suit.
I wonder how much of those muscles are him or the suit? He's a big boy!
Quote from: Bryancd on August 31, 2011, 08:43:33 AM
I wonder how much of those muscles are him or the suit? He's a big boy!
I think it's "mostly" him. I've read he has been working out like crazy since he got the part. Beach pic of Mr. Cavill. Kenny should enjoy this one!
Quote from: Bryancd on August 31, 2011, 08:43:33 AM
I wonder how much of those muscles are him or the suit? He's a big boy!
Looking at those pics it might not just be his muscles they've padded out! ;)
I like his haircut / style too. Reminds me of late 70s early 80s DC comic book.
Quote from: Dangelus on August 31, 2011, 09:31:24 AM
Looking at those pics it might not just be his muscles they've padded out! ;)
...might be able to suss out his religious leanings from that....
Yeah he's pretty fit.. here's a pix from his latest movie Immortals coming out 11-11-11
I find myself really digging this suit. Looks sleek and carries old elements forward... but it is alot of blue, the red trunks give you some contrast, but I like it. My childhood isn't ruined or anything.
I think the grey webbing is actually a artistic design it enhance the flow of the cape. It looks a bit weird here because the cape has been removed.
Quote from: Rico on August 31, 2011, 08:41:01 AM
I can't quite figure out what that weird sort of grey webbing is that runs on the sides & back and even down the legs of the suit? A bit of it on his cuffs too. Other than that, I'm pretty ok with the look of the suit.
They seem to be flourishes, no doubt to compensate for the lack of red shorts. Or perhaps simply the case of an overzealous designer.
Hard to really judge how it will all look on the big screen. I'll try to wait until then to make my final call on the new suit. I'm really more interested in the story, acting, character of the film. That's what will make it or break it for me. Just two more years to go until we find out! This is a summer 2013 movie!
Quote from: Rico on September 01, 2011, 08:52:10 AM
Hard to really judge how it will all look on the big screen. I'll try to wait until then to make my final call on the new suit. I'm really more interested in the story, acting, character of the film. That's what will make it or break it for me. Just two more years to go until we find out! This is a summer 2013 movie!
But I want it NOWWWWW. That's a crazy long time to wait. Over a year for post? Seems crazy. Avengers has like, 5 or 6 heroes and they're doing it in way less than that!
Almost two years for post production. One of the issues was it was going to be a holiday 2012 movie at first, but they moved it to the summer of 2013. That tacks on six months right there.
Yeah, such a long time. You know it's gonna be hyped like crazy, and a long wait can raise expectations. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm one of the crazies that liked alot of Superman Returns.
I may have said it before but the Wife and I also enjoyed Superman Returns. That part where he is walking toward the gatling gun...AWESOME! And Summer of 2013 is an awfully long time.
Quote from: Chris-El on September 01, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
Yeah, such a long time. You know it's gonna be hyped like crazy, and a long wait can raise expectations. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm one of the crazies that liked alot of Superman Returns.
Ditto!
I didn't mind Superman Returns so I'll certainly be interested in this movie :).
(Granted, I had not see any of the previous supermans before that movie)
King
A few more alternate pics of Supes in the new suit here:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=81630 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=81630)
Quote from: WillEagle on September 02, 2011, 11:37:06 AM
I may have said it before but the Wife and I also enjoyed Superman Returns. That part where he is walking toward the gatling gun...AWESOME! And Summer of 2013 is an awfully long time.
Yeah, my wife enjoyed it alot. Kinda got her into Superman with it, then we watched old Smallvilles, etc.
I keep feeling like Superman is naked in these pics without the briefs! :lol2
You know, the more I think about it, that suit is totally different and could be a way of not having to pay dues after all. Even the "S" symbol is a total redesign. It's growing on me.
Quote from: Dangelus on September 05, 2011, 10:22:43 AM
You know, the more I think about it, that suit is totally different and could be a way of not having to pay dues after all. Even the "S" symbol is a total redesign. It's growing on me.
Yeah, ever since I heard that rumor it seems more and more likely.
Check out this weird article. http://blastr.com/2011/05/could-there-be-competing.php (http://blastr.com/2011/05/could-there-be-competing.php)
A few shots have popped up showing the Kryptonian villain Faora (played by Antje Traue). More pics at the link below:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168263-man-of-steel-set-photos-reveal-faora (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168263-man-of-steel-set-photos-reveal-faora)
Russel Crowe as Jor-El. Looking pretty good i think. Also here we see General Zods costume away from the CGI motion capture suit which makes you wonder whats going on there.
Jor-El smoking just looks so,....wrong. :)
Super smokes lol
For any of you questioning Henry's (Superman's) using a padded suit or not... these pictures show the muscles are all him...
From the set of the new Superman
Lol Kenny's in a flush.
Gotta admit that I'm impressed. Looks like he's got the goods. Now if he can act, we're in business.
Oh he can act, ive seen him in a few things over here like in The Tudors.
It's like looking in a mirror! Lol
Quote from: Dangelus on October 14, 2011, 03:27:31 AM
It's like looking in a mirror! Lol
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
WOAH...that dude is STACKED. But he's sort of hairy. ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on October 14, 2011, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on October 14, 2011, 07:35:14 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on October 14, 2011, 03:27:31 AM
It's like looking in a mirror! Lol
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I can dream! Lol
Right there with ya Dan ;). I even still want to call it fake! ;) JK
King
New banner/logo for the film...
Aweseomeness :D
I dig it. Bring a bit of alien-ness to the symbol. Can't wait to see some footage of this!
Nice!
http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-scene-descriptions/166426/ (http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-scene-descriptions/166426/)
A possible description of 2 sequences from the new film:One a scene where Supes saves a man in a truck from a tornado, and the other one involves a confrontation with Zod and the army. Sounds pretty cool, and this guy seems impressed by the look of it EXCEPT there apparently is some typical Zack Snyder slo-mo stuff. I really want to see a trailer!
Pic of him with a kid...suit looks great!
I'm still not "super" happy with the suit. But I'll wait to see it in action. Great pic though!
He looks more like Superboy...man I must be getting old.
At least the S is the right size, :)
Suits from the Expo in Las Vegas...Jor-Els's costume, Faora's, (I guess the female villain) and the Super suit. Pretty cool.
Some of these designs look more like armor. Interesting choice.
Looks pretty similar to the New 52 Superman costume. Nice.
Yeah really like these suits. :)
Quote from: Dangelus on June 14, 2012, 01:47:50 PM
Looks pretty similar to the New 52 Superman costume. Nice.
I was thinking the same thing. It does have that New 52 look.
http://www.studiobriefing.net/2012/07/camcorded-man-of-steel-trailer-posted-online/ (http://www.studiobriefing.net/2012/07/camcorded-man-of-steel-trailer-posted-online/)
I know you can barely see anything...but the audio is clear...GOOD GOD. The music from "Journey to the Line" by Hans Zimmer, perfect. I got goosebumps. Can't wait to find a better version of the teaser.
WOW! If I get this excited by an image on a camcorder I can hardly see then I know it's going to be awesome!
Yeah, I am ready to see this in front of TDKR, on the big screen. Got me really pumped up!
Way too excited now. loved the clip where you see the cape flowing.
Can't wait for this. I'm with Chris in wanting to see the clip before the Dark Knight movie. Should be awesome on the big screen.
Watch it while you can!
Comic-Con: Man of Steel (2013) Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAGdMJHDOc#ws)
I like this... :superman
Teaser shown in front of "The Dark Knight Rises"
Man of Steel Teaser #1 Pa Kent HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8q3ZFCMhpY#ws)
Love the flight stream. Just magic.
So moody. I can't express how much I am looking forward to this!!!
I dont think you want to see it Chris, its not like you have anything to show you like superman. ;) LOL
Wow, Clark is is crab fisherman! That kinda rocks.
"Kryptonian Catch"
I like that part too where he is flying up in the air. Very cool. And what do you guys think of them not using 'Superman' in the title. The same thing could be said about 2 of the Batman movies. I think they should use them in the title. I do know what they are talking about when they say "Man of Steel" but not everybody would know. As far as making the $$$$ it didn't matter for "The Dark Knight". Just my thoughts.
Quote from: WillEagle on July 22, 2012, 06:40:14 AM
And what do you guys think of them not using 'Superman' in the title. The same thing could be said about 2 of the Batman movies. I think they should use them in the title. I do know what they are talking about when they say "Man of Steel" but not everybody would know. As far as making the $$$$ it didn't matter for "The Dark Knight". Just my thoughts.
When you say not everyone would know do you mean young children? Foreigners? I mean Superman is so much a part of our collective consciousness in the United States that I honestly don't know anyone who would not know the reference Man of Steel. Besides the trailers and posters make it pretty obvious.
Kevin
Yeah, I agree. Man of Steel is pretty much synonymous with Supes and you don't have to have the title Superman colon something.
Great trailer.. I like how they are using Gandalf's theme from Lord of the Rings
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on July 22, 2012, 06:24:03 PM
Great trailer.. I like how they are using Gandalf's theme from Lord of the Rings
I'm always interested when other notable soundtrack music is used in trailers. I recall the Crimson Tide theme being used over and over again in the 90's. It always made me laugh a bit.
Recut/edited...Wow!
Man of Steel featuring John Williams (Teaser Trailer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGYvRHTvXP8#ws)
Best version of the Comic Con trailer I have seen so far. Watch it fast!
SUPERMAN MAN OF STEEL - Official Trailer Comic con (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSP49Sjj7lc#)
Another...
Man of Steel | Teaser Trailer | Mixed With Comic Con Footage/Audio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRFh_tA7F8#ws)
It's so good. I WISH it was in focus but it's the best so far.
That was cool but they need to come out with a regular trailer. I guess its too early.
I just watched Superman Returns again, and I realized I'd only seen it once when it was released in the theaters. Boy my impression of it was so much better on the second viewing. I remember feeling kind of "meh" the first time, but seeing it again I really enjoyed the nostalgia, all the call backs to the original films, the music, the performances, pretty much everything was better than I recalled. Of course there's still some problems, some story elements that shouldn't have made it to the final draft and primarily for me was the problem that Brandon Routh didn't seem to be able to shake the nerdiness of Clark Kent even when he was playing Superman...there was something about his vocal performance that wasn't different enough. I'd say to everyone, though, give this film another shot before we all see the reboot. There's alot to love here.
Yeah, I agree Joby. It was a very good movie in my view too. I nice blending of old and new.
I really liked it, saw it a couple times in the theater. I think the reason it's not well liked is that it's a weird hybrid of the Reeve movies, yet wanting to be a new thing. It was fine with me, but I am for sure looking forward to a more kick-butt Supes in the new flick.
Quote from: Chris-El on September 06, 2012, 10:22:25 AM
I really liked it, saw it a couple times in the theater. I think the reason it's not well liked is that it's a weird hybrid of the Reeve movies, yet wanting to be a new thing. It was fine with me, but I am for sure looking forward to a more kick-butt Supes in the new flick.
Yes and there just wasn't a whole lot of action. Can't wait for some knock-down, drag-out battles with Zod in this next film. It was also obvious that they were banking on a sequel that never happened. We never saw any type of final confrontation with Lex Luthor after he stabs Supes in the gut...leaving him on a desert island stranded with Parker Posey doesnt seem like too bad a punishment if you ask me. Also I find it sad that it doesn't appear we will be continuing the continuity, I'd love to see some scenes with Superman training and working with his and Lois' Super-kid.
