Michael Jackson had a heart attack today.. and it's now being reported that he has died.
Such a sad day.
So this is not official yet.. TMZ.com is reporting it but they aren't always 100% correct. It is all over twitter and we do know he did have a heart attack... so I guess will wait and see.
I believe the heart attack, until I see more then TMZ talking about death I'm not believing that. Still, horrible news.
MSN has a link to the news story on its front page but the server is to busy. It simply reads as a heart attack. No report of him passing away.
Conflicting reports at the moment, cardiac arrest? some say he's dead.
CNN just reported that he has died.
So many different repots.. guess will find out in a few hours.. CNN is now saying he is in a Coma.
Blimey, what a shock. Yeah i just heard he was in a coma. We'll have to await for official reports.
From what I can hear and see he isn't officially dead yet. Maybe adjust the post title Kenny.
Cnn just sent me an email saying he had passed. How sad. I wonder what happened to cause the heart attack?
LA Times is reporting his death now.
I should think the stress of attempting to do 50 odd shows in london, considering he hasn't completed a tour in twelve years doing 50 seemed way too much for a man in his health to do.
A piece of my childhood has died today.
Just got a text form a friend saying NBC confirmed it on TV.
yeah it's looks to be official.. everyone is now confirming it.
50? I never would have guessed. I still remember him on stage with his brothers/Thriller album. A sad loss.
Sad day, sad day indeed.
HOLY MOLY!?!?!
Ed, Farrah, and now MJ. Unbelievable and so sad.
My wife and I were just talking about how these things happen in threes and wondering if there would be another "famous" death, then we saw the news about MJ on the net... freaked us out a little.
All three were kind of icons of the 80's. If you were were a teenager in the 80's you knew all three of these (though your parents were probably the ones watching Carson...)
I was never a big fan of MJ's music or his "weirdness", but I can't deny that the Thriller album is still part of the soundtrack of my life.
Well there have been four deaths recently David Caradine, Ed McMahon, Farah Facett and now Michael Jackson.
I suppose it depends on the time frame you use. In any case, it's all quite sad.
I always held out hope he would get it together and get out and start making great music again. I don't excuse or condone a lot of what he did, but a part of me feels terrible for his circumstances. He was born into this bizarre life of pop music he could never escape. How can you ever lead a normal life surrounded by fame, fans, and world that never says no to you?
Well it's official the LA County Coroner has confirmed Michael Jackson has died at the age of 50
I must say I was shocked to hear this. Seems sort of typical for MJ, in that no one knew for sure for hours if he really died or not. He was truly a superstar, and was popular just about everywhere, even with all the troubles he had in his later years.
Michael was an amazing musician and performer. He impacted the world with his music. I can't imagine what it was like to be him. I am sorry that he is gone at such a young age. I would have liked to see what he would have come up with musically. I am praying for his family and hoping that folks can get over the loss.
I'll never forget seeing Thriller for the first time on MTV. Sent shivers down my spine and I couldn't wait to watch it again and again. Genius.
It's too bad that things got sticky in his later life. I don't know what was true and what wasn't, all I know is that I wish he would have just made music and performed. That was what he was amazing at.
Sad day.
Michael was born to entertain people and entertain us he did. Unfortunately he seemed to had forgotten that. His bizarre behavior and scandals disenfranchised him from much of his fan base. He was an incredible dancer (although he stole a lot of his moves from Fred Astaire). I will always see him as that little ten and eleven year old kid in the early 1970s singin' "I Want You Back", "ABC", and "I'll Be There". Even as a young kid he had to dance and was an overnight sensation. To watch him mature as an individual artist and climb to even greater fame in the 1980s was a pop culture phenomenon. Nobody can stay at the top forever and Michael fell. We all watched his sad decline and wondered what went wrong. Now when he was attempting to make his big and long awaited comeback he will just have to be remembered for the talent he was.
Kevin
Very sad news.
Rest in peace, Michael.
I have very little sympathy for this man. I become incredulous when people justify or excuse his horrendous crimes by citing the difficulties of being a child star. Frankly I don't care how good a dancer you are, if you abuse a helpless child you should be locked away somewhere you can never damage another innocent again.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on June 26, 2009, 06:00:49 AM
I have very little sympathy for this man. I become incredulous when people justify or excuse his horrendous crimes by citing the difficulties of being a child star. Frankly I don't care how good a dancer you are, if you abuse a helpless child you should be locked away somewhere you can never damage another innocent again.
