Ok, let's get the season 4 discussion going! :cylon
I thought the first episode was great. I'm glad they picked up right after the big cliffhanger of season 3. The opening battle was amazing. The effects for this show continue to impress and get even more amazing with every show. I'm not sure what to think with Anders and the Cylon staring contest. Did the Cylon just recognize Anders as a Cylon or did it transmit something to him? The return of Starbuck was very interesting. Her ship being in perfect shape, the time difference, etc. My thoughts is Starbuck is sort of like an angel now like they did with the ship of light in the old Galactica. Some form of higher beings saved her, took her to Earth and brought her back to help guide the Galactica to Earth. They also gave her this ability to "sense" where Earth is. I really don't think she's a Cylon. That just doesn't really fit to me. I loved the reaction by everyone to her return. It all fit. Lee accepts her and Anders too. The Admiral wants to believe her. I'm a bit surprised by the president. She's been one of the most spiritual of the group yet she doesn't trust Kara. I guess she has been duped too often. The whole bit with Baltar and his "cult" was interesting. He certainly attracts the pretty women around him. Overall, a great start for season 4 I thought.
I think when Anders' eye went red it was after he was scanned and he sent a signal for it to leave him alone. He let it know that they were family. I don't think it was something that he controlled anymore than the glowing spines they get from doing other stuff. That was more self preservation than anything else to me.
My favorite line was when Starbuck told Anders that he was better than her.
I also like how she dismissed the clone egg theory that my wife had before the show aired on how she was back.
My opinion is that she went to the ship of lights and they helped her.
I think the raider not only scanned Anders but it's sole purpose was to send a message to initiate something else. They never had any intention except to put the other cylons into some action.
I do agree with you Rico that the president's mood has definitely changed in regards to her faith. Maybe this is due to the fact that the cancer is back?
Over all a good episode, not as good as Exodus but still good. Can you tell I thought Exodus was the best TV I've seen in a long time? The effects we great as usual and the music 2ND to none.....
Quote from: Blackride on April 05, 2008, 08:12:46 AM
I think the raider not only scanned Anders but it's sole purpose was to send a message to initiate something else. They never had any intention except to put the other cylons into some action.
From the Six on the ship, I don't think that the cylons knew that the final five were on the ship until after anders did his eye thing.
They destroyed too many ships and people for me to think that they went into the battle knowing that the final five were in the fleet. Normally there would have been one of the final five on the ship that was destroyed. If they knew that they were in the fleet before the battle, they wouldn't have taken the chance.
I pretty much have the same sentiments as Rico.. loved the battle scene at the beginning, this show has always impressed me with their special effects.
Also when Tigh shot Adama. I thought oh this must be a dream then the scene went on a bit longer then expected and I thought.. OMG.. they killed off Admiral Adama.
Starbucks return was cool. Not sure what she is, don't think she's a cylon and I'm not sure if they should trust her. In Razor the cylon/hybrid said that Starbuck would be the destruction of the human race. But then again it was a cylon saying this.
Roslin has defiantly changed, she seems more hard, not very trusting of Starbuck. But than again the way the show ended I couldn't blame her.
I enjoyed how each of the new (four) cylons accepted who they are. They all accepted it a bit differently.
I don't think the Raider was giving commands to Anders. I think Anders was revealing itself to the Raider, letting them know that the final five are active. As soon as he did they backed off knowing that the cylon's final plan has gone into action. I would be surprised if we say a large battle again. I think the final five activation was the last piece of the cylons plan.
A really good first episode and this looks to be one of the best seasons of Galactica.. this show is going to go out with a bang.
One thing I have been thinking about is the four new "cylons" were activated before the cylon attack fleet showed up. How was that done? Were they just all on some kind of timer? The music they were hearing leads you to think it was signal they received. Is that then how the attack fleet found them? So if that is the case - why attack? There is no need then because they know there are other cylons on Galactica. But the weird thing is this hasn't stopped the cylons before. It's like there is another player controlling things. These new four also seem to be revered by the rest of the cylon models. I think that's going to give the humans an edge they can use. Anyway, lots to ponder and think about.
When the four were revealed last year, it struck me as too much of a coincidence that Cylons destroyed Caprica and yet the remaining models all survived. A setup from the start ? Were they cylons from the beginning or "body snatched" sometime during their life ?
I have to think the Cylons - now that they know about the four - will not attack the fleet again.
The time-dilation idea with Starbuck was unexpected. I thought pointing her gun at the president was a little much - even for Cara. Have to see what happens next week.
I'm not even sure what to think about Gaius and how that story will mesh into the rest of the season. Good to see everyone clean shaven. :)
This show has been on top from the start. Glad I will see how it ends but at the same time - sad it will end.
I also love how Baltar keeps looking more and more like Jesus.....
I still think that one of the 7 know who the 5 are and this has been a set up from the begining. Just like they had to shut down a whole line of the cylons because of the way they were acting.
The downfall of the Cylons will be that they act and become too human with all of our flaws etc.. So by their attempting to become more human by understanding Love (The 5th Element)it will actually be their down fall. Just my thought.
I think he's looking more like Judas in my opinion.
As for the Cylons, I'm not sure of who's who, but I'm thinking that Chief is going to be upset when he finds out that the kid isn't his.
Speaking of the chief. If he's a cylon then his kid is another hybrid, right ? Or is he not the father ?
There has been no indication that the Chief's kid isn't his. And yes it is a cylon/human hybrid.
Oh something else I just though of.. Chief and Boomer were an item and both of them were cylons.. but Boomer/Athena never knew.
What about Tigh killing his wife for sleeping with collusion with the Cylons? Reminds me of that Dave Chappel skit about the blind racist that found out his was black and divorced his wife for being with a black man.
What's everyone opinion on who the final cylon will be ? Based on Deanna's reaction, sounds like someone we already know.
...and potentially someone she has been directly unkind to.
It's the president. I'm almost 75% sure of it. It would explain her miracle cure. Her visions. Her wanting to get to Earth. The drug she's taking for the cancer blocked the switch. Cancer is sympathetic and it's no coincident that she was the ONLY government official to survive the initial attacks. She is also one that we would least expect.
As for who she was apologizing to, I think it was Tigh. She did try to exploit him being a drunk for the sake of her getting a story. She also went after him for the massacre.
Hmm; the final Cylon...
Roslyn is a strong candidate, esp. in light of her shared vision with Number Six at the end of last season, but I'm leaning more towards Baltar. Here's why:
Last season, we learned that the human-model cylons are able to alter the way that they perceive reality, effectively giving them the ability to consciously hallucinate. Remember when the Eight doing Ti Chi in the corridor of the Basestar envisioned herself exercising in a forest? This ability seems very similar to the hallucinations of Number Six that have been plaguing Baltar.
When Caprica was nuked in the miniseries, Baltar's number six died. We later see her resurrected in the episode "Downloaded". Baltar was standing (well,
crouching) right behind her when his house was demolished. How did he survive when she did not? I think it is very possible that he
did die, and was then downloaded into another body being held by Six's accomplices on Caprica.
Baltar's number Six has her own "Head Baltar", just like the "Head Six" that Baltar has.
The notion of Baltar being a Cylon seems so obvious, many fans will dismiss it out of hand. For a lot of folks, he's one of the last people that they would suspect of being the final cylon. I think this makes him a likely candidate.
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As for who she was apologizing to, I think it was Tigh. She did try to exploit him being a drunk for the sake of her getting a story. She also went after him for the massacre.
This is what I think as well. She didn't really have much interaction with any other character (except Baltar, of course).
I personally think that Baltar is going to be the one to actually save the human race.
Yeah....so many good things about this series I don't where to start or what to think. Alot of what I think is just kinda gut feelings...well here goes...
Great return episode...absolutely awesome. I am with Kenny about the Adama shooting...figured it was an obvious dream but then the scene went on just a few seconds too long and I began thinking the same thing...Holy Poopie they killed the Admiral...no wait, it was a "dream".
Starbuck---Gosh I don't know what to believe here. I definitely think she is being used as tool, but by who? She has been having the visions of the Eye of Jupiter since she was a child. But I just don't know if she actually does know the way to Earth. She certainly believes and acts like she does, but I just keep flashing back to the Cylon telling her she will bring about the destruction of the human race.
Baltar-----I really like this story line with the "cult" following he now has. I have never really seen him as a "Jesus" figure but definitely a messenger of "God" of some sort. Again here is where I am not really sure how to articulate clearly my thoughts on this. I must say though I really love how the show is written with the whole monotheistic and polytheistic religious subjects. Very well done.
At this point I really don't know what to think. I only know that I have feeling that everything is going to turn out 180 degrees from where everyone thinks it will. Again, can't explain it, I just have this gut feeling that a VERY essential piece of the puzzle that, when revealed, will just throw everything we thought we knew right out the window.
Finally, I hafta say that the thing that has bothered me and stuck with me since it was first uttered is the cylon in the tub who said..."All this has happened before and will happen again"....What the frak?!?!? I believe it is the one of the parts of that essential pice of the puzzle I mentioned previously.
Who knows, I'll be watching though,....I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!
Well it is late...time for me to.........
JUMP!
I agree with Rico in Regards to Starbuck, in that a higher power such as the Ship of Lights brought her back. I do see where President Roslyn would be the most skeptical of Starbuck, as her character has been going that way over the series. As well, what Starbuck is saying, goes against her own beliefs that she came to in the first and second seasons, so I do not see her throwing those away to follow Starbucks visions.