Love this pic, can't wait to see Michael Shannon as Zod...guys brilliant
(http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Michael-Shannon-Talks-Henry-Cavill-Superman-Man-of-Steel.jpg)
In looking more closely at the above pic it looks clearly faked
Yet another reason (as if any are needed) to see The Hobbit, new Supes trailer!
OH YEAH! I'm not sure what I'm going to like more now - what happens before "The Hobbit" or the movie itself. :)
Quote from: Rico on July 24, 2012, 08:40:39 AM
Recut/edited...Wow!
Man of Steel featuring John Williams (Teaser Trailer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGYvRHTvXP8#ws)
I got goose bumps when the theme song started! I love how they showed him breaking the sound barrier. I'm a huge Superman fan and now my two-year old is too. He had a Superman birthday party at his own request. He loves watching the cartoons from the 40's and 50's that are on Netflix but his favorite is the first Christopher Reeve film. I fast forward through the scary parts... he complains about the Lois Lane/Clark Kent scenes until he sees Superman enter the picture. :D I hope this film lives up to the Superman 1.
Quote from: Chris-El on November 19, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Yet another reason (as if any are needed) to see The Hobbit, new Supes trailer!
Quote from: Chris-El on November 19, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Yet another reason (as if any are needed) to see The Hobbit, new Supes trailer!
I agree!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait!!
For me this is one of the most anticipated movies coming out next year. Superman is my favorite of all of the Superheros. What little we've seen of it has looked great... can't wait until July of 2013
They just released the poster..
Yet another strange poster on this movie poster day!
Yeah, that's kind of a odd poster. And what's with the lens flare? Did JJ Abrams direct this movie too? :)
Superman Into Darkness...
Quote from: Bryancd on December 03, 2012, 03:48:26 PM
Superman Into Darkness...
Oh - I like that title! Maybe he's the JJ Verse Superman and he is all goth and gloomy! We need to get him a trench coat. LOL!
Double feature or Two for the price of One. ::)
LOL! Love it!
Another image.
Looking super :)
ta da!
Man of Steel - Official Trailer #2 [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVu3gS7iJu4#ws)
You know I adore Superman (not in that was you cheeky people) but for some reason bar the flying bit I am not feeling the love. Of course I will go and see this and I will be 'super' excited and maybe I'm just a bit tired of all teh dark trailers of late.
Quote from: Meds on December 11, 2012, 11:58:22 AM
You know I adore Superman (not in that was you cheeky people) but for some reason bar the flying bit I am not feeling the love. Of course I will go and see this and I will be 'super' excited and maybe I'm just a bit tired of all teh dark trailers of late.
I hope they don't focus too much on the origin story. I doubt there are many people left on the planet who don't know it.
Pretty sure it will be dealt with in flashbacks.
Movie looks pretty freakin amazing. So excited.
The vibe I get is that this will have a lot of origin story in it, actually. They want to show his pathos and self loathing, all that meta B.S. that's so popular these days...
Quote from: Dangelus on December 11, 2012, 01:25:24 PM
Quote from: Meds on December 11, 2012, 11:58:22 AM
You know I adore Superman (not in that was you cheeky people) but for some reason bar the flying bit I am not feeling the love. Of course I will go and see this and I will be 'super' excited and maybe I'm just a bit tired of all teh dark trailers of late.
I hope they don't focus too much on the origin story. I doubt there are many people left on the planet who don't know it.
True enough, but how many children have seen that origin on the big screen? When trying to rebuild a franchise, you aim for the new folks because it will always be hit or miss with the older ones.
I'm very intrigued by this trailer. It really has a very different vibe than past Superman films. I like that they seem to be focusing on Clark a lot and how much of an outsider he must feel like on Earth. The balance of origin and new story will always be tricky. But I'm pretty excited to see this movie.
If you think about it, the Richard Donner original 1979 film, which I saw in a private screening room at Columbia Pictures NYC HQ because I went to school and was friends with the then CEO Faye Vincent's twin bot Bill and Ted (and that was before "Bill and Ted"), did a great job of balancing the origin story with action. Kind of 40% origin/60% action. I think "Smallville", which I never watched because I could care less about Superman to be honest, proved that people are drawn to that story. I'm actually interested in seeing that story, so count e as the uber casual fan who would like to see the origin story.
I'll certainly see it - but they seem to put a dark & brooding mood into the film. That should appeal to the angst-loving audiences. :)
Quote from: Bromptonboy on December 11, 2012, 04:01:09 PM
I'll certainly see it - but they seem to put a dark & brooding mood into the film. That should appeal to the angst-loving audiences. :)
I blame Nolan. At least Joss is clever enough to be able to make a story fun and entertaining still. :)
I don't really see this as dark and brooding at all. Clark/Superman has always struggled in fitting in and how to handle the enormous power and responsibility he has to deal with. Batman is dark and brooding. Superman is not - but he is thoughtful and introspective at times. Again, it's a trailer. The entire film may have a different feeling as a whole. I think they are trying with the trailer to show a different side of the character. I just don't find it dark and brooding.
I agree Rico, I did not find this to be dark and brooding, but like you said, Clark Kent trying to find his way in the world. I am excited to see this, as it looks like the characters might be a bit deeper.
Dark and brooding, no, I don't get that from the trailer. A pensive, reflective Superman maybe. It's a good direction to go in, in my opinion. You need to humanize the character so he's relatable. A super powerful guy who always knows the right thing to do isn't that relatable to an audience.
Quote from: Chris-El on December 11, 2012, 05:17:27 PM
You need to humanize the character so he's relatable. A super powerful guy who always knows the right thing to do isn't that relatable to an audience.
Well I don't know about that! Christ has been attracting audiences for around 2000 years now with no sign of let up! (well maybe here in the Western world there has been departure and decline and even apostacy but elsewhere Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world. Especially in Africa and China)
Superman is supposed to be bigger than life. He's a role model for young and old to look up to. The kind of person we wish we were or could be. He has to be godlike in a mythological way because humans need myths to teach us moral values. The difference between good and evil. So many of the super hero characters these days are amoral and live too much in the grey but Superman has not been and I will be disappointed if they take him down the same path as other comic book super heroes.
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on December 11, 2012, 08:46:13 PM
well maybe here in the Western world there has been departure and decline and even apostacy but elsewhere Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world. Especially in Africa and China)
Just for the record, Guinness lists Islam as the fastest growing religion. Not that I equate Superman with any religion. I do think that after discovering John Carter, superman's origin is kinda ripping him off.
Both are strangers to an alien world where there alien heritage gives them both the classical superman powers. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, strong as 10 natives.
OMG.. this looks AMAZING!!!!
Good point about John Carter - I never made that connection. Not being a reader of the comics - I only know what I have seen in the Chris Reeves movies, and the old TV show from the 50's that I saw in rerun as a kid (not old enough to have seen original broadcasts!).
Hope they haven't written themselves into a corner, because now they're going to have to explain what Superman uses to shave his "Superbeard"
Quote from: Jobydrone on December 12, 2012, 08:04:36 AM
Hope they haven't written themselves into a corner, because now they're going to have to explain what Superman uses to shave his "Superbeard"
He uses a mirror and heat vision.
Quote from: X on December 12, 2012, 08:26:51 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on December 12, 2012, 08:04:36 AM
Hope they haven't written themselves into a corner, because now they're going to have to explain what Superman uses to shave his "Superbeard"
He uses a mirror and heat vision.
Yeah, I believe they have even shown that in a comic or two. Be kinda funny to see it onscreen.
Yep, he shaves using a mirror and his heat vision. Has even been shown before on screen too - besides in the comics.
I was wondering about that.. thanks for the screen grab Rico.
Ha ha just joking but thanks guys!
The Hive-mind wiki! :)
After I watched the trailer and enjoying it quite a bit, I called the wife up to watch it since her favorite Superhero is Superman, and she really liked it. She likes the new uniform too. We will be in line for this one. I don't who will be more excited me or the wife.
New Superman Man Of Steel Statue Shows Off Henry Cavill's Costume
Nice statue. The blue looks a little bit lighter here and I like that better.
It will be mine. Oh, yes....it will be mine.
Latest trailer done in Legos, nice work!
Lego Man of Steel Trailer #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFLoAa00NFs#ws)
It's not completely confirmed, but it's looking like we are getting a Jenny Olsen and not a Jimmy Olsen in this new Supes movie. She is running away with Perry White in the blurry pic below. Not a really big deal I think.
http://majorspoilers.com/2013/01/24/movies-jimmy-olsen-to-become-jenny-olsen/ (http://majorspoilers.com/2013/01/24/movies-jimmy-olsen-to-become-jenny-olsen/)
I wish they would stick with Jimmy being Jimmy not Jenny. So I do wish they would keep male characters male and females, female. Now it won't keep me from seeing the movie and I wouldn't care if it happens to be Jimmy's sister or something. A new character would be fine with me.
Silly change if you ask me.
Oh, god. Does this mean there will be a love triangle with Lois, Clark, and Jenny? I freaking hate love triangles.
New pics...
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/174681-new-images-from-man-of-steel (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/174681-new-images-from-man-of-steel)
Test screenings have had positive reviews so far. http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=74832 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=74832)
CGI cape?? blimey.
Ooooh goodie! I hope it's great. I got so hyped for the last Superman movie and was let down. It's my most anticipated movie this year (apart from Into Cumberbatch..)
Quote from: Meds on February 27, 2013, 12:46:14 PM
CGI cape?? blimey.
Makes sense, though. You don't need random vagaries of wind and movement to ruin a shot, just make it perfect in post. :)
I can't wait.. this is one of my most anticipated movies for the year.
This is high on my list as well. Hope to see another trailer soon.
New magazine cover...
He's always standing so "erect" :banned:
Actor cast picture.
First TV spot. I think footage we've seen in other trailers. But, I'm still getting pretty excited for this. Maybe I should go to see the movie in "Clark Kent" mode. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMPlzxQMWb4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMPlzxQMWb4#ws)
I'm ALMOST more excited for this than Star Trek. I have a feeling it's gonna be great, but I have nothing to base that on other than hope.
Quote from: Chris-El on April 09, 2013, 03:12:45 PM
I'm ALMOST more excited for this than Star Trek. I have a feeling it's gonna be great, but I have nothing to base that on other than hope.
I"m with you Chris.. I can't wait for this movie to come out.
EW cover. Zack Snyder says, "I'll be honest with you, there's no Kryptonite in the movie."
Article snippet- This film reveals that even on Krypton, young Kal-El was a special child, whose birth was cause for alarm on his home planet. (More on that in the magazine) And once on Earth, his adoptive parents, Ma and Pa Kent (Kevin Costner and Diane Lane), urge him not to use his immense strength – even in dire emergencies — warning that not every human would be as accepting of him as they are. So Clark Kent grows up feeling isolated, longing for a connection to others, and constantly hiding who he is. As a result, Man of Steel presents the frustrated Superman, the angry Superman, the lost Superman. "Although he is not susceptible to the frailties of mankind, he is definitely susceptible to the emotional frailties," Cavill says.
Based on footage EW has seen, the film (which was directed by Zack Snyder and shepherded by Christopher Nolan) has plenty of building-smashing, train-slinging, heat-vision-blasting battles to cut through the emotional heaviness.
I'm looking foward to this as well. But whats up with the train "slinging". Well I guess he is more powerful than a locomotive.
New pics! Zod is angryyyyyy.
Superman costume looking awesome. Classic look but with realistic looking materials...they are getting good at that these days!
I'm still not a big fan of the new costume. I don't mind the materials but I still think the colors are too muted and dirty looking for Superman. He isn't Batman hiding on rooftops. He's a symbol. Hopefully it will look good on the big screen to me. I'm really hoping they have a solid movie here. Mainly because I don't want to see yet another reboot in a few years.
