It's looking good based on this for a fourth season of "Torchwood." Read on:
By Ileane Rudolph November 11, 2009 09:05 AM EST
Torchwood might not have concluded its run at the end of the thrilling miniseries Children of Earth after all - Ianto's tragic death not withstanding. The new year could bring some "very good news" for fans of the sexy sci-fi series, creator Russell T. Davies tells TV Guide Magazine.
"The recession has hit British television, but fingers crossed, it will be a go. We expect things to start to move in January. We've got great ideas for the show. I think there's a further lease on life for many years to come, but certainly for a [fourth season]," Davies says. John Barrowman is finishing his run in "La Cage Aux Folles" in London, so there's plenty of time to trade his feather boa for Captain Jack's trench coat.
http://tvguidemagazine.com/news/torchwood-planning-fourth-season-3168.html (http://tvguidemagazine.com/news/torchwood-planning-fourth-season-3168.html)
Torchwood has grown on me with Children of Earth. A fourth series could be hood if they can carry that sort of momentum and story forward.
"Torchwood" Series 4 Will Run 13 Episodes
December 2, 2009 by Michael Hickerson || Category: TV News
Here's a bit of holiday cheer for "Torchwood" fans.
After seeing the third season cut to a five-episode, mini-series event, the upcoming fourth series will run 13 episodes according to actor John Barrowman.
"We are discussing the future of Torchwood, because most definitely Torchwood will come back to the BBC," Barrowman said on a UK radio show. "We're not sure when, because we have to sort out the logistics of the filming, and it's already been said that it will be 13 episodes rather than five."
So, is this good news or bad news?
While we do get more "Torchwood," last year's five-part series was an event and helped propel the series to newer heights of popularity.
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/12/02/torchwood-series-4-will-run-13-episodes/ (http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/12/02/torchwood-series-4-will-run-13-episodes/)
Is this definately confirmed now?
I've heard it put forward as definate before but it turned out to be nothing more than speculative chat by those involved.
Fox developing U.S. version of 'Torchwood'
Original producing team on board to adapt U.K. series
By James Hibberd
Jan 19, 2010, 10:00 AM ET
"Torchwood"
Huge news for sci-fi fans: Fox is developing a stateside version of the U.K. hit series "Torchwood."
The project is from BBC Worldwide Prods., with original series creator Russell Davies writing the script.
A more straight-faced spinoff of "Doctor Who," "Torchwood" is about a covert group that investigates and fights alien activity. Two series aired domestically on BBC America as well as last year's well reviewed stand-alone miniseries, "Children of Earth," which broke all ratings records for the network.
Unlike U.S. adaptations that have gone awry, "Torchwood" fans can take comfort that the original producing team is on board. In addition to Davies, exec producers include Davies' producing partner Julie Gardner (former head of drama at BBC Wales for the show's first season) and Jane Tranter (another BBC vet, now exec vp programming and production at BBC Worldwide Prods. in the U.S.).
Also, some of the current cast -- most likely John Barrowman, who plays the immortal Capt. Jack Harkness -- might star if Fox orders "Torchwood" to pilot.
As for the new show's plot, the U.S. version will contain a global story line compared to the more localized sensibility of the first two BBC seasons.
Tranter might try to reboot "Doctor Who" for U.S. audiences while departing "Doctor Who" star David Tennant stars in NBC's pilot "Rex Is Not Your Lawyer." "Torchwood" (which is an anagram of "Doctor Who") debuted in 2006 on BBC 3 and set ratings records, then was moved to BBC 1. Russell also reinvented "Doctor Who" in 2003 and was writer-creator of the series "Queer as Folk."
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Interesting.
It sounds like they could be trying to set up a parallel show with Torchwood rather than a complete US replacement. A US base for Torchwood as opposed to a complete restart.
That sounds like something I could watch. The thought of rebooting Doctor Who for a US audience however...Nooooooo!
I think it would be cool to see a Torchwood branch or something in the US, still keep it part of the same universe.
This could be cool and more "Torchwood" would be great! I hope this works out.
'Torchwood' snuffed at Fox
Exclu: "Torchwood" fans, prepared to be disappointed/relieved.
Fox has decided not to pursue a U.S. version of the UK cult hit. The network was developing a stateside version of the "Doctor Who" spinoff, a prospect which divided fans.
"BBC Worldwide Productions and the FOX Broadcasting Company have mutually agreed not to progress together with a 13-episode serialized 'Torchwood' format," said BBC Worldwide in a statement. "We are currently in discussion with several interested networks."
As to that last part, BBC Worldwide executive vp of programming and production Jane Tranter reiterated that a U.S. version was still making progress.
"It's very much ongoing and very much alive," Tranter said.
Also, fans shouldn't hope for/worry about a U.S. edition "Doctor Who," whose recent season premiere just set a ratings record on BBC America.
"It may well be confusing to have a British Doctor and an American Doctor at the same time," she said. "There is only one Doctor, so I don't see that happening."
That article begs the question, what do you think the correct network should be? I am thinking Syfy.
I think if the US wants its own series, that's fine. It's still the idea of somehow tying it into the BBC series that makes me nervous. I can see if someone like SyFy gets it over there it could make for interesting discussions about who gets to air it over here.
I just don't want to have one of the bigger companies to have it because they probably would water down the fun. From what I heard the only tie ins would be character mentions, same doctor same Gwen, same everything...just Torchwood US
INTERNATIONAL PARTNERSHIP SECURES NEW SERIES OF TORCHWOOD
Key cast - John Barrowman (Capt. Jack), Eve Myles (Gwen) – to return for the next installment, along with new faces
Monday 7th June 2010
BBC Cymru Wales, BBC Worldwide and US premium entertainment network, Starz Entertainment, have today announced a three way co-production partnership that will develop a new series of the hit BBC sci-fi drama Torchwood. BBC Worldwide will also distribute the series to broadcasters globally.
The 10-episode instalment will be written by a team led by Torchwood creator, Russell T Davies, and produced by BBC Worldwide Productions. Davies and BBC Worldwide Productions' SVP Scripted, Julie Gardner, return as executive producers with BBC Worldwide Productions EVP Jane Tranter. The series has been commissioned by Controller BBC ONE, Jay Hunt, Controller BBC Drama, Ben Stephenson, and Starz President and CEO, Chris Albrecht.
While previous series were based on location in Cardiff, Wales, this new instalment will see storylines widen to include locations in the U.S. and around the world. John Barrowman and Eve Myles will return in their roles as Captain Jack and Gwen respectively, along with new faces.
Announcing the commission, Ben Stephenson, Controller, BBC Drama Commissioning said: "We have a long history of working with many U.S. networks but it is incredibly exciting to be working with Starz for the first time, as well as to be reunited with the best of British in Russell, Jane and Julie. Torchwood will burst back onto the screen with a shocking and moving story with global stakes and locations that will make it feel bigger and bolder than ever"
Jane Tranter, EVP, BBC Worldwide Productions, added: "Torchwood has attracted remarkable attention and loyalty in both the UK and U.S., and in this new partnership with Starz, the next chapter will not only reward our current fans, but also introduce new viewers to the most impressive instalment yet."
"We're committed to programming exceptional television that is entertaining, imaginative and provides a premium TV experience, and by any measure the new concept for Torchwood fits that mandate," Starz, LLC, President and CEO Chris Albrecht said. "I've been part of successful partnerships with Jane Tranter and the BBC previously, and I'm very much looking forward to working with them again."
