DUDE !! That's a LOT of white stuff!!
This was outside the house about an hour ago. Hoping for another "passover" :D
In Philadelphia we are gearing up for another possible 18" - on top of what we already had over the weekend. I am just going to work from home Wednesday.
Here's at the house here today in Rockford. Sorry I'm looking down but I thought the phone already had taken the pic.
Rico, is that job of yours on Hoth?!
Quote from: Bromptonboy on February 09, 2010, 05:04:24 PM
Rico, is that job of yours on Hoth?!
Why - yes it is! Oh, here's a couple more pics. The big white tank is our shield generator at Testor's! Or maybe it's just a big tank of aerosol propellant. I get those confused. ;)
Believe it or not we are supposed to get several inches of the white stuff this Thursday but the high on Friday will be in the mid 40s so it won't last. It never does! :)
Kevin
Nice pictures. I wish we had snow here. Oh well. :)
I always find it funny how those with little snow wish for it, and many people with tons of it want it to go away. I guess it's like Spock said - "Having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting..."
Damn right. It only snowed very lightly here overnight. About an inch or so.
Quote from: Rico on February 10, 2010, 05:14:13 AM
I always find it funny how those with little snow wish for it, and many people with tons of it want it to go away. I guess it's like Spock said - "Having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting..."
I don't know. I think it depends on if you have kids or not. :)
We only have 5 inches. I heard Ann Arbor got almost 8.
Both my kids pitched in to help the old man today - the snow plow left a mountain in front of my driveway that took forever to cut through.
And there is still more coming..
I walked to work in a snowfall this morning.
It's gone now.
Rico are you wearing your Indy jacket and trousers there. If you gad your fedora on you'd be in true adventure mode.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 10, 2010, 09:13:39 AM
Rico are you wearing your Indy jacket and trousers there. If you gad your fedora on you'd be in true adventure mode.
Yep - my usual outfit. Forgot my hat at home. This weekend I'll get it. Maybe the whip too! ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 10, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 10, 2010, 09:13:39 AM
Rico are you wearing your Indy jacket and trousers there. If you gad your fedora on you'd be in true adventure mode.
Yep - my usual outfit. Forgot my hat at home. This weekend I'll get it. Maybe the whip too! ;)
You'll need it to fend off polar bears!
or smoke monsters.
He has his Dharma Initiative jumpsuit and snow shovel..
Dallas Texas has a Snow Day !
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my parents house
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I make a snow angel
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view from work at lunch time
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around my apt building
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neighbors make a snowman
We got hammered here in Philly:
Now that's some snow! Nice pics!
very cool!
Curse you Al Gore and global warming!! :)
That is a lot of snow, I have been lucky as we not gotten much lately. I feel for all you folks in the east, the snow always looks like the wet heavy stuff, at least the snow we get here is usually not which makes it easier to shovel.
Quote from: sheldar on February 11, 2010, 05:05:22 PM
Curse you Al Gore and global warming!! :)
Actual more snow and so forth is exactly what global warming should bring. Shifting weather patterns, polar ice melting and shifting south. Read on...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/dylan-ratigan-snowstorms_n_456945.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/dylan-ratigan-snowstorms_n_456945.html)
Quote from: Rico on February 11, 2010, 06:27:43 PM
Quote from: sheldar on February 11, 2010, 05:05:22 PM
Curse you Al Gore and global warming!! :)
Actual more snow and so forth is exactly what global warming should bring. Shifting weather patterns, polar ice melting and shifting south. Read on...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/dylan-ratigan-snowstorms_n_456945.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/dylan-ratigan-snowstorms_n_456945.html)
That's exactly what I was going to say!
I hate the guy who had to go and name the phenominon 'Global Warming'. What was he thinking? I still go with the more acceptable (and evident) 'Climate Change' which is creeping in now. A much better term for what's going on.