I can see what you're saying about the colors. I agree that it shouldn't be too dark and moody... we definitely don't need to see emo-superman. :P
But I do like the muted color for some reason.
Another photo. Colors seem a little richer here.
Awesome!
pretty sweet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T6DJcgm3wNY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY#ws)
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
WOWOWOW!!! :superman
Just read that that is indeed some of Hans Zimmer's score in that trailer sounds pretty epic, lots of percussion.
Oh my, today is a good day for trailers.
This is looking amazing.
ZOD!!! Michael Shannon is genius casting...I'm getting so hyped for this.
Here's a question. What exactly makes Superman invincible on Earth? Density? Different gravity? What about people from Krypton makes the immortal and impervious to damage here? And why would he need to show signs of struggling lifting an oil rig if he can do so much more with ease?
Quote from: Bryancd on April 17, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
Here's a question. What exactly makes Superman invincible on Earth? Density? Different gravity? What about people from Krypton makes the immortal and impervious to damage here? And why would he need to show signs of struggling lifting an oil rig if he can do so much more with ease?
It's a complicated question - and answer. I'm not a Superman expert, but it comes down to a few things. Kryptonians under exposure to a yellow sun causes their body/cells to be altered and that causes them to be stronger, have denser tissue, and be nearly invincible on Earth. Over the years in the comics this has run the range of Superman being able to move planets to a less powerful version as he kind of is now in the books. His energy can sometimes vary so sometimes yes, it can look harder for him to do some things than at other times. It's not a perfect, clear cut thing but that's what makes it fun!
Quote from: Rico on April 17, 2013, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on April 17, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
Here's a question. What exactly makes Superman invincible on Earth? Density? Different gravity? What about people from Krypton makes the immortal and impervious to damage here? And why would he need to show signs of struggling lifting an oil rig if he can do so much more with ease?
It's a complicated question - and answer. I'm not a Superman expert, but it comes down to a few things. Kryptonians under exposure to a yellow sun causes their body/cells to be altered and that causes them to be stronger, have denser tissue, and be nearly invincible on Earth. Over the years in the comics this has run the range of Superman being able to move planets to a less powerful version as he kind of is now in the books. His energy can sometimes vary so sometimes yes, it can look harder for him to do some things than at other times. It's not a perfect, clear cut thing but that's what makes it fun!
Yes, he was waaay depowered after Crisis on Infinite Earths. Before that, he was ridiculously powerful. I believe his cells have been described as solar collectors, and that Krypton's gravity or mass and Earth's are very different and a Kryptonian would move easier. This used to manifest in leaping over buildings in a single bound, and eventually led to him flying.
Lifting an oil rig, well that's really heavy, and I think he should struggle picking it up. It should be almost the limit of what he should pick up. That island thing in Superman Returns was silly. It was made out of Kryptonite, for crying out loud. In the first movie he's completely incapacitated by a little rock on a chain. But when a character is around for 75 years, these inconsistencies happen I guess.
Trailer I just watched showed June 14! that is really soon. Just relistened to my Hans Zimmer podcast today - nice treat to hear some of his new music for Man of Steel!
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Yeah, Superman is pretty complicated power wise. The Superman before the recent changes in continuity, was powered by the yellow sun of Earth. His body projected a thin aura that allowed for protecting him and his skin tight costume from a lot of damage, cape not so much. In the new DC universe, they are running tests on him and he can was basically bench pressing the weight of the earth for five straight days. As for the flight, Lex once theorized that in order to survive on a heavy gravity world like Krypton, they developed natural anti-gravity organs and can control their own gravitational field to some extent. While this would allow them to function like normal on their home world, it would enable him to fly on other worlds.
However, for this movie I think they are toning down some of the strength. The golden age superman, before the power increases was strong enough to lift a car over his head. The current superman can lift the earth over his head. I'm guessing that this superman will be somewhere near being able to lift with the strength of around 100 to 1000 tons. Any more and he would become too powerful and any less then he couldn't pick up and hurl tanks.
Also, in regards to that last movie, that superman could lift a island with no problems and later incarnations of kryptonite were more radiation poisoning than instant debilitation. From a superman standpoint, none of the rules were broken with that particular act. This was one of the versions that was pretty powerful. However, I would like to point out that lifting a kryptonite island was still more believable and in character than a super memory erasing kiss.
Quote from: X on April 17, 2013, 06:36:04 PM
Yeah, Superman is pretty complicated power wise. The Superman before the recent changes in continuity, was powered by the yellow sun of Earth. His body projected a thin aura that allowed for protecting him and his skin tight costume from a lot of damage, cape not so much. In the new DC universe, they are running tests on him and he can was basically bench pressing the weight of the earth for five straight days. As for the flight, Lex once theorized that in order to survive on a heavy gravity world like Krypton, they developed natural anti-gravity organs and can control their own gravitational field to some extent. While this would allow them to function like normal on their home world, it would enable him to fly on other worlds.
However, for this movie I think they are toning down some of the strength. The golden age superman, before the power increases was strong enough to lift a car over his head. The current superman can lift the earth over his head. I'm guessing that this superman will be somewhere near being able to lift with the strength of around 100 to 1000 tons. Any more and he would become too powerful and any less then he couldn't pick up and hurl tanks.
Also, in regards to that last movie, that superman could lift a island with no problems and later incarnations of kryptonite were more radiation poisoning than instant debilitation. From a superman standpoint, none of the rules were broken with that particular act. This was one of the versions that was pretty powerful. However, I would like to point out that lifting a kryptonite island was still more believable and in character than a super memory erasing kiss.
The kiss was only used as a plot device to make up for blowing the wad of turning back time in Superman the Moviee. That ending was always intended to be after the Zod stuff, but after splitting up 1 and 2, they needed an ending for 1. That kiss is dumb, which is why the Donner cut has the world turning again, it was the original ending.
My point about the island is that since Returns was supposed to exist within the continuity of the Donner film(s) it seems sill that he couldn't even lift the Kryptonite NECKLACE over his head and could barely stay above water, and in that movie he lifts an island made of the same stuff. A bit silly. But it was a cool moment.
I get what you're saying, but I saw it as something different. I saw it as Superman pulling one of those feats of strength that you hear that mothers do when trying to save their kid, lifting cars and such. I saw it more of him having that same rush of strength to save the people that he loves. I haven't seen the movie in years, but I was also under the impression that it wasn't true kryptonite, but some knock-off created through the crystal and might not be nearly as effective as the real stuff when push came to shove.
Also, you really can't tell me that reversing the spin of the earth to reverse time is more believable than lifting a kryptonite island. =)
WELLLLL...OK. It's all silly. He's Superman, he does what the writers need at the time. It's funny how I accept, "Yeah he's from Krypton and he's got CRAZY powers....but not THAT much." Starting to see why my wife tunes out when I go on about this stuff.
Quote from: ChrisMC on April 17, 2013, 07:20:38 PM
Starting to see why my wife tunes out when I go on about this stuff.
Careful... mine eventually walked out!
Quote from: X on April 17, 2013, 07:17:50 PM
Also, you really can't tell me that reversing the spin of the earth to reverse time is more believable than lifting a kryptonite island. =)
I know you're being facetious but I always thought that the whole image of the Earth turning backward was more symbolic and the time travel actually occurred from the tremendous speed he was flying. Wouldn't reversing the rotation of the Earth kill everyone on the planet?
Yeah, I took the reversal as a sort of 'static observers vision' of the impact of the time reversal rather than the planet actually doing anything physically different. We were simply watching it backwards as we stayed in Superman's continuity and everything else reversed around us.
Quote from: Ricardocameron on April 17, 2013, 08:41:07 PM
Quote from: ChrisMC on April 17, 2013, 07:20:38 PM
Starting to see why my wife tunes out when I go on about this stuff.
Careful... mine eventually walked out!
Oh, she's as big a geek as I am. She just enjoys watching it more than micro-analyzing it.
Quote from: Feathers on April 18, 2013, 01:53:25 AM
Yeah, I took the reversal as a sort of 'static observers vision' of the impact of the time reversal rather than the planet actually doing anything physically different. We were simply watching it backwards as we stayed in Superman's continuity and everything else reversed around us.
Yeah, that's what I always figured. He was doing his own 'slingshot manuever'.
I always hated that spinning the Earth backwards, not sure why but as a kid i didnt like it and i still dont. Could be because it was the traumatic death of Lois (suffocating through soil) lol
Quote from: Jobydrone on April 17, 2013, 08:51:53 PM
Quote from: X on April 17, 2013, 07:17:50 PM
Also, you really can't tell me that reversing the spin of the earth to reverse time is more believable than lifting a kryptonite island. =)
I know you're being facetious but I always thought that the whole image of the Earth turning backward was more symbolic and the time travel actually occurred from the tremendous speed he was flying. Wouldn't reversing the rotation of the Earth kill everyone on the planet?
Yeah, it would kill everyone, that's why I find the island more believable. As to traveling back in time ... no, he really reversed time by reversing the spin of the earth, then went back the other way to get time flowing back in the right direction. If he had traveled back in time, he would have met himself in all of the flying. Nothing says look at me like a blur running around the world. If it was time travel then past supes would have had to notice that huge effect.
Thought this was cute.
Funny stuff. And it's zombie Superman!
I like that post, Chris. I never even thought about that until I saw that.
Man of Steel - Title Sequence [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRdDjpBAFA#ws)
Fan-Made Opening sequence...I would not be disappointed at all if this was what the actual movie's opening looked like. Gave me the chills. Watch in HD.
Quote from: ChrisMC on April 25, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Man of Steel - Title Sequence [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRdDjpBAFA#ws)
Fan-Made Opening sequence...I would not be disappointed at all if this was what the actual movie's opening looked like. Gave me the chills. Watch in HD.
That's pretty cool. I like it.
I agree, That was cool.
New poster...
Just made that my background!
Badass poster. ICONIC. :thumbsup
I agree. Feelin good about this movie. Little over a month to go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=66IlpP3LIHE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=66IlpP3LIHE#)!
17 minutes of score samples...some crazy drums in there!
AND WB has put the excellent Trailer 3 music online: https://soundcloud.com/watertowermusic/mos_poster/s-LYFjd (https://soundcloud.com/watertowermusic/mos_poster/s-LYFjd)
Giving it a listen right now. Sounds great! Zimmer is so amazing... I don't own that many soundtracks, but two of them are Zimmer: Gladiator and Thin Red Line. Might end up with this one too. That drum section you're talking about is sweet, reminds me of taiko drumming which I love. The quiet piano samples in this are powerful. :thumbsup
Tie in to National Guard ads with footage from the movie mixed in. Nice idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIR6DlCKqyo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIR6DlCKqyo#ws)
Cool music.
TV spot from the UK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LcpERalJ50#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LcpERalJ50#ws)
Quote from: Ktrek on December 11, 2012, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on December 11, 2012, 05:17:27 PM
You need to humanize the character so he's relatable. A super powerful guy who always knows the right thing to do isn't that relatable to an audience.
Well I don't know about that! Christ has been attracting audiences for around 2000 years now with no sign of let up!
I have always rejected comparisons of Superman and Christ. The two are entirely too different. Even leaving aside that one is the messiah of a major real religion that is and remains a driving force in western civilization, their character arcs are very different.
JC starts out with the semblance of an ordinary life, but once the calling comes he leaves it behind and he's clear on where he's going and how it has to end: ascension back to his celestial state. No hanging around to fight crime and certainly no love triangle conundrums. (No, I am not a Christian).