Torchwood is a drama that puts extraterrestrial threats into a very real world, and asks how humanity deals with the danger - while fighting human's darkest instincts. The series was originally commissioned and produced in 2006 by BBC Cymru Wales, with the latest high octane series capturing UK audiences of more than 6 million.
http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/08/torchwood-new-world_18.html (http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/08/torchwood-new-world_18.html)
Starz have published more details of the upcoming Torchwood co-production with BBC Worldwide. The series is due for transmission in the summer of 2011.
SERIES SYNOPSIS
When C.I.A. agent Rex Matheson investigates a global conspiracy, he finds himself unearthing a threat which challenges the entire human race. The answers seem to lie within an old, secret British institute, known only as Torchwood. But Torchwood was destroyed, years ago, and the keys to the institute are held by its only two survivors - former Police Officer Gwen Cooper, who has long since disappeared along with her husband and child, and the mysterious Captain Jack Harkness, a man whose history seems to stretch back centuries.
With Rex under attack from all sides, in both the US and the UK, he soon discovers there are forces at work within every level of society, determined to stop Torchwood's return. As a chain of events across the world links together the most disparate and unlikely individuals - including a surgeon, a killer, senators and CEOs - a new Torchwood team takes shape. But this time, the threat is much closer to home, as they realize that their greatest enemy is mankind itself...
CAPTAIN JACK HARKNESS (John Barrowman)
Jack looks like a hero. But he's so much more than that...
He's American, handsome, with a killer smile and a classic coat. But you don't expect heroes to be this much fun. He's witty, fast, subversive and there's a reason for that glint in his eye - he'll sleep with women, he'll sleep with men; if aliens invade, he'll sleep with them too. Got a problem with that? Tough! His dashing style hides a secret. There are mysteries about Jack - a man going under his name seems to have a history stretching back to World War 2, or even earlier, to the Nineteenth century, the Eighteenth...
Truth is, Jack Harkness is immortal. A fixed point in time and space. The only one of his kind. For thousands of years, he has never been able to die. When killed, he comes back to life - seconds later. Though his tragedy is, he feels every death. It hurts - and so does the passage of time. He can never love anyone for too long, because he will always lose them. As a result, he's lived many lives. He's been a conman, a thief, an adventurer - though more a rogue than a villain, because his perspective on human life makes him appreciate this world all the more.
Jack once ran the Torchwood Institute, a British organization dedicated to fighting the strange and bizarre. He was king of his own little world for a while, the happiest he'd ever been. But Torchwood fell. His friends were killed. The Institute closed down, and Jack disappeared, to start yet another of his many new lives. And yet... The only thing that could call Jack Harkness back is his unstated love for Gwen Cooper. And when a new, epic danger affects the whole planet, Jack finds himself back at the center of events, fighting not just for his own life, but for everyone on Earth. But this time, are the stakes too high?
GWEN COOPER (Eve Myles)
All Gwen wants is a quiet life. Honest.
She's Welsh, lives in seclusion, far away from the city, on a cliff top in the wilds of South Wales with her devoted husband, and baby Anwen - it's a rural idyll. And it's a lie. Gwen is in hiding, because she once lived the most extraordinary life. She was the heart and soul of an organization called Torchwood, a freelance band of fighters who fought the strange and unexplained. She was a defender of the human race.
But no more. Torchwood was destroyed. Her colleagues died, or fled. And Gwen hid herself away, for the rest of her life, to protect her loved ones. But knowing, just knowing, that one day trouble would come calling again.
She lives the ultimate double life: the funny, salty, earthy woman who loves home and family, combined with the tough, ruthless warrior, who loves the thrill of the fight. She's both selfish and selfless. And never doubt it - when Gwen's in a crisis, she is magnificent. Gun in both hands, baby strapped to her chest, she'll run and fight and never give up.
It's passion, in the end: Gwen's all about passion. She loves her man, she loves her child, she loves this mad old world, and maybe she loves Captain Jack Harkness just a little too much. But when the events of this story push Gwen to the limit, she'll need to call on resources she never knew she had, to take action and make the most terrible decisions, on behalf of all mankind.
REX MATHESON (Actor TBD)
He's 28, the golden boy.
Has been, all his life. Harvard education, fast-tracker in the C.I.A., destined for success. Though he's never taken it easy – Rex hustles, seduces and campaigns to get where he is today. He can talk his way into anything, then charm his way out, fast. He's made a lot of enemies, but his friends and lovers would defend him to death. His choice of career is significant. Someone like Rex could make a fortune in Wall Street, or Hollywood. But choosing the C.I.A. says a lot about him: that for all his swagger, he does believe in justice. And will fight for it.
Slowly but surely, we see him make friends. He's thrown together a bunch of people known as Torchwood, the only people who might have the answer to a global mystery. To Rex, at first, they're a bunch of freaks. Welsh women and World War 2 Captains, what's that about?! But as they race from one crisis to another, dodging assassins, blackmail, corruption and conspiracy, from Washington to Wales and the slums of Shanghai, Rex forges friendships in the heat of fire. He learns to trust his new colleagues. And they realize that this dangerous, dazzling, reckless man is the best friend they could ever have, in a world going to hell.
They frighten us, men like Rex. We wish we were him; we never will be.
That works as the description of a one off story/film but I'd be surprised if it could carry a full series.
Do we know any more about the proposed format for all this?
To me, it sounds more like the story for the pilot episode. 2 hour movie to start, then the series just follows.
TORCHWOOD NEWS
BBC Cymru Wales, BBC Worldwide and US premium entertainment network, Starz Entertainment, today announced new cast, plot and character details for the new series of hit BBC drama Torchwood. This highly anticipated new series will have the title Torchwood: Miracle Day and will premiere this July.
ER and Lie To Me star Mekhi Phifer will play Rex Matheson, a C.I.A. operative who joins forces with Captain Jack and Gwen Cooper to fight a global conspiracy that reaches from Washington to Wales and the slums of Shanghai whilst Bill Pullman, best known for his big screen roles such as While You Were Sleeping and Independence Day will take on the role of Oswald Danes, a convicted child killer who survives his own execution to become the most infamous man on the planet.
Also making their Torchwood debuts are Alexa Havins as Esther Drummond, a deskbound C.I.A employee who dreams of active duty and who suddenly finds herself running alongside Jack, Gwen and Rex; and Arlene Tur as Dr Vera Juarez, a Washington D.C. surgeon, who ends up on the frontline of medical care on "Miracle Day" advising the government think-tanks on the best course of action for the world's population.
The plot of Miracle Day is the most explosive Torchwood storyline yet. One day, nobody dies. All across the world, nobody dies. And then the next day, and the next, and the next, people keep aging -- they get hurt and sick -- but they never die. The result: a population boom, overnight. With all the extra people, resources are finite. It's said that in four months' time, the human race will cease to be viable. But this can't be a natural event – someone's got to be behind it. It's a race against time as C.I.A. agent Rex Matheson investigates a global conspiracy. The answers lie within an old, secret British institute. As Rex keeps asking "What is Torchwood?", he's drawn into a world of adventure, and a threat to change what it means to be human, forever.
John Barrowman and Eve Myles will return in their roles as Captain Jack Harkness and Gwen Cooper respectively.
The 10-episode instalment has been written by a team led by Torchwood creator, Russell T Davies, and produced by BBC Worldwide Productions. Davies and BBC Worldwide Productions' SVP Scripted, Julie Gardner, return as executive producers with BBC Worldwide Productions EVP Jane Tranter. The series has been commissioned by Controller BBC Drama, Ben Stephenson, and Starz President and CEO, Chris Albrecht.
BBC Worldwide, having previously distributed Torchwood to territories such as Korea, Japan, Italy, Spain, Israel, Russia and across Latin America will distribute the new series to broadcasters globally.
While previous series were based on location in Cardiff, Wales, this new instalment will feature locations in the US and around the world.