As far as I know none of those charges were ever proven. I am not defending him, and you can believe what you want, but I would suggest when posting such comments you stick to the official, known facts. I know this is a tricky and delicate manner as I have two children of my own. But again, none of us truly can know what went on in Michael Jackson's life.
Well it is officially known that after the initial charges Michael Jackson paid the child and his family twenty two million dollars in order to avoid criminal prosecution. And ten years later more accusations emerged, and although the man was acquitted, evidence was produced at the trial that clearly indicated abusive behavior. There's no reason to go into the sick details of what those behaviors were, but it is enough to say that activities were described that no innocent child would have any business knowing, talking or thinking about. If that verdict proves anything, it's that if you have enough money you can get away with anything in this country.
Evidence is one thing, 100% proof is another. I'm not going to get into a debate and again I'm not defending anything or anyone. I knew this would come up and I just choose to only say things that I know for certain. Especially about someone who has just died.
He was acquitted on all charges and like Rico said, we don't know what the real story is and never will. Of course you can have your opinions, we are all allowed those. For me I loved the man, I grew up on his music. Michael Jackson broke down the racial barriers, generational barriers, and cultural barriers. He touched the lives of so many people. I was watching the news last night and there were white, black, Asian, Indian, Mexican, old, young, female and male people crying at the lose of King of Pop. He was loved by the world. I won't deny that he did some bizarre things that were unexplainable, but who are we to judge. I'll always remember the man that brought so much joy to my life for my 38 + years on this Earth. Thanks Michael for touching my soul.
If you are accused of something and acquitted, you are not guilty of that charge. What's the point of this process if you are suspect for the rest of your life. Maybe the legal system is broken but if that's the case just throw everyone accused of a crime in jail without trial because it's a waste of everyone's time and money.
I agree. It's easy to remember the bad and forget the good. The man is the King of Pop for a reason. I've always been a casual MJ fan but there's no denying his music is iconic and made a huge impact on the entire world.
Whatever he did or didn't do in his personal life won't change that fact.
How do you provide 100% proof of something after the fact in any other way but with evidence? Look I'm not trying to troll or cause controversy. It's just that all the starry eyed eulogizing going on right now (not here on this site or thread, just in general) is really burning me up considering the history this man has.
I'm not arguing. All I'm saying is that in my mind, if he was acquitted, he didn't do it. It's easy to rip people down for their controversies. In death I like to remember the good things.
A civil suit and a criminal case are two totally separate cases. In a criminal case, you must believe "BEYOND RESONABLE DOUBT" that the person has committed the crime and is guilty of the alleged crime. In a civil suit, you only need to have "STANDARD of PROOF" which is far easier to become satisfied. This is why in most cases you can see some acquitted on criminal counts, but still pay in a civil court system. All the evidence is the same, but because you need two different standards of evidence your argument is completely invalid.
"Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard of proof required in most criminal cases within an adversarial system. Generally the prosecution bears the burden of proof and is required to prove their version of events to this standard. This means that the proposition being presented by the prosecution must be proven to the extent that there is no "reasonable doubt" in the mind of a reasonable person that the defendant is guilty. There can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a "reasonable person's" belief regarding whether or not the defendant is guilty. "The shadow of a doubt" is sometimes used interchangeably with reasonable doubt, but this extends beyond the latter, to the extent many believe it an impossible standard[citation needed]. Reasonable doubt is therefore used."
"This standard of proof in a civil lawsuit is significantly easier to satisfy than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of a criminal case. In a civil lawsuit, the case must be proved by a "preponderance of the evidence," that is, by enough evidence to conclude that it is more likely than not that the victim's claims are true. A victim can still pursue a civil lawsuit, even if the criminal prosecution resulted in a "not guilty" verdict. Criminal prosecutions require a unanimous decision by all twelve jurors, which can be difficult to achieve. Civil lawsuits require agreement by only ten of twelve jurors for a decision. These significant differences between civil and criminal cases were underscored in the highly publicized O.J. Simpson case. The families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman were able to obtain a $33.5 million dollar settlement against O.J. Simpson in civil court even though he had been acquitted of the murders in the criminal prosecution."
Copy and pasted from two websites.
Quote from: billybob476 on June 26, 2009, 08:15:09 AM
there's no denying his music is iconic and made a huge impact on the entire world.
Whatever he did or didn't do in his personal life won't change that fact.