Superman on the other hand, is really in the Hercules mold; a hero of partly otherworldly origins who might one day leave Earth behind, for in the interim chooses to live among humanity and use his godly power as a champion. He can do big things, but he also shares a lot of the same cares that the ordinary folk do and more. Hercules had a rather sad life in many ways and I think the better versions of Superman's story have reflected the same issues. Superman can fly, but much of the mundane happiness that ordinary people can have is hard, perhaps impossible, for him to attain.
A character doesn't necessarily have to be relatable, but does need to be believable. I think that's the real issue with versions of Superman that get too powerful. When he reaches island-lifting, planet juggling levels, it rings false that he'd still be spending the bulk of his week pretending to be Clark Kent, doing a regular job and putting up with the headache-inducing task of juggling the impact of his secrets on the people around him. If you're the one man who can lift islands, you're wasting your time by insisting on holding down a grunt-level job in journalism. Let one of the millions of people who can't lift islands do that job while you get on with doing island-lifting level things.
WB just released a new poster.. it's pretty awesome...
Yeah - that's a great poster! :)
that poster looks awesome.
Another image...
Sweet S poster and cool new image.
This movie is gonna be great.
Supes is going to kick major butt!!!
New trailer is out.. the more I see of this the more excited I am for it.. can't wait..
Man of Steel - "Fate of Your Planet" Official Trailer [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOF03DUoWc#ws)
i know i have said it in other places i post on.
i am so ready for this movie to come out. just like star trek, i am hittting the trailer sites hard.
i don't know if you have HARDEE'S/CARL'S JR where you are?( a fast food burger place in the US) they are having collectable cups, sadly they are not cool plastic or glass they are more like big solo cups, but they do have the man of steel characters on them, there will be four, i got the first one and it is just the S , like in the poster.
Just saw the trailer. Looks even more amazing!
Another image....
Love that the new trailer shows more of Zod. I've said this before but Michael Shannon is just perfect, genius casting for the part. Anyone who hasn't seen the movies "Take Shelter" or "Bug", stop what youre doing and seek them out immediately. Not kidding, especially Take Shelter for one of the most overlooked gems of recent years.
I agree, I really enjoyed Take Shelter. A great movie.
So excited to see this. The action looks amazing.
That poster that was posted by Rico is available at Wal-Mart for $5! They had a display of shirts, posters and other what nots for the new movie. There was also a huge action figure about 31 inches tall. Plus you can buy advanced screening tickets from Wal-Mart for your local theater.
Here's a cool featurette.. not to spoilery..
Man of Steel - BEHIND THE SCENES FEATURETTE HD (2013) SUPERMAN MOVIE - MEGATRAILER TV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbQnhP3KO-I#ws)
very cool, thanks for posting that
1 week to go!
Quote from: ChrisMC on June 07, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
1 week to go!
I can't wait.. I have gone radio silent.. not more featurettes, no TV ad, no movie ads, no clips or articles.. I don't know a whole lot about this Man of Steel and I want to keep it that way until I see it on Friday (hopefully Wednesday if I can get into a prescreening that the PGA is having).
Agggh! It's been SO long since I was this excited for a movie. Some folks have seen an early preview today and on Reddit the reviews are GLOWING. woohoo!
That's great news. I can't wait!
Some great pics here from the big premiere event yesterday in Hollywood.
http://www.imdb.com/media/index/rg1327012352?ref_=hm_snp_t1 (http://www.imdb.com/media/index/rg1327012352?ref_=hm_snp_t1)
OOo Amy Adams how i love thee.
She is adorable. Hottest Lois yet.
LOL, Honest trailers did one for SIV:The Quest for Peace. I forgot how awful that movie was....still not as bad as Batman and Robin.
Honest Trailers - Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWNqbqcV4dU#ws)
Probably going to see this Sat. with some of the family. Me, wife, Dad, stepmom, and hopefully my middle brother and his son.
Quote from: Meds on June 12, 2013, 12:34:12 PM
OOo Amy Adams how i love thee.
Lols. So true...
21 million on opening day, gonna be a pretty big weekend for this movie.
Dean Cain finds out that there's a new Superman movie....pretty funny.
Dean Cain Learns About New Superman Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhbla-76Tg0#ws)
Awesome clip! Dean Cain is a good sport.
Saw it last night.. no spoilers.. I loved it, it's defiantly different then what's come before.
Man of Steel Soars to $56.1 Million Already!
Source: ERC Box Office
June 15, 2013
After a stellar Thursday night of $21 million, including $12 million from Thursday 7pm screenings and $9 million from midnights, Warner Bros. Pictures' Man of Steel soared to $44.1 million on Friday (including those $9 million midnights) and has already reached $56.1 million total domestically. The Superman movie looks to heading passed the $130 million mark by the end of the weekend, which is definitely beyond the studio's expectations.
Starring Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Michael Shannon, Kevin Costner, Diane Lane, Laurence Fishburne, Antje Traue, Ayelet Zurer, Christopher Meloni, Russell Crowe, Michael Kelly, Harry Lennix and Richard Schiff, the Zack Snyder-directed Man of Steel opened in 4,207 theaters and received a strong A- CinemaScore from audiences, which means that word-of-mouth will play a big factor in how big the movie will do at the box office.
We'll have more on the domestic box office results tomorrow as well as international estimates.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=105540 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=105540)
Yay! I'm going tomorrow with my dad and kids!
If you have ever loved Superman, this is your movie. As a 30-something year reader, it just gets so much right. It gets right into the story, and unlike the last Batman movie, I wasn't just waiting for Supes to show up. Deals with Clark's story in its' own unique way, and I really liked it. Russell Crowe is badass as Jor-El, and Costner is pretty heartbreaking as Jonathan Kent. Cavill has some real gravitas as Supes, and I really, reeally liked Amy Adams as Lois. Great casting all around, there's even some folks from STAR labs! Nice nods to the comics. Krypton is the wacky sci-fi version from the comics, I ate it up. My FAVORITE change in all of this is [spoiler]Lois using her ace reporter skills to find out that Clark is an alien/superhero BEFORE he comes out as Superman. It really improves her character, and in my opinion, the Lois/Clark relationship. Lot of trust there. [/spoiler]
I'd be interested to hear what complaints people will have against the film, I really don't understand the bad reviews. I got teary a few times during this movie. Packs a whallop emotionally and with the CRAZIEST ACTION EVER is a superhero flick.
I have two weeks to wait to see the film as I'm up to my eyes in work and networking and honestly I seriously can't wait.
I saw this movie today, and both myself and my wife really enjoyed it. I found it had a lot of action and also a lot of heartfelt moments as well. Very well cast in my opinion, and I felt Henry Cavill really captured Superman for me. I saw it in 3D, and it was fine, but the 3D felt a bit lite, so I suspect if someone saw it in 2D they would not miss much in that aspect.
[spoiler]I liked how they handled the back story on this with flash backs. I found that they were all meaningful and helped out round out Superman and who he is. For me I usually don't care for origin parts in stories as I just feel it slows things down, so I liked how they approached this. I also liked how they caught up with Superman, well into his adulthood, and somewhat of a drifter. Gave him a real world feeling to me.
There was a lot of action in this, pretty much leveled Metropolis, and it looked impressive. I guess a nit pick for me, was at times it seemed a bit repetitive. It seemed superman would attack Zods army again and again with pretty much the same results. As well, Zod's army was pretty much invincible to human weapons, but they would keep firing at them and doing nothing. I guess one could argue what else could the humans do anyways with what they had.
The final battle between Superman and Zod was pretty impressive, and they sure went pretty much every place a super hero and villain could go. I thought they captured Supermans anguish as the end with what he had to do with Zod. Really captured Superman for me and how he looks out for humans.
Nice little bit at the end as well between Superman and the General, where the military has an alliance with Superman, but still keeping tabs on him, and he is not going to just follow their orders. Should make for an interesting relationship in followup movies.[/spoiler]
Yeah, I've been quizzing everybody I know who's seen the movie...and they all loved it. Waiting to see what Rico thinks after he sees it, but the critics are dead wrong on this one. So say we all.
Saw the movie today and loved it!! :)
The wife and I both really enjoyed the movie. I didn't like as well as the new Star Trek but boy the fight scenes were amazing. Very well done! [spoiler]I liked the way they did the back story but I don't remember in any Superman book that I read where Pa Kent died from a tornado. I didn't think I would like the drifter part based on the previews but it was well done. I'm a big baseball fan so I thought the part where he was wearing a Royals t shirt was pretty cool. The end fight was awesome. When Superman started to rise up from where he was laying and flew into Zod was really cool. I was really wondering what Superman was going to do with Zod when he deafeated him. Well I soon found out. Kinda surprised but what else could he had done. A prison wouldn't hold him. Also how much did IHop have to pay for them to feature it in the movie. And to have a major fight inside it. That had to cost a fortune!!![/spoiler]
Saw this today with my younger son and enjoyed it quite a bit. I've always said Superman/Clark is one of the toughest comic characters to bring to life and I think they did a really good job. The casting was nearly perfect I thought. Henry Cavill made a great Superman and Amy Adams as Lois was awesome. I have a few little issues and some things I wish they had done a bit different that I will talk more about next weekend on the podcast, but overall this is a really good Superman movie.
Good movie.. I liked it.. not much more to say that hasn't already been said. Go See it!!
ok, i haven't seen it yet, but i am so confused, lol y'all all like it, i have seen others who don't. i guess i will just have toi see it for myself and decide.
Quote from: fatfather_2005 on June 17, 2013, 09:37:10 AM
ok, i haven't seen it yet, but i am so confused, lol y'all all like it, i have seen others who don't. i guess i will just have toi see it for myself and decide.
Well, we can be split on movies here...you should see it for sure.
Crazy/Unreal rumor of the day: Man of Steel Sequel in 2014 (?) and Justice league in 2015. I doubt they could do a turnaround on this so fast when it took them 2 years to finish this one. But, hopefully the BO success is lighting a fire at Warners/DC.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/16/report-man-of-steel-sequel-in-2014-justice-league-in-2015/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/16/report-man-of-steel-sequel-in-2014-justice-league-in-2015/)
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Quote from: fatfather_2005 on June 17, 2013, 09:37:10 AM
ok, i haven't seen it yet, but i am so confused, lol y'all all like it, i have seen others who don't. i guess i will just have toi see it for myself and decide.
Well, we can be split on movies here...you should see it for sure.
Crazy/Unreal rumor of the day: Man of Steel Sequel in 2014 (?) and Justice league in 2015. I doubt they could do a turnaround on this so fast when it took them 2 years to finish this one. But, hopefully the BO success is lighting a fire at Warners/DC.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/16/report-man-of-steel-sequel-in-2014-justice-league-in-2015/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/16/report-man-of-steel-sequel-in-2014-justice-league-in-2015/)
I would imagine they would want to do one more origin story of another superhero before they do Justice League movie. I mean we know Christan Bale is not coming back as Batman.. but maybe Joseph Gordon-Levitt will take on the cape crusader for Justice League. They need to do a Flash or Wonder Woman origin story first IMO.
I want Bruce Wayne as Bats, and so does DC. If its not Bale I would expect a re-Bat-boot.
I'm back from a 3D matinee! Very much enjoyed the movie, with some reservation....
