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Title: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Rico on August 24, 2010, 12:51:28 PM
Sounds like a nice piece of hardware.  Out next month:



The rumors are now reality: Samsung on Tuesday showed the world its first glimpse of the Samsung Galaxy Tab, the company's new 7-inch tablet.

Samsung posted a teaser video on its Web site; Samsung Mobile will release more information about the Galaxy Tab on September 2 in advance of IFA Berlin 2010. Meanwhile, speculation builds that Apple will also release a 7-inch version of the iPad at a September event.

The details on the Galaxy Tab are thin, but here's what we know thus far. The Tab will run on Android 2.2 and feature full Web-browsing and video calling. The short clip also implied that the Galaxy Tab will sport an HD screen for video, Flash support (something it seems the iPad will never have), support for e-books, possible GPS navigation, and PC linking. The few shots of the screen's keyboard look promising, as do the brief flashes of the built-in apps. The device itself is black, with a few buttons below the touch display and the Samsung logo up top. There's no word on pricing yet.

Meanwhile, the Apple iPod event that has become a September tradition in San Francisco has yet to be announced. The Web was recently abuzz with rumors of a mini iPad also being announced alongside the new iPod crop, but Apple rarely shows off new products ahead of events, and since there has been no official word from the Apple camp, all we can do is speculate.

One thing is certain: if and when a new iPad mini hits the scene, it will have, arguably, its first serious competitor in the Samsung Galaxy tab, though Fusion Garage and Archos have released tablets with varying degrees of success.

Stay tuned for a full review of the Samsung Galaxy Tab on PCMag.com.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368214,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368214,00.asp)
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bromptonboy on August 24, 2010, 01:34:32 PM
Hmm, looks promising - but I still need to see the details (where the Devil is  -as always!).  I wonder if it has a forward facing camera?
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: X on August 24, 2010, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: Bromptonboy on August 24, 2010, 01:34:32 PM
Hmm, looks promising - but I still need to see the details (where the Devil is  -as always!).  I wonder if it has a forward facing camera?
Yeah it does. Top right near the name.

I'm interested and I'd like to see more, but I like what I see so far.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on August 24, 2010, 02:28:38 PM
I wish Samsung would release a smartphone that was actually worth anything.  No, Mobile Windows is NOT good.  Stick to Droid or something else. 

But that looks pretty neat for a tablet.

King
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: X on August 24, 2010, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on August 24, 2010, 02:28:38 PM
I wish Samsung would release a smartphone that was actually worth anything.  No, Mobile Windows is NOT good.  Stick to Droid or something else. 

But that looks pretty neat for a tablet.

King
King, they stopped using windows mobile for a while now. Windows 7 is the new mobile os for windows and it's pretty good.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: QuadShot on August 24, 2010, 08:55:04 PM
This actually looks pretty cool. Hmm, Star Trek reality! Yikes, I might ACTUALLY live to see the future! :)
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Rico on August 25, 2010, 07:10:15 AM
Here's a little comparison and some more details comparing this to the iPad:

The launch of the first iPad contender is impending. The Samsung Galaxy Tab is scheduled to launch in Germany on September 2, and it is assumed that it will be available in the United States sometime this fall as well. Since the obvious comparison is Galaxy Tab vs. iPad, let's take a look at how the two tablets stack up against each other.

Size

A teaser video provides a glimpse at what the Samsung Galaxy Tab has to offer.The Samsung Galaxy Tab is smaller than the current Apple iPad (although rumors suggest a smaller 7-inch iPad model is in the works). The iPad is almost the size of a standard sheet of paper at roughly ten by eight inches, and it weighs a pound and a half. We don't yet know the weight of the Galaxy Tab, but based on a video teaser the size appears to be similar to the Amazon Kindle.

Display

The iPad has a 9.7-inch touchscreen display capable of 1024x768 resolution. As the smaller size mentioned above implies, the Galaxy Tab display is smaller. The Samsung tablet uses a 7-inch display originally thought to be limited to 800x600 resolution, but newer speculation is that it is 1024x600.

Processor

Apple designed a custom A4 processor for the iPad. It is a high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip running at 1GHz. Sources report that the Galaxy Tab will run on a similar 1GHz ARM processor.

