I toyed with whether to bring this up or not, but I just had to say something. Unless you live under a rock you probably know about the multiple audio recordings that have come out between Gibson and his ex-girlfriend. The language, anger, and general poor regard for another human being that he demonstrates in these recordings is frankly both shocking and sad. I'm not sure how someone with his previous success can have so much anger, hate and insecurity inside them. While I have enjoyed his many films, I don't think I'll ever be able to forgive or understand this. I hope he gets some serious help - he needs it.
He's always been a bit of a nut job in the real world. He's mouth has gotten him in trouble before. He comes across as a bit of a bigot as well.
I think when he is on the sauce, his less flattering size comes out....to say the least. He sounds like a more extreme Alec Baldwin - if you recall his recorded rants towards his ex-wife & daughter.
Mel Gibson sure has a lot of hate in him. Sometimes some people bring the worst out in others, and maybe his Girlfriend does to him, but I guess with that said, there is still all that anger and hate in him that must have been there all along. At least for me, it really colors all that he has done up to now.
I heard some of the stuff that he said on Radio One the other morning and I was totally shocked. You just don't say those things to another person and why does it matter to him about what his ex-girlfriend wears or does? I used to have some form of respect for him but now that's gone!
Well done Mel for being a tool!
Hollywood is forgiving.. but I think Mel has seen the end of his career go down in flames.
Its sad really. It's kind of like Batman, he's a great crime fighter and all, but there's a really HUGE nut job on the inside :) Behind all creative people like Mel Gibson, there's something that fuels that creativity. Often, like with our friend Rick Moyer, it's something wonderful that gives them the "fuel" to create wonderful things...with people like Mel Gibson and Charlie Sheen, it's some sort of beast with an immense capacity for destruction!
I've been on a Mel Gibson boycott since the original anti-semitic rant in 2006 (?) when he was arrested for drunk driving and spewed out all that ridiculous nonsense about Jews and it came out that he was raised as a Holocaust denier. This latest disgusting behavior should be the last nail in his coffin. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
The original Lethal Weapon was a great movie though the sequels were garbage. I could do without pretty much everything else the man has done. I liked Conspiracy Theory, but that was more due to Ron Howard than Mel I think. Many actors could have made that role great with Ron Howard at the helm.
I kind of feel sorry for Mel. I think he was a decent actor and a so-so director. His best films being The Patriot and Braveheart but neither of which I care to ever see again. I enjoyed his early career with the Mad Max films, Galipoli, The Year of Living Dangerously and the Lethal Weapon films. I'm not sure that any of his work will endure as "classics" but only time can tell that. I think Mel's only hope is sobriety. Alcohol plays a role in so many people's downfall. Look at Lindsey Lohan! I hope they both get some real help soon!
Kevin
He should move in with Roman Polanksi...
Well of course his films Braveheart and The Patriot are all anti English (and historicaly innacurate) so this is nothing new to me. I think when Ricky Gervais said this everyone laughed but with a nod of "yes you are a idiot" spin to 8.12 to see what Ricky said.
Ricky Gervais hosting the 2010 Golden Globes All of his good bits chained (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwH0HfbYHlM#)
Meds, so very true! I loved Braveheart, as an action movie, not an historically accurate portrayal. I'm a HUGE fan of William Wallace, being Scottish myself, done quite a bit of research on the whole thing. OH well, Hollyweird. Thing is, I have little expectations in actors as decent people anyway, so when they act like Mel, or Baldwin, I'm not shocked, let down, disappointed, or anything. I just go on with my life. Shame on them, for pissing away their position though. SHame on them for turning their backs on responsibility to those who do look up to them and idolize them. My 4 cents worth.
I agree with you Al. I compare this with someone like Tom Hanks. Tom's a guy that just seems like an honest, good person who always seems very grateful for his success. Heck, I watched him on "Bosom Buddies" way back in the day. So, I can't generate much sympathy for Mel. He's had plenty of chances to change and shows again that he just can't.
I remember Bosom Buddies. I loved that show! And yep, Tom Hanks is a nice guy, you don't ever hear any tabloid stuff about him. Is that because he IS a saint? Probably not. I'm sure he has issues as well, but he is not STUPID enough to allow them to get out of control. What cracks me up are the stars that have Mel type issues, then get all bent out of shape because us "normal" folk talk about it. "Just leave me alone, why can't you treat me like any other person?" Well, because you're NOT LIKE any other person. You chose to be in a profession that, if you're blessed, slaps you head first in the spotlight, and you DO have some responsibilities. If you can't handle it, then quit and go work for In and Out Burger. I have little to actually no compassion for "stars" who have Mel downs (pun intended) and spout off about no privacy. Bahh! Al
All true. Think of all the celebs you never really ever hear about. It can be done. The trick is don't give the media anything to grab on to and run with. Just do your job and be smart about it all. I also really respect the celebs who use their fame for good. You'll see some do public service announcements, take up certain causes and so forth. I really admire and respect those people.
One of my favorite quotes of all time is from the movie version of the Stephen King novel "Christine":
"You can't polish a turd."