[spoiler]I very much liked the initial scenes on Krypton. I think they did a good job setting up the backstory, although I felt Russell Crowe was a bit bland and one note. To be honest, it was all a bit muddles as to what everyones motivations were, but it moved along and was visually interesting. Clearly the art department folks are fans of Gieger, which I appreciate. I also felt the use of flashback interspersed with present day a very economical form of exposition and I think the scenes with you Clark and the Kent family are the strongest in the movie and the one's with the most real emotion and heart. Kevin Kostner and Diane Lane "Steel" the show. :) And I really liked the two young actors playing Clark Kent, perhaps more so then Caville, I will get to that. I kind of wish in retrospect the film makers had been a bit more brave and make this more of an origin story. I don't mean recreate the TV series Smallville, which I never watched, but I really enjoyed watching young Clark struggle and the quiet strength of his father.
Instead we get right to it. In the ship, meet Dad, in the suit, hello world! The scenes in the Fortress of Solitude ship and learning to fly were really fun, I very much enjoyed that. The action set pieces certainly were something, I was amazed at how much crap they destroyed. And can someone, anyone explain to me why in these superhero movies we have to show the Army trying to fight with limited weapons when they clearly know they won't work? Watching a squad of soldiers with rifles trying to take out the super bad chick, who I really liked, she was great, is just dumb but every one of these films does it. The stuff in Metropolis was exciting, I actually liked Fishburn trying to save his employee and then waiting with her to die, nice touch. A lot of fans are complaining about how Superman destroys what's left of the city while fighting Zod but really Zod had trashed the place and likely killed tens of thousands already, so I didn;t ut that on him. And the choice he had at the end to kill Zod or save the family I felt was appropriate and in character.
I hate to say it because I think she is a nice actress, but Amy Adams Lois Lane was really one note. I don't blame her, but she never came across as a credible journalist or hard ass or love interest for Clark, that felt VERY forced. And speaking of one note, or maybe two, the score and music. Two notes played in repetition going up the scale with kettle war drums pounding. Can we PLEASE have someone write a decent score for a film! What is with the drums and repetition of cues?! STAR TREK is the same way and so was Batman. It works once, maybe twice, but by the end of the film it looses all gravitas. And gravitas is a good word for our new Superman. He's not as unlikeable and brooding as the new Bruce Wayne, but Henry Caville never had an opportunity to really shine. He was so dour and monotone. Christopher Reeev could convey emotion and still have a little twinkle in his eye. This guy lacks that, hopefully in the sequel he will have more opportunities to smile a bit more.
But all in all I had a lot of fun. I will say this, I am OVER the INTO DARKNESS trend in movies. Enough already. I just can't help but think with a John Williams fanfare and a little more humor, this film could have really been great. [/spoiler]
One more thing..
[spoiler]This movie was a BSG/Matrix Reloaded, Revolution reunion party! And seriously, are the Matrix movies old enough now that we can blatantly rip them off?[/spoiler]
Interesting comments Bryan even if I don't agree with some of the stuff you said. I've followed Superman in comics and in all of his TV and film appearances and while I enjoyed the film too, my reservations are in other areas than the things you bring up. But I'm saving most of my comments for the podcast next weekend with Chris.
Just got back from the second view of Man of Steel.. took my Dad for a bleated Father's Day.. loved it the first time.. loved it even more the second time around.. planning a third viewing soon... maybe in IMAX.
All right, Superfans, answer me this...
[spoiler]What's with all the fan rage over Superman killing Zod. He threw Zod down a bottomless chasm in Superman 2 and no one seemed to care.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on June 18, 2013, 10:07:43 AM
All right, Superfans, answer me this...
[spoiler]What's with all the fan rage over Superman killing Zod. He threw Zod down a bottomless chasm in Superman 2 and no one seemed to care.[/spoiler]
Even in the comics, he's done the same. People have ideas that are not actually grounded in reality.
Well, in general....
[spoiler]Both Superman and Batman do not kill. It's just not something they do and they avoid it at all costs. Even for the nutjobs like Zod and the Joker. So, to have Superman snap Zod's neck was really a pretty big move. Yes, he has killed before but again it's something very hard for him to do from a character stand point. It really is hard for him. I'd love to see in the next film Superman/Clark be a little haunted by this act of killing Zod. But I think the film made it work and it didn't bother me as a fan of the character.[/spoiler]
OK, I understand that in the abstract but the fact is...
[spoiler]In Superman 2 not only does he kill Zod but the the big guy jumps, can't fly, and falls to his death and Lois punches the chick and she falls to her death and the scene is played for laughs. Yet there is zero outrage back in 1980 or sonce and the film is well loved. It's so profoundly hypocritical is absurd.[/spoiler]
This is why I think....
[spoiler]It's much more visceral and real in the new film when Superman snaps Zod's neck and then screams out in anguish. Falling into that weird mist junk in Superman 2 isn't nearly as powerful or dramatic. Are we even sure they died in Superman 2?[/spoiler]
I think
[spoiler] is ambiguous if they actually die in the Lester cut of the movie because in the original Donner cut isn't there a scene at the end where they are arrested then Superman blows up the fortress? Its been a while since I watched it.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Dangelus on June 18, 2013, 11:20:07 AM
I think
[spoiler] is ambiguous if they actually die in the Lester cut of the movie because in the original Donner cut isn't there a scene at the end where they are arrested then Superman blows up the fortress? Its been a while since I watched it.[/spoiler]
Well, it wasn't ambiguous to me as a kid watching it and I don't recall there being any confusion as to what occured.
[spoiler]I was wondering why he screamed in anguish about breaking Zod's neck but didn't seem to have any problem with causing the rest of the Kyptonians get sucked up into a singularity.[/spoiler] Overall though I thought the ending was really well done, moving, and emotional.
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I think
[spoiler] is ambiguous if they actually die in the Lester cut of the movie because in the original Donner cut isn't there a scene at the end where they are arrested then Superman blows up the fortress? Its been a while since I watched it.[/spoiler]
Well, it wasn't ambiguous to me as a kid watching it and I don't recall there being any confusion as to what occured.
Perhaps yes back then it wasn't and I agree the Lester cut does seem to portray this. Just found it interesting that it wasn't the original intention.
Look..
[spoiler]He killed some super powered very bad folks who were going to destroy Earth. He didn't seem to do so in a cavalier, dismissive way. I would suggest the end of Superman 2 was handled much more casually. Yet everyone keeps trotting out this trope that Superman doesn't kill and yet he does in these instances.[/spoiler]
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Quote from: Bryancd on June 18, 2013, 11:24:16 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 18, 2013, 11:20:07 AM
I think
[spoiler] is ambiguous if they actually die in the Lester cut of the movie because in the original Donner cut isn't there a scene at the end where they are arrested then Superman blows up the fortress? Its been a while since I watched it.[/spoiler]
Well, it wasn't ambiguous to me as a kid watching it and I don't recall there being any confusion as to what occured.
Perhaps yes back then it wasn't and I agree the Lester cut does seem to portray this. Just found it interesting that it want the original intention.
From what I understand it ends the same way in the original comics, so this canon goes way back.
I get what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with you. I guess people have their own idea of who Superman is and it doesn't always match up to canon.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 18, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
I get what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with you. I guess people have their own idea of who Superman is and it doesn't always match up to canon.
Yeah, and i don't take exception witrh that perception, I like my Superman pure and above al the ugliness. It just seems to be an over reaction likely driven by the fact that 24 years since Superman 2 people can hop on the internet and have thei fanboy rage read.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 18, 2013, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 18, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
I get what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with you. I guess people have their own idea of who Superman is and it doesn't always match up to canon.
Yeah, and i don't take exception witrh that perception, I like my Superman pure and above al the ugliness. It just seems to be an over reaction likely driven by the fact that 24 years since Superman 2 people can hop on the internet and have thei fanboy rage read.
[spoiler]I'm with you Bryan.. don't understand why folks are flipping out over this death, like he's never killed before.. I'm more dismayed at all the people he helped kill while battling Zod in the middle of Metropolis. How many buildings did they demolish? I feel like Superman would have tried to get Zod away from the already decimated area[/spoiler]
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Quote from: Bryancd on June 18, 2013, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 18, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
I get what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with you. I guess people have their own idea of who Superman is and it doesn't always match up to canon.
Well, I would agree, but [spoiler]Having tried to wrangle my kids when they are being surly in public and move them somewhere out of the way, it doesn't always work out with out some destruction. And Zod is a superpowered guy who's just lost his genetically programmed purpose and was throwing a big-ass tantrum. He was going to kill and kill. And people bitching about Supes killing Zod 'being un-Supermanlike' gloss over SM2 when he let all 3 of the Phantom Zone criminals fall to a bloody death, hell he laughed when Lois punched Ursa to her death. In this one, he was completely AGONIZED about killing Zod and the last vestige of his race.[/spoiler]
Yeah, and i don't take exception witrh that perception, I like my Superman pure and above al the ugliness. It just seems to be an over reaction likely driven by the fact that 24 years since Superman 2 people can hop on the internet and have thei fanboy rage read.
[spoiler]I'm with you Bryan.. don't understand why folks are flipping out over this death, like he's never killed before.. I'm more dismayed at all the people he helped kill while battling Zod in the middle of Metropolis. How many buildings did they demolish? I feel like Superman would have tried to get Zod away from the already decimated area[/spoiler]
Well, I would agree, but [spoiler]Having tried to wrangle my kids when they are being surly in public and move them somewhere out of the way, it doesn't always work out with out some destruction. And Zod is a superpowered guy who's just lost his genetically programmed purpose and was throwing a big-ass tantrum. He was going to kill and kill. And people bitching about Supes killing Zod 'being un-Supermanlike' gloss over SM2 when he let all 3 of the Phantom Zone criminals fall to a bloody death, hell he laughed when Lois punched Ursa to her death. In this one, he was completely AGONIZED about killing Zod and the last vestige of his race.[/spoiler]
Quote from: ChrisMC on June 18, 2013, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on June 18, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 18, 2013, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 18, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
I get what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with you. I guess people have their own idea of who Superman is and it doesn't always match up to canon.
Well, I would agree, but [spoiler]Having tried to wrangle my kids when they are being surly in public and move them somewhere out of the way, it doesn't always work out with out some destruction. And Zod is a superpowered guy who's just lost his genetically programmed purpose and was throwing a big-ass tantrum. He was going to kill and kill. And people bitching about Supes killing Zod 'being un-Supermanlike' gloss over SM2 when he let all 3 of the Phantom Zone criminals fall to a bloody death, hell he laughed when Lois punched Ursa to her death. In this one, he was completely AGONIZED about killing Zod and the last vestige of his race.[/spoiler]
Yeah, and i don't take exception witrh that perception, I like my Superman pure and above al the ugliness. It just seems to be an over reaction likely driven by the fact that 24 years since Superman 2 people can hop on the internet and have thei fanboy rage read.
[spoiler]I'm with you Bryan.. don't understand why folks are flipping out over this death, like he's never killed before.. I'm more dismayed at all the people he helped kill while battling Zod in the middle of Metropolis. How many buildings did they demolish? I feel like Superman would have tried to get Zod away from the already decimated area[/spoiler]
Well, I would agree, but [spoiler]Having tried to wrangle my kids when they are being surly in public and move them somewhere out of the way, it doesn't always work out with out some destruction. And Zod is a superpowered guy who's just lost his genetically programmed purpose and was throwing a big-ass tantrum. He was going to kill and kill. And people bitching about Supes killing Zod 'being un-Supermanlike' gloss over SM2 when he let all 3 of the Phantom Zone criminals fall to a bloody death, hell he laughed when Lois punched Ursa to her death. In this one, he was completely AGONIZED about killing Zod and the last vestige of his race.[/spoiler]
Dude, I have been saying that for the last 2 pages. :)
Right on. I'm bad at going backwards.
Try and keep up. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on June 18, 2013, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: ChrisMC on June 18, 2013, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on June 18, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 18, 2013, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 18, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
I get what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with you. I guess people have their own idea of who Superman is and it doesn't always match up to canon.