The series was originally commissioned and produced in 2006 by BBC Cymru Wales, with the latest high octane series capturing UK audiences of more than 6million.
On the set image...
Some new stuff on "Torchwood" coming in July! :biggrin
Preview teaser here:
http://www.starz.com/extras#/torchwood-miracle-day-teaser (http://www.starz.com/extras#/torchwood-miracle-day-teaser)
Torchwood Miracle Day Captain Jack is Back !! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVT11D7y0G4#)
Interview: John Barrowman and Bill Pullman on Torchwood: Miracle Day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynUXY7h-cxY#ws)
Bummed I don't get Starz.. but I'm sure I can find other means to get this series.
Really excited for this series to be coming back. More Captain Jack! More Gwen!!
Blimey Pullmans been packing the pies away since Spaceballs ;) LOL Looking forward to this, Torchwood has been a slow burner for me but i'm more and more becoming excited about the new series.
Yes, more Gwen for sure!
Torchwood Miracle Day Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiXskQwl0Xo#)
Here's the full trailer..
Torchwood: Miracle Day - Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVktcOQD1zA#)
Man - that looks awesome! So glad it's returning. I'm wondering if there is any connection to Jack not being able to die with all this.
Can't wait!
New series being filmed in LA at Warner Bros. Sorry to repeat if someone already posted about that. Need to finish the old series on Netflix before this one starts up.
I watched that last clip and saw the actress from Dollhouse! I liked her on that show.
Quote from: Rico on April 10, 2011, 05:35:16 AM
Really excited for this series to be coming back. More Captain Jack! More Gwen!!
Gwen...yum.
With Torchwood: Miracle Day a little less than a month away, Starz is amping up the promotions. Now they've released five spoiler-free "first-person clips" of Miracle Day's main characters.
In each clip, the characters introduce themselves and hammer home the fact that Miracle Day is less of a miracle and more of a harbinger of terrible things to come.
In these clips, we get to meet Esther Drummond (Alexa Havins), CIA agent Rex Matheson (Mekhi Phifer) and the villainous Jilly Kitzinger (Lauren Ambrose). And then there's what's left of the Cardiff branch of Torchwood. These clips are heavy on mood. And after seeing Gwen Cooper (Eve Myles) and Jack Harkness (John Barrowman) completely unraveled, the mood is disturbing as hell.
The video can't be added here.. so following the link for all the videos.
http://blastr.com/2011/06/5-spoiler-free-clips-intr.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://blastr.com/2011/06/5-spoiler-free-clips-intr.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
search for Oswald Danes to get a very creepy one!
Quote from: X on June 09, 2011, 12:34:45 PM
search for Oswald Danes to get a very creepy one!
Found it here..
Torchwood - Miracle Day - Oswald Danes (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xj72az)
This starts today folks! July 8th!!
Torchwood - Miracle Day Launch Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjpYUoI-CDc#ws)
Wish I had Starz!!
There is live Starz streaming on Netflix if you have netflix
Quote from: X on July 08, 2011, 03:56:08 PM
There is live Starz streaming on Netflix if you have netflix
Cool! I had no idea. Looks like it only supports viewing on a Windows based PC, using IE.
http://www.netflix.com/StarzLive (http://www.netflix.com/StarzLive)
I'm staggered (and somewhat upset) that this starts on the BBC next Thursday. You're even getting BBC shows before us now :(
Quote from: Feathers on July 09, 2011, 01:48:55 AM
I'm staggered (and somewhat upset) that this starts on the BBC next Thursday. You're even getting BBC shows before us now :(
Is it still a BBC show? Thought Starz is paying for it now?
Quote from: Rico on July 09, 2011, 07:00:13 AM
Quote from: Feathers on July 09, 2011, 01:48:55 AM
I'm staggered (and somewhat upset) that this starts on the BBC next Thursday. You're even getting BBC shows before us now :(
Is it still a BBC show? Thought Starz is paying for it now?
It's both, but Starz paid serious money for first airing rights because it's pay television. BBC could air it next day, but decided to go with the week later approach. What's in the time slot there now that they wanted to let have another week?
Nothing on the Thursday they needed to keep for a week but I don't know whether they wanted to keep it off of Saturday schedules for a reason.
For this I think Doctor Who can go back to week later showing in the US ;)
Torchwood: Miracle Day and why it's running behind US transmission
Simon Brew
The near-week delay between the US and UK premieres of Torchwood: Miracle Day has been causing some consternation. We consider the key reasons and questions...
Published on Jun 29, 2011
Our Twitter feed has not been short of comments over the past week from people who aren't happy, or fail to see the logic of, the BBC's decision to transmit Torchwood: Miracle Day in the UK after it's screened in the US. The delay isn't massive. There's six days in it, with Miracle Day going out in the UK on the 14th July, as opposed to the 8th of July in America. But it's enough to get people angry.
I'm not trying to dissuade people from that. I just figured that it might be worth laying out the reasons why this is happening, for you to argue with or otherwise.
Why is the Starz network in the US getting the show first?
Because the Starz network is paying the bulk of the bill for it. And because, without the Starz network, the likelihood is that Miracle Day wouldn't be happening at all.
Lest we forget, the BBC and Fox both had the chance to make the show, but both, for differing reasons, didn't. In stepped Starz and put up what's reported as twice the budget that the BBC gave the show. Hence, Miracle Day is happening.
Also, Starz is a subscription network in the States. It relies on people paying to access its content. As such, it needs to get as many viewers to justify its expenditure, and if people could have caught one of its shows elsewhere without having to cough up, then the model simply wouldn't work.
Why is it being screened in Canada before the UK?
Couldn't tell you. That one is a bit odd. Torchwood: Miracle Day is a UK/US co-production, and it's disappointing that a nation not involved in the financing of it (from what I can tell) can get its hands on the show before one that does.
Why do we have to wait six days? Why can't Miracle Day be screened sooner in the UK?
Assuming that Starz insisted on first transmission of Miracle Day, that knocks Friday night out as an option for the BBC.
Saturdays, then? Well, how many hard sci-fi shows go out on a Saturday night? None. There's a reason for that, too. Plus, don't forget that John Barrowman will, by the end of Torchwood's run, have another show going out on Saturday nights, Tonight's The Night. Two shows with the same person in prime time on one night? It's not going to happen.
Sundays? Again, it's a not a traditional sci-fi slot. This is, remember, where the BBC (wrongly) shunted Outcasts earlier in the year, knowing the audience wouldn't be as strong.
As for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday? Well, that's harder to answer. Existing runs account for some schedule blockage, but one of these three days would, clearly, have been preferable for the impatient amongst us.
Thursday at 9pm isn't a bad slot, mind. It's just the waiting and the delay that's annoying. It seems to me that half of the delay is easily explained, the other half less so.
Does all this matter?
Ready for the blunt answer? No, not really.
It matters to you and me, perhaps, who just want to see a show early. But we're not the mass market audience that the BBC is looking for. We're a small proportion of the audience, albeit the loudest subset of it. We're the ones who tell everyone else to go and watch it.
But, the long and short of it is that Torchwood: Miracle Day's ratings won't be massively hurt by the delay.
But they'll still be hurt a bit?
Yes, probably. But, then, here's the conundrum. I'm not daft. I know we live in a world where people can get hold of programmes from the other side of the channel quite easily. But if people in the UK choose to acquire Miracle Day, and don't watch it on the telly, then it hardly helps the long term future of the show.
The BBC's money is still important to Torchwood, and the blunt truth is that the best way to support the programme is to watch it legally via one of the platforms the BBC offers. It might be that every 100,000 viewers counts when it comes to another series.
Won't the US and UK versions be different anyway?