Not sure what to make of Anders and the encounter with the Cylon, I tend to believe that they transmitted something to him, and maybe that was the reason for the attack. They knew the 4 had been activated, but needed to send something to them. Albeit a Risky attack as they could have killed the 4. Interested to see what more happens with this encounter.
It was interesting as well to see, that Lee decided against going back to his position in the fleet, and looking to a government position. Not unexpected, so will be interesting to see how the relationship between Adama and Apollo plays out because of this. I suspect we will see Lee in a Viper again before the series is over.
Another reason I don't think that the Cylons knew about the four was the nature of the attack. We don't know if the Final Five Resurrect. If they did, wouldn't the others only need look in the body shop to see what they look like?
This also holds true with Athena/Boomer attacking the Raiders. Never before have they stopped to send messages to them even when they were revealed to be Cylons. They fought. They knew Boomer was on the fleet and they still attacked.
This brings me to the Final Five. They suddenly wake up. They still don't stop the attack even though it's right when they wake up.
Anders lets them know "Hey I'm one of you." and the Cylons turn tail.
They still don't know how many of the final five are there. It could only be Anders. but the Attack is halted.
I think it was done because even if Anders wasn't on one of the targeted ships, he could have been caught in the crossfire and killed. Without a means of resurrection, that's bad.
I also don't think that they can control the Final Five. Look at what they did to poor Tigh on New Caprica. Standing right next to them, they couldn't notice he was a Cylon. Even when they messed up his eye, they didn't notice.
I think the Five are programmed to let others know that they are Cylons, but this only works after they are "awakened". Otherwise Tigh would have faired much better on NC.
Is it possible that the Final Five are more closely linked to the Raiders and Centurions than the other 7 models? Meaning do the Radiers/Centurions have some sort of programming to show more.....loyalty or reverence, I guess....to the Final (Original?) Five skinjobs. Something that the other 7 models may not be aware of. Does that make sense?
One thing that is a puzzle. They are following the course layed out by the 13th colony-Eye of Jupiter, etc. Kara says they're going in the wrong direction. I'm sure Kara is right but what does it say about the clues left behind ? Maybe they misinterpreted the clues. Guess we will find out.
Quote from: markinro on April 06, 2008, 08:43:32 PM
One thing that is a puzzle. They are following the course layed out by the 13th colony-Eye of Jupiter, etc. Kara says they're going in the wrong direction. I'm sure Kara is right but what does it say about the clues left behind ? Maybe they misinterpreted the clues. Guess we will find out.
The Maelstrom Kara flew into could have been a wormhole, or shortcut leading to Earth. By following the course laid out by the scrolls, they may be actually heading towards Earth while simultaneously heading away from the shortcut provided by the maelstrom.
Her Viper seemed to blow up real good though.
Yep; and the one she returns with is brand new. I think someone earlier pointed out a likely possibility- The "Leoben" she encounters in her vision is RDM's version of one of the beings from the Ship Of Lights. After all, he seems a lot more benevolent than the other versions of Leoben that we've seen, and when she asks him about his identity, he says that he "never said that he was Leoben". Maybe the Ship Of Light beings have some kind of connection to Starbuck, and they save her from the exploding viper and create a new one for her, then show her the way through the wormhole to Earth.
Another outstanding episode tonight, featuring some really good acting by Mary Mcdonnell. The scene with her and drunk Adama arguing about Starbuck was something else!
It was also cool to see Brother Cavil again. Looks like the Cylon civil war is here. It should be interesting to see how it works out, esp. when you factor in the skinjob's ability to download into new bodies.
By the way; I wonder if all of the Centurians are now fully sentient, or just a small group of them?
Two things i'm especially looking forward to next week-
-It seems as though the Centurians might not be the allies that 6 was hoping for. I get the impression that they might be only a step away from turning on her and her faction as well...
-Based on the previews, it looks like Cally is going to find out that Tyrol (the father of her kid!) is a cylon. This could pose a big threat to the Four. A little birdie told me a while ago that this may very well be the last episode that we see her in...
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-Based on the previews, it looks like Cally is going to find out that Tyrol (the father of her kid!) is a cylon. This could pose a big threat to the Four. A little birdie told me a while ago that this may very well be the last episode that we see her in...
Tyrol isn't the babydaddy. If he was then they would have made a point to bring up the child being half cylon by now. I don't think that they ever said that he was the father. We assumed he was because they were married when the year had passed, but we don't know that it is.
It's actually looking like he's not the father and the baby is just a human. Maybe someone comforted her after Chief broke her jaw.
Wow.. what a fantastic episode.. I enjoyed this one even more then last weeks. So much is happening.. you can tell we are in for a wild ride this final season.
Couldn't agree more...great GREAT episode. The writing and acting in this show is nothing short of phenomonal. I agree wholeheartedly with Wraith, that scene in Adama's quarters was awesome and the whole President, Adama, Starbuck story has been great. The centurions becoming sentient and, by the looks of the preview for next week, rebelling against their "masters".....Can you say "All this has happened before and will happen again"? My only complaint was that the Baltar/Presiden't Asst (I cannot for the life of me remember her name) storyline seemed rushed....She was pissed at Tigh for suggesting she get close to Baltar, SHe met with him in the mess hall, then was sleeping with him. Don't get me wrong, it was well written and acted but it almost seemed like we missed a few steps oin between.
All in all, excellent episode and this season is shaping up to be the best.
Great episode. I love all the conflict going on with the cylons. So Cabal is number one cylon. Interesting. And those Centurions seem pretty pissed off. I'm not sure they all have the same programming or not right now. The stuff with the send off for Apollo and the scene between the Admiral and Roslyn was great. Amazing acting! These people all deserve Emmy's! It made sense to send Starbuck off on her own. Not sure how they will maintain contact with the fleet if she does find Earth again. Love this show! Can't wait for next week.
Cool epsiode, I like how they are bringing the Centaurions more into the story now, really looking forward to how the conflict between the cylons work out. Interested in what happens to Lee as well, seems like he will not be on the Galactica, so will be interesting how his story works in with the crew back on Galactica. I thought it was great how they sent Starbuck off at the end of the episode to follow her path to Earth, I think there will be more showdowns with Rosyln in the Future. I liked how Adama told her that her death will not be any more significant then anyone elses, and that she might not be the dying leader she thought she was.
I think that the exchange between Adama and Roslyn is a pretty solid married couple argument. They are trying to decide how to deal with one of the troublemaking kids and they can't agree.
The wife believe that lack of agreement means that things must continue to go her way.
The husband think that he needs to change the rules to get what he wants done without upsetting the wife further.
It also touched on those relationships of old that didn't divorce no matter what. Then at the end of the line when it looks like the couple can't stand each other and everyone is wondering why they are still together. It usually comes down to those simple facts of one being scared to live alone and the other being scared to die alone.
Those exchanges made me see it more like a family than ever before. Even if they don't agree, they don't argue in the front of the kids. Even if they disagree on how to raise the kids, they both try to support the party line in public.
Oh, I dreamed of Cylons all night.
I think that we're going to see Lucifer at some point.
The skinjobs said that their creator made them the way they were and made them to not speak of the final five.
If the Centurions created the skinjobs, why would they allow themselves to be chipped to limit their function?
There is another party involved that started this. Another party that ran the labs to create the hybrids and skinjobs. That lab wasn't setup for Centurion scientist and if the skinjobs were not yet invented, who was doing the experimenting?
I know that this is going to be a HUGH leap, but what if Starbuck was a Greystone? What if she was the dead daughter that we are hearing hints of in the Caprica ideas?
Since the droid has her memories and genes, how hard would it be to make a clone body? Then to chip her to download to another clone, but still be totally organic?
That would explain the time it took to fix the body to the right age. It would tie directly into the new show. It would explain her visions. There could be a base with the facilities to fix up a dead Kara and contain the protocylons that led to the combat models and were responsible for the creation of the later models.
Yes it is a huge leap, but two dead girls and one was an Adama. I don't think they would make Kira an Adama because of her and Lee, but a Graystone? Why the hell not? Why not connect the two shows on a closer level by tying the Greystones to the current story.
It would also explain how Kira is the doom of the human race. If she's a remake of the dead girl and the Cylons came from her, she did basically nuke the human race and end it at the start of the series.
OR I could be completely wrong.
Quote from: jedijeff on April 12, 2008, 07:28:07 AM
I think there will be more showdowns with Rosyln in the Future. I liked how Adama told her that her death will not be any more significant then anyone elses, and that she might not be the dying leader she thought she was.
It was a cool scene; the emotions of both actors came across as very raw and real. I don't think that Adama was saying that
he thought that Roslyn's death would mean nothing, and that she wasn't the leader she thought she was. I think he was saying that
her worst fear was that her death would mean nothing, etc. If he personally felt that way about her, I doubt that he would follow her lead, President or not. After all, he's already demonstrated that he isn't afraid of staging a military coup if he thinks that it is in the fleet's best interest.
Still; it was powerful stuff. Seeing him lash out at her for hitting so close to the mark on her summation of his feelings regarding Starbuck was one of the most "real" things I've seen in the series to date. It shows that his character has the very human flaw of lashing out when emotionally cornered. Unfortunately, it's hard to take words back once they've been said. I'm wondering if the relationship that has been slowly building between the two will survive this little blow-up.