Operating System

While the iPad runs a version of Apple's iOS, the Galaxy Tab will run on its primary mobile OS competitor--Android. The iPad is currently stuck on yesterday's iOS with version 3.2.2. It is slated to get an update to iOS 4 very soon, which will add functionality like nested folders and multitasking. The Galaxy Tab will reportedly come out of the gate with the cutting edge Android 2.2, a.k.a. "Froyo".

Apps

Both the Apple and Android app stores have more than enough variety to meet the needs of virtually any user. Granted, the Apple App Store has crossed the 250,000 apps mark, while the Android Market lags somewhere around 100,000, but at some point it becomes like the Cold War nuclear arms race between the United States and the Soviet Union: how many times do you need to be able to blow up the whole planet?

Features

Many of the features are similar, but this is one area where the Galaxy Tab doesn't just compare, but can set the bar for what to expect in the next-generation iPad. Based on the video, it appears that the Galaxy Tab has both front and rear-facing cameras, and is capable of video chat. The Galaxy Tab is also expected to support Adobe Flash, and possibly be able to play HD video.

Intangibles

When it comes to making an actual purchase, it rarely boils down to comparing spec sheets. There are intangible factors that come into play. How much does it cost? Which wireless providers support the device?

The Galaxy Tab will have the benefit of riding the wave of tablet demand created by the Apple iPad, but it is also at a disadvantage compared with the three million plus unit jumpstart the iPad has. Still, there are people who love Apple and iOS, and there are people who love Android. The Galaxy Tab looks to be a very capable device and will at least offer a worthy challenger in the tablet market.


source:
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204089/samsung_galaxy_tab_v_apple_ipad_how_do_they_compare.html?tk=hp_new (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204089/samsung_galaxy_tab_v_apple_ipad_how_do_they_compare.html?tk=hp_new)
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 07:45:45 AM
I wish them luck, they're going to need it. ;)
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Rico on August 25, 2010, 07:49:01 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 07:45:45 AM
I wish them luck, they're going to need it. ;)

Plenty of room for another player or more in this market space.  And if they price it right, I think they will do well.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 08:15:13 AM
For sure, the Droid has been a great seller mainly due to the fact it's on the Verizon network. I would assume that this will also have a Verizon data package. The biggest challenge will be what happens when Apple opens up their mobile devices to the VZ pal;tform next year.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on August 25, 2010, 08:47:44 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 08:15:13 AM
For sure, the Droid has been a great seller mainly due to the fact it's on the Verizon network. I would assume that this will also have a Verizon data package. The biggest challenge will be what happens when Apple opens up their mobile devices to the VZ pal;tform next year.

Still in disbelief over this notion that Apple is coming next year.  I wish they'd just come out and say it so I know what to tell Verizon when my contract ends. 

Quote from: X on August 24, 2010, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on August 24, 2010, 02:28:38 PM
I wish Samsung would release a smartphone that was actually worth anything.  No, Mobile Windows is NOT good.  Stick to Droid or something else. 

But that looks pretty neat for a tablet.

King
King, they stopped using windows mobile for a while now. Windows 7 is the new mobile os for windows and it's pretty good.

Ok, if that's true, why do I keep hearing complaints about the terribleness of the Ominaii 2?  (Or however that phone is spelled).  I have a friend who owns one and he's quite unhappy with it.

King
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 08:52:08 AM
Tim, they are going to keep that under tight wraps until the very last moment. if they were intimate it was coming, AT&T would sue Apple for all the lost biz they would suffer from people nor renewing with them and switching in advance of the release. Apple has contractual obligations to AT&T as their partner and that needs to be honored until the exclusivity expires. It's not personal, it's just business.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on August 25, 2010, 09:01:05 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 08:52:08 AM
Tim, they are going to keep that under tight wraps until the very last moment. if they were intimate it was coming, AT&T would sue Apple for all the lost biz they would suffer from people nor renewing with them and switching in advance of the release. Apple has contractual obligations to AT&T as their partner and that needs to be honored until the exclusivity expires. It's not personal, it's just business.

Oh I realize that, doesn't make it any easier for us.  I was just wishing out loud.  But that's why I don't think it will come because of that exclusivity deal and we don't know when it ends.