If someone is a racist, anti-semitic, misogynist, wife-beating alcoholic, then no amount of Hollywood magic is going to cover it up forever. I'm amazed the man was able to hide his true colors as long as he did.
I love that line. But, if you really think back on some of the interviews that Mel has done over the years, you can see this stuff start to seap out. For example, many years ago (not certain how many), he was interviewed on like 20/20 or something. It was like an indepth chat with Mel Gibson. He talked (guardedly) about his religion. Now, I'm not going to start a religious debate here, I'm just saying what was talked about. He was once an "old fashioned Catholic", but then came out in 2002 against it saying he believes the Vatica to be a "wolf in sheeps clothing". From what I remember, he is some sort of fundamentalist Catholic, actually a "sect" of the Catholics called Sedevacantism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism). Mel has been building up to this latest outburst for a long time and yes, it is sad. But in the end, how does it affect my life? Nada. Three months from now, it'll be just an archived page on a forum somewhere...Al :dstar
Why would someone feel sorry for him? This is all self inflicted. He is yet another hollywood person that thinks they can do anything. There is room in America for discussing almost anything but he is not doing that. He is ranting like a lunatic.
Quote from: QuadShot on July 22, 2010, 11:45:16 AM
a "sect" of the Catholics called Sedevacantism
Yes - they don't recognize the reforms of Vatican 2 (like getting rid of Latin in Mass, etc).
Quote from: Bromptonboy on July 22, 2010, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on July 22, 2010, 11:45:16 AM
a "sect" of the Catholics called Sedevacantism
Yes - they don't recognize the reforms of Vatican 2 (like getting rid of Latin in Mass, etc).
Any person can twist a religion. It's the people that live by it's vitues that represent it.
Quote from: Blackride on July 22, 2010, 05:09:38 PM
Why would someone feel sorry for him? This is all self inflicted. He is yet another hollywood person that thinks they can do anything. There is room in America for discussing almost anything but he is not doing that. He is ranting like a lunatic.
I don't think it has anything to do with Hollywood. Some people are screwed up. Being a star doesn't make you less screwed up, it just makes you more noticed.
Here is something that many people seem to forget. To be a star, you need to have drive and ego. Docile people don't become stars. It's a shark tank there and only those with the drive rise to the top. Sure, there might be a few exceptions, but as a whole, the best and most believable actors are full of emotion. Sometimes that emotion gets the best of them. Sometimes they fall victim to the negative emotions instead of hanging on to the positive ones.
When you have to put yourself into dark places for the sake of your job, sometimes that darkness sticks with you after the cameras stop rolling.
The only difference between Mel Gibson and some nobody with the same view is that we don't see or care about the views of the nobody unless it directly affects us.
X, you are absolutely right. Actors are by nature, a bit different. Thanks for pointing that out.
Quote from: Blackride on July 22, 2010, 05:09:38 PM
Why would someone feel sorry for him? This is all self inflicted. He is yet another hollywood person that thinks they can do anything. There is room in America for discussing almost anything but he is not doing that. He is ranting like a lunatic.
I say I feel sorry for him because I think it is an attitude of "compassion". As the Savior said to those who caught a woman in adultery "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". I certainly have no right to cast stones at him. I prefer to pray for him and desire that he gets some much needed help. It's a shame that his dirty laundry has to be exposed. Love covers a multitude of sin!
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on July 22, 2010, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: Blackride on July 22, 2010, 05:09:38 PM
Why would someone feel sorry for him? This is all self inflicted. He is yet another hollywood person that thinks they can do anything. There is room in America for discussing almost anything but he is not doing that. He is ranting like a lunatic.
I say I feel sorry for him because I think it is an attitude of "compassion". As the Savior said to those who caught a woman in adultery "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". I certainly have no right to cast stones at him. I prefer to pray for him and desire that he gets some much needed help. It's a shame that his dirty laundry has to be exposed. Love covers a multitude of sin!
Kevin
Why should someone NOT feel sorry for him? What's tha alternative? Snner and make fun or feel nothing? I'd far rather there were more perople feeling sorry for others than having no feelings/malevolent feelings towards them.
(I don't mean 'feeling sorry' as in 'looking down one's nose at' either, I mean a feeling of genuine concern. I'm not saying it needs to have a great effect on your daily life, but a little compassion is a worthwhile thing to have!)
I didn't say that because I didn't feel sorry for someone that I do not have compassion. I feel "sorry" for people that have no control over their situations. I pray for people like this (Mel) that they find the Lord to save themselves. I know this is getting into religion but kinda hard to avoid it with this topic if you ask me.
I agree with you 100% Blackride, there are many people much more worthy of our compassion and pity. How about feeling sorry for the woman who he punched in the face? Or the policeman doing his job getting a dangerous drunk driver off the road and then had to endure his abusive, racist, anti-semitic tirade?
There is much good that comes out of this public airing of the man's major dysfunction. As stated above, perhaps he will be motivated to seek out some much needed psychiatric and spiritual counseling.