Well, I would agree, but [spoiler]Having tried to wrangle my kids when they are being surly in public and move them somewhere out of the way, it doesn't always work out with out some destruction. And Zod is a superpowered guy who's just lost his genetically programmed purpose and was throwing a big-ass tantrum. He was going to kill and kill. And people bitching about Supes killing Zod 'being un-Supermanlike' gloss over SM2 when he let all 3 of the Phantom Zone criminals fall to a bloody death, hell he laughed when Lois punched Ursa to her death. In this one, he was completely AGONIZED about killing Zod and the last vestige of his race.[/spoiler]
Yeah, and i don't take exception witrh that perception, I like my Superman pure and above al the ugliness. It just seems to be an over reaction likely driven by the fact that 24 years since Superman 2 people can hop on the internet and have thei fanboy rage read.
[spoiler]I'm with you Bryan.. don't understand why folks are flipping out over this death, like he's never killed before.. I'm more dismayed at all the people he helped kill while battling Zod in the middle of Metropolis. How many buildings did they demolish? I feel like Superman would have tried to get Zod away from the already decimated area[/spoiler]
Well, I would agree, but [spoiler]Having tried to wrangle my kids when they are being surly in public and move them somewhere out of the way, it doesn't always work out with out some destruction. And Zod is a superpowered guy who's just lost his genetically programmed purpose and was throwing a big-ass tantrum. He was going to kill and kill. And people bitching about Supes killing Zod 'being un-Supermanlike' gloss over SM2 when he let all 3 of the Phantom Zone criminals fall to a bloody death, hell he laughed when Lois punched Ursa to her death. In this one, he was completely AGONIZED about killing Zod and the last vestige of his race.[/spoiler]
Dude, I have been saying that for the last 2 pages. :)
I feel I need to repeat [spoiler] that it wasn't filmed that way. The scene where Zod is arrested in Superman 2 was cut. I doubt that they even thought about it seeming they died and Superman and Lois certainly didn't act like they were killing them, hence the laughing. I'm not denying that it doesn't explain their fate in the released version but the argument of whether Superman kills or not needs a stronger example.[/spoiler]
Well, what's on film is canon, deleted scenes and alternate takes don't count. And is SM2, I would argue that the intent is to show that the villains are dead and gone.
As a 12 year old in the theater, there was no ambiguity. They were killed and the hero's were celbrating. And apparently Zod is also killed in the comics. So we have film and comic canon in agreement on this.
Ah heck just tell them its a parallel universe / reboot so this Superman can do what the hell he likes! ;)
I've seen Superman II many, many times. From my point of view, I still was unsure if Zod and the rest were dead or not. So,...
[spoiler]Again, seeing Superman snap the neck of Zod in the new film is very in your face and different so I can understand some of the fans not liking this.[/spoiler]
Watch this clip from the Justice League (funny thing is this action in the clip does start a parallel Earth in a way). I think some interesting stuff related to this discussion. By the way this series is on Netflix and is well worth watching. This is from season two.
Superman kills Lex Luthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0MRaLVATJ8#ws)
Here is another bit of confusion for me. The Phantom Zone. In Supermkan 1 and 2, it was that pane of glass that gobbles them up and spins off into the cosmos. Seeing their faces in glass pleading to be forgiven and set free I though was VERY spooky and effective and I understood this was a very bad place to be stuck. So now in this film...
[spoiler]They are frozen into a Giger'esque rocket penis and launched into a ship that later we discover is fully armed and capable, and sent through a sperm Stargate? Did I get that right? Hwere did they actually go. To qoute Dr. McCoy, what if they went no where? Seemed like they got a sweet deal as they are released as soon as Krypton implodes and they are fine...and have a sweet ship![/spoiler]
One other question regarding the Fortress of Solitude...
[spoiler]Or in this case the 20,000 year old ship. How would it be possible for a El family suit be in the ship ready for Kal-el?[/spoiler]
'It's a reboot they can do what they like."
This is what you all tell me when I criticise Star Trek.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 09:10:45 AM
'It's a reboot they can do what they like."
This is what you all tell me when I criticise Star Trek.
I feel STAR TREK is absolutley a reboot in terms of how I consume the new stuff. This film I had no real dog in the fight, so reboot or slavish recreation didn't matter to me as I am not very invested in the source material like I am with Trek.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 07:20:06 AM
One other question regarding the Fortress of Solitude...
[spoiler]Or in this case the 20,000 year old ship. How would it be possible for a El family suit be in the ship ready for Kal-el?[/spoiler]
Good point.. I never questioned that.
[spoiler]Maybe when Jor El was downloaded to the ship a schismatic of the suit was also download and the ship created it.. I wouldn't put it past their level of technology. [/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 09:10:45 AM
'It's a reboot they can do what they like."
This is what you all tell me when I criticise Star Trek.
I feel STAR TREK is absolutley a reboot in terms of how I consume the new stuff. This film I had no real dog in the fight, so reboot or slavish recreation didn't matter to me as I am not very invested in the source material like I am with Trek.
Exactly. Its double standards. Because this isn't one of your precious franchises you find it acceptable to question creative decisions but shoot down or dismiss others who do the same to other properties. I'm not trying to be offensive here but that's how it's coming across a bit.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 09:10:45 AM
'It's a reboot they can do what they like."
This is what you all tell me when I criticise Star Trek.
I feel STAR TREK is absolutley a reboot in terms of how I consume the new stuff. This film I had no real dog in the fight, so reboot or slavish recreation didn't matter to me as I am not very invested in the source material like I am with Trek.
Exactly. Its double standards. Because this isn't one of your precious franchises you find it acceptable to question creative decisions but shoot down or dismiss others who do the same to other properties. I'm not trying to be offensive here but that's how it's coming across a bit.
For sure, but that in and of itself is the very definition of fandom. I have no problem with people not liking the new STAR TREK films, but I will debate with greater vigor those criticisms more then I will for a franchise like Superman. My review was postive but I had some issues. Same with Into Darkness, I felt the whole Admiral Marcus part was ill conceiveds and executed and Khan was too under utilized.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 07:03:10 AM
Here is another bit of confusion for me. The Phantom Zone. In Supermkan 1 and 2, it was that pane of glass that gobbles them up and spins off into the cosmos. Seeing their faces in glass pleading to be forgiven and set free I though was VERY spooky and effective and I understood this was a very bad place to be stuck. So now in this film...
[spoiler]They are frozen into a Giger'esque rocket penis and launched into a ship that later we discover is fully armed and capable, and sent through a sperm Stargate? Did I get that right? Hwere did they actually go. To qoute Dr. McCoy, what if they went no where? Seemed like they got a sweet deal as they are released as soon as Krypton implodes and they are fine...and have a sweet ship![/spoiler]
In the Supergirl movie the Phantom Zone is an actual place and that is set in the same continuity as the Superman movies.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 09:10:45 AM
'It's a reboot they can do what they like."
This is what you all tell me when I criticise Star Trek.
I feel STAR TREK is absolutley a reboot in terms of how I consume the new stuff. This film I had no real dog in the fight, so reboot or slavish recreation didn't matter to me as I am not very invested in the source material like I am with Trek.
Exactly. Its double standards. Because this isn't one of your precious franchises you find it acceptable to question creative decisions but shoot down or dismiss others who do the same to other properties. I'm not trying to be offensive here but that's how it's coming across a bit.
For sure, but that in and of itself is the very definition of fandom. I have no problem with people not liking the new STAR TREK films, but I will debate with greater vigor those criticisms more then I will for a franchise like Superman. My review was postive but I had some issues. Same with Into Darkness, I felt the whole Admiral Marcus part was ill conceiveds and executed and Khan was too under utilized.
Well you know I'm going to disagree with your interpretation of fandom and how your rules of conduct vary between discussing franchises so I'll leave it. Lol
Note to self...find the Rule of Conduct Book... ;)
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Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 07:20:06 AM
One other question regarding the Fortress of Solitude...
[spoiler]Or in this case the 20,000 year old ship. How would it be possible for a El family suit be in the ship ready for Kal-el?[/spoiler]
Good point.. I never questioned that.
[spoiler]Maybe when Jor El was downloaded to the ship a schismatic of the suit was also download and the ship created it.. I wouldn't put it past their level of technology. [/spoiler]
That's kind of what I figured as well Kenny. One thing about Zod that I changed my mind about post seeing the film...
[spoiler]I spent most of the movie not finding him to be a little shrill but the moment where he discusses how he was made to defend his people, I actually felt a lot of sympathy towrds him.[/spoiler]
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Quote from: Geekyfanboy on June 19, 2013, 09:17:52 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 07:20:06 AM
One other question regarding the Fortress of Solitude...
[spoiler]Or in this case the 20,000 year old ship. How would it be possible for a El family suit be in the ship ready for Kal-el?[/spoiler]
Good point.. I never questioned that.
[spoiler]Maybe when Jor El was downloaded to the ship a schismatic of the suit was also download and the ship created it.. I wouldn't put it past their level of technology. [/spoiler]
That's kind of what I figured as well Kenny. One thing about Zod that I changed my mind about post seeing the film...
[spoiler]I spent most of the movie not finding him to be a little shrill but the moment where he discusses how he was made to defend his people, I actually felt a lot of sympathy towrds him.[/spoiler]
Yep same with me Bryan.. I even went one step further.
[spoiler]I didn't see Zod as a "bad" guy. He was created to preserve his race and that's what he was doing, unfortunately it was at the cost of the human race. I think he became the "bad guy" at the point when he realized that there was no chance of saving his race and he was going to destroy what Superman holds dear to him... the human race.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on June 19, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 10:10:54 AM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on June 19, 2013, 09:17:52 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 07:20:06 AM
One other question regarding the Fortress of Solitude...
[spoiler]Or in this case the 20,000 year old ship. How would it be possible for a El family suit be in the ship ready for Kal-el?[/spoiler]
Good point.. I never questioned that.
[spoiler]Maybe when Jor El was downloaded to the ship a schismatic of the suit was also download and the ship created it.. I wouldn't put it past their level of technology. [/spoiler]
That's kind of what I figured as well Kenny. One thing about Zod that I changed my mind about post seeing the film...
[spoiler]I spent most of the movie not finding him to be a little shrill but the moment where he discusses how he was made to defend his people, I actually felt a lot of sympathy towrds him.[/spoiler]
Yep same with me Bryan.. I even went one step further.
[spoiler]I didn't see Zod as a "bad" guy. He was created to preserve his race and that's what he was doing, unfortunately it was at the cost of the human race. I think he became the "bad guy" at the point when he realized that there was no chance of saving his race and he was going to destroy what Superman holds dear to him... the human race.[/spoiler]
Yeah, and he seemed to have a sense of regret over that, almot resigned to his role in the universe.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 09:43:50 AM
Note to self...find the Rule of Conduct Book... ;)
It's filled under "conscience" :-)
Internet chat forums, let's not put too fine a point in it...
I still have not seen this yet and will be going next week. Looking forward to reading all these thoughts and comments and spoiler tags.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 01:04:44 PM
Internet chat forums, let's not put too fine a point in it...
I deal with people I talk to online as honestly and consistently as those I deal with face to face.
Quote from: Meds on June 19, 2013, 01:39:19 PM
I still have not seen this yet and will be going next week. Looking forward to reading all these thoughts and comments and spoiler tags.
I've read some interesting changes that I'm not sure I'm to thrilled about but I'm looking forward to it.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 02:22:26 PM
I deal with people I talk to online as honestly and consistently as those I deal with face to face.