Oh inre
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 09:23:28 AM
Actually, we do now with some certainty, it ends next year.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Rico on August 25, 2010, 09:48:11 AM
The tablet market can be even wider than the smart phone arena since you really are not tied into a specific carrier.  So I think you will be seeing a TON of new devices fairly soon.  Good to have competition.  Better choices for all of us.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
iSuppli came out with research this morning stating the iPad will be the dominate tablet until 2012 before it faces any meaningful competition based on the knopw planned releases by otyher manufacturers as well as the superiority of Apple's touch screen OS. Apparently that has been problametic for other companies.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Rico on August 25, 2010, 09:58:01 AM
Huh?!?!  How in the world can they predict that?  In the end it doesn't matter what people predict or say.  Again, I'm just happy we will have more choices.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 11:40:26 AM
Quote from: Rico on August 25, 2010, 09:58:01 AM
Huh?!?!  How in the world can they predict that?  In the end it doesn't matter what people predict or say. 

Well, actually it does. That's what the entire sell side research analayst of Wall Street firms are paid a LOT of $ to do, be predictive. They look for access to a companies, learn thier business units and future plans, watch their suppliers to see what they are buying, ect. It's Wall Street, baby!
Their conclusion are very sober and reasonable. Based on the number of tablet products in the developnebt stage which could be released in the next 18 months put against the iPad and it's enitre ecosystme, they conclude that Apple will continue to dominate the market through 2012, which isn't that far away. Having lived and grown up in a community where Wall Street had such a huge influence , I grew up with kids who'e fathers were CEO's and VP's at places like Goldman, Merrill, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, ect., I take all of this for granted. I forget that the rest of the country might have a different perspective.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Jobydrone on August 25, 2010, 12:21:37 PM
I've heard the rumor before but I find it dubious that Apple would be releasing a smaller iPad with a 7" screen.  Why would they cannibalize the sales of their hugely successful 10" iPad by releasing a smaller, less functional model with the only benefit (perhaps) being a slightly lower price point?  
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 12:26:03 PM
It's actually a bit more substantive than a rumor. It's been feartured a number of times in research and on CNBC. It's a similar approach to how they make their PowerBook laptops with different screen sizes for different users and their needs.

Ah. here's that artcile from iSuppli.

Apple's iPad to remain king of tablets -researcher


12:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time Aug 25, 2010
* Viable iPad rivals won't emerge until 2011 or 2012

* iPad has 74 percent of tablet shipments this year


By Liana B. Baker

NEW YORK, Aug 25 (Reuters) - Apple Inc's <AAPL.O> iPad will not face a serious competitor until next year, and when tablet rivals do emerge, they will have a hard time matching iPad's customized applications, according to a report from market research firm iSuppli.

The iPad, which likely will account for nearly three quarters of worldwide tablet shipments this year, will hold at least 70 percent of the market in 2011 and 62 percent by 2012, iSuppli said in its report on Wednesday.

Apple sold 3.3 million iPads last quarter, which is one of the best starts for a consumer electronic device.

Apple competitors like Hewlett Packard Co <HPQ.N>, Dell Inc <DELL.O> and Lenovo Group <0992.HK> are rolling out Android and Windows 7-based tablet devices to rival the 9.7-inch iPad, but they will struggle to compete with iPad's mix of hardware, software, operating system and applications, the firm said.

"It's still unlikely that any of the competitors will be able to equal the overall performance experience of the iPad," said Rhoda Alexander, the firm's director of monitor research.

Among other possible rivals, iSuppli cited rumors that Canada's Research in Motion <RIM.TO> is trying to enter the tablet market with its recent purchase of the domain name "BlackPad."

It dismissed reports that Google will release a Chrome OS tablet on Nov 26, saying "any touch-enabled Chrome based device would be more likely to appear in 2011 or beyond."

(Reporting by Liana B. Baker. Editing by Robert MacMillan)

Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Jobydrone on August 25, 2010, 12:57:02 PM
Maybe, but it doesn't make sense.  All it would do is piss off app designers who would have to substantially update their existing iPad apps to account for the smaller screen, and offer people a lower priced alternative who would otherwise have spent more on the ten inch model. 
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on August 25, 2010, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on August 25, 2010, 09:23:28 AM
Actually, we do now with some certainty, it ends next year.

