Very long show this week, but a good one I think. All about "firefly" - of course and a few other things. Thanks to those that sent in audio for the show. Always happy for that. Enjoy!
http://www.treksinscifi.com/podcasts/TreksinSciFi_288_Firefly.mp3 (http://www.treksinscifi.com/podcasts/TreksinSciFi_288_Firefly.mp3)
Hey Rico,
I like that you give the date at the beginning of every show. I have recently started listening to scapecast and am trying to figure out when they recorded based on what they're saying because they don't give the year at the start.
The podcast was super as always!! You'd be hard pressed to find a Firefly hater.
Take it easy
Ryan
Thanks Ryan. It's such a rich series to cover (even with only 14 episodes and one movie) I always end up feeling I could have done more. But I guess then the podcast would have been many more hours long! I just really love this series and even if I just get one new person to give it a try then doing the podcast will have been worth it.
It's next up on my to-listen list. Rico considering there are many podcasts that are only about Friefly I think you'd be hard-pressed to cover everything in a single episode! it's amazing that a show with 14 episodes can be so rich.
Ya there really is alot of magic when it comes to this series. It's such a shame that Serenity didn't do better at the box office, I would have loved to see a Big Damn Trilogy! None the less Serenity is an excellent movie on its own. I was lucky enough to see it on the big screen with a bunch of browncoat at the 08 Can't stop the Serenity screening.
You know, Jamie and I liked "Serenity" but Jamie didn't feel it had the same feel as the series. It was great to have some character resolution but maybe the movie's somewhat darker tone and more violence turned off the non-sci-fi Firefly fans.
As with many things, there's enough in this series that a TrekSF episode per episode could easily be justified :)
Serenity was just...different in tone. I don't really know how to define it but it did feel a little bit at odds with the content of the series. As I said in my comment (which I haven't heard yet) I did enjoy it but not in the same way as I enjoyed the series.
I think the movie was very good, and much like any movie from a TV series. By that I mean that they had to up the action, conflict, etc. but also sort of resolve it all in 2 hours. Think of "First Contact" vs. most TNG episodes. Quite a different experience. But both enjoyable. I found "Serenity" fit in very well and it was great to learn more about River and the rest of them. It also had the advantage of only coming a few years after the series ended. But I know what you guys mean about it being "different" than the series.
I'm half way through listening and LOVE it. Thank you Rico.
Quote from: Rico on July 19, 2010, 08:23:17 AM
I think the movie was very good, and much like any movie from a TV series. By that I mean that they had to up the action, conflict, etc. but also sort of resolve it all in 2 hours. Think of "First Contact" vs. most TNG episodes. Quite a different experience. But both enjoyable. I found "Serenity" fit in very well and it was great to learn more about River and the rest of them. It also had the advantage of only coming a few years after the series ended. But I know what you guys mean about it being "different" than the series.
Agreed. It was interesting to see Jamie's reaction. As a non- sci-fi fan (star crap) she was drawn more to the characters and the relationships than say the more traditional "action". I think that might be a common trait amongst fans of the show who might normally not watch this type of program. Firefly was so unique in that it was very non-technical. They lived on a space ship (great line when Zoe points that out to Wash in the last episode) but there was a an old world aspect to their lives.
Hey Rico, ever thought of doing a show on the American version of Life On Mars? Al
Quote from: QuadShot on July 19, 2010, 12:23:08 PM
Hey Rico, ever thought of doing a show on the American version of Life On Mars? Al
I've not watched that. Didn't seem to last too long. I do want to see the UK version sometime. Saw at least one episode of that.
Half way through and loving it! Some thoughts:
Wash: He's the "everyman", the audience's voice. You described it perfectly when you said he's the guy who raises his hand and points out that everything and everyone is crazy!
Jayne: Is an AWESOME character but he is NOT a good guy. Jayne's in it for Jane and no one else. Even after his seeming redemption of character during the airlock scene, he's a loyal as long as it's in his own self interest and Mal knows it. They did a great job of making him a little sympathetic like in "Jayne's Town" or when his Mom send him his hat, bit what I loved about the way the character was written is just when you want to like him, he makes some horrible comment! It would have been so interesting to see what would have become of him as the series progressed.
Anara: She wasn't afraid of getting to close to the crew of Serenity, she was afraid of falling even more in love with Mal. She gave Whedon a character where Mal's ability to love, beyond that for his crew and his ship, a foil so we could see into his heart. I found the sexual tension between the two of them great and the fact that it never pays off even better. It drove Jamie crazy and she was happy with Anara's return to Serenity at the end of the film.
I'm not quite sure what I said with regards to some of those things you mention. But ALWAYS keep in mind when listening to my podcast that many of my comments are just my impressions and thoughts, unless I have heard something specifically from a writer, actor, etc. I do try to blend in what I know and have talked about with others on certain subjects, but they are simply at the end of the day my views. This is why I ALWAYS open the show to comments from you guys ahead of time. I try to keep 'Balance in the Force.' ;)
Quote from: Rico on July 19, 2010, 01:41:57 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on July 19, 2010, 12:23:08 PM
Hey Rico, ever thought of doing a show on the American version of Life On Mars? Al
I've not watched that. Didn't seem to last too long. I do want to see the UK version sometime. Saw at least one episode of that.
There were only 17 episodes, it was more of what we used to call a mini-series than a regular series. They had a predetermined start, story and finish. Pretty good too, combines that 1970's cop show with a sci-fi mystery twist. I enjoyed the BBC version, so gave the US version a shot and was hooked from the fist episode. Al
No, it wasn't anything you said, I just like discussing the characters. :)
I am about half way through the podcast, great job Rico, really learning a lot about this series, great clips. I am a late comer to this series, as I got the Series just after Christmas on DVD I think for 12 dollars which I think is probably the best 12 dollars I have spent for a set of DVD's (well actually my friend bought them for me, so the best 12 dollars he spent :) ).