This is the exact sentiment that sickens me about the whole situation. If he didn't have multi millions to spend on legal defenses and was actually convicted of his crimes would you make the same statement? How entertaining does a person have to be in order to get a "get out of jail free" card in our society? How depraved of a crime do you have to commit in order to incur the wrath of public opinion in the USA? As much as I loved Michael Jackson's music when I was a kid too (I had the "Making of: Thriller" on laser disc and probably watched it 100 times growing up) I can't listen to that stuff anymore or think about Michael Jackson without feeling sad for the victims of his actions.
I'm going to bow out of this one now. I have said what I wanted to say.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on June 26, 2009, 08:58:32 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on June 26, 2009, 08:15:09 AM
there's no denying his music is iconic and made a huge impact on the entire world.
Whatever he did or didn't do in his personal life won't change that fact.
This is the exact sentiment that sickens me about the whole situation. If he didn't have multi millions to spend on legal defenses and was actually convicted of his crimes would you make the same statement? How entertaining does a person have to be in order to get a "get out of jail free" card in our society? How depraved of a crime do you have to commit in order to incur the wrath of public opinion in the USA? As much as I loved Michael Jackson's music when I was a kid too (I had the "Making of: Thriller" on laser disc and probably watched it 100 times growing up) I can't listen to that stuff anymore or think about Michael Jackson without feeling sad for the victims of his actions.
Were you on the juror on the Michael Jackson cases?? Did you hear all the evidence and see all the evidence? Or are you going by what the media has released? Again like I have said you can have your opinions just as I can have mine and if those "sicken" you then so be it.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on June 26, 2009, 09:08:01 AM
Were you on the juror on the Michael Jackson cases?? Did you hear all the evidence and see all the evidence? Or are you going by what the media has released? Again like I have said you can have your opinions just as I can have mine and if those "sicken" you then so be it.
Are these serious questions you expect me to answer? Of course I wasn't a juror. Of course I have based my opinions on the evidence that we have been presented by the various forms of media available to us. I guess your point is that I am somehow ill informed and therefore my opinion is suspect or worth less because of that? It boils down to the fact that in my mind, there could have been no evidence presented at all (but there was) and the simple fact that paying 22 million dollars to make the accusation of child molestation go away indicates guilt on some level. That is not the action of an innocent man. At that point I can no longer in good conscience enjoy myself being entertained by an individual when I know that they are so sick and perverted that they could abuse a child. If that angers you Kenny, then so be it.
I don't have much else to say either. Everyone will believe what they will and a post on a forum won't change that.
Loved going to see this at Disneyland.. was upset when they removed it.
Michael Jackson - Captain Eo part 1 of 2 ( FULL VERSION ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AstW05bDiQU#lq-lq2-hq)
Michael Jackson - Captain Eo part 2 of 2 ( FULL VERSION ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Zt-57Cg0U#lq-lq2-hq)
Nathan and I just watched it. I hadn't seen that before. Was it a 3-D movie Kenny?
Well I found out last night at 12:30 AM local time over our portable radios. Our staff sergeant said "Michael Jackson is dead." Some of us didn't believe him but somehow I knew staff sergeant wouldn't say something insipid over the radio. And sure enough we confirmed it when we checked it out on the Internet. So some of us started playing some of Micheal Jackson's songs until we went to sleep. It was a sad night for a lot of us. Jackson was truly a great artist and performer.
Quote from: moyer777 on June 26, 2009, 10:16:37 AM
Nathan and I just watched it. I hadn't seen that before. Was it a 3-D movie Kenny?
Yep it was in 3D and it was so much fun. Saw it many times at Disneyland.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 25, 2009, 04:40:39 PM
I always held out hope he would get it together and get out and start making great music again. I don't excuse or condone a lot of what he did, but a part of me feels terrible for his circumstances. He was born into this bizarre life of pop music he could never escape. How can you ever lead a normal life surrounded by fame, fans, and world that never says no to you?
I agree. I hope none of it was true. And he was
very odd— a product of his missing childhood and subsequent stardom. But Michael Jackson was a huge part of
my childhood. I can remember when Thriller came out. My elementary school had a talent show and several girls in my third grade class did the dance on stage.
I listened to We Are The World on the radio this morning. I use to know all the words. Anyway...very sad news.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on June 26, 2009, 09:24:32 AM
It boils down to the fact that in my mind, there could have been no evidence presented at all (but there was) and the simple fact that paying 22 million dollars to make the accusation of child molestation go away indicates guilt on some level. That is not the action of an innocent man.