It ends 2011 huh.  What ticks me off about Verizon (and yes, same rant from Twitter basically) is that Verizon has the worst choice of Phones in the market right now.  The newest RIM device went straight to AT&T, the iPhone is on AT&T, we don't have the HTC Desire idk where that is available and all verizon has is the Droid X which has numerous issues that has scared it away from me and very meh phones below that.  And why does AT&T have all the nice phones?  Because they have global access, forget the fact that their data plan annoys me and their reception is meh at best.  

WHY?!  Just, super irritating as I look for my next phone.  I can't change to AT&T due to the high costs of switching networks and the reception on the West Coast is bad for AT&T.  So I'm forced to stick to Verizon.  This really irritates me as much as being forced to stay with Century Link because no one else will support our area.  

/me ends rant

And

We don't need a smaller screen, that's why we have the iPod touch.  Now rivals sure, go right ahead, but Apple?  Save yourself some embarrassment and don't make the smaller iPad.  

Sorry for the rant, but it's been difficult to settle on an upgrade this next two years. 

King
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: billybob476 on August 25, 2010, 01:24:06 PM
It's not in the best interest of manufacturers to build CDMA handsets that they can only sell in the US and few other markets. GSM is everywhere.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: beer on September 05, 2010, 05:12:54 PM
saw this and thought I'd append:

Samsung: Galaxy Tab has leg up on Apple iPad

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/09/02/cnet.samsung.galaxy.tab/ (http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/09/02/cnet.samsung.galaxy.tab/)

Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: KingIsaacLinksr on September 05, 2010, 06:18:58 PM
At this point, I think the Galaxy lost VS the iPad.  To me, the Galaxy looks like a giant phone.  A meh camera/video device recorder, (really, 3 Megapixel is all you could put in that thing?  The iPhone has 5 Megapixels, the Droid X has 8.), a much smaller screen which cramps the ability to type on it, the  lackluster Android App Store when this thing comes out and etc.  Sure, one would hope that the Droid store would compensate for that by adding in apps for the Galaxy, but this will depend on how well it sells.  One of the weaknesses of the Droid area is adapting apps to every single device.  I very much dislike that it's forcing you to get a 3G plan.  Sorry, but the iPad does win me in appeal because I could go for the pure-wifi one simply because that would be less costly.  

In comparison, the iPad still holds my interest because it has a lot of application power, the screen is the right size in my opinion and it has a lot of developer support behind it.  I don't think the Galaxy will beat the iPad.  There is nothing that special about it in comparison.  The forward facing camera of the Galaxy does give it an advantage over the iPad, but if I had to wager a guess, the 2nd Gen iPad will have Facetime.  It came to the iPhone, it is coming to the iPod touch, so there is almost no doubt it will come to the iPad.  Apple seems behind that tech.  So this advantage will soon no longer exist.  The battery life of the Galaxy is questionable on this device and for a device that is almost half the size of an iPad, this seems strange that they can't crank out more juice.  Adobe Flash, ok, you have it, good for you, wish I didn't have to deal with Flash period.  (Not a fan ;) )  

I will grant that the Galaxy does hold appeal as a single-handed device and that this may appeal to more people.  The USB port, Camera and HDMI output do add something that the iPad does not have.  Yet.  Although it looks like the iPad is going to one-up everyone by adding streaming wirelessly.  ;)  

But really, if I want a truly mobile device like how they showcase it in the commercial, I'll get a smartphone.  Smaller and a little harder to drop and harder to break.  

A good try, but I think there could be more done.  I am looking at this from the perspective of a student too so granted, this may appeal to those in business more.  I'm not sure.   :2cents

Thoughts?

King
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Bryancd on September 05, 2010, 08:20:01 PM
Yeah, the iPad is going to dominate this space for a number of years, as much due to features as with the whole Apple/iTunes Eco system. nothing will come close. How many times do I have to say it? Trust me.
Title: Re: Samsung Galaxy Tablet
Post by: Rico on September 06, 2010, 05:21:15 AM
And I still say plenty of room for competition.  Especially if they can come in at a lower price point.