I've never seen snow like that. Apparently we used to get it over here 50 or more years ago but never in my lifetime. (Having said that, I think I still live a bit too far south to have really experienced that.)
Yep - I still think the short span we have good weather data (even with historical and geologic data added in) is a bit short to make any firm conclusions. But a ton of snow certainly doesn't dissprove global warming. It actually only favors the concept.
Rachel Maddow Interviews Scientist Bill Nye On Climate Change - 02/10/10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYvk1OtI0H0#)
I had nearly 3 feet on the Jersey shore. Insane. I went out shoveling three times on Wednesday, while it was all coming down, and still spent 1.5 hours digging myself out yesterday morning. Needless to say, I'm very sore.
Re: Global Warming - in my Enviro classes in college, we were forbidden from using the term. It was "Global Climate Change" or nothing. So silly. But that term seems to have dropped off in usage as well...
Actually the current weather pattern is because of El Nino and has very little to do with what is called Climate Change. Also, the sunspot activity is contributing quite a lot to our weather conditions. In any case we have gotten a little more snow this season than is the norm for North Texas although our summers have been cooler on average and this winter just slightly cooler than average. The first picture of my house was taken yesterday afternoon and the others of my backyard were taken this morning. We had close to nine inches of snow. Not quite a record I think but close. The highs will be in the 50s tomorrow so it won't last long.
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I remember horrific snowstorms growing up, weeks of 100+ temps in the summer. Its the weather and is hardly ever constant but to blame it on .39% CO2 in the atmosphere and then to put the blame on mankind? Silly - here's a book to read
http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Confusion-Pandering-Politicians-Misguided/dp/1594033455/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265991903&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Confusion-Pandering-Politicians-Misguided/dp/1594033455/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265991903&sr=1-1)
It seems to me that the global climate change issue will never be settled.
Quote from the average Kryptonian on the street:
"That Jor-El guy is full of it!"
"Hey, did you guy's just feel a tremor?"
Well, I read recently that the national averages have been one to two degrees cooler over the last five years, which should put to rest global warming and greenhouse effect. Next they'll be telling us we are heading to another ice age. The green people have a lot of power in politics. Since we don't have an evil enemy anymore to focus on we have to villainize something or someone.
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on February 12, 2010, 09:23:19 AM
Well, I read recently that the national averages have been one to two degrees cooler over the last five years, which should put to rest global warming and greenhouse effect. Next they'll be telling us we are heading to another ice age. The green people have a lot of power in politics. Since we don't have an evil enemy anymore to focus on we have to villainize something or someone.
Kevin
Again - not really. Please see the above articles. Also, a few years of data is by no means conclusive one way or the other. I am not sure at all, either way. However, I am a chemist and work with materials everyday that can harm the environment. I see no reason not to try and do our part to minimize the release of hydrocarbons and other materials, even if Mother Earth can take it.
Quote from: ChadH on February 12, 2010, 09:13:29 AM
It seems to me that the global climate change issue will never be settled.
Quote from the average Kryptonian on the street:
"That Jor-El guy is full of it!"
"Hey, did you guy's just feel a tremor?"
I'm worried one day it will be settled - and if global warming is real it might be too late to do anything about it. Err on the side of caution, I'd say.
Now please keep that Gulf Stream going bringing all the good heat to Europe, as much as I like a good winter a good summer is even better! ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2010, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: Ktrek on February 12, 2010, 09:23:19 AM
Well, I read recently that the national averages have been one to two degrees cooler over the last five years, which should put to rest global warming and greenhouse effect. Next they'll be telling us we are heading to another ice age. The green people have a lot of power in politics. Since we don't have an evil enemy anymore to focus on we have to villainize something or someone.
Kevin
Again - not really. Please see the above articles. Also, a few years of data is by no means conclusive one way or the other. I am not sure at all, either way. However, I am a chemist and work with materials everyday that can harm the environment. I see no reason not to try and do our part to minimize the release of hydrocarbons and other materials, even if Mother Earth can take it.