Yes, apparently so. It's not like Britain will get a different ending, though, but there are reports that the BBC version will be slightly longer. That also takes into accounts any cuts made for swearing and sex, which the BBC is likely to require.
So, what should I do?
Honestly? Support the BBC transmission. It may feel like Britain is getting a bit shafted here, but there's more to it than any kind of mission to annoy the residents of the UK. This is the way of the modern day television world, and this is how big shows like Torchwood can still get made.
Personally, I'd far rather have Torchwood: Miracle Day on a Thursday night than not at all, and I hope the show gets the support it needs and deserves.
What's the official BBC line?
"BBC One is likely to TX within days of the America TX. UK schedules are very different to those in the America who can confirm months in advance. BBC One wants to give it the best slot possible for viewers and fans and this is what is most important to the scheduling of Torchwood".
Just watched this first episode and enjoyed it. Great seeing Jack and Gwen back in action. I like the new characters too. Looks like they are setting things up for the season. I'm not going to say too much until everyone has had a chance to see. Glad Torchwood is back!
Australia had it first as well I think. This will hit UK audience figures as those who want to see it will download it and frankly i pay for the BBC to deliver its goods to my doorstep regardless if its a joint venture. If it has BBC on its credit then my money has paid for it. I'm a bit put out and honestly i have seen stuff now on twitter, facebook i had a friend in Oz tell me about it because he thought we had seen it so its kind of killed any excitement of seeing it.
Will still watch it though, maybe ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on July 10, 2011, 02:15:28 PM
Australia had it first as well I think. This will hit UK audience figures as those who want to see it will download it and frankly i pay for the BBC to deliver its goods to my doorstep regardless if its a joint venture. If it has BBC on its credit then my money has paid for it. I'm a bit put out and honestly i have seen stuff now on twitter, facebook i had a friend in Oz tell me about it because he thought we had seen it so its kind of killed any excitement of seeing it.
Will still watch it though, maybe ;)
I could almost agree with you, but there are two major factors. Stars paid for most of the show and really stepped up the budget for it. Even though the show started in the UK, Starz is the driving force behind the current series. The second factor is the UK schedule. I don't know what's going on there, but they never seemed to really respect Torchwood and it seemed to me like it has always been a fight to get in on at all.
Now, I would be all for same day showing or even next day showings, but I think that Starz has more faith in the programme than the BBC does. I'd be a little upset too, but I'd blame it on the politics and not the people behind the show.
I have Starz, so I too am paying for the show. I also pay for BBC America with my cable bill. Given that we are both paying for both shows, I think that we should have some parity in viewing time. I think that you should be getting it on a Sat night slot which would be something like a 20 hour delay, but considering that you are sleeping during half that time, it wouldn't be much of a wait.
What has the BBC said about it? Are they afraid to run it on Sat?
A week isn't really a big wait. Heck, we used to have to wait months for Doctor Who episodes. I wouldn't let a little wait put anyone off on the show itself.
Of course a weeks not long but it's s big thing here regarding us funding the BBC. it's a service we HAVE to pay for, we have no choice otherwise we can be fined a huge amount of cash. So if the BBC co make something they really should play the game regardless of how much they put in.
Now on the plus side we do have a Torchwood special audio drama this week.
Quote from: Rico on July 10, 2011, 06:47:21 PM
A week isn't really a big wait. Heck, we used to have to wait months for Doctor Who episodes. I wouldn't let a little wait put anyone off on the show itself.
I hedn't fully understood the level of US involvement in this series, but now that I do, being put off is exactly the result. Torchwood has never been the strongest of BBC shows (in my opinion) but has been improving slowly over time. Given that we now seem to have lost most of the BBC influence in it's making, I find my level of interest waning rapidly. Hopefully the progress that's been made hasn't been thrown away but I think there's a good chance it may have been.
It's set to record but I'm not guaranteed to watch it on the night of broadcast (although that's actually not much different to my attitude to previous series of Torchwood which I've always fitted in where I can).
Without Starz and their $$$, "Torchwood" season 4 wouldn't have been made. If this puts you guys off the show, I'm sorry to hear that. For many years now in the US at least shows have hopped around networks when they get dropped. Maybe we are more used to this type of thing. "Sliders" is an example of this, so was "Buffy" and others. I was always happy when a series got picked up by another network when one canceled it.
Torchwood wasn't that expensive to make compared to say Dr Who so it could easily have been made, makes me wonder why its a joint venture.. Kerching oh right lol. Look I'll watch it but I'm wondering if it will still have the dark thread of the last episodes. If not then I'll switch off.
Also and let me make this clear. My annoyance (borderline anger) is not about American money input I couldn't care less. My annoyance is at the BBC. now we have 5 tv channels ( ignoring Digital) BBC1 BBC2 ITV CHANNEL 4 & CHANNEL 5. now we have to pay for the BBC we have no choice, if I don't pay I can't own a TV in England. If ITV owned Torchwood and did this I wouldn't complain because ITV are a network run on sponsored adverts and product placement etc. I've made no secret my disdain for the BBC at times and this is another stick for me to throw at them.
It's amazing the BBC model is even still around. I think there is a place for Public Broadcasting paid for my contributions like our own PBS, but the idea of state sponsored TV is just....wrong. But then again I thin state sponsored anything is just wrong, so I am clearly biased. :)
Oh it gripes every tax payer. The thing is I like what the BBC initially stands for.
Still hey ho back to the topic I feel lol I look forward to saying what I think when we see it on Thursday.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on July 11, 2011, 06:13:27 AM
Torchwood wasn't that expensive to make compared to say Dr Who so it could easily have been made, makes me wonder why its a joint venture.. Kerching oh right lol. Look I'll watch it but I'm wondering if it will still have the dark thread of the last episodes. If not then I'll switch off.
Cost is relative. It's still based on money coming in and money going out. Obviously to keep the show going they needed funding from elsewhere - and Starz provided that.
So who owns the show now? It was a BBC property so I don't think being 'picked up' by another network really applies here since we're not talking about an independent production that's shopping itself around (as I understand things).
If it's not still a BBC property, how much did they charge for the sale? If it is still a BBC property then they probably should have done a better job of hanging on to their broadcast rights.
Some interesting stuff here:
http://community.starz.com/t5/Torchwood/How-much-money-did-STARZ-put-into-TW-vs-BBC/td-p/136382 (http://community.starz.com/t5/Torchwood/How-much-money-did-STARZ-put-into-TW-vs-BBC/td-p/136382)
I'm taking Dr Who back lol. Well that forum (bar being slightly irritating with the Brit moaning section) is about right and backs up what i'm saying about the BBC (note and i do keep saying this) Its the situation about the BBC that I am not happy about. The BBC can afford to make Torchwood they just chose not to because they don't like SciFi. Dr Who is still treated badly even though it has made them a hell of a lot of money. The BBC have always been like this, they canned Dr Who, Red Dwarf.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on July 11, 2011, 01:03:23 PM
I'm taking Dr Who back lol. Well that forum (bar being slightly irritating with the Brit moaning section) is about right and backs up what i'm saying about the BBC (note and i do keep saying this) Its the situation about the BBC that I am not happy about. The BBC can afford to make Torchwood they just chose not to because they don't like SciFi. Dr Who is still treated badly even though it has made them a hell of a lot of money. The BBC have always been like this, they canned Dr Who, Red Dwarf.
You do know that the US and UK versions will also have some different scenes. US has some things UK doesn't and vice versa. I'm going to try to see each version to see what has been changed.
According to the current Radio Times (interview with RTD), Starz has doubled the available funding rather than trebled it but that's against the funding that (I presume) comes from BBC Worldwide (the commercial organisation) rather than the state funded BBC itself.