I don't think you can draw that conclusion at all. A civil trial is a tricky thing and given enough legal zeal of the prosecution, even the innocent can be punished. The desire to avoid a trial is certainly NOT an admission of guilt on any level. You are welcome to draw that conclusion, but don't be surprised when others disagree.
Personally, I don't think we even remotely got close to the truth in either of those cases and we never will know the truth. There was too much money and notoriety at stake for there to ever be justice for either party. Do I think MJ was an emotionally troubled man. Certainly. Do I think he was a child molester? No, but I do think he made astoundingly poor decisions about what is an appropriate relationship between a child and an adult. I don't feel he did this out of malice, I think he did this without understanding the consequences, which doesn't excuse it. There should have been consequences and he paid that financially. That's likely what happens when you live in a world where you have no boundaries and no one says "No" to you.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 26, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on June 26, 2009, 09:24:32 AM
It boils down to the fact that in my mind, there could have been no evidence presented at all (but there was) and the simple fact that paying 22 million dollars to make the accusation of child molestation go away indicates guilt on some level. That is not the action of an innocent man.
I don't think you can draw that conclusion at all. A civil trial is a tricky thing and given enough legal zeal of the prosecution, even the innocent can be punished. The desire to avoid a trial is certainly NOT an admission of guilt on any level. You are welcome to draw that conclusion, but don't be surprised when others disagree.
Personally, I don't think we even remotely got close to the truth in either of those cases and we never will know the truth. There was too much money and notoriety at stake for there to ever be justice for either party. Do I think MJ was an emotionally troubled man. Certainly. Do I think he was a child molester? No, but I do think he made astoundingly poor decisions about what is an appropriate relationship between a child and an adult. I don't feel he did this out of malice, I think he did this without understanding the consequences, which doesn't excuse it. There should have been consequences and he paid that financially. That's likely what happens when you live in a world where you have no boundaries and no one says "No" to you.
WOW... Bryan I agree with you 100% Very well said.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 26, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on June 26, 2009, 09:24:32 AM
It boils down to the fact that in my mind, there could have been no evidence presented at all (but there was) and the simple fact that paying 22 million dollars to make the accusation of child molestation go away indicates guilt on some level. That is not the action of an innocent man.
I don't think you can draw that conclusion at all. A civil trial is a tricky thing and given enough legal zeal of the prosecution, even the innocent can be punished. The desire to avoid a trial is certainly NOT an admission of guilt on any level. You are welcome to draw that conclusion, but don't be surprised when others disagree.
Personally, I don't think we even remotely got close to the truth in either of those cases and we never will know the truth. There was too much money and notoriety at stake for there to ever be justice for either party. Do I think MJ was an emotionally troubled man. Certainly. Do I think he was a child molester? No, but I do think he made astoundingly poor decisions about what is an appropriate relationship between a child and an adult. I don't feel he did this out of malice, I think he did this without understanding the consequences, which doesn't excuse it. There should have been consequences and he paid that financially. That's likely what happens when you live in a world where you have no boundaries and no one says "No" to you.
Yeah, I agree too. It looked VERY suspicious but every big entity is often attacked with law suits and not all of them are well founded. I don't know if it's true or not...but it wasn't proven so I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Bryan is right he did have strange friendships with kids which looked very bad.
I think children were the only people in his life who were truthful with him. He probably felt safe in their company. This was a man who had an arrested personal development. He never even had a childhood. As much as so many of us were repelled by the closeness of his relationship with children, he likely couldn't understand why everyone felt that way. He lacked the emotional maturity to think in that manner and no one around him was willing to risk alienating themselves from his good graces to help him understand. I think some of the more questionable actions he was accused of likely were a result of him being under the influence of alcohol or pain medication or both and again, no one to step in and say "no".
Today I heard the news that I had been dreading. With exception of my family and friends, this death is probably closer to me and more shattering than any other.
Michael Jackson was my musical Hero, he was my musical God and his music has touched me more than any other artist.
I went to see him three times in the 80's and 90's, and the first time back in 1987 at the age of 16, I saw him at Wembley stadium for his first ever solo concert in England... on my own.
To this day, with the exception of the birth of my twins, that is the finest day of my life so far. Thriller was when I discovered the amazing talent of this man and I have enjoyed his music and videos ever since.
Today I feel I have lost something very dear to me.