As long as the government doesn't stick their nose into my light sockets. :) Personally, I think we should plant a bunch of trees, make our own compost, use paper instead of plastic bags, etc. Like Elizabeth said "the code is more what you'd call guidelinesthan actual rules".
Quote from: sheldar on February 12, 2010, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2010, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: Ktrek on February 12, 2010, 09:23:19 AM
Well, I read recently that the national averages have been one to two degrees cooler over the last five years, which should put to rest global warming and greenhouse effect. Next they'll be telling us we are heading to another ice age. The green people have a lot of power in politics. Since we don't have an evil enemy anymore to focus on we have to villainize something or someone.
Kevin
Again - not really. Please see the above articles. Also, a few years of data is by no means conclusive one way or the other. I am not sure at all, either way. However, I am a chemist and work with materials everyday that can harm the environment. I see no reason not to try and do our part to minimize the release of hydrocarbons and other materials, even if Mother Earth can take it.
As long as the government doesn't stick their nose into my light sockets. :) Personally, I think we should plant a bunch of trees, make our own compost, use paper instead of plastic bags, etc. Like Elizabeth said "the code is more what you'd call guidelinesthan actual rules".
Well, following US discussions I understand the government is principally bad, but putting taxes on electricity, gas and water works wonders in generating a more economic use.
I won't go so far to suggest to invest the tax money in researching "green" technologies.
Though a reduced dependency on oil... imagine all the money invested in securing oil instead invested in researching technologies that make you independent from oil. The world might look a bit different today.
Quote from: sheldar on February 12, 2010, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2010, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: Ktrek on February 12, 2010, 09:23:19 AM
Well, I read recently that the national averages have been one to two degrees cooler over the last five years, which should put to rest global warming and greenhouse effect. Next they'll be telling us we are heading to another ice age. The green people have a lot of power in politics. Since we don't have an evil enemy anymore to focus on we have to villainize something or someone.
Kevin
Again - not really. Please see the above articles. Also, a few years of data is by no means conclusive one way or the other. I am not sure at all, either way. However, I am a chemist and work with materials everyday that can harm the environment. I see no reason not to try and do our part to minimize the release of hydrocarbons and other materials, even if Mother Earth can take it.
As long as the government doesn't stick their nose into my light sockets. :) Personally, I think we should plant a bunch of trees, make our own compost, use paper instead of plastic bags, etc. Like Elizabeth said "the code is more what you'd call guidelinesthan actual rules".
It seems more like just common sense to me.
Interesting how a casual remark can cause so many different opinions to surface.
Here is a relevant article about climate change and global warming debate. Seems even one of the leading scientiic researchers on this even has to admit
Quote"for the past 15 years there has been no 'statistically significant' warming."
Anyway, you can read the whole article for yourself. The comments below are also very interesting reading.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html)
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on February 15, 2010, 09:45:56 AM
Here is a relevant article about climate change and global warming debate. Seems even one of the leading scientiic researchers on this even has to admit Quote"for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming."
Anyway, you can read the whole article for yourself. The comments below are also very interesting reading.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html)
Kevin
This really blew up in the news over here. So much fuss over some email. Regardless of the rights and wrongs, it set the idea back quite a way over here.
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2010, 09:39:24 AM
Also, a few years of data is by no means conclusive one way or the other. I am not sure at all, either way. However, I am a chemist and work with materials everyday that can harm the environment. I see no reason not to try and do our part to minimize the release of hydrocarbons and other materials, even if Mother Earth can take it.