This doesn't necessarily make things any better but I can now understand the timing thing a bit more although I still think they ought to have made equal first viewing a condition of the license to use the property.
On the up-side, it looks as though Starz did nothing more than supplied money. It suggests that they had (and asked for) no creative input at all, letting the team get on with making the show. This could be a good thing...
Kudos to Starz then. Good to see a network/company do old school tv production eg here you go now get on with it. Lol
Well just watched the first episode. Really enjoyed it, not too sure about a British citizen being so easily taken by a chap from the CIA but it's all in the flow of the story.
Fantastic special effects, some classic nods to zombie films going on there.
All in all great start to a promising series.
I have just watched the first episode myself this week. it is great to see the series again. I have look forward to seeing eversince I had heard about it last year. look forward to seeing the rest of the episodes.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on July 14, 2011, 02:00:21 PM
Well just watched the first episode. Really enjoyed it, not too sure about a British citizen being so easily taken by a chap from the CIA but it's all in the flow of the story.
Fantastic special effects, some classic nods to zombie films going on there.
All in all great start to a promising series.
Hi meds, I do agree with you that I find it a bit hard to believe that a US CIA agent would be able to arreast and expedite a UK citizen as was shown in the first episode. I think the writers made up a few things to make it sound real when the CIA agent quited some law or parts of a treaty that exist between the US and UK.
Quote from: Redshirt97 on July 14, 2011, 02:27:54 PM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on July 14, 2011, 02:00:21 PM
Well just watched the first episode. Really enjoyed it, not too sure about a British citizen being so easily taken by a chap from the CIA but it's all in the flow of the story.
Fantastic special effects, some classic nods to zombie films going on there.
All in all great start to a promising series.
Hi meds, I do agree with you that I find it a bit hard to believe that a US CIA agent would be able to arreast and expedite a UK citizen as was shown in the first episode. I think the writers made up a few things to make it sound real when the CIA agent quited some law or parts of a treaty that exist between the US and UK.
Looks like the world made a treaty based on the events of Children of Earth. I think that's pretty cool that they aren't white washing those events.
Quote from: X on July 14, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: Redshirt97 on July 14, 2011, 02:27:54 PM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on July 14, 2011, 02:00:21 PM
Well just watched the first episode. Really enjoyed it, not too sure about a British citizen being so easily taken by a chap from the CIA but it's all in the flow of the story.
Fantastic special effects, some classic nods to zombie films going on there.
All in all great start to a promising series.
Hi meds, I do agree with you that I find it a bit hard to believe that a US CIA agent would be able to arreast and expedite a UK citizen as was shown in the first episode. I think the writers made up a few things to make it sound real when the CIA agent quited some law or parts of a treaty that exist between the US and UK.
Looks like the world made a treaty based on the events of Children of Earth. I think that's pretty cool that they aren't white washing those events.
Yes I did not think about the treaty that could have been singed by the nation sof earth. I sure it as a secert treaty as well.
I liked the second episode quite a bit. Things are getting very interesting now. Anyone else watch yet?
Quote from: Rico on July 19, 2011, 05:36:05 PM
I liked the second episode quite a bit. Things are getting very interesting now. Anyone else watch yet?
I have the second episode recorded. I have not been able to watch it yet but I am looking forward to it.
We get it Thursday :) very much looking forward to it.
Ouch! I've just realised I'm still only halfway through episode 1!
I obviously had so much else going on over the weekend that I completely forgot to keep up with my TV viewing!
I just watched the second episode of Tourchwood season 4. it was great. can't wait to see the third episode when it is brocasted. i loved what Gwen said about the getaway car. that was a lol moment.
Excellent second episode. Bill Pullman is pulling his acting chops out, really impressed with him. Would people really want to forgive his charcter? Just because he cried on TV and said sorry?
Love the neck snap of the horrible lady, great to see her walking around with her head back to front :D
Yep, episode two was really fun. Loved the whole making the antidote part.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on July 21, 2011, 01:56:02 PM
Excellent second episode. Bill Pullman is pulling his acting chops out, really impressed with him. Would people really want to forgive his character? Just because he cried on TV and said sorry?
Love the neck snap of the horrible lady, great to see her walking around with her head back to front :D
Yes I thought the neck snapping sean was cool as well. I am sure the fans of the Dollhouse TV series recognized the actress who played the nasty CIA agent. she had been on of the dolls. Yes I do agree that bill puttm is doing a great acting job with this character. I am sure that this personis quite up to something else and is not sorry about his crime.
Just starting on Episode 2 now (while working at home, honest!).
Episode 1 has pulled me into this and I'm really starting to enjoy what I'm seeing. I was expecting a certain amount of discomfort in the fit between the Welsh and US scenes but, for the most part, they seem to have blended them together very well.
Quote from: Feathers on July 22, 2011, 02:07:48 AM
Just starting on Episode 2 now (while working at home, honest!).
Episode 1 has pulled me into this and I'm really starting to enjoy what I'm seeing. I was expecting a certain amount of discomfort in the fit between the Welsh and US scenes but, for the most part, they seem to have blended them together very well.
Yes I agree that the scenes in both countries blend in very well. it is almost like two different series.
I think it probably helps that Barrowman has an American accent.
Just watched episode three last night and it's getting more and more interesting. I like the interplay between the old and new characters. Oh, and things are starting to get a little steamier in true Torchwood style too. And the Bill Pullman character creeps me out - a lot!
Ah but John is Scottish and of course does speak in a scots accent.
John Barrowman's Scottish Accent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtDg23G1uc8#)
Yeah, he was born in Scotland but he moved to the States when he was young so I'm guessing it makes it pretty easy for him to speak with either type of accent when he wants. He certainly sounds American all the time to me on "Torchwood."
Oh yeah he swops his accent very well, it's weird he says his real accent is his Scots one but I find that hard go believe lol
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on July 25, 2011, 02:52:24 PM
Oh yeah he swops his accent very well, it's weird he says his real accent is his Scots one but I find that hard go believe lol
I don't think he said it's his real one, but more his at home with his family one. His normal accent with his partner is his american one. I'm willing to bet you'd find out his real accent after a few pints.
The cast of Torchwood past is interesting. Burn is American born but UK raised and John is Scots born and american raised.
Kind of like Mel Gibson was born and raised in New York for a little more than the first decade of his life and only in Australia for about the same amount of time (11 or so years).
Quote from: Feathers on July 25, 2011, 12:25:44 AM
I think it probably helps that Barrowman has an American accent.
I belive it does too.
Just watched the latest one, still very much enjoying it. I am still having a hard time believing that people would forgive the Oswald character. I wouldn't, I couldn't care less if he cried on TV and said he was sorry.
Just watched episode 3 last night. it was very good. [spoiler]got a suprise with the sex secean with capt jack and the guy he met at the gay bar. then the scene between the CIA agent and his doctor. the way it was edited was very cool. The plot is really thickens now especial with this Danes charither involed. [/spoiler] I hope that I have not given any plot spoilers away.
edit:
I'll spoiler tag some of that for you. - rico
I think the whole forgiveness thing is the bit that stretches it just a little far. Having said that, I find it easier to imagine the US audience falling for it (I'm guessing there's more to this than the obvious) than us cynical Brits.
Regardless of my earlier caution, I'm probably enjoying this more than most Torchwood that I've seen to date.
Quote from: Feathers on August 01, 2011, 02:42:14 PM
I think the whole forgiveness thing is the bit that stretches it just a little far. Having said that, I find it easier to imagine the US audience falling for it (I'm guessing there's more to this than the obvious) than us cynical Brits.
Regardless of my earlier caution, I'm probably enjoying this more than most Torchwood that I've seen to date.