Us Michael Jackson fans have had to put up with people judging our allegiance. TIme and time again these people would question me as to why I would be so fanatical about a "peado weirdo bloke who isn't comfortable with his roots."
Ever since the Jordy Chandler monstrosity I have had to listen to people sniggering or outrightly accusing my musical Hero of being a child molester. Despite being found not guilty.
And now, at this very sad time, there are still these idiots who insist on going on about tired accusations and generally being trollish and cruel. To come on these fine forums and spout your filth is unforgiveable. Let us fans, just for once, greive the passing of this legend without bringing up these subjects. The man hasn't even been dead for 24 hours and yet you still insist on spouting your drivel. Wind your neck in and just appreciate his talent. Then in a week or two you can go back to your views. Carry on believing Michael abused children if you like. He was found not guilty, remember that.
I was reading another forum where a young lad was saying that this outpouring of grief was over the top.
Firstly, this guy has left a musical legacy not seen since Mozart or The Beatles.
Secondly, whatever your beliefs on his court case, the guy WAS a genius.
Thirdly, he has the best selling album in history (and that will never be beaten)
Fourthly, this man has given me more pleasure than anyone else outside my family.
And finally, I do not need to be told by a child that my grief is "Over the top"
And in the same way, I don't want to come onto this forum where I believe the good people here will celebrate his life with me, to read the same shit I have had to put up with since discovering this legend at the tender age of 10.
Just stop your hate and give us a break.
Today I am a very sad, very angry bloke.
Oh, and in my haste, I forgot to mention that a lot of his bad traits stem from his own childhood. This man didn't have one really. Not like many of us are lucky to have had. He never got to play ball with the kids from the street and he decided to live his childhood when NO ONE could say he couldn't play, that is why he was weird.
And if you want my opinion on the child abuse allegations? I don't think he molested anybody. A man spending so much unsupervised time with young boys is extremely unhealthy but I just cannot believe he would do anything to hurt little ones. Just saying.
I also feel that his death was accidental but that there is someone, or many people, who are responsible and I hope they have to face that.
I like you all and I don't want to offend anyone, but I find it mind boggling that obviously intelligent, rational people actually believe the ridiculous stories Michael Jackson's lawyers and handlers asked us to swallow trying to justify his obsession with children and proclivities towards sleeping in beds with them and spending all his time with then. Even faced with damning evidence and gut wrenching testimony from preteen boys, people still feel the need to cling to the image perpetuated of Michael Jackson as a misunderstood manchild instead of a dangerous predator.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 26, 2009, 01:02:09 PM
I also feel that his death was accidental but that there is someone, or many people, who are responsible and I hope they have to face that.
I think the problem Bryan, was that as he got more and more famous, it got increasingly more difficult for anyone to say NO to him
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on June 26, 2009, 01:06:29 PM
I like you all and I don't want to offend anyone, but I find it mind boggling that obviously intelligent, rational people actually believe the ridiculous stories Michael Jackson's lawyers and handlers asked us to swallow trying to justify his obsession with children and proclivities towards sleeping in beds with them and spending all his time with then. Even faced with damning evidence and gut wrenching testimony from preteen boys, people still feel the need to cling to the image perpetuated of Michael Jackson as a misunderstood manchild instead of a dangerous predator.
You say you don't want to offend anyone here? Well I think you're doing a fine job doing just that. You just can't help yourself can you? You had to make one more nasty remark and put images in our minds that none of us want to see. YOu made yourself clear pages ago and despite you obvious strong beliefs, It's not all one way traffic. You don't mention testaments from witnesses who state that nothing happened and statements from people who actually knew MJ
But this isn't the place to argue this. I suggest that if you have nothing nice to say here, then don't say anything else. As I say, you have made your point and you HAVE offended me.
No problem, I am done and gone. So sorry for your loss.
I don't know if Michael was a child abuser or not. He was acquitted and found "not guilty" and so I accept that judgment. I do know that he was an incredible talent. While driving to work this morning I turned on the radio and "I Want You Back" was playing by the Jackson 5. For whatever reason it hit me emotionally and I cried. I'm not one given to tears but it seems like part of my own childhood died with Michael. I was never a huge fan. In fact never owned one of his records or even the Jackson 5 records but I followed his career. I loved watching his videos and found them very entertaining. I hated what he had become. I must confess when I heard the news yesterday I was not really surprised and did not have much of a reaction until I heard "I Want You Back" on the radio this morning. My reaction kind of took my by surprise. All I can say to his family is..."I grieve with thee".