This is where I come down on this as well. Due to our lack of meaningful data covering any significant period of time, we are very limited in our ability to draw any conclusions one way or another. Certainly, it is reasonable for mankind to make an effort to begin to try and minimize our impact upon the planet in many way, not just CO2 emissions. It will likely be to our benefit in the long haul.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 15, 2010, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2010, 09:39:24 AM
Also, a few years of data is by no means conclusive one way or the other. I am not sure at all, either way. However, I am a chemist and work with materials everyday that can harm the environment. I see no reason not to try and do our part to minimize the release of hydrocarbons and other materials, even if Mother Earth can take it.
This is where I come down on this as well. Due to our lack of meaningful data covering any significant period of time, we are very limited in our ability to draw any conclusions one way or another. Certainly, it is reasonable for mankind to make an effort to begin to try and minimize our impact upon the planet in many way, not just CO2 emissions. It will likely be to our benefit in the long haul.
Oh I agree Bryan! I think that we should be responsible and moral about the environment. It's just this one issue I think is very questionable and the approach has been less than scientific. I do believe that if you follow the money it appears that this "theory" is profitable to the coffers of those most outspoken in defense of it.
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on February 15, 2010, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 15, 2010, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2010, 09:39:24 AM
Also, a few years of data is by no means conclusive one way or the other. I am not sure at all, either way. However, I am a chemist and work with materials everyday that can harm the environment. I see no reason not to try and do our part to minimize the release of hydrocarbons and other materials, even if Mother Earth can take it.
This is where I come down on this as well. Due to our lack of meaningful data covering any significant period of time, we are very limited in our ability to draw any conclusions one way or another. Certainly, it is reasonable for mankind to make an effort to begin to try and minimize our impact upon the planet in many way, not just CO2 emissions. It will likely be to our benefit in the long haul.
Oh I agree Bryan! I think that we should be responsible and moral about the environment. It's just this one issue I think is very questionable and the approach has been less than scientific. I do believe that if you follow the money it appears that this "theory" is profitable to the coffers of those most outspoken in defense of it.
Kevin
I think you're wrong about people doing it for a profit. While some scientist have been tools about the subject, not all scientist have been tools.
Sure, people are getting snow now, but do we really forget about the massive droughts that have been happening for years? Even when you factor in the amount of snow, it's still less precipitation than we are usually getting in a lot of places. The only thing that has changed is when we are getting it.
Lots of snow one season and little to no rain in other season does not mean that global warming is a ruse. It means that the weather patterns are already changing.
I think a lot of the scientists support it to keep the grant money coming. The scientists may not, and probably are not, getting rich on the theory, but it does keep them employed. Al Gore, on the other hand, has made millions not just from his books but other investments that he has been successful in getting implementation. As well as many other politicians.
I'm not going to argue that there is not climate change happening, I just believe that it is cyclical. There have been warmer periods in history than we have now but all of a sudden man is responsible for the changes. He might be and he might not be. If it is a "natural" cycle it's just one that man will have to ride out, like he has done many times before.
We seem to forget that the Earth wobbles so many degrees and not only that but the orbit around the sun varies some degrees because the solar system is also in movement as well as the galaxy. The Earth is affected by many gravitational pulls that fluctuate and are always changing. This season of change may last ten years and do a complete reversal. We don't know. I think it's wise to cut down emissions etc. but I think the jury is still out about man being responsible for the current changes.
Kevin
Be careful on the scientist angle. Data is data. What some choose to do with that information or how they interpret it is another matter.
It's a nice conspiricy theory and all, but it makes absolutely no sense when you apply common sense and logic.
Not only are we pumping out billions of tons of greenhouse gasses, we're converting inert nitrogen into bad nitrogen for fertalizers. Humans are and have been teriforming the earth for a while. Look at Oklahoma and Vegas.
We are changing wind and weather patterns by strip mining mountains, paving roads, and erecting sky scrapers. We are preventing the fire cycle in forests that need it while burn clearing forest that were never part of that cycle.
Humans are changing the planet and global warming is happening. The only thing that believing a conspiricy theory does is allow us to continue business as usual. The only purpose it serves is to let us continue to screw up our future by shifting the blame from our own actions at home.