Quote from: Bryancd on July 19, 2010, 02:02:50 PM
Jayne: Is an AWESOME character but he is NOT a good guy. Jayne's in it for Jane and no one else. Even after his seeming redemption of character during the airlock scene, he's a loyal as long as it's in his own self interest and Mal knows it. They did a great job of making him a little sympathetic like in "Jayne's Town" or when his Mom send him his hat, bit what I loved about the way the character was written is just when you want to like him, he makes some horrible comment! It would have been so interesting to see what would have become of him as the series progressed.
I felt the same way about Jayne, that he was out for himself. I think he might have mentioned it a few times, that is someone paid better, he would take that job and leave serenity. He sort of did that when he sold the Tams out in that hospital, but Mal really took care of that situation in the end, which was very cool. Never knowing which way he would turn, made him interesting more so then just being a tough guy.
Oh, Jayne was certainly out for himself a lot of the time. But, I think he did respect Mal and really didn't want to cross him if he could avoid it. Even in the pilot episode Jayne had multiple chances to turn on him but ultimately didn't. While I wouldn't call Jayne exactly a "good guy", I don't think he's a bad guy either. Like most everyone of the characters, he's somewhere in between. And that makes him interesting.
The thing is, when Jayne sold out the Tams you could tell it is something he really, deeply regretted doing. Not just because he got caught, but because he knew deep down that it was wrong. You don't turn on your crew. Maybe he didn't know that when he first signed on, but I think running with the Serenity crew taught him a few things.
Quote from: billybob476 on July 21, 2010, 05:51:31 AM
The thing is, when Jayne sold out the Tams you could tell it is something he really, deeply regretted doing. Not just because he got caught, but because he knew deep down that it was wrong.
...that and being in the airlock didn't hurt to help make him see the light... ;) Actually, if you continue forward into the movie, he still want's to dump the Tam's, so it seems his sense of loyalty was short lived. They likely did that as it was familiar to the audience, I'm sure if the series had progressed, we would have really had a chance to see if Jayne could be saved, but at the end of the series, I still think he was a dangerous man to have a round. What's funny is that Jamie really likes Jayne, so he is a sympathetic character to the audience. Amazing they pulled that off so well, credit to both the writting and the perfromance.
Finished now! A good podcast as always but Rico broke his length rules! :P
Three hours next week? ;)
GREAT SHOW! Finally finished it a few minutes ago. I really enjoyed the coverage of this. The comments were so excellent. I also was very blessed by the comments from Bryan AND Jamie! Very good. Thanks so much for such a quality podcast.
Finished the podcast, great stuff Rico. All the comments were great, enjoyed Bryan interviewing his wife about the show, great perspective. Good to know that I wasn't the only one the came into this show late, that there are others on the forum as well :). Great Job again Rico, liked all the clips you included as well, really captured the characters and the show.
Quote from: Feathers on July 21, 2010, 02:06:16 PM
Finished now! A good podcast as always but Rico broke his length rules! :P
Three hours next week? ;)
I would LOVE a 3 hour Treks in Sci-Fi for my long bike training! That's at least 65 miles done and dusted with Rico in my ear!
Yeah, I knew the length was going to be a problem for this week's show. Believe it or not, I did leave out a few clips and other things I was going to say. I think my length "rule" is flexible now. Some shows will be shorter, some longer. But my real rule is I just want to keep it all interesting. It's why I've moved to doing "special shows" like this and not just ALL Trek. Anyway, that's the deal - at least for now. ;)
I think 90 min is perfectly fine for geeky goodness.
Yeah I never mind the longer shows - since the commute can devour the longest of casts.
Long shows are great. :) downloading now; looking forward to checking it out.
Ok, so like I said earlier, I'd never watched Firefly. Caught a few minutes here and there, but never sat down and watched. I got the entire series from iTunes and have been doing a mega-marathon and let me tell you...WOW! I love that show! I love how it's set 500+ years from now but still has that Old West feel about it. And the fact that they invented a new sub-language for humans is great. Can't wait to get all the way through. Thanks for doing the show on it Rico and opening another wonder to me!! :)
You're quite welcome. Glad I could get you to take a closer look at it.
haven't seen firefly but now i got to
Oh it's so awesome. In fact, I'm suffering right now at work because I felt compelled to stay up until about 1 am watching episodes, only to get up at 4:30 for work!
Great podcast Rico.. again wish I would have sent in some comments.. this is one of my top 5 scifi fantasy geeky loves. Oh well.. it was great hearing Jamie.. Bryan and Jamie made a fun duo.. would love to hear more from you guys.
Wow! You really were behind in your listening!
Quote from: Bryancd on December 11, 2010, 05:03:27 AM
Wow! You really were behind in your listening!
yeah I sacrificed my podcast listening for a while.. but I have plenty of time now to catch up.
I just listen to the podcast on firefly a couple a weeks ago. I have been behind in my podcast linening i must admit. It was a great podcast, thank Rico. I watched the series when it was first brodcasted on fox but cound not get into it at the time. The following year I got the famous box set as Christmas present :leiaxmasform my brother and watched the series in the winter of 2004. It was so great I could not believe that it got canceled the way it did. I enjoyed every episode and re-watched then with the auto cometary. I did see the movie when it came out and I have it on DVD as well. a collector's edition.
thanks for a great podcast.