Kevin
Okay. I have to make this clear.
For the first time on a forum, I have let my feelings get the better of me.
I am not a blinkered man. I don't love someone blindly while overlooking serious serious faults.
Even me, a massive MJ fan am somewhat doubtful of certain episodes of Michael Jacksons life. I cannot escape the fact that there may be a chance the these stories do have some truth. I don't WANT to believe it but I cannot deny that there is no smoke without fire, especially as these accusations wouldn't go away.
But I simply do not believe that this is the place to rake over old coals when we are trying to remember the musical legacy this man has left us. Whatever you think of the mans personal life you cannot deny his genius (even if you don't like his genre) and I think we should only talk about his legacy here.
I don't want to alienate myself from anyone on this forum and Joby, I do appreciate your views but I just think that we have had so much bad press on Michael that, if only until he is buried, we should thank him for all the good stuff he said.
And if anyone else is upset with my rant then I apologise. It's been a horrible day for me. As someone said many pages ago "a part of my childhood has died"
:cheers
On a much lighter note. To sum up.
I'm a massive Michael Jackson fan...... therefore suffering piss-taking from my schoolmates and work colleagues
I'm a massive Star Trek fan..... therefore suffering piss-taking from my schoolmates and work colleagues.
I'm a massive Volvo fan...... you get the picture. ;D
Here's another one of my favorite MJ songs.
Michael Jackson - Black Or White (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9OYMRwN1Q#noexternalembed-lq-lq2-hq)
Hey Tim, don't apologise for you feelings mate, you have a right to state your feelings. I'm an inbetweener with mj, i loved the jackson 5 and early records, and i love the song just leave me alone, if that doesnt say something then nothing will regarding the pressure and troubles. At the end of the day what a showman, a brilliant, energising man. Not a fan of his modern work but hey you know thats my cheese but wow when i was younger his music was just amazing.
Alas, todays reports are stating that his own doctor has gone awol, his car impounded and the coroner stating it will take 8 weeks to have results, from a medical point of view then it means they are doing a serious investigation.
His iife has been troubled, bullied into a career which meant he lost his childhood, he struggled with fame BUT throughout that he entertained, and what an entertainer. And that is how he should be remebered.
Oh and here is the song i was on about.
michael jackson just leave me alone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq8eHsGMxok#lq-lq2-hq)
Thanks Simon. And I just want to say.... in an extremely English way.... "I bloody well love you mate" :cheers
I spent the day listening to Michael Jackson on my ipod. When I heard this song, I did cry. This mans voice and the words just moved me so much.
Michael Jackson - Gone Too Soon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59kFCmOyZOo#lq-hq)
Quote from: Trekkygeek on June 26, 2009, 02:23:55 PM
Thanks Simon. And I just want to say.... in an extremely English way.... "I bloody well love you mate" :cheers
Hugs to you bro. :)
No problem Trekkiegeek, like I said I didn't mean to offend. I remember how I felt the day Jerry Garcia passed, and my reaction to the many people who mocked him after his passing calling him a drug addict and hippie or whatever. I truly do feel your pain.
I could have done without being told my opinion was idiotic and "shit" and being made to feel unwelcome because of my opinon, but I do completely understand your anger. No hard feelings my friend..
One of my favorite scenes from this movie...
...you made us dance Michael
That was so cool. Thanks Mark
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on June 26, 2009, 02:18:39 PM
Hey Tim, don't apologise for you feelings mate, you have a right to state your feelings.
...well, except for that bit about the Volvo's.... ;)
Quote from: Trekkygeek on June 26, 2009, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 26, 2009, 01:02:09 PM
I also feel that his death was accidental but that there is someone, or many people, who are responsible and I hope they have to face that.
I think the problem Bryan, was that as he got more and more famous, it got increasingly more difficult for anyone to say NO to him
Indeed, Tim, go back and read my previous post.
Jordan Chandler admits he lied about Michael Jackson??
http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/ (http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/)
Horrible if it is indeed true.
It looks like a fake. I would have loved to see Michael vindicated.
This kind of thing, if indeed faked as it appears to be, is pretty horrible if you look at it from the perspective of the alleged victim. As much as many would like to see MJ proved innocent, I favor the school of thought that leans toward not heaping more pain on someone that could have been a victim of abuse by accusing him of being a liar.