We are changing the planet and our comfort zone is getting more and more narrow. I have no doubt that the earth will survive, it might even get better, but planet earth will have no problems doing that after we destroyed ourselves with our own ignorance and hubris.
The question isn't what if they are faking, but what do we have to lose from making things better?
What do we have to lose if we treat global warming as a human caused issue?
Now imagine what we have to gain, what our kids and grandkids have to gain by rebuilding society into something less wasteful.
I agree Chris. For me, the real point is how we try to limit our impact on the planet, natural resources and so on. We have recycled for a while and I try to find uses for older things that we have - like donating clothing and passing on old computers, etc. I'm also thinking of a hybrid for my next car - because these 700+ mile weekends are rough on gas. In any case, I have a very hard time believing that billions of people, industry and so forth are not impacting the planet in some way.
I see a lot of people spouting off about how humans are damaging the planet and yet do very little to pro-actively lower their carbon footprint. The first and probably one of the best solutions in the US would be if most people lived close to where they work. Not 30 to 90 minutes away but within a ten minute drive. Second, reduce the number of electricity wasting devices. I mean do you really need three TV sets and two computers running all the time? How about donating those extra units and living with just one? Try recycling most of the things you throw away. What about your water usage? Do you take a bath or shower every day? Why not save by bathing with your spouse? How about not flushing the toilet after every time you take a piss? Putting water saving faucets on your sinks and shower heads? What about those coffees you buy every day? How about bringing your own cup instead of throwing away that Styrofoam or plastic? How about decreasing your meat consumption so less livestock needs to be raised? The methane they produce is 23 times more effective at retaining heat than C02! How about using recycle bags at the grocery store instead of paper or plastic? Or at least recycle the paper or plastic when you do? Buy what you can in bulk at the local health food store and bring your own containers. Reusable jars and such.
I find there are so many people that say they are concerned about our planet and yet do very little themselves to reduce their own contribution. If you think just recycling your paper and plastic is enough then you are sadly mistaken. Live what you preach. Change your lifestyles!
Kevin
Good point kevin and I'll be happy to say that I practice what I preach. Here is the short list of what my family does.
Switched all lights to compact florescent.
Gave up driving for mass transit system.
Planted a dozen trees in my father's yard, and 2 dozen shrubs.
Switched to low e washer and dryer
Recycle
Switched to energy star branded televisions. Dropped the surround sound.
Switched to the low water toilets and showerheads.
Compost heap for many of the extra organics leftovers.
Hand washing dishes and rack drying them. No auto dishwasher.
Buy produce from the local farmers market.
We also try to purchase sustainable seafood when possible.
So, since no one else has said what they do in trying to do their part, I really don't see how you can call people out on something you don't know about.
My family has been green before it was a buzz word. We practice what we believe and it doesn't hurt because it's a lifestlye and not a trend for us.
There is also more that we do, but I think I made my point.
I'm not sure what "people are spouting off" that you are referring to Kevin. I can't speak for others who I don't know. But I do know many people who are conserving these days - more than ever. I just do my best to limit my drain on the planet.
Quote from: Rico on February 16, 2010, 09:36:44 AM
I'm not sure what "people are spouting off" that you are referring to Kevin. I can't speak for others who I don't know. But I do know many people who are conserving these days - more than ever. I just do my best to limit my drain on the planet.
I didn't say "spouting off" on this board Rico. It is a general observation. ot pointing fingers at anyone here directly. I have found that unlike you and JustX most of the people I have come across that believe in the climate change thing do little to nothing to solve the problem personally. I meant nothing more. If you guys do then that's great but the vast majority of folks out here in the world do not.
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on February 16, 2010, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 16, 2010, 09:36:44 AM
I'm not sure what "people are spouting off" that you are referring to Kevin. I can't speak for others who I don't know. But I do know many people who are conserving these days - more than ever. I just do my best to limit my drain on the planet.