Now Dan, after all this time would you seriously consider me to be any different? Often to the consternation of those around me, if I am anything, it's consistent. :)
And it is off topic but the implication that to be biased towards something you hold dear vs. that which you don't is not poor form, it's simply a reflection of what you are passionate about, your veiled hint at hypocrisy not withstanding.
Can't wait 'till Star Wars 7 comes out...THINGS GON' HEAT UP 'ROUND HERE!
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 02:42:14 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 02:22:26 PM
I deal with people I talk to online as honestly and consistently as those I deal with face to face.
Now Dan, after all this time would you seriously consider me to be any different? Often to the consternation of those around me, if I am anything, it's consistent. :)
And it is off topic but the implication that to be biased towards something you hold dear vs. that which you don't is not poor form, it's simply a reflection of what you are passionate about, your veiled hint at hypocrisy not withstanding.
Bias is fine, we all have a bias but to reject discussion or criticism of one property when it suits you then make the same arguments yourself just isn't cricket...
Quote from: ChrisMC on June 19, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
Can't wait 'till Star Wars 7 comes out...THINGS GON' HEAT UP 'ROUND HERE!
SW7 is going to be great. It'll keep JJ away from Star Trek! :-)
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 02:57:01 PM
Bias is fine, we all have a bias but to reject discussion or criticism of one property when it suits you then make the same arguments yourself just isn't cricket...
I have no idea where this is coming from, Dan. I thought we were just discussing this film, you seem to be bringing a lot of extra baggage on board. Who do you feel is rejecting discussion or criticism?
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 02:57:01 PM
Bias is fine, we all have a bias but to reject discussion or criticism of one property when it suits you then make the same arguments yourself just isn't cricket...
I have no idea where this is coming from, Dan. I thought we were just discussing this film, you seem to be bringing a lot of extra baggage on board. Who do you feel is rejecting discussion or criticism?
Don't want to off topic this thread too much but...
I just feel it should be a level playing field no matter which franchise an individual is trying to discuss. You've admitted yourself you change the rules depending whether you are invested in the subject or not. In this thread you query a plot hole inviting discussion which is great but Star Trek plot hole discussion is played down.
What rules? It's an online conversation, broken down into little sound bites spread over days and weeks. I don't change the rules, I change my level of interest. If I can see beyond a plot hole in one film but point it out in another, what rule am I breaking? Your Code of Conduct? Should we all just agree on everything? That would be pretty dull. And if you have a bee in your bonnet over something in the Into Darkness thread, then bring it up there and I will respond otherwise, moving on...
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 04:09:18 PM
What rules? It's an online conversation, broken down into little sound bites spread over days and weeks. I don't change the rules, I change my level of interest. If I can see beyond a plot hole in one film but point it out in another, what rule am I breaking? Your Code of Conduct? Should we all just agree on everything? That would be pretty dull. And if you have a bee in your bonnet over something in the Into Darkness thread, then bring it up there and I will respond otherwise, moving on...
The horse is well and truly flogged Bryan. I am starting to believe you're not actually aware of the things I am trying to convey to you. Lol
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 04:09:18 PM
What rules? It's an online conversation, broken down into little sound bites spread over days and weeks. I don't change the rules, I change my level of interest. If I can see beyond a plot hole in one film but point it out in another, what rule am I breaking? Your Code of Conduct? Should we all just agree on everything? That would be pretty dull. And if you have a bee in your bonnet over something in the Into Darkness thread, then bring it up there and I will respond otherwise, moving on...
The horse is well and truly flogged Bryan. I am starting to believe you're not actually aware of the things I am trying to convey to you. Lol
No Dan, I am aware of the criticism you are attempting to level at me and I am suggesting I have no intention of being lectured by you. You have now drifted into insulting me personally, so we can keep going if you like. Mate, if you want to have a go at me, let's have it.
Anyway...
If memory serves in Superman 2, when he brought Lois to the Fortress of Solitude, wasn't there a but where Lois almost falls into the chasm and Superman garbs and her and warns her to be careful? If so they are setting up our understanding that to fall into the chasm would be very bad. So it's difficult to see how the intention of the three villains falling in there was anything less then their demise.
Not trying to insult you but we do this all time. I question your logic, you blow up for bit then you chill out and but we get nowhere. It's frustrating! :)
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 04:43:10 PM
Anyway...
If memory serves in Superman 2, when he brought Lois to the Fortress of Solitude, wasn't there a but where Lois almost falls into the chasm and Superman garbs and her and warns her to be careful? If so they are setting up our understanding that to fall into the chasm would be very bad. So it's difficult to see how the intention of the three villains falling in there was anything less then their demise.
I believe that Lester intended for us to believe that they did die. Unfortunately he used existing footage that was filmed in such a way because the original intention was that they lived. This makes Superman seem very callous but I agree people didn't bat an eyelid at the time.
I'm not sure if the scene you describe was originally there or an addition although thinking the latter may be giving them too much credit.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 04:51:43 PM
Not trying to insult you but we do this all time. I question your logic, you blow up for bit then you chill out and but we get nowhere. It's frustrating! :)
Well, I wouldn't presume to debate that. :)
Look, it's a logic fallacy to argue a point of view that may seem to you to be contradictory. It's not. I may have given Into Darkness a pass on plot points you found lacking and I didn't but that is the nature of how we each experience a film, completely subjective. I never said you were wrong, you can't be wrong when it comes to an opnion. If I disagree, I am free to argue the contrary. But you can't apply some random egalitarian Rules of Conduct to something which is subjective.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 05:01:48 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 19, 2013, 04:43:10 PM
Anyway...
If memory serves in Superman 2, when he brought Lois to the Fortress of Solitude, wasn't there a but where Lois almost falls into the chasm and Superman garbs and her and warns her to be careful? If so they are setting up our understanding that to fall into the chasm would be very bad. So it's difficult to see how the intention of the three villains falling in there was anything less then their demise.
I believe that Lester intended for us to believe that they did die. Unfortunately he used existing footage that was filmed in such a way because the original intention was that they lived. This makes Superman seem very callous but I agree people didn't bat an eyelid at the time.
And thus the situations in this new film need to be considered in that light. Yet there seems to be collective amnesia regarding this.
Yes, absolutely Bryan. People always give things they love due to nostalgia or whatever a pass on iffy things. I just re-watched SM 1 and 2 and kinda winced at some hinky moments, but loved watching them all the same. People seem to be less forgiving of new stuff based on the stuff they liked as a kid. I guess if the internet was around in 1978, some 40 year old guys would be saying how much Christopher Reeve is no George Reeve and this isn't the Superman I grew up with, blah, blah.
Superman 2 is a bit of a disaster the reality is we remember it fondly through nostalgia. Don't get me wrong, some great bits in it but other this not so great such super powers made up on the spot for plot sake.
You couldn't possibly mean THIS?
And this
They live! :-)
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 05:28:42 PM
They live! :-)
I don't think that you realize what everyone else is saying. That's not what happened in the film. It might have happened in a cut if it, but it doesn't count, it wasn't shown in theaters, and it has never been official. Officially, they died.
Right, so to argue that what occurs in the new film is somehow a departure from the previous isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. It is a logical fallacy to argue what occurred in Superman 2 was anything but what it was.
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Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 05:28:42 PM
They live! :-)
I don't think that you realize what everyone else is saying. That's not what happened in the film. It might have happened in a cut if it, but it doesn't count, it wasn't shown in theaters, and it has never been official. Officially, they died.
I do know this and I do agree that it was we are supposed to believe. My comments were around the attitude of the characters in the scene being quite nonchalant and the reason why they were is it wasn't filmed with the intention they were killing them. I wasn't disagreeing with anybody for a change :)
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 10:06:46 PM
Quote from: X on June 19, 2013, 05:34:15 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 19, 2013, 05:28:42 PM
They live! :-)
I don't think that you realize what everyone else is saying. That's not what happened in the film. It might have happened in a cut if it, but it doesn't count, it wasn't shown in theaters, and it has never been official. Officially, they died.
I do know this and I do agree that it was we are supposed to believe. My comments were around the attitude of the characters in the scene being quite nonchalant and the reason why they were is it wasn't filmed with the intention they were killing them. I wasn't disagreeing with anybody for a change :)
I think that people get ideas about characters and those ideas shape the characters, but are not necessarily the character. Bat-man who never kills, used guns and in one instance just swung by a criminal leaning out of a window and broke his neck. The heroes have killed, but later as times changed, they were nerfed.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/TLamCjJiRPI/AAAAAAAAH80/LDvmrhlPSMw/s1600/Detective+030-10.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Omd4IqRPiNc/T1-fmmjqwGI/AAAAAAAAAY8/KTfp6FUzIB4/s1600/action+javelin.png)
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/115299/2543431-Superdick3.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/Nik_TehPimpXor/LightningDick.jpg)
Brilliant examples. People forget the characters have been around so long and their actions evolve with what society find acceptable for the time.
I don't think people forget, I think people have their own individual impressions and opinions that are formed over time. And this is why people see things differently, or as Obi-Wan would say, "from a different point of view." This is why opinions vary and some people will have to agree to disagree. No one is right and also no one is wrong.
[spoiler]It's really simple. The fans that have trouble with Supes killing Zod in the new movie have their idea of Superman as a character who normally doesn't kill. And overall, it's definitely true that Superman has tried very hard not to kill. A few times of having to kill over the years in various incarnations doesn't turn Superman into the Punisher or Wolverine. I've followed the character for a very long time. My version of the character is that he works very hard at being a symbol for the people - not a killer. Heck, that theme was played out in Man of Steel over and over. So again, while I'm mainly ok with what he was forced to do to Zod, I completely understand why that would bother some fans.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on June 20, 2013, 05:06:39 AM
I don't think people forget, I think people have their own individual impressions and opinions that are formed over time. And this is why people see things differently, or as Obi-Wan would say, "from a different point of view." This is why opinions vary and some people will have to agree to disagree. No one is right and also no one is wrong.
[spoiler]It's really simple. The fans that have trouble with Supes killing Zod in the new movie have their idea of Superman as a character who normally doesn't kill. And overall, it's definitely true that Superman has tried very hard not to kill. A few times of having to kill over the years in various incarnations doesn't turn Superman into the Punisher or Wolverine. I've followed the character for a very long time. My version of the character is that he works very hard at being a symbol for the people - not a killer. Heck, that theme was played out in Man of Steel over and over. So again, while I'm mainly ok with what he was forced to do to Zod, I completely understand why that would bother some fans.[/spoiler]
Right, and for those of us who are only familiar with the character from the films (and The Justice LEague cartoon in the '70's, loved that show) are going to have a different sensibility.
Let's not forget a lot of people weren't BORN to remember their characters any differently.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 20, 2013, 05:09:54 AM
Quote from: Rico on June 20, 2013, 05:06:39 AM
I don't think people forget, I think people have their own individual impressions and opinions that are formed over time. And this is why people see things differently, or as Obi-Wan would say, "from a different point of view." This is why opinions vary and some people will have to agree to disagree. No one is right and also no one is wrong.
[spoiler]It's really simple. The fans that have trouble with Supes killing Zod in the new movie have their idea of Superman as a character who normally doesn't kill. And overall, it's definitely true that Superman has tried very hard not to kill. A few times of having to kill over the years in various incarnations doesn't turn Superman into the Punisher or Wolverine. I've followed the character for a very long time. My version of the character is that he works very hard at being a symbol for the people - not a killer. Heck, that theme was played out in Man of Steel over and over. So again, while I'm mainly ok with what he was forced to do to Zod, I completely understand why that would bother some fans.[/spoiler]
Right, and for those of us who are only familiar with the character from the films (and The Justice LEague cartoon in the '70's, loved that show) are going to have a different sensibility.