Quote from: Just X on April 12, 2008, 07:49:49 AM
I think that the exchange between Adama and Roslyn is a pretty solid married couple argument. They are trying to decide how to deal with one of the troublemaking kids and they can't agree.
The wife believe that lack of agreement means that things must continue to go her way.
The husband think that he needs to change the rules to get what he wants done without upsetting the wife further.
It also touched on those relationships of old that didn't divorce no matter what. Then at the end of the line when it looks like the couple can't stand each other and everyone is wondering why they are still together. It usually comes down to those simple facts of one being scared to live alone and the other being scared to die alone.
Those exchanges made me see it more like a family than ever before. Even if they don't agree, they don't argue in the front of the kids. Even if they disagree on how to raise the kids, they both try to support the party line in public.
Those are some cool observations. I agree that the two will continue to present a united front in public, but I wonder if things will continue to be the same in private.
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The skinjobs said that their creator made them the way they were and made them to not speak of the final five.
If the Centurions created the skinjobs, why would they allow themselves to be chipped to limit their function?
There is another party involved that started this. Another party that ran the labs to create the hybrids and skinjobs. That lab wasn't setup for Centurion scientist and if the skinjobs were not yet invented, who was doing the experimenting?
I know that this is going to be a HUGH leap, but what if Starbuck was a Greystone? What if she was the dead daughter that we are hearing hints of in the Caprica ideas?
Since the droid has her memories and genes, how hard would it be to make a clone body? Then to chip her to download to another clone, but still be totally organic?
That would explain the time it took to fix the body to the right age. It would tie directly into the new show. It would explain her visions. There could be a base with the facilities to fix up a dead Kara and contain the protocylons that led to the combat models and were responsible for the creation of the later models.
Yes it is a huge leap, but two dead girls and one was an Adama. I don't think they would make Kira an Adama because of her and Lee, but a Graystone? Why the hell not? Why not connect the two shows on a closer level by tying the Greystones to the current story.
It would also explain how Kira is the doom of the human race. If she's a remake of the dead girl and the Cylons came from her, she did basically nuke the human race and end it at the start of the series.
OR I could be completely wrong.
I think you are more correct than you think. I've seen some reliable spoilers on other sites that more or less fit your theory. ;)
Good episode again. I like the cylon story lines going on the most of all at this point. I really liked Lee's send off...
Another exchange between the Pres and Adama that I loved was:
Adama: "You shot and missed at point blank range" (sic)
Roslyn: "Dyloxin affects your aim"
Adama: "So does doubt"
That whole scene between the two was awesome, but I think I said that before.
Here are some images from this Friday's episode. It looks like Adama and Roslyn are going to make up-
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t91/wraith1702/bsgs4.jpg)
And it also looks like Roslyn is sporting a new wig to hide her balding-
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t91/wraith1702/bsgs42.jpg)
We should do a caption contest for that first picture!
"The Papa Bears bed was just too hard, the Mama's bed was too soft, but the baby's bed.. was just right...."
This week's episode was very intense.
Is it me or all of the sudden does most of the dialogue have the word "Frack" in it all the time?
I don't know this episode they used all sorts of variations of it and it just kind of turned me off. The story is great, and it gets clouded up for me when they keep screaming that over and over.
But I digress.
Pretty sad for the chief's wife... Cool Cylon storyline with the Base Stars.. that pretty much rocked. Massive tension in the government and Lee is getting quite the education in politics.
Anyway, pretty intense drama. SPACE OPERA! :cylon
Just finished watching this weeks episode.. I agree with Rick.. alot of FRAK in this one. I have to say it had some really AWESOME parts and some okay parts. I don't now how I feel about it.. I didn't love it like the previous ones.. but it had it's moments.
For me this episode was good, but it left me wanting. I think it was because of the preview from last week. We saw the airlock scene and it felt like I was just waiting to get to that moment. I did enjoy the show, but this one was all too predictable in many of the sequences.
The only thing that wasn't predictable was spoiled by last weeks preview.
For any other scifi show, it would have been great. For Battlestar, it was just okay.
Decent episode but way too much screaming/swearing ( even if it FRAK ). I am also getting a little bored with the 4 Battlestar Cylons. They need to do something to push that story forward. It looks like it will happen next week.
I have a question though. Why put some of your best officers with Kara? Don't they need them on Galactica? Ohhh wait it's TV :)
Yeah I was confused about why they sent so many people with Kara. I mean, Adama doesn't really trust her to begin with, so why send all your best people?
I think Callie getting sent out the airlock is going to push the chief to do something about the secrecy. It's going to come out soon and I think he'll be the one to do it. He won't want anyone else hurt to keep their secret. Tigh will oppose this.
As of last week I figured Anders would be the one to "go cylon" but it definitely looks like it's gonna be Tori. It looked to me like when she kocked Callie out she was holding herself differently, more confident, more like Six.
I don't watch the previews generally and I thought this was a great episode. I actually thought the first two were weaker compared to this one.
Quote from: Blackride on April 19, 2008, 06:20:51 AM
I have a question though. Why put some of your best officers with Kara? Don't they need them on Galactica? Ohhh wait it's TV :)
LOL.. I was thinking the same thing.. man take out that ship and kill all the ace pilots. :)
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Quote from: Blackride on April 19, 2008, 06:20:51 AM
I have a question though. Why put some of your best officers with Kara? Don't they need them on Galactica? Ohhh wait it's TV :)
LOL.. I was thinking the same thing.. man take out that ship and kill all the ace pilots. :)
Reason 1- Adama loves Kara like a daughter and wants to protect her.
Reason 2- If it is just Kara, it would be easier for the President to send someone to get rid of her.
Reason 3- Isn't it kind of important, this Earth place she says she knows the way to?
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Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on April 19, 2008, 09:02:55 AM
Quote from: Blackride on April 19, 2008, 06:20:51 AM
I have a question though. Why put some of your best officers with Kara? Don't they need them on Galactica? Ohhh wait it's TV :)
LOL.. I was thinking the same thing.. man take out that ship and kill all the ace pilots. :)
Reason 1- Adama loves Kara like a daughter and wants to protect her.
Reason 2- If it is just Kara, it would be easier for the President to send someone to get rid of her.
Reason 3- Isn't it kind of important, this Earth place she says she knows the way to?
All of those are true.. but Adama's mission is protect the fleet not Starbuck. The real reason they did it is because Starbuck needed a crew and they didn't want to have to introduce a bunch of new people on the show.
Or since the Cylon's seem to have broken off their attack, they could spare those people. Helo isn't a fighter pilot. Anders is new. They only seem to have two vipers.
I don't think that the people that the sent were the best, but they were people that they could do without.
I watched it tonight on my DVR, how sad for Callie. Anybody miss Ron Moore's Trek-nudge to the ribs with weapons locker 1701-D? Wasn't exactly subtle.
Interesting episode. One thing I am really curious about overall is do these final 4 (or even the other Cylon models) have free will? It seems they do. There are even differences of opinion in one model line - like the Sharon's. So, does that mean Tori killed Callie because she felt like it? Not really because she was programmed to do it? Interesting stuff.
I like the Cylon civil war going on. So if the rebel Six is killed away from the resurrection ship she is gone for good then? Same with the other versions of the models that died with her.
I avoid watching previews for BSG. I even look away during the opening credits because I feel it spoils the show. So the ending shocked me. Didn't expect it. I really thought Callie was going to kill herself and the baby. That would of been very sad. I didn't mind the "frak" chat much. Keep in mind Starbuck is pretty frakked up right now. I was also surprised about how many went with her. Seemed a little strange and something that will be hard to cover up. Especially since they sent some of their best pilots with her. Hope Galactica doesn't get attacked anytime soon.
P.S. I thought it was weapons locker 17011?
The locker number was 1701D, I lol'd.
I wasn't in any way disappointed by the latest episode. In fact, It feels to me like the tension level is steadily rising with each episode. I loved the interplay between Roslyn, Lee, and the Quorum... Roslyn displayed some very dictatorial leanings during last season's miners strike episode, and it looks like those tendencies are coming to the fore.
I think the "secret 4" storyline is moving on nicely as well. The scene in which Cally discovers their identity was intense!
QuoteSo if the rebel Six is killed away from the resurrection ship she is gone for good then? Same with the other versions of the models that died with her.
Yep.
By the way; I got a kick out of "Weapons Locker 1701 D"! Looks like RDM is making a nod to his previous work on TNG. Nice. :)
I just remembered something--
There are 12 colonies (not including those who allegedly went to Earth), and there are 12 models of Neo-Cylons.
Is this just a coincidence, or a vital plot point that has yet to be revealed? At first, I thought that The Plan initially involved placing one sleeper-agent on each world, but we've seen that that's not the case- there were several different models on Caprica, and at least one six infiltrated the Taurans (Gina on the Pegasas). What do you all think?
Very good point wraith. Too much of a coincidence not to mean something.
Hm, I had not even begun to think of that. Very good observation.
Yeah, I have to agree all this "Frak" every second word is a bunch of Felgercarb!
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on April 18, 2008, 11:03:09 PM
Just finished watching this weeks episode.. I agree with Rick.. alot of FRAK in this one. I have to say it had some really AWESOME parts and some okay parts. I don't now how I feel about it.. I didn't love it like the previous ones.. but it had it's moments.
Quote from: Ricardocameron on April 21, 2008, 03:11:58 PM
Yeah, I have to agree all this "Frak" every second word is a bunch of Felgercarb!