I didn't say "spouting off" on this board Rico. It is a general observation. ot pointing fingers at anyone here directly. I have found that unlike you and JustX most of the people I have come across that believe in the climate change thing do little to nothing to solve the problem personally. I meant nothing more. If you guys do then that's great but the vast majority of folks out here in the world do not.
Kevin
Just to close this out - hopefully - I didn't think you were talking about us Kevin. But, I do wonder how a comment can be made about people you don't know? I was only speaking in regards to myself and my friends and family.
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Wow.. that's like the "hotrod" of snow blower...
Quote from: Just X on February 16, 2010, 06:39:18 AM
It's a nice conspiracy theory and all, but it makes absolutely no sense when you apply common sense and logic.
Well, hold Chris. It's not a "conspiracy theory, I think to categorize the concept that based on limited data we can draw far reaching conclusions is much more of a theory, in all fairness. Although I agree that anecdotal evidence we can make about our physical impact on the planet are legitmate, any conclusion drawn from that is still speculative. Just because something might "seem" to make sense doesn't make it so. Having said that, again I am all for lessening human impact upon the planet, we do our best in my home to minimize our contribution to that, but that doesn't make the concept of man made global warming correct, it's the theory that needs to be proved and studies of the planets climate over millions of years indicates many periods or warming and cooling well before man.
I was more talking about scientists being in it for the money than the validity of the research. For numerous scientist to be working the system for grant money around the world and coming up with similar results implies a conspiricy of some sort. If they are pulling numbers out of their butts, they would have to work together to create matching false data.
Quote from: Just X on February 16, 2010, 04:07:11 PM
I was more talking about scientists being in it for the money than the validity of the research. For numerous scientist to be working the system for grant money around the world and coming up with similar results implies a conspiricy of some sort. If they are pulling numbers out of their butts, they would have to work together to create matching false data.
I gotcha and I misunderstood. I thought you meant the concept that man made contribution was NOT the cause of global warming was the conspiracy theory. And I agree the concept of a vast scientific conspiracy is a bit much.
Didn't he steal that snowblower from Tool Time? Uhh-uhh-uhhhhhhh!
If anyone's interested in calculating your carbon footprint, or learning how to lessen it, check out The Nature Conservatory
http://www.nature.org/initiatives/climatechange/calculator/ (http://www.nature.org/initiatives/climatechange/calculator/)
I'm an 8.8, mostly because I don't drive... ever.
The US average is 27.
The worldwide average is 5.5.
I'm a 15 because I drive and I lost points because we consume meat most but not all meals. I also lost points because I took one flight this last year. But that's almost half of the US average. Cool calculator!
Kevin
I got for our household (4 of us) a 38
Oh well, we are a 43, having to each drive 25 miles per day in my old Jeep and Jamie's V8 Jeep Grand Cherokee. We had a boat and needed to tow that and we have two large dogs that travel with us. Jamie flies often for work and we go back east at least 1-2 per year to see family.
I haven't tried the calculator yet, but I would think a plane of say 350 people going from New York to L.A. would be more fuel efficient overall (and less polluting) than each of them driving. Just a thought.
I don't think the calculator is designed to say that planes emit less C02 but it adds into your factors if you have taken a trip, just like mileage enters into your factors.
As a household my wife and I have a carbon footprint of 28 which is almost half of the US average. However, the data does not include how much emissions I make mowing lawns in my business. So, our footprint would be larger. But it also does not factor in private homeowners mowing their own lawns either and we all know most homeowners have to mow their lawns or get fines, unless you live in Phoenix of course.
Kevin
What's a lawn?
;)
Mine is low, but that calculator doesn't factor in trees and other offsets
Yeah, it's definitely an estimate, and I think it's a few years old. It does ask you how many "short flights" and "long flights", however you define those. It also says that they use the state-average for home-type emissions. I assume that would include averages of trees on your property, and lawn movers. Any time you use averages to "calculate" anything, it gets a little iffy, but I think it's neat to have a rough estimate.