Maybe because it was written by Brits that they believe that the US is less cynical, but that's not the case. I chalk it up to another effect of Miracle Day.
I'm not following why you guys are all talking about the Danes character being forgiven. They've only shown a few people here and there doing that and others not trusting him. I don't see really see this as a big deal. Now, in the most recent episode there were a few more twists regarding this, but nothing too shocking or hard to swallow. Keep in mind that at this point the world is kind of upside down and people are looking for leadership. One thing I'm having more trouble with is why they don't seem to be showing the government or the President much at all? There are comments here and there about the government being silent and so forth. Now, if something like Miracle Day did happen I would hope the government would try and step up - to some degree. Of course we don't really know the whole story yet, so maybe there is something going on to explain some of these things.
I think it's because its been a central tag throughout the first episodes, people smiling at the TV, the fairly large lady saying "did you touch him". OK its not showing everyone but it still highlighted. [spoiler]Of course in the latest episode that takes a slight turn because he is preaching to the neglected and that's a nice little turn which works especially when he lifts the little girl up and says she will live forever, that was a good bit of writing there because we as a viewer know what he is and are aware of his crimes but the dying have to look past that.[/spoiler]
Nice little tag when Jack says his name is John Smith which of course the Doctors alias. I've noticed that some characters do not come off too great, they either come across as annoying or bumbling [spoiler](the woman phoning social services about her sisters kids and then getting upset when they take them away i mean what did she expect sheesh)[/spoiler] but that could also be that they are writing characters that do have flaws and that's brave for a TV series, well done them.
They need to do a Terminator 2 with the seriously ill, just dump them in molten metal, total incineration but that may be a bit hard core.[spoiler] What a fantastic end to the woman, crushed in a car, very creepy, reminded me of The Twilight Zone.[/spoiler]
The one thing that I always think of is where is The Doctor. I mean this is a pretty big thing, the Earth is at serious risk and normally the old blue box would turn up.
I guess that's always the rik of playing in the Who-verse. I suppose that what should surprise us more is that the authorities aren't asking the same question on screen!
Quote from: Feathers on August 05, 2011, 02:19:24 AM
I guess that's always the rik of playing in the Who-verse. I suppose that what should surprise us more is that the authorities aren't asking the same question on screen!
Yes I agree, Capt Jack keeps talking about how old he is and the CIA guy doen't seem to belive him.
Pretty wild episode this week. Quite a bit happened and a few really big things. I think this was episode 5 of the ten they are doing. Things are definitely getting more dangerous for the team.
I'm loving this series, but then again, there hasn't been a time when I haven't loved it. I loved it since a day after the first ep aired in the UK and it's been great since!
I haven't seen this yet as I don't have Starz.. but I'm hearing such horrible things from people who have loved Torchwood and I trust their tastes.. But it seems like folks here are enjoying it.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on August 08, 2011, 12:25:39 PM
I haven't seen this yet as I don't have Starz.. but I'm hearing such horrible things from people who have loved Torchwood and I trust their tastes.. But it seems like folks here are enjoying it.
What horrible things have you been hearing? Also, there does seem to be some fans that are looking to not like the show since it moved from it's UK roots. I might have been concerned myself if the show wasn't being handled by the same creative team that it used in the past.
Take Meds for instance. I don't think he's ever been a big Torchwood fan. His relationship with the show might have changed with Children of Earth, but I think he's even liking Miracle Day.
Quote from: X on August 08, 2011, 01:57:04 PM
Take Meds for instance.
Really? Do we have to?? :)
I honestly think it's being dragged out too much. Come on. We're nearly 5 hours into the story now and I'm betting it could all have been edited down to less than 2.
Finding it neither great nor dreadful. Very mediocre
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on August 08, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
I honestly think it's being dragged out too much. Come on. We're nearly 5 hours into the story now and I'm betting it could all have been edited down to less than 2.
Finding it neither great nor dreadful. Very mediocre
I would agree it's a little dragged out so far, but it's hard to know for sure until we see it all. They seem to be putting certain things in play and setting stuff up. Time will tell if that all pans out. I also notice they seem to be sort of assembling a new Torchwood team during all this. So they are spending time telling us about these new characters. I'm enjoying it.
I don't feel as though I'm any the wiser about the new characters though. I think thats one thing that is pushing me towards "meh" with it. I'll be sticking with it though.
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on August 08, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
I don't feel as though I'm any the wiser about the new characters though. I think thats one thing that is pushing me towards "meh" with it. I'll be sticking with it though.
Really? What about Rex and his dad and Esther and her sister?
I'm enjoying this season for the most part. It does seem like it could have been done in a 5 hour arc like Children of Earth. Early days yet, the 2nd half of the arc might make the slow build worth it. With the most recent episode as I post this, I think think are about to really ramp up.
Quote from: Rico on August 08, 2011, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on August 08, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
I don't feel as though I'm any the wiser about the new characters though. I think thats one thing that is pushing me towards "meh" with it. I'll be sticking with it though.
Really? What about Rex and his dad and Esther and her sister?
I don't feel it really went into any depth. We've seen Rex's Dad the once for about 5 minutes with no real lead up to it or follow up after (but there's still time)
And all I kept thinking was "Thats Winston from Ghostbusters?"
Esther and her sister was slightly more insightful. But again, unless she's specifically mentioning them (which isn't often) I don't feel as though they are in the characters thoughts.
But, there's still a chance. The problem maybe that I watched Children Of earth immediately prior to watching this. Perhaps it's the difference in pace jumping straight from one to the other that is jarring me...
OK this series is like a mattress, there is so much padding its ridiculous. This should be a 6 or 7 episode not 10. There is some great parts and a ending which if you look back on one of my posts i mentioned should happen.
I still cannot fathom out the whole Oswald thing. He's a convicted child molester and killer and no way on this Earth would you get people cheering for him. Its not believable regardless of it all being miracle day. Yes he does a good speech ( I have lost heaven forever) but really? would people so quickly forget what he did.
I think its a good series, too long as i already said, I was not a fan of the first couple of series but Children of Earth really was good acting and story telling, plus i still have the memory of John Fobisher (Peter Capaldi) killing his children. Now that was great story telling.
Quote from: Rico on August 08, 2011, 08:36:06 AM
Pretty wild episode this week. Quite a bit happened and a few really big things. I think this was episode 5 of the ten they are doing. Things are definitely getting more dangerous for the team.
Yes this show is getting better and better.
I think I'm about to punch out on this one. Too dark for my liking.
I am LOVING this show!
Okay, this latest one (6?) seemed much more to my liking. I actually felt as though the characters were more involved with each other than I previously had....not many to go now!!
I don't mind the darkness that fine but it's so drawn out. I'm afraid it's a 7 parter not 10. Some good editing and this could be great. Funny myself and my mate Peter talked about it last night and both cane to the conclusion it's way too long. I'll still keep watching though :)
Have you seen episode 6 yet? To me, it felt like a totally different drama. As though different writers were involved who actually "got it".
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on August 15, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Have you seen episode 6 yet? To me, it felt like a totally different drama. As though different writers were involved who actually "got it".
Here is what I see: Starz is a major station here and has far more viewers than bbc america. For this show to capture new people, they have to take the time to explain the old people. While this is a fourth series, it was produced as if it was a first series and the characters previous adventures are back story. I can see this happening because Starz doesn't have the rights to the other series and have to make something that can stand on it's own for new people.
While this might draw out the story for those of us that have seen the other stuff, I think it's a great compromise so that new people aren't lost as soon as they started watching the show.
So, if you shift the lens and consider this a series one instead of a series 4, does it play differently?