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on April 18, 2008, 11:03:09 PM
Just finished watching this weeks episode.. I agree with Rick.. alot of FRAK in this one. I have to say it had some really AWESOME parts and some okay parts. I don't now how I feel about it.. I didn't love it like the previous ones.. but it had it's moments.
I think it's use was very frakking appropriate. I grew up on and around military bases, and I can tell you; there are some military folks out there who use some pretty colorful frakking language. I think some people just don't understand the varied meaning and complexity wrapped up in that simple four letter word.
:cylon Here's a little primer-
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t91/wraith1702/frakdefinition.gif)
Also, I know the creators of this show are American and it's primarily meant for American TV, but in other countries people swear a lot more then the average American I've met.
Actually, almost every American that I've met visiting Canada has commented that we swear a lot. Also I have to agree with wraith, I have a lot of friends in the military and they swear a lot more then average.
The language I think fits the show and stress they are all under. As far as swearing it varies a lot from place to place, country to country from what I have seen. I myself don't do it much - at least in public. But I do use the word "frak" in the car at times. LOL!
Found this article on digg, just opinion, no spoilers but it is a nice theory:
QuoteWith the fourth and final season of Battlestar Galactica upon us, I have many questions swirling around in my head. Not to mention I either hate or thank Ron Moore for this. Thanks Ron!!!
Before I start, I have to warn you that as of April 4th of this year, it was reported over on EW that the first 10 of the last 20 episodes are scheduled to air - which seems to confirm what they were saying over on SyFy Portal about the season being split up, so be ready for a break in the midst of it all if the writers strike didn't mess up their plans. (BTW, the EW link has some good background info for those who need to play catch-up.)
So who the frak is the final Cylon? Let me torment you with some logic and observations first.
In the picture above, it's called Battlestar Galactica: The final supper. In the picture is a goblet by itself at the table. Is there some significant clue by this missing representation of a figure or the cornerstone to the answer? It is such a simple goblet or cup, yet by itself, being pondered heavily by Lee Adama. At EW.com, if you click on the number representing the goblet, they point out that Moore insinuates the missing Cylon is not at the table. Well, there go a a few theories.
One of my first thoughts, since they like tossing twists at us, is Mr. Gaeta, only because if you look at the four of the final five, they're all in strong support positions in the fleet, much like Gaeta has been all along.
The wheels are turning now, aren't they?
But yet as I ponder the final Cylon, I also have in my head the quote we've heard a number of times, first in Battlestar Galactica: Razor, and then in the show itself: "This has all happened before; and will all happen again"
What the heck does that mean?
In recent episodes, we've seen the Cavils having the raiders lobotomized, referring to them as "They're tools, not pets." - Which says they're treating members of their own race like slaves. Not cool Cavil. In fact, maybe foretelling?
We've seen Six's and Sharons' give the Centurions free thinking.
We also see the Six's and Sharons have the Cavils, Dorals, and Simons all shot, and then Six asks one of the Centurion's to "throw the surviving Cavil model out the airlock... please."
Old Cylon vs New CylonIn that scene, there's a Centurion in the foreground cleaning up the massacre mess, and when she said please, he stopped what he was doing and seemed to look in her direction, pondering, then went about his business. That scene said it all for me, because what I saw was a spark of a thought in that metal head of his. Dare I say, a plan? Wait, doesn't the show open up saying the Cylons have a plan? This all started with the shiny guys, it's probably going to end with the shiny guys.
Bruce's Revelation, with the reasoning that created it:
1. Humans created the Cylons.
2. Cylons rebelled against their human creators.
3. The Cylons evolved themselves into their creators image (aka "skin jobs").
4. The new Cylons (skin jobs) lobotomize the Raiders AND in the same move, have given the Centurions free thinking.
With this, I project the following inspirations:
- The Centurions are not just tools.
- They must rebel against their creators in order to avoid being lobotomized.
- Suddenly, we will have the Cylons fighting the "Humans" all over again.
We then see "humans" defending themselves against the "Cylons / Centurions" and of course, the Centurions would probably create skin jobs somewhere down the road in order to infiltrate the "humans."
And it starts all over.
Hence, all of humanity is "The Last Cylon."
For me, this premise puts to rest some questions and doubts I have had about the new Cylons... For example, if Tigh is a Cylon, how was he in the first Cylon war?
If it's not all of humanity, I'll go with Plan B: Gaeta.
Me? I can sleep now. It all makes sense... that is until I find I'm wrong.
What's your take? I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter!
http://screenrant.com/archives/who-is-the-last-cylon-on-battl-1592.html
Some interesting thoughts, but I see a few problems with it. I've never quite understood how the Cylons "evolved." Did humans create the skin job Cylons or did the toasters create the skin jobs? If the toasters made them, why are there toasters still around? Wouldn't they have to be smarter than the skin jobs to create them?
P.S. I don't think Gaeta is a Cylon.
Well if we go with the miniseries, the humans didn't know there were human-looking Cylons (if i remember correctly). I agree Geata is not a Cylon.
One thing this season is really reminding me of is Animal Farm.
:cylon :skull :cylon SPOILER WARNING-- :cylon :skull :cylon
The following is allegedly either a page from the script or a casting side from episode 18 of BSG season 4. Doesn't answer a lot of burning questions, but it does provide some nice character background information...
SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME Writers 1st 4/07/2008
INT - GALACTICA - JOE'S BAR - LATER
SLICK'S HANDS CARESS THE KEYS
KARA
(O.S.)
When I was taking the fleet to earth everything was real clear.
Kara's leaning close, watching him play. It's late.
The bar is nearly deserted— the shot glasses piled high; Kara's defenses low.
KARA
For the first time in my life I knew what I was doing.
Why I (am here. Had something? to live? for besides flying. —crossed out and hard to read this line) Fighting. Now... the rug's been pulled out. I'm lost again.
SLICK
That such a bad thing? I've never been a big believe in destiny myself. Why would you want it all laid out for you? Isn't it more fun to make it up as you go along? Life should be like good jazz: improvisational.
His fingers dance across the ivories as he talks, extemporizing a tune.
SLICK
One note inspires another. A melody provides a springboard for infinite variations. Your life is an accumulations of the scales and riffs, the meaning found in the tune you play.
Kara listens intently to the piano.
KARA
And the one you are riffing off right now... is Nomion's Third Sonata, second movement.
Slicks stops dead, staring dumbfounded at her. Kara thinks she said something wrong.
KARA
Sounded like it anyway.
SLICK
You're right on the money. I've riffed of Nomion's Third in hundreds of bars. You're the first to recognize it. How the hell...?
KARA
My dad used to play it.
SLICK
He played piano?
(off her nod)
Classical, huh?
KARA
That's what he got paid for. But his first love was jazz. You're almost as good as he was.
Slick smiles and resumes playing.
SLICK
Great, so I have to compete with the memory of your father.
KARA
Not really. He left home when I was five. Hardly remember him. Just Fragments. Moments here and there.
SLICK
Such as?
KARA
Used to sit me on the bench next to him when played.
Remember tobacco on his breath.
INT - KARA'S CHILDHOOD HOME - FLASHBACK
YOUNG KARA sits on the bench next to her FATHER, mimicking the movement of his hands on the keys.
(NOTE: The flashback is from Kara's POV. We never see her father's face.)
KARA
(V.O.)
He taught me a few songs. I tried hard to get it right. Not because I was afraid he would get angry...
Her father plays a phrase. Young Kara plays it back perfectly. She beams and he reaches to gently pinch the lobe of her ear between his thumb and index finger.
KARA
(VO)
But because it made him proud.
Her father runs a hand across the keyboard, punctuating the rippling notes by forming his hand into an imaginary six gun and shooting the final key with his index finger.
INT JOE'S BAR
Kara watches Slick's hands on the keys.
KARA
There was this one tune he taught me. Can't think of it right now. Made me feel happy and sad at the same time.
SLICK
The best songs do... my old man wasn't around much either.
KARA
Military?
SLICK
Traveling salesman. Peddled toilet brushes, door to door.
KARA
(laughs)
Talk about a crap job.
SLICK
Dropped dead of a heart attack when I was twelve. My mother cried her eyes out at the funeral, and I sat there feeling nothing. Man was a stranger. The only thing I can ever remember about him was the crazy story he told me once about backwards birds.
KARA
The what?
SLICK
These birds that fly backwards. To wherever they've been.
Because only by seeing where they have been can they know where they are going.
Slick plays a riff and Kara takes this in.
KARA
That is the most pathetic bit of fatherly wisdom I have ever heard.
SLICK
And you thought you had a frakked up childhood. Feel better now?
KARA
Much
They share a laugh, and a powerful surge of chemistry.
Kara doesn't know where this is going, and doesn't care.
from i09, courtesy of the Booted Lady from a closed Livejournal group
link- http://io9.com/382965/leaked-scene-from-one-of-the-final-battlestar-episodes
I have been meaning to comment on last Fridays episode. I understand that Callie was distraught over the discovery of the Chief being a Cylon and she was despondant enough to kill herself and her baby. That was well established during the story. What I just can;t accept is that she made absolutely no effort to let someone know before sailing out the launch tube. I mean, leave a frackin' note for Adama or something! That was really lame and lazy of them to just have her shuffle off the the launch bay, passing all these people in the hallways, and she doesn't say boo. I was very happy when she got the boot, she was weak.