Exactly! Some of the fan reaction you have been seeing Bryan is from the fans who can tell you what every color of Kryptonite does to Superman (yes, there are many colors of Kryptonite besides green). :)
Exactly, which sort of proves the point people are going to be passionate about different things and to be honest we need to be accepting of that but we certainly don't have to like it or even support it.
LOL!
http://io9.com/the-most-important-scenes-from-man-of-steel-as-i-remem-516405346 (http://io9.com/the-most-important-scenes-from-man-of-steel-as-i-remem-516405346)
I like this article in reference to the Man of Steel and the controversy that surrounds it. He brings up alot of good points. And some things I never even though of.
http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/521147-editorial-shut-up-about-the-man-of-steel-controversy (http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/521147-editorial-shut-up-about-the-man-of-steel-controversy)
Quote from: Dangelus on June 20, 2013, 05:10:36 AM
Let's not forget a lot of people weren't BORN to remember their characters any differently.
We don't hold your youth and inexperience against you... ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on June 20, 2013, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 20, 2013, 05:10:36 AM
Let's not forget a lot of people weren't BORN to remember their characters any differently.
We don't hold your youth and inexperience against you... ;)
Haha actually I loved watching the old George Reeves serials and although I wasn't a DC reader in general I have memories of Superman comic reading in the 1970s.
just got back from the movie... mixed feelings about it. I really liked it for the most part, except for....[spoiler]Too much destruction, I actually got tired of it... and I thought it was ending and then took off for another 15 minutes of 911, over and over and over. And maybe I'm kind of a whimp.. but.... Superman, snapping Zod's neck? What? Couldn't he have found a way to get him in the Phantom zone? I mean, Zod was going to take out three measly humans, Superman just got done smashing a bunch of buildings and probably killing thousands of humans. Hmmmmmmm [/spoiler]
It was a bit too long for me, reminded me a lot of the Avengers movie, but not quite as good.
Rick, what do you think about 12 and 11 year olds seeing it?
I don't know Pete-
[spoiler]there was so much destruction and assumed death... Not sure what that would be like for young person. I guess it depends on what they have been exposed too. [/spoiler]
Thanks, I'll avoid this one for the present with the family. We'll see the new Pixar flick instead. :)
Quote from: Bromptonboy on June 22, 2013, 08:19:59 AM
Thanks, I'll avoid this one for the present with the family. We'll see the new Pixar flick instead. :)
[spoiler]There might be a lot of destruction but you see very few deaths. (I like to think that most of the people evacuated before the destruction. I think it's okay for kids 10 and above. [/spoiler]
I'm with you on that Kenny. Star Trek had done crazy destruction when the skip crashed, and they didn't show people evacuating. If an alien thing landed in the center of town and started busting stuff up, I'd sure as hell be running away from it!
But I would agree the city destruction and shots of people in harms way were much more prevalent in MOS then ST. MOS clearly made an effort to show some people were going down.
My kids 9, 6, and 4 were not fazed at all by the violence in Man of Steel, but they're not overly sensitive to that kind of stuff.
My son has a thicker skin - my daughter not so much.
Quote from: Jobydrone on June 22, 2013, 02:52:47 PM
My kids 9, 6, and 4 were not fazed at all by the violence in Man of Steel, but they're not overly sensitive to that kind of stuff.
Yeah, it certainly is not graphic or gratuitous.
I hope everyone enjoys the in depth discussion on the movie Chris and I do for this week's podcast. Of course, spoilers abound during our chat.
well, i am a lil slow in seeing the movie, but i finally saw it, lol
i loved it, i have been reading reviews on the web, a lot of mixed reviews, but all are one or the other, ( like it, or hate it)no in betweens.
first off, this could be long, lol i am still drinking what i saw in.
i loved the view of kryton as a world full of life, and one i haven't thought of .
i am not spoiling anything for anyone, because there are still those who haven't seen it yet. ( shocking i know, but , lol)
the way the movie is edited is to show a life in reflection, not a straight forward way, that way you see clark's life and how he was taught to hide what he was, but not in fear but for fear of what will happen if he is found out.
if you want to make a comparation between the first movies and this one, is this the fight between zod and superman is straight out of SUPERMAN 2, lol the characters' names maybe not be the same it, i saw it, lol they are the same, lol
i also saw a few of what i call in jokes, or maybe a better way of saying is the brands in the movie, LEXCORP, WAYNE ENTERPRISES satellite, and even them calling clark "joe"( one of the creaters names). now the first two are there, the thing with joe may just a name they picked. i just thought it was funny.
in my last post just up there, i didn't reply on what violance, i will say this, if anyone has PTS( i think i am doing that right, lol you know what i mean)
it could trigger it, the almost levelig of smallville and metrolis(sp)
the fist fight between superman and the baddies are like that in THOR, i know, talking about MARVEL in a DC comic reply, i should be spanked, lol
the violance is needed because ZOD is a warrior so he only knows war.
Pretty neat guide to some easter eggs that abound in MOS:
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/man-of-steel-easter-eggs/12574 (http://www.movies.com/movie-news/man-of-steel-easter-eggs/12574)
JUST SEEN IT. Ok so being a huge Superman fan I stayed away from all your comments (guys really, I should smack your heads together for all the bickering)
So the film. I loved it, a little long and the end army fight dragged on but hey that's a small complaint. I think it was Bryan who mentioned the score, I agree we could have done with a really good theme (not a copy of the Willians score a totally new one).
The flash backs were beautifully imagined and Costners acting was first rate. Had me welling up with the "you are my son" his death was a lot more poignant than just dropping down from a heart attack. In this his death is to protect Clark until the time is right for him to really show himself. A lovely sacrifice.
Amy Adams came across as a brilliant Lane, using her skills to seek out Clark not only showed that she is a skilled reporter but it jumps straight through all the will they won't they crap. I enjoyed the fact she was true to heroism, she stood by what she believed (very much the arc of early superman comics)
Henry nailed Superman and I disagree with Bryan he did a have a twinkle in his eye all the time, the scene where he asks Lois to step back ooozzzeed the humour that we have become to love from the Chris Reeve films. He looked good, he had that Superman charm (which lacks in near on any other comic book film)
General Zod, what a bastard. Lets face it if you want evil you have it here personified. This is what a villain is and he got what he deserved. His death was perfect, sorry may sound flippant but it worked for several reasons. One Supes new he would never stop killing Humans, he said it countless times. The other reason was we now do t have to worry about him coming back lol (no Khan crap here thank you)
Oh chunky Fishburne, he's stopped the old Matrix training but who cares what a refreshing and honest take on Perry White. He looked after his staff and was in essence the captain of his ship except he didn't die like the countless other people in Metropolis.
Yes thousands would have died there, and in India (no one remembers that though do they) but and this is important it's a comic book film. Realism and also after thought goes out the window wether you like it or not. If you want realistic reaction to death and destruction them watch the Paris scene in Team America.
So final thoughts, bit too much same scene destruction at the end but bar that a fantastic film, a credit to the name of Superman and I look forward to more of the same team.
8 out of 10.
Great review, glad you enjoyed it!
Good stuff Meds. Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I liked Zod's portrayal, especially considering the concept of gentic programming which is his primary motivation. I still found Henry a bit dour but he does the physicality great and I am sure he will be a little less serious in future films. My issue with Lois is simply she just didn't read as credible to me, I think I was turned off my her initial scene with the military chaps and they tried to make her seem assertive. And then the bit with the camera in the space ship reminded me of that scene in Prometheus with the worms and the dumb scientists. :)
Thanks Jobe.
I'll agree with you there Bry with those scenes with Lois but I think she certainly makes up for it later, she almost grows up the further into the film.
With Henry I think we'll see more sly smiles from him especially in the role of Clark. We only see him for less than a few minutes with the specs on so I reckon we'll have more humour (let's face it Superman and Ckark have to be two different characters) in between changes.
I will say I loved the suit, really liked it. I still miss the yellow shield on the cape but I understand its because if the CGI cape (which I didn't notice was not real, kudos to the team).
Glad you liked it Meds!
Posted this on Facebook and thought it was pretty funny.
Lol ace
We regards to the cape and the symbol on the back I think it was a design choice not to have the symbol on the cape. There are many production pics of a real cape being worn. If they wanted the symbol on the cape I think they could have put it there - even for the CGI cape shots. Plus, I think they wanted to keep the symbol only on the chest since it has deep Kryptonian significance.
Maybe, either way I still miss it.
I'm with Meds, I missed it too.
After seeing it again and paying attention to details and dialogue a bit more, I feel I can validly answer people's criticisms of several points, particularly the destruction in Metropolis. Liked it EVEN better the second time. It's a really, really well done movie.
I've not been able to see this film yet but would really like to but there are such disparate opinions of personal friends and what you guys say that I'm wavering on whether I really want/need to see this film. The place I work at has about 75% college students working and out of the ones that have seen it only one person liked it and he was/is a "comic book" fan. Most have said it was too long and kind of "boring". They also felt the sfx were too much and not enough story (kind of unusual for a college crowd but that's what makes me uncertain even more).
Kevin
Got to see the movie yesterday and looks like a lot of what I thought has already been stated. I enjoyed it, good action movie, not bad by way of story either, but I had some issues with it.
[spoiler]Like others have said the amount of destruction was just way to extreme for me. Sure Superman saved the world, but I could stop thinking about how many people died and how much damage he and Zod caused. It really through me out of the movie. The scale of destruction that would have been like 9/11 times 100, and after it's like life just went on like nothing happened for all these characters.
Then another thing I didn't like was Zod's death. That last big fight between them I really don't think was necessary. I understood his character until that point when he decided to destroy Earth for vengeance. I think he would have been a much more powerful villain to me without the whole revenge need. I think they should have pushed his soul purpose of defending Krypton being his only driving force, and when it's all lost I would have rather seen a man so alone and like the last of his world, not unlike Clark feeling alone.[/spoiler]
Just my thoughts, I think studios many times would rather make a huge action scene than craft emotional and good story some times.
Careful on spoilers still please.
Quote from: Rico on June 30, 2013, 01:05:25 PM
Careful on spoilers still please.
Sorry, my bad...
Well I watched it. It was ok. Definitely felt like a hard Sci Fi movie, not like a superhero movie, never mind a Superman movie.
I didn't have many problems with it. A few script issues in the use of certain terminology and it was heavy on the action in a very condensed part of the film. The conclusion and other things discussed in the spoilers I sort of agree could have been done better but...
II was actually quite surprised at how little action there was across the whole thing apart from that end section. Very well made and visually stunning.
So has anyone seen this about Chris Reeve making a fleeting appearance in the film.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Did-Christopher-Reeve-Have-Secret-Cameo-Man-Steel-38254.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Did-Christopher-Reeve-Have-Secret-Cameo-Man-Steel-38254.html)
I think that is great if true - and it seemed to be true to me.
Quote from: Meds on July 08, 2013, 11:57:12 AM
So has anyone seen this about Chris Reeve making a fleeting appearance in the film.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Did-Christopher-Reeve-Have-Secret-Cameo-Man-Steel-38254.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Did-Christopher-Reeve-Have-Secret-Cameo-Man-Steel-38254.html)
Yeah, I was aware of it going into see the movie and saw it. :)
That's cool! I thought I noticed that when I watched the movie, but it was so quick I wasn't sure.
I caught it better on my second viewing. It's there, I love it.
I didn't notice it. Where was it?
I don't think it's true, when you look at the stills, I just don't see it