I think it does. I think they did the same sort of things with Jack in series one because they needed to reintroduce him to people that might not have followed Doctor Who.
yeah i've seen the latest one, I think my problem could be that is just find all the new characters so damn annoying lol.
Latest episode (6) I really enjoyed. It seems to bounce around quite a bit but this had a real decent story to it and plus it's great to see a ex Ghostbusters on screen.
I wasn't really watching it, but the wife was while I was in the room so I tuned in to the last few minutes. I can't say as I noticed any Ghostbusters, but I did see a cute former Bajoran.
From what I've seen so far, this series has fallen into the category of good watching, but not great or compulsory viewing. Rex & Esther, as many seem to mention, feel slightly underdeveloped so far. We only seem to be getting snapshots of who they are and their backgrounds.
Oh good...now I have to watch the next ep...I just found out [spoiler] Q himself is in it. [/spoiler]
I think some of the differences this season are due to the change in networks and basing a lot of the show in America. That plus the new characters makes it different from the "Torchwood" of old. The last episode was interesting and I wondered where they were going with the whole Jack history lesson until the very end of the episode. I think things are now about to get more intense.
I just finshed watching ep isode 6 I think. I have lost count some where along the way, but it is the one where we see Ernie Hudson make his appearance as the phicore executive. I must say that this show is getting even better and better. now there is even a darker mystery involved. I have the next episode recorded allready, I was two behind but now only one behind so the next episode looks like its going to be great.
Quote from: Pyrovile on August 14, 2011, 07:55:26 PM
I think I'm about to punch out on this one. Too dark for my liking.
I think Tourchwood was intended to be a dark show.
Quote from: Redshirt97 on August 25, 2011, 05:07:09 AM
I think Tourchwood was intended to be a dark show.
I have no problem with dark. I just wish this season of Torchwood was good. :(
This season has been moving at a snails pace. As Rico pointed out I think the big collaboration between networks caused them to stretch the story way out and by bringing in a bunch of new higher profile writers I think the story has gone in far too many directions. Plus the fact that there's almost no genre content. So, so disappointing.
I loved early Torchwood back in series 1 and 2.
Kevin
Quote from: Kevin Bachelder on August 25, 2011, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: Redshirt97 on August 25, 2011, 05:07:09 AM
I think Tourchwood was intended to be a dark show.
I have no problem with dark. I just wish this season of Torchwood was good. :(
This season has been moving at a snails pace. As Rico pointed out I think the big collaboration between networks caused them to stretch the story way out and by bringing in a bunch of new higher profile writers I think the story has gone in far too many directions. Plus the fact that there's almost no genre content. So, so disappointing.
I loved early Torchwood back in series 1 and 2.
Kevin
I do see what you mean. this season is so different from the previous seasons. I do think that this was intended to be a mini series's with a different setting all togher. I certainly loved the first two and the third season. I really enjoying the this season as well, I think it cool that the have the series take place in the us.
Quote from: Kevin Bachelder on August 25, 2011, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: Redshirt97 on August 25, 2011, 05:07:09 AM
I think Tourchwood was intended to be a dark show.
I have no problem with dark. I just wish this season of Torchwood was good. :(
This season has been moving at a snails pace. As Rico pointed out I think the big collaboration between networks caused them to stretch the story way out and by bringing in a bunch of new higher profile writers I think the story has gone in far too many directions. Plus the fact that there's almost no genre content. So, so disappointing.
I loved early Torchwood back in series 1 and 2.
Kevin
What do you mean no genre content? The whole premise is sci-fi. People aren't dying ... can't get more sci-fi than than.
I've noticed that the better episodes are not RTD episodes. Also I'd like to see them take all the episodes, edit them down to a 7 episode series, cut the Pullman character (really so far it's pointless) and cut the welsh scenes because all thus airport nonsense is terrible. I mean in the first or second episode Rex flies from America to London then drives to wales whilst talking to the woman er !!! Pointless padding.
Anyway watching the latest one tonight.
Quote from: X on August 25, 2011, 05:13:17 PM
What do you mean no genre content? The whole premise is sci-fi. People aren't dying ... can't get more sci-fi than than.
Granted the "problem" appears to be scifi but we're 2/3 of the way through the story and we haven't even seen a tiny bit about what's causing it.
Zip...zero...nada...genre elements.
Kevin
Yes, the genre elements are certainly not very big - at least not yet. But we did get some info last week near the end of the episode of possibly what might be going on or at least who might know about it. Certainly this isn't like the Torchwood of the early seasons, but I'm still enjoying it.
Well just watched the latest episode and part of me wants to scream at the TV in anger at some of the writing and the other part i want to applaud. Great line " i will rip the skin from your skull " from Jack. I like the backstory, but I have noticed the serious change that Jack originally would sleep with anyone or anything and now its just men. If that's the case then RTD should have just wrote him as gay.
Very predictable end but hey ho, great to see Nana Visitor on the screen, always good to see her back on the screen.
Tonight's new episode preview - with Kira and Q!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgM2BlppKBk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgM2BlppKBk#)
P.S. Maybe Q caused the Miracle. ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on August 26, 2011, 01:46:05 AM
I've noticed that the better episodes are not RTD episodes. Also I'd like to see them take all the episodes, edit them down to a 7 episode series, cut the Pullman character (really so far it's pointless) and cut the welsh scenes because all thus airport nonsense is terrible. I mean in the first or second episode Rex flies from America to London then drives to wales whilst talking to the woman er !!! Pointless padding.
Anyway watching the latest one tonight.
I noticed that too, but the again after that he had a woman and made a baby. maybe he has his phases and is on a man kick since he can't screw Gwen anymore.
Quote from: X on August 25, 2011, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Kevin Bachelder on August 25, 2011, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: Redshirt97 on August 25, 2011, 05:07:09 AM
I think Tourchwood was intended to be a dark show.
I have no problem with dark. I just wish this season of Torchwood was good. :(
This season has been moving at a snails pace. As Rico pointed out I think the big collaboration between networks caused them to stretch the story way out and by bringing in a bunch of new higher profile writers I think the story has gone in far too many directions. Plus the fact that there's almost no genre content. So, so disappointing.
I loved early Torchwood back in series 1 and 2.
Kevin
What do you mean no genre content? The whole premise is sci-fi. People aren't dying ... can't get more sci-fi than than.
Yes there is plenty of scifi in it. I thought the whole thing of immortality was well thought out. it is not quite the Paradise people hoped it would be, immortality has bring a lot of unforeseen problems of its own. I do remember seeing some good science being mention in episodes 2 or 3, this was during the meetings between the doctors and other scientist in d.c.
Lol Chris you have a point. I must Dmit it was good to hear him talk about the Doctor, although you still have to ask yourself where is he during miracle day? That's the downside of Torchwood. It's a bit like when we used to say why doesn't Superman ever help out Batman when Gothams in the poop, suddenly DC goes oh yeah and we have meet up comics. Won't happen though but wouldn't it be cool that at the end a blue box pops up and everything is fine lol, ok cop out writing.
Really interesting latest episode. Things seem to finally be taking shape and heading down a certain path. Good to be getting a little info - finally. Fun to see John de Lancie. He really needs a regular TV series - he's such a great actor. I won't say too much more until more people have seen it.
Just watched the lastest episode this past Monday. The mystery keeps getting deeper and deeper. Loved the appearance by john delencey. I loved his comment to capt jack when they first met in the massion of jacks former lover. a lol moment.
Just watched the latest episode. Great to see John but urghh, i'm really struggling to keep watching. Great to see some scifi turning up but i'll keep saying you could edit all these episodes down into a ok series. I'll still see it out though.
Now I'm seeing the Scifi in it. Now it feels like Torchwood.
I've been thinking today.