Quote from: Bryancd on April 24, 2008, 03:21:06 PM
I have been meaning to comment on last Fridays episode. I understand that Callie was distraught over the discovery of the Chief being a Cylon and she was despondant enough to kill herself and her baby. That was well established during the story. What I just can;t accept is that she made absolutely no effort to let someone know before sailing out the launch tube. I mean, leave a frackin' note for Adama or something! That was really lame and lazy of them to just have her shuffle off the the launch bay, passing all these people in the hallways, and she doesn't say boo. I was very happy when she got the boot, she was weak.
I agree, she should have told someone before she went to send herself out the airlock. If she hated Cylons that much, it just makes sense she would want to protect her people from the the ones she found out to be Cylons. Also, she knocked the Chief out, not sure why she did not try and finish him off, but instead she would sacrifice her baby, but leave the Chief alive.
I do like what they are doing with the 4, I am now starting to have my doubts about them, and this Fridays episode looks good. I am interested to see what happens with Starbuck as well, and if Anders being a cylon causes anything to jeopardize her mission.
I think that you are both missing the fact that she was in shock. She was pretty much running on autopilot at that point and if you suddenly learn the XO and your husband are the enemy, who can you trust?
Good point. Not to mention the fact that she was doped up on medication. She wasn't in the best mental state to start with; the writers made a point of bringing this up on several occasions.
Weak excuses, IMO. Com eon, guys, she was lucid enough to knock out the Chief, grab her child and walk ALL the way to the hanger bays. Please. Great episode, but that was a short cut that didn't work.
Fair enough. In my opinion, the reasons behind her behaivior are no less plausible than anything else in the show. Like the fact that Cally ends up marrying a guy who beats the crap out of her and leaves her hospitalized. Or like the fact that the show is about a bunch of humans from some far off planet who just happen to speak and read English, sing Jimi Hendrix songs, wear suits and ties, use rotary telephones, and fly around in spaceships fighting against sentient robots. Once I suspend my disbelief and let myself get sucked in by the premise of the show, things like Cally's behavior are fairly easy to take.
Quote from: wraith1701 on April 24, 2008, 06:45:18 PM
Fair enough. In my opinion, the reasons behind her behaivior are no less plausible than anything else in the show. Like the fact that Cally ends up marrying a guy who beats the crap out of her and leaves her hospitalized. Or like the fact that the show is about a bunch of humans from some far off planet who just happen to speak and read English, sing Jimi Hendrix songs, wear suits and ties, use rotary telephones, and fly around in spaceships fighting against sentient robots. Once I suspend my disbelief and let myself get sucked in by the premise of the show, things like Cally's behavior are fairly easy to take.
I agree with that. To me Cally didn't tell anyone else because she didn't CARE about telling them. If your first response is to kill yourself and your kid, I don't think that you are really up to sharing information.
I find her action completely believable. To accent that point she doesn't just decided to end her life, she seemed set to kill her kid too, BUT she didn't kill her Cylon husband.
If I were to examine her motivations I would think it was because she gave up hope. IF the one person you trusted enough to marry is a Cylon and the leader of the Cylon resistance on New Caprica is a Cylon that doesn't leave much faith that anyone else isn't. Why tell Adama when it seems that the core of his crew are Cylons and he has given rank to one of the Cylons?
Adama made his choice against Cally when he put Athena into a uniform after what Boomer did to him.
given that, I don't think that she would have told them if she was in her right mind while heading to kill herself and her kid.
I am as big a fan as you guys but isn't it funny how much we disect this show :)
I have to agrre with Just X on this one. Basically Callie was so distraught and defeated all she wanted to do was end it, get out. she didn't care about anyone else. Plus, with her usband turning out to be a Cylon, who else could she assume was human? Maybe she was worried she was a Cylon too!
Last night's episode was very interesting. The focus was heavily on the Chief, Tigh and Baltar (I missed Starbuck). I think the final four seem to be slowly losing it. It's interesting to watch how each of them deals with it. I'm starting to think more and more that "Head" 6 that Baltar sees is somehow a real entity. I'm not sure how, but when Baltar kept getting picked up and beat down they seemed to make it very obvious that some outside force was pushing him along. The stuff with Tigh and the Six in the brig was very interesting. The show continues to confuse and impress me both at the same time. I love it! :cylon
Yes, I found the sequences with Baltar and getting beaten by the guards leading me to believe that head 6 is more then just in his head. It did look like something was picking him up and pushing him back into the guards. Yes, it seems like the final 4 are each losing it, as Chief really unravelled in the episode, and I am wondering if not replacing that part was intentional. The showdown between Chief and Adama was really intense as well. The stuff with Tigh and 6 as well was really interesting, and how he kept seeing ellen. I am thinking that Tigh is going to do something pretty big soon as well, similar to what Tori and Chief have done.
All I have to say is Baltar cracks me up. That's the best part of last nights show :) His comments like "I just want to go lay down" made me laugh so hard!
I know that the religious elements of this show are pretty overt, but this episode solidified a comparison that has somehow slipped by me over the last few years. Given that the writer's are painting Baltar as a sort of Jesus figure (at least in the eyes of his followers), it seems that the 6 in his head is sort of a Satan figure. All along, she has been prodding, coaching, and tempting him down a certain path, sort of like Satan did when he tried to tempt Jesus to go astray in the desert. But unlike the story depicted in the Bible, Baltar is embracing the path being laid out for him by number 6.
I've always assumed that if the 6 in Baltar's head is an actual entity, and not just a figment of his imagination, she had his (and humanity's) best interests in heart. Now, I'm growing convinced that she is an actual entity, and is using Baltar as a pawn in a plan to destroy not only him, but the remnant of humanity.
What do you all think? Am I just stating the obvious, or is this comparison pretty far fetched?
Not far fetched - very interesting, actually.
I know it is not canon (or rather, I think it is not), but in the BSG:Origins comic series about Baltar, he had to have some sort of operation on his head. Guess who the surgeon was? (The doctor cylon, if you didn't catch my drift.)
Shortly after that, the Cylons attacked, and the show started. If anyone knows whether or not they consider those comics canon I would be interested. I haven't seen anything that says they are. (I haven't really looked, either, so there's that.)
I think that Head Six is still on the side of Baltar and humanity. What she did was make it seem as if he was the MASTER of the non-violent protest. They struck him down and he for lack of a better phrase, turned the other cheek. he couldn't have done this without Six's prodding.
Her presence make him seem more divine because he seemed to push past the pain to reach his goal in a non violent manner.
Quote from: Just X on April 27, 2008, 08:04:05 AM
I think that Head Six is still on the side of Baltar and humanity. What she did was make it seem as if he was the MASTER of the non-violent protest. They struck him down and he for lack of a better phrase, turned the other cheek. he couldn't have done this without Six's prodding.
Her presence make him seem more divine because he seemed to push past the pain to reach his goal in a non violent manner.
I like the 'turn the other cheek' analogy. :thumbsup
Other than Six's false claim that Baltar wouldn't be hurt if he proceeded, I don't really see anything suspicious in this scene.
The scene that struck me as kind of ominous was the earlier scene, when Six convinces Baltar to storm the temple-
BALTAR-
"Why can't I just be a man? Do I really need to take on the gods singlehanded?"
SIX-
"No, but imagine the kind of man you will be when you do. For surely such a man must be magnificant. Larger than life; godlike himself."This exchange struck me as being a blatant example of Six trying to manipulate Baltar through his ego; promising him divine status if he will just follow her instructions.
I don't think she considered the pain as harm. In the end, he was better for the action in the eyes of his people. Stronger. She didn't say it would be painless, but I can see how he might have confused her version of hurt with his.
!!!!POSSIBLE SPOLIERS!!!!
I know some folks choose not to watch the previews for the following weeks episode so I figured I would put the Spoiler Warning up there. Did the preview strike anyone else as....I don't know...odd or out of place? Now I know that the previews are purposfully mis leading and I will watch next week, but the preview kinda put me off for some reason. They made it seem like Helo and Gaeda were commiting mutiny presumably based on the fact that one of the Leoben's had come on board and was "guiding" Starbucks hand, if you will, and helping her get back on track in the quest for Earth. Now I have 2 problems with that: One, if they are committing mutiny becasue of Starbuck's trust of a cylon, well that just seems all wrong considering Helo is in LOVE WITH ONE. Two, while it may be a long and arduous journey and people may be getting restless...why go on the trip to search for Earth if you are not going to see it through. Was becoming a member of the crew of the Demetrius not voluntary (I really don't know the answer to this actually and am genuinely curious). What I am saying is that it would seem you would know you were in for a long journey and be prepared for setbacks and things like that. Like I said I will watch because I am sure (hope) that it is not what it seems. However the preview seemed...well kinda trite and out of character for the show. I should really stop watching the previews :)
QuoteWas becoming a member of the crew of the Demetrius not voluntary (I really don't know the answer to this actually and am genuinely curious).
I don't think it was entirely voluntary. Felix Gaeta made it clear that he isn't wild about the "new" Starbuck, and that he doesn't trust her... a sentiment shared by several other crewmembers of the Demetrius. I think some folks volunteered for the mission, and the rest had themselves volunteered by the Man In Charge.
*** By the way; R.D.M.'s podcasts for Six Of One and The Ties That Bind are now available on scifi dot com.***
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php) :cylon
I have really enjoyed listening to Ron Moores commentary. It brings so much more to the episodes. Pretty cool.