Interesting discussion but the calcualator seems to be US only (I can't tell it what state I live in).
Getting sidetracked, how big are your lawns over there??? If they're big enough to affect this sort of calculation they must be on the huge side by our standards.
Quote from: Feathers on February 18, 2010, 08:13:11 AM
Getting sidetracked, how big are your lawns over there??? If they're big enough to affect this sort of calculation they must be on the huge side by our standards.
We do have much larger lawns than you do for sure. If you think about 150 million lawns of various sizes, and that may be a bit conservative, and all the commercial lawns added in too, that could add up to a lot of emissions.
Kevin
Snowing hard in Philadelphia.....again....
16 to 18" (46CM) predicted with very high winds of 60 MPH (~96KPH). Oh joy! Much of the last snowfall has yet to melt.
Must be the storm that only gave us a couple inches. I feel for you guys. So are you setting a new snow record this year?
Quote from: Rico on February 25, 2010, 05:12:43 AM
Must be the storm that only gave us a couple inches. I feel for you guys. So are you setting a new snow record this year?
I believe we are well into the record books for cumulative fall - for this area. When I was young boy winters used to be like this, but snow became rarer in my teen years - and now in my 40's we are getting real winter again it seems.
Being in Michigan surrounded by the Great Lakes generally acts as a good buffer. When winter storms hit that area they both get driven south and don't give us as much snow overall. We've gotten a few hits this year in Michigan of 6-8 inches and lots of other smaller amounts, but nothing like you guys are getting.
Same in Toronto, I live a 5-7 minute walk from the shore of Lake Ontario so it's not quite as heavy.
Doubleplusungood!!
I feel bad for all you folks getting all that snow. I live so far North, and we have not gotten any real amount of snow in 2010, and the past few weeks, we have been either just below or above the freezing mark. I suspect Old Man Winter is not quite done with us yet, but he certainly is giving us a break this year.
we have lots of rain! It rained so hard it woke me up twice last night. No kidding.
Quote from: moyer777 on February 25, 2010, 07:24:28 AM
we have lots of rain! It rained so hard it woke me up twice last night. No kidding.
I like waking up to the sound of rain - it's relaxing. (Well it is now that we've had the leaky chimney stack removed!)
Looks like Philly has easily busted their snow record - even before this new storm. Found this on Yahoo.com...
In snow-weary Philadelphia, this winter had set a seasonal record of more than 70 inches of snow even before the first flakes began falling Thursday. The new snow started arriving just as Philadelphia and New Jersey finally finished cleaning up from the two blizzards that deposited more than 3 feet of snow a few weeks ago.
Yep, I've already got another foot at home on the Jersey shore. And it's still coming down. Now they're saying it will continue through Saturday. Joy.
I vote all those with snow, we dig ourselves out and head to Bryan's place for a TSF party!
Sounds good to me!
I saw through the blinding snow a shimmering figure appear 'Bromptonboy - you must go to the Arizona System - and there seek out Brian'
Quote from: Rico on February 26, 2010, 07:05:24 AM
I vote all those with snow, we dig ourselves out and head to Bryan's place for a TSF party!
The way things have been this year Arizona will probably receive a foot of snow next.
Quote from: ChadH on February 26, 2010, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 26, 2010, 07:05:24 AM
I vote all those with snow, we dig ourselves out and head to Bryan's place for a TSF party!
The way things have been this year Arizona will probably receive a foot of snow next.
Oh, we've already gotten way more than that! Remember, Flagstaff is at 8000+ feet elevation. I can see snow on the mountain to the east of Phoenix right now. It's even snowed here in town once since we moved here. Desert is all about moisture, not always about heat, although it does get blazing here in the summer. Heck, Phoenix is at over 1000 feet above sea level.