[spoiler]If the blessing goes all the way through the planet, how in the world (bad pun) could the Racnoss space ship be at the center of the Earth as seen in the Dr Who episode "The Runaway Bride"?
Am I thinking too much into things? Did the reboot of the universe that happened at the end of the last season of Dr Who have something to do with it? I mean, come on, Jack mentioned the Doctor a couple weeks back. It's not like they are trying to take themselves away from the Dr Who universe. Russell T Davies wrote both the "Run Away Bride" and the latest episode.
Screw it. I'm considering this one of those "Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey" things.
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ok whilst I luv many things american (most TV shows, several authors, football, pc games etc) please please can we have Torchwood back, this new series has been the most slow boring torture I can imagine. Its like they have a key check lists of points and you can't have more than one per episode. You could have wrapped it up by now! They should rename it Torturewood.
And whilst I'm ranting enough with the adult themes already, I get that a certain character is important to the plot and Jack's story arc, I don't need to see them getting it on for an entire episode!
I'm fed up with adult content on my screens every night. Its part of the reason I haven't watched Game of Thrones yet, I know whats in the books and the series is pretty faithful. Does there really need to be so much adult content in everything we watch? We all like sci-fi and fantasy here, it follows we have active imaginations, we can work out what's happening without it being shoved in our faces.
The current season is definitely different, but I'm still enjoying things. I miss some of the characters from past seasons, but I knew they couldn't be back. I think they are starting to wrap things up now. Only one more episode to go.
OK gang only one episode of Torchwood Miracle day left. can't wait for the finale.
Quote from: Redshirt97 on September 07, 2011, 08:45:03 AM
OK gang only one episode of Torchwood Miracle day left. can't wait for the finale.
I thought we had been waiting forever and ever and ever.......ok I'll stop now :wallbash:
Quote from: Geoff G.o.B on September 07, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: Redshirt97 on September 07, 2011, 08:45:03 AM
OK gang only one episode of Torchwood Miracle day left. can't wait for the finale.
I thought we had been waiting forever and ever and ever.......ok I'll stop now :wallbash:
Yes I was wondering when it would all end too.
All I can say is WOW! Not what I expected and I love it!
I was enjoying it, but like most of you, I had my doubts. The ending blew me away.
[spoiler]So, Jack kept saying his blood wasn't the miracle, yet in the end it absolutely was. After all, Rex is immortal as well. Or at the very least, he was saved just this once.[/spoiler]
I enjoyed the ending quite a bit.
[spoiler]I really liked how they handled Gwen in this episode and in this whole season. She is a real person with real emotions and real reactions to things. I like how Torchwood has changed her - and not always for the better. How they resolved it all worked for me. And the very end was a nice little twist.[/spoiler]
Fun ride - hope we get a season 5.
I really must stop looking at this thread until Thursday. The risk of discovering something to my disadvantage is too great. Must resist!
Quote from: Feathers on September 11, 2011, 12:32:44 PM
I really must stop looking at this thread until Thursday. The risk of discovering something to my disadvantage is too great. Must resist!
Yes - you must resist. And keep in mind there are reasons we put things inside spoiler buttons. :)
Just watched the last episode yesterday. It was great and it had a very surprising ending. I do think that they are setting themselves up for a sequel.
I thought it all ended a little bit on the corny side tbh. Overall, it has had moments that were quite good and moments that were dreadful. I don't think the story deserved a full 10 episodes
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One thing I didn't particularly like or understand. Why is Rex immortal? I thought Jack was immortal because he is a part of fixed event in the future and can not die until that event. Now it seems he's got magic blood. Does that mean that any blood transfusion he gives makes the recipient immortal? [/spoiler]
I listened to Jim Moon on the Hypnobobs podcast talk about what he would have done to make Torchwood better and had to agree with him and the points he raised. Torchwood is supposed to be a massive underground and clued up operation, bigger than the CIA or anything. We saw the destruction of Torchwood 1 in Doctor Who and Jack explained that Torchwood 2 just mysteriously vanished. Instead of bringing it back as Torchwood just being 2 individuals who now have considerably less tech and resources than the CIA, it would have made sense to bring back Torchwood 2.
That was Jim's opinion and it really made sense to me. It was nice to see Torchwood back, but it was a really wasted opportunity imo
To answer your question:
[spoiler]It was answered in the show before it happened. The Blessing has control of live and death through the morphic field of Earth. It took Jack's blood to become immortal before it was hurt and shared that with everyone. When it reverted back, it had the power to still alter the life of others and reached out and saved Rex (who saved it) by making Rex like Jack. Which was what Gwen had asked only moments before it happened ... why didn't it save Ester? We know from Doctor Who that Jack is more than a fixed point in time ... he still ages to some degree. We know how he came back, but we don't know the mechanics. Just as Rose brought Jack back, the Blessing could have mimicked the power for Rex. It obviously had the power to cure Jack from being a fixed point in time. Nothing says that it doesn't have the power to make Rex one. All of the elements are there and the power to do it is clearly established over the course of the series. Chalk it up to something with the power to free Jack and then return him to immortality having the same ability to bestow it on Rex.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I see it from a different perspective. I think the transfusion from Jack made Rex become like Jack. He was dying like Jack. So when things went back to normal he went from dying when everyone was immortal to being immortal when everyone was dying.[/spoiler]
It all just seems a bit too contrived and convenient...and corny :)
Well just watched the last episode and yeah it was ok but boy what a long winded series. Should not have been ten episodes at all, they could edit that down to a fairly good six episode series.
I agree the ending had some great parts mainly with Gwen but i could see it coming a mile away with the ultimate conclusion and [spoiler]with Rex looking like he may be like Jack was a bit crap really, I mean the thing about Jack is he is unique. Also of course we know what jack becomes. [/spoiler] I don't know do I think judging by this series that a new one should be comissioned? no. Do I think we'll see Jack and Gwen again? Yes.
I really think the length of the series was them setting some things in place for the future. This story of these "families" doesn't appear to be over. Same thing with some of the new characters. I can appreciate what they did with "Miracle Day"and enjoyed it, but I do still miss the Torchwood of old.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 15, 2011, 02:04:55 PM
Or do we? We are assuming something that hasn't been confirmed.
Well I think when that was said it was a great pay off and gave Jack some conclusion and also gave the viewers the thoughts of how he there.
The more I think about it the more I feel RTD is a great ideas man but he's a bit of. Lucas when it comes to writing.
Seen it and enjoyed it but I'm not going to go overboard about it.
Was it too long? Yes, somewhat.
Should it return? I'd watch it if it did.
Was it Torchwood? Hmmm. That's the key I think.
To me it was nothing special but I did enjoy it and would watch more. What it comes down to in my mind, I think, is that they named it wrong. It's not 'Torchwood', but 'After Torchwood' and takes the remaining characters on beyond the end of the previous series.
That's fine by me since until 'Children of Earth, the series only ever reached 'OK' in my book. If this new format gives them more to play with then fine.
One thing I did like more than I expected was the cuts between the UK and US locations and life as we switched back and forth between the countries. I have no idea about the reality of the US bits (don't you all live in cavernous houses with double garages and air conditioning?) but it matched what other shows portray and the UK locations felt like any realistic BBC drama to me. I guess I've seen both many times, but never mixed together like this.
Oh and I wasn't completely sold on the ending. I like a little more in the way of pseudo-scientific facts to back up the story (but without great reams of exposition dialogue if at all possible!).
For the record, I liked this more than "Children of Earth." I really had an issue with the crux of that whole story.
I liked the darkness of that series though, I think that broke the boundaries especially for Brit TV. It had a HBO feel about it. I can see why you feel that way though Rico, it was definatley a love or hate it series.