Finally got around to watching last night's episode; pretty moving stuff. The scenes with Roslyn and Nana Visitor's character kind of got to me; esp. when Roslyn was remembering the passing of her mother.
The scenes on the Basestar were pretty cool as well. I kept wanting Anders to go ahead and stick his hand in the interface pool to see what would happen. The hybrid's warning/prophecy was interesting-- "The Five who come from the 13th tribe?" So Tyrol, Tigh, Anders, Torey, and whoever the 5th are come from Earth? I'm eager to see how this plays out.
It will also be interesting to see how Adama and company react when Kara and Helo return with a Basestar in tow.
Quote from: moyer777 on May 07, 2008, 08:51:01 AM
I have really enjoyed listening to Ron Moores commentary. It brings so much more to the episodes. Pretty cool.
Until today. His latest wasn't as good. All of the sudden he just drops a huge amount of "F" bombs and that just turns me off. I do enjoy his perspective, considering he is brilliant in writing and producing good stories. Anyway... I gues that's my little annoyance.
:)
Good epidode last night. Lots of cool parts, very emotional, fascinating in the religious area now.
Holy Frak! What a great episode this week!!! I think we are finally starting to see the beginning of the end......sad but exciting at the same time.
"JUMP!!!!!!!" OMG :jawdrop
Yes, that was a great episode, and really started to move the storyline. Tigh was crawling out of his skin with the thought of the final 5 cylons being revealed. I like that they picked up the Opera house story again, will be interested to see what Roslyn finds out. I felt bad for the 6 getting shot, they are doing so well lately. I probably felt really bad for Gaeta, losing his leg, those scenes were tough to watch. I will be interested to see what they do with his character, and how he will interact with people like Anders. Kara and Helo.
I will admit after the previous two episodes, I was feeling a bit less excited about Galactica. The two parter to me really dragged, and besides finding the Base ship, did little else. I thought it could have been done in one episode, and cut out a bunch of the Baltar ramblings, plus a lot of the Leoben stuff. But this weeks episode was great, and got the story back on track, at least for me.
Wow. It wasn't until last night that I realized how unforgiving I can be. I'm watching him get his leg removed and the only thing I can think of is. "Well that's what happens to mutineers!"
When he is singing, I found myself wondering if he had any consideration for those people that were there because they didn't do anything wrong and maybe they didn't want to hear singing 24/7.
Man, I'm meaner than I thought I was because I had zero sympathy for Gaeta.
Okay.. now I can talk.. lasts nights episode was awesome.. as Darth said you can really tell they are starting to ramp up for the final big push to the series.
I felt really bad for Natalie (Six) when she was shot.. she seemed the best of the best of the Cylons. The eights (Athena) tends to have a problem with shot first ask questions later.
Loved that Roslin knew about Tory and Baltar, I'm not a fan of Tory and I hope Tyrol find out that she killed Callie.
It was good to see De... seems like she hasn't played much of a role in this season.
Still not liking Lee's new government position.. I don't like where they have taken his character... very boring.
Now to Gaeta
Quote from: Just X on May 17, 2008, 07:34:01 AM
Wow. It wasn't until last night that I realized how unforgiving I can be. I'm watching him get his leg removed and the only thing I can think of is. "Well that's what happens to mutineers!"
The entire shipped mutineered, not just Gaeta, I actually agree with them. Starbuck was a bit crazy. Anders should get some sort or punishment for shooting him.
Quote from: Just X on May 17, 2008, 07:34:01 AM
When he is singing, I found myself wondering if he had any consideration for those people that were there because they didn't do anything wrong and maybe they didn't want to hear singing 24/7.
I found his singing beautifully haunting. And they showed other people in the hospital and none of them seemed to mind. At least he could sing. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens to his character.
Only a handful let before they take there break for possible a year before we get the final ten episodes... it's going to be torture.
Quote from: Just X on May 17, 2008, 07:34:01 AM
Wow. It wasn't until last night that I realized how unforgiving I can be. I'm watching him get his leg removed and the only thing I can think of is. "Well that's what happens to mutineers!"
When he is singing, I found myself wondering if he had any consideration for those people that were there because they didn't do anything wrong and maybe they didn't want to hear singing 24/7.
Man, I'm meaner than I thought I was because I had zero sympathy for Gaeta.
I guess for me, the Mutiny kind off falls under a grey area. Like Kenny indicated, the whole crew mutinied, and Felix was following orders of Helo. Starbuck seemed to be going crazy, and most of the crew viewed her as being influenced by the enemy cylon Leoben. As well, Admiral Adama had told them to rendezvous back with the fleet at a certain time, so in a sense Helo and Felix were following higher orders.
On a personal level with the character of Felix Gaeta, his is the character I most identify with on the show. If I saw myself in a character, it would be his. It might be because he is a technical person, and I relate that to what I do for a living. As well, he is not a warrior like the others, and his heroism came from following the orders of Admiral Adama, or from getting the information the resistance needed from Baltar and the Cylons commanding office. Probably the most tense episode from last season for me, was the one where he was going to be airlocked. For me, the show would be emptier without him, even though his role is not a major one, and most of the time he is a background or secondary character. So I guess last night, I just felt really bad for him, as I was hoping he would come out of it alright. But since this is BSG, I pretty much knew he would lose his leg.
Kenny, don't get me wrong, I loved his singing, but the military part of me was still unforgiving of the whole mutiny. He was one of the initial voices for it and in the zero hour, Superman I mean Helo decided to jump aboard. I think that those that mutinied were let off easy.
I don't think anything should happen to Anders because he was protecting the captain's command and stopping a mutiny. By all military terms, he was in the right.
Sure Kara seemed a little crazy, but that's what they signed up for. She had a hunch and a feeling that she knew the path to Earth. They agreed to follow those hunches and feelings when they signed on. If she knew without doubt where Earth was, I don't think they would have needed to send them out to find it.
They got a little sir crazy and decided to seize control of the ship. No matter their intentions, it was still mutiny and the only thing Anders did was stop the mutiny.
I felt that this episode was like a work of art. From the music to the editing to the filming style, it was all excellent. I started shouting out loud when the president asked to find out who had been starting the rumors... the singing was haunting and the whole show was done up AMAZING for it's duration. Now that is some good BSG!
What's gonna happen??? hmmmmmm. :cylon
Loved this episode, and I must say that I thought the base ship jumping into the middle of the fleet was one of the best effects sequences since Exodus part 2.
I saw a flash of Romo Lampkin in the coming preview. Any thought of him being the final Cylon model? I thought it was interesting we saw him for a few eps in Season 3 then nothing, now he is popping up again. Whether he is or isn't, he is a great character and I am definitely glad we will be seeing him again.
Actually, the way they zoomed in on Gaeta in the last scene had me start to suspect him.
Lot's going on in the last episode or two. I'm still thinking the final Cylon model has to be something a bit more different or unique. Especially since the fifth didn't hear the music and get "called" with the other four at the end of season 3. I don't think it's Gaeta, but he has been a possible rumor for awhile. And Darth, I think Romo is a possibility too. I like his character a lot.
It's funny, but sometimes they don't think about things enough. Don't the colonials (Athena, Starbuck, etc...) know the hybrids control the jump drive and other systems on the base ships? So they just plug her back in? Seems kind of like a mistake.
Anyway, the show is really winding up. Too bad we will have a big break soon after they air a few more episodes. Still no date on when the second half of season 4 will be airing.
It was a very solid episode. Gaeta's singing was a little annoying and I think a red herring to make us think he might be the final Cylon.
I know, when they were plugging her back in I was like "Isn't that going to turn the ship back on?"
Quote from: billybob476 on May 19, 2008, 05:33:57 AM
I know, when they were plugging her back in I was like "Isn't that going to turn the ship back on?"
Same here.
With Roslyn and her entourage trapped who-knows-where on the damaged basestar, the writers have really kicked it up a notch.
Does anyone have any theories on how the final five could possibly be from earth? We keep hearing how they've been there. I'm still having trouble figuring out how this will work out, but I trust that the producers have something awesome up their sleeves.
Well, for them to know the location or existence of Earth, that implies that someone at some point had returned from earth. Also given that the signal to the final five was from a marker to Earth, that might suggest it lets them know where home is and woke them up.
Beyond that, I'm clueless.
I know many people have been complaining about how slow the BSG plot is this season, but I have loved. What really is pushing this season forward is not the plot, but the characters. The writers are completely evolving many of their characters. Sure I would like to know more about what's going on, but I think that working on character development is really a smart choice, especially after the life changing moments of last seasons finale. Anyways, thats just my take.
Oh, I agree. Character development alone is soap opera, technical problems is NasaCast. A blend keeps it interesting.
I am thinking that I understand that chestnut about Starburck being the 'Harbinger of Death'. My idea is that she will be the one that pulls the trigger on the Cylon Resurrection Hub - thus bringing true mortality to the Cylons - or bringing final death to them. No possibility of parole or resurrection the next time they get offed.
I just read that the new episode of BSG aired in the UK last night... not sure how that happened but it's up on bit torrent.. do I wait two more days or do I download and watch...
Wait.... It's only a couple days.
Yeah work is crazy and I'm putting in 18 hour days.. I wouldn't find the time to see it anyways..
Spoilers for tomorrow's episode here-LINK (http://io9.com/393717/new-battlestar-episode-packed-with-plotholes)
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t91/wraith1702/shark.gif) ...?