Well, Mel is sort of trying to do something. Looks like he has landed a cameo in "The Hangover 2" movie.
http://www.celebuzz.com/mel-gibson-lands-cameo-hangover-s263281/ (http://www.celebuzz.com/mel-gibson-lands-cameo-hangover-s263281/)
:)
Hang Over 2 - 2 go in...one comes out....
I was just writing on Facebook that of all his antics, I found his drunk driving most disappointing. Here he is, had just made a powerful religious movie and goes out and risks the lives of others on the road. I lost so much respect for him after that. No ones perfect and we all stumble, but risking other people's lives is extremely disappointing.
I've taken tech support calls with people who have been worked up into a frenzy at that level, when I worked at cox cable, we had to sit there while they ranted and couldn't hang up on them. More people flip out like that than you would think. As far as him getting physical I really hope that one is false. And I really think he was using the explosive words to shock (say horrible things for shock value because he is that angry) rather than to take shots at people of other races.
My acting professor always told us he thought hollywood actors used recall of events in their lives to invoke emotion to the point that they make themselves nuts and are prone to insane behavior and I wonder if that's the deal here.
The recordings probably wouldn't keep me from watching one of his movies, though I haven't seen any of his at the cinema anyway.
Poor Mad Max Mel his not got a brave heart ,his mouth is a lethal weapon and he doesn't know what women want still his a patriot
to America ever though his from down under ,still the signs where there all the time and he deserves the payback his getting now.
Well, now I've read that the cast and some others of the movie didn't want Mel in it. So he is out of "The Hangover 2."
That's too bad. I would have been interested to see it.
They had no problem with the convicted rapist in the first movie. I guess hateful ranting is worse than rape in Hollywood.
Quote from: AlanP on October 23, 2010, 10:20:02 AM
They had no problem with the convicted rapist in the first movie. I guess hateful ranting is worse than rape in Hollywood.
Who was that??
Mike Tyson in 1992.
Quote from: AlanP on October 23, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
Mike Tyson in 1992.
I think the difference is that the Mike Tyson incident happened so long ago while numerous Mel incidents happened and are still happening currently.
Oh, yeah. Tyson. I even sort of forgot he was in "The Hangover" too.
Maybe more things like getting dropped from this movie need to happen to Mel Gibson, make him reevaluate how he treats and views others. If he cannot get a cameo, then he is going to have a difficult time landing any sort of role, as no one is going to want to risk involving him in any projects. I say he has his work cut out for him now.
Quote from: AlanP on October 23, 2010, 10:20:02 AM
That's too bad. I would have been interested to see it.
They had no problem with the convicted rapist in the first movie. I guess hateful ranting is worse than rape in Hollywood.
I'm still iffy on how that all went down and think that he should have had a better lawyer, but regardless of that, he did serve his time and has been out for years without doing it again.
Mel's issue is that he acts up. Get's forgiveness, then acts up again. He's also done a great job of alienating a lot of the minority actors out there with his rants.
Quote from: loutzee on October 19, 2010, 07:24:32 PM
Poor Mad Max Mel his not got a brave heart ,his mouth is a lethal weapon and he doesn't know what women want still his a patriot
to America ever though his from down under ,still the signs where there all the time and he deserves the payback his getting now.
Actually, Mel is from New York, but went down when he was 111 or 12 after his father won money on Jeopardy!.
Isn't Icon Mel company so he could make his own film to star in but I guess there would be the problem of getting people to back it and watch it
Quote from: X on October 26, 2010, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: loutzee on October 19, 2010, 07:24:32 PM
Poor Mad Max Mel his not got a brave heart ,his mouth is a lethal weapon and he doesn't know what women want still his a patriot
to America ever though his from down under ,still the signs where there all the time and he deserves the payback his getting now.
Actually, Mel is from New York, but went down when he was 111 or 12 after his father won money on Jeopardy!.
I was just trying to get as many Mel films in one paragraph I didn't think 7 was bad just from memory,but yes of course you are right he is for New York.
I didn't know that. I always believed he was Aussie born.
Quote from: Feathers on October 27, 2010, 02:49:55 AM
I didn't know that. I always believed he was Aussie born.
His mother was Aussie born, but he was born here and live here a whole decade left for down under ... then they gave him back.
Looks like Mr. Gibson is back in the news again, this time making an enemy of Joe Esterhaus, best known as the writer of the film classic "Showgirls". I was shocked and amazed when I heard that anyone was seriously entertaining the notion that Mel Gibson could make a film version of Judah and the Macabees with such a recent stink of anti semitism on his reputation...but apparently someone at Warner Bros. came to their senses and passed. A letter subsequently written by Esterhaus to Gibson has "leaked" although it seems pretty clearly written for the purpose of outing Gibson's reprehensible behavior alleged by Esterhaus to the world. I'm not linking the letter because the whole story is just so disgusting... but if you seek it out and read it you'll be shocked and disturbed...be forewarned there's some strong language and extremely frank and adult situations described in the letter. I know I said a couple years ago that the last incident should have been the final nail in Gibsons coffin...maybe this latest incident will serve at last?