Not giving anything away. The person who wrote that had no clue of what was actually happening. I think it was the best episode of the season. I think he missed several key parts regarding regarding everything and I think that Adama summed it up well why he gave the ship to Tigh and what he really thought about him and 6.
Everything was explained in the show to my satisfaction and I think it was the best of the season.
Although this is a spoiler thread, I'll give it until Friday to let everyone get a chance to catch up.
If you noticed Lee and his reaction to the bowl and how the audio changed, you would have picked up that something was not right about the situation. I called in when I saw it and I think it was perfectly played.
BEST. SHOW. THIS. SEASON.
Spoiler Alert
After reading that link again, I can't help but comment now.
1) The fight between Tigh and Adama was perfect. The resolution was even better. In one line, Husker puts aside was Tigh did and tell him exactly what he should do about it.
2) Kira being the CAG makes perfect sense. Lee is gone and she did just broker a treaty with a huge part of the Cylon enemy. She did nothing that even remotely put the Crapper ship in any more danger than what they signed on for.
3) Maybe I was watching a different show, but I think it was pretty clear that the cat didn't make it to the fleet alive.
4) A part of me wonders if Natalie might have regenerated in a closer body than the resurrection ship.
5) I love how they summed up the character of Apollo and it made perfect sense that it went in the direction that it did. I am also happy that they finally touched on the fact that Roslyn was never elected president and someone else would have been in charge if not for Husker.
I enjoyed last night's show. One of the more interesting ones this season. Lee as President makes sense. Adama staying behind for Roslyn I'm not so sure. This is a guy that has had to make some tough choices over the years. To turn over command to Tigh and stay behind, I don't know it seemed a bit overboard to me. I can understand his feelings for Roslyn, but it still seemed not quite right. Starbuck just back as CAG and not looking for Earth? It's funny how all those episodes of her searching just seemed to be pushed aside - at least for now. Anyway these are minor little things and I am sure will become resolved over time. Only two more episodes left to show. And then the long wait for the final half of season 4.
Lee as President made sense to me as well. I will admit that I was a bit confused with the whole story between Lee and Romo Lampkin, as it seemed obvious to me from the outset that Lee would be the Choice. The whole brainstorming sessions seemed lost on me, but that is me, and I might be missing something deeper. I guess with Adama staying behind, does seem a bit odd for his character, but I guess in terms of his relationship with Rosyln does not. I guess as well, he does not want to put the fleet in risk, or anyone else to find her. Maybe he trusts Lee enough to make sure that Tigh does not get out of hand like the last time. Looking forward to seeing how they conclude the first 10 episodes as well in the next 2, hoping for maybe some more action as well.
Just finished watching the latest episode.. it was a very solid episode. I don't agree with Just X that it was "Best Show This Season". Very little happened but what did happen were major shifts in power. I can't wait to the finale two episodes of the first half of this season, but than again I don't want it to be over so soon.
Next week... Number 3 is back.. maybe will learn the ID of the fifth Cylon before they go on break.
I am 100% with JustX on this episode. One of the best this season. We are getting away from the whole religous thing which was weak and getting to what really makes us human: LOVE.
Tighs love for Ellen vs. Six
Adama's love for Rosalin
Lee's love for doing the right thing
It was great...and I think Romo is the final Cylon,
I was thinking that Romo is the final Cylon also, Bryan, though I have no confidence in any of my predictions on where this incredible show will go.
I read that article that Wraith linked to, and couldn't disagree more. This was a really good episode. None of those "plotholes" were problems to me.
I also thought that Romo was the final one, but by the end, I changed my mind.
After watching the episode, I'm relieved to say that I didn't see any Shark Jumping going on. Once again, this show has managed to take an exciting, unexpected turn. My only complaint is that we have to wait another week to see what's going on with Roslyn and the Base Ship.
***Cue Tom Petty Music***
"The wa-aiting is the hardest part!" :laugh:
Great episode...I am totally bummed that are only 2 epis left before a wait of Gods know how long.
One question/observation though. Is Six pregnant with Tigh's child? If so, isn't that supposed to not be possible? I know Human/Cylon hybrids were thought impossible previously(right?). Now we have the first evidence of Cylon/Cylon procreation? Or did I miss some key piece of the puzzle?
I don't think the final five Cylons are quite the same as the rest. Who knows what they can do?
OK, thanks Rco, that is kinda what I was getting at. So, if I have this correctly.....the female models of the "known seven" are able to procreate, just not with the male models of the aforementioned "known seven". The final 5 apparently CAN procreate and with other Cylons. Very interesting. I hope there is backstory given to things like this once the secrets start coming out...cuz my obvious question is....why?
I think I figured out the FINAL CYLON!!!!
Tonight's show was great, but I think I know the last Cylon
And the winner is ....
Starbuck's Viper
Another fantastic episode.. I love Mary McDonald (Roslin) she really shined in this episode. I did wish Baltar died, but I can still hope :)
Only two more episodes before the long hiatus.
Actually I think next week is the last. The preview for next week said something about last episode until 2009. It would make sense if it were, according to the preview.
I thought about that after I posted that.. but I don't remember they saying anything about this being the last until 2009...But then again billybob your up in Canada.. so maybe the previews were different then the US.
I just checked the website and it is the Summer Finale next Friday :( I can't believe there is only one episode left until the long hiatus... but from the previews it looks like it will be an AWESOME one.
I have a feeling that while not all, MUCH will be reveled...
Yeah....just enough to make us all really, REALLY mad that we have to wait until 2009 for some resolution.
All I can say about this weeks ep is WHOA! That was one of the best all-around episodes of the whole series. It pretty much had everything...action, drama, a bit of comedy, great effects....just an absolutely solid episode.
I was listening to one of Ron Moore's commentary shows this morning (I think it was only episode 3 of season 4 - still catching up) and a few general thoughts popped into my head.
1.) First, we know the Cylons were created by man. So man would have created the older Cylon models we saw in Razor. Then they "evolved." So this means the more mechanical Cylons "made" the human looking ones? Why does this seem hard to believe? Also, why would they still have centurions around? Wouldn't the mechanical Cylons have to be smarter in order to create the human versions, resurrection hubs and all that?
2.) Why did the hybrid in the last episode take Roslyn and the others to the resurrection hub? Did the Sharon model reprogram her? I thought the hybrid had independent thought?
Well, if that ship was the one the rebel Cylons were working off of, it would stand to reason that if the ship had independent thought it would also be going along with the rebellion.
Quote from: billybob476 on June 09, 2008, 08:59:41 AM
Well, if that ship was the one the rebel Cylons were working off of, it would stand to reason that if the ship had independent thought it would also be going along with the rebellion.
Yeah, I guess. But I thought it was almost more than that. Wasn't there a point in the episode when the Sharon has her hand in the water control thing and starts to realize they are jumping towards the hub? They didn't even seem to ask the hybrid to do that. They even try to stop her at one point. It's almost if there is another guiding influence going on. God??
It seems to me the whole story is telling us that for humans and cylons to survive, they will have to coexist in peace together. Given that the hybrid is prescient, perhaps she knows that the only way this will happen is with the destruction of the resurrection hub and so jumping the rebels there is her way of furthering this agenda and preserving both races.
Something I find unusual is that in an earlier episode the hybrid called Kara the bringer of death, which I thought referred to the destruction of the resurrection hub, effectively bringing true death to the cylon race, but then it turned out Kara wasn't even there when it happened. I'd lay the responsibility and title of "bringer of death" more on Roslyn than Kara.
But you have to consider that Kara did set things in motion that would allow Cylon death. She forged the treaty and sold their plan to the colonials. Seems like a good Harbinger of Death to me.
Perhaps it's more the death of the cylons way of life. If the remaining human type cyclons join with the humans then it will be an end to their way of existing. And Kara did bring back the baseship and set things in motion for much of what has recently happened.
The definition of "harbinger" is "One that indicates or foreshadows what is to come; a forerunner."
With this in mind, Kara did not need to be the one that destroyed the resurrection hub, just the sign that death was coming. Also this came to me as a surprise. I assumed that Kara would be the harbinger of death for the humans, not the Cylons. However, I guess it makes sense since only Cylons told her about it.
OK, how about this. The final five Cylons are from a future Earth where man has developed sentient machines. Man has sent the Cylon's out to seed the galaxy with humanity to propogate our species and to form a galaxy of harmony between man and machine. BUT, their experiment always ends in war and the Cylons and humans all returning to Earth, thus starting the cycle again. In every cycle there is a Baltar type of betrayl, a machine rebellion, a human savior, a dying leader, ect.
I don't fully disagree with you Bryan.
What I think is that after Adama and crew found Earth (OBSG), they fought the Cylons, made better cylons to keep the peace then returned to the colonies.
Several generations later, the rinse and repeat section of the story happens. This time, with Nukes involved, it makes the planet fleeing a little more serious.
I think that Apollo and everyone kept their names because the first Apollo and co were legends. The Adama family is one of the legacy families and Baltar is just a fall guy this time than a willing collaborator.
Chris, but then wouldn't they all know their past? How do we wipe their memory every time this happens?
You don't have to. given time and a generations of people, the details can be forgotten, or in some cases ignored if cloaked in religion.
Gotcha, so it all becomes part of their myth/religious foundation. That would likely make the Earth they are heading a VERY future Earth.
Battlestar Galactica: "The Hub" Burning Questions Answered!
Battlestar Galactica by Carole Segal/Sci Fi Channel
The awesome (I cannot stress this enough without sounding like a stalker) Jane Espenson has answered your (and my) burning questions about "The Hub."
I think we all agree that this episode of BSG really kicked it up a notch... there was a wonderful blend of character development and emotional journeys mixed with some awesome cylon humor and kick ass action. So, who better to answer questions about the episode than the lady who wrote it!
Here you go — Enjoy! And, if you'd like to leave any notes for Jane (nice notes only please) I'll be sure to pass them along to her.
Questions for Jane after complimenting her on one of the best episodes ever: How many scenes were deleted? (I wanted to see Laura's face when she heard "Husker" on the radio.) Other question: Was Laura in her hallucinations wearing the scarf that Emily gave her in "Faith?"
Jane Espenson: Oh, there were many deleted scenes, but the one you're talking about never existed. I wouldn't want to write that for fear of undercutting the moment of her seeing him step off the Raptor. With those kinds of moments you have to pick-and-choose since they're so emotionally similar. The scarf? Oh, was she? I didn't notice. That's cool if it's true! The wonderful thing about this show is that everyone involved is working in their own arena to make everything resonate, so it's entirely possible that that happened, but I was not aware of it.
What happened to Boomer after D'Anna killed Cavil? Did she escape?
Espenson: She certainly would've had time to. Heck, there was even time for Cavil to download, I suppose. Huh. How 'bout that.
What is the "Goo-Bath" made of?
Espenson: Oh, I asked that too, and now I forget. It comes in big buckets and they heat it up and you can't get it in your eyes. That's all I remember. It's also, mercifully, odorless.
How far they are taking Baltar as the Christ-figure? (Him lying there bleeding from the wrists and the side. Interesting...)
Espenson: I would've called it an abdominal wound, myself.
Why don't they try to treat Roslin's cancer again with Caprica Six's fetal blood cells?
Espenson: It's too advanced.
Was Natalie close enough to the hub or some other resurrection ship at the time of her death that she was able to download? Are there any more Natalies/Ginas?
Espenson: No, Natalie was too far away to download. And do you mean are there other Sixes with that more natural hair color? Oh, I'm sure there are. Sixes are available in a wide variety of hair colors and styles. I suspect there are also platinum Simons and perm Dorals... we just haven't seen 'em.
Knowing that Jane Espenson wrote this, I couldn't help but feel a tinge of Buffy. One of the first scenes where Roslin was in her dreamy vision, walking though a deserted Galactica, and she was talking about having morality on her shoulders (can't recall the exact dialogue) was totally reminiscent of Buffy tone and texture. Made me smile.
Espenson: Oh, that's interesting. I guess it was a bit vision-questy, like when Giles took Buffy to the desert where he did the hokey-poke
Quote from: Bryancd on June 10, 2008, 07:54:25 AM
Gotcha, so it all becomes part of their myth/religious foundation. That would likely make the Earth they are heading a VERY future Earth.
I'm betting that it is future Earth and I would be shocked if it wasn't.
Quote from: Just X on June 10, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 10, 2008, 07:54:25 AM
Gotcha, so it all becomes part of their myth/religious foundation. That would likely make the Earth they are heading a VERY future Earth.
I'm betting that it is future Earth and I would be shocked if it wasn't.
Everything you guys point out seems feasible, but I'm not sure that I like the idea of the original BSG being part of the show's continuity. I'm personally hoping that the Earth they discover is in the distant past.
Maybe it'll be 1980 when they get there...
The easy answer is it's a future Earth, long abandoned when humans went to the stars. At least that seems to simplest answer.
Well, Galactica has never let us down by going with the simple answer.
I'm willing to bet that it's future Earth and I'm hoping that they use that as a means to connect the two series.
I like the idea of them settling down on earth in the distant past. The religion of the colonists could be presented as being the origin of our current myths about the olympic pantheon.
I am thinking they won't let us see too much of Earth - other than the fleet orbiting Earth - and leave the rest to our imagination.
"Galactica" Expanded In 2009
By Garth FranklinFriday, June 13th 2008 9:35am
The Chicago Tribune reports that the remaining episodes of "Battlestar Galactica" will be expanded.
The series airs its mid-fourth season finale tonight and many have been left wondering when the final ten episodes would air.
Now it seemse that the final episode of the series could clock in at three hours, two of which will be added on bringing the episode count to twelve.
Also reports of further TV movies have been solidified with at least one pretty much set to be made this year.
Finally comes word from E! Online that the final episodes, no matter what the length, will be going to air in the first quarter of 2009.
Has anyone watched this little snippets of the previous "Galactica" episodes? Here's one from last week's "Hub."
(Spoilers if you haven't watched it yet)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf8YWovX_aI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf8YWovX_aI)
Check here for more:
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Thanks Rico. That was cool. :)
Just finished watching... all I can say is WOW... I'm totally speechless. I think I'm going to sleep on it and try and comment tomorrow... just WOW.
Cool episode, was surprised they would get to earth already. Am interested to see how the final episodes next year unfold. I am wondering if the 5th cylon is already on earth, and had sent the Viper back as a pointer.
All I can say, lets go Super scouts and Dr Z ;)
OK,
The show tonight was pretty amazing. Had me on the edge of my seat the whole time.
Things I liked--
The acting. WOW! Admiral Adama's scene flipping out.. GREAT STUFF! Including the drool.
The story- Didn't see some of it coming. What in the world? EARTH? AHHHHH!
I thought for sure Ty was going out the airlock!
I got so excited when the ships were flying down to the planet... what time were they in? What would they find? Who would they meet? So curious was I! :yoda
PLANET OF THE APES?
I thought for sure the camera would pan over and there would be Charlton Heston beating his hands in the sand and ol' lady liberty up to her waist in the water. Hmmmmm. Darn Dirty Apes!
What a show. Now we have to wait for eight or more months. Argh!
Quote from: jedijeff on June 13, 2008, 11:34:34 PM
Cool episode, was surprised they would get to earth already. Am interested to see how the final episodes next year unfold. I am wondering if the 5th cylon is already on earth, and had sent the Viper back as a pointer.
All I can say, lets go Super scouts and Dr Z ;)
Don't forget Spaceball!!!!
And the Wolfman
A-MAZING!!!!!
Anything I was going to say....Rick pretty much said it! Right down to the drool. I am totally blown away. Just....WOW!
Too bad Sci-Fi is not popular with the people who give out Emmy's cuz this show deserves ALOT of them.
Loved this episode. Just when you think the show can't top itself - it frakking does. Like I said on the podcast last week, the acting on this show is just superb! Loved how the whole episode came together. So now they are on blown up Earth. Where do they go from here? They can't stay there. It's going to be a painful wait until the last set of episodes comes early next year.
P.S. I also expected to see some apes charge out or the Statue of Liberty. That would of been funny.
What !?? WHAT !!??
As soon as the geigercounter went off, it was like...
I've fallen in love all over again. I think that there was a lot happening in the episode that it needs to be watched several times.
The final 4 pardoned AND returned to the fleet. The Cylon mistrust is gone for those even if it was there for Kara on her return.
Are the final 5 here to warn the other models and the humans of the futility of their battles?
If you think about it, MOST of the FINAL FIVE were the core of the resistance against the Cylons. Anders led the revolt on Caprica and Tigh on New Caprica.
It seems that Earth got hit worse than Caprica, but with the new alliance, I think that they can once again return home if all of Earth is bad.
I noticed that something was off with their return when we were shown the darkside of Earth and not even a single light.
What an episode... it's funny as soon as it was over both Rick (Moyer) and I jumped on skype and started chatting away about the episode. We were like excited little boys... OMG did you see when... WOW wasn't that just amazing... :)
Like I told Rick.. not much happened in this episode (action wise) but then so much happened in this episode (story wise).
As others have said.. the acting is superb, Mary McDonald had her moment to shine last week.. this weeks was Edward James Olmos.
I couldn't believe they made it to Earth.. I kept thinking.. what are they going to do for the final 10 episodes. I was so excited as was the crew when Adama did his speech.. it was very moving. Then the ships are flying down to the surface and as soon as they showed the hand grabbing the dirt and you hear the radiation sensor going off.. I thought.. oh crap... and I literally stood up and just stared as they revealed the devastated Earth.
What a series.. I'm looking forward to seeing where they take it.. they only have 10 or so episodes to wrap it up.
And Chris.. when the three cylons were drawn to the Viper.. I said out loud.. OMG.. Chris was right.. the viper is the final cylon.. but then in the preview we hear Adama say something like "You're the final Cylon". So I guess the viper wasn't it.
Amazing stuff.. now we wait.
I'm trying to recall and will watch it again, but they seemed to say the last Cylon wasn't in the Fleet. From the snippets of the last 10 episodes it looks like they might hang out at Earth for awhile. I'd guess the last Cylon is on Earth somewhere. Maybe underground to protect it and set off the signal to lead the colonies back to Earth. Just a guess right now. What do you all think?
It's probably Nova from POA.
Living in the underground city.
I was thinking the same thing Kenny when they were orbiting Earth.....There are still 10 episodes left....right? It will be really interesting to see what they do with the story. Unfortunately we have to wait 8months or so until we find out....ARRRGHHH!
Quote from: moyer777 on June 13, 2008, 11:48:32 PM
PLANET OF THE APES?
LOL That's exactly what went through my mind when the camera pulled back for the wide view of the devastation in the background.
This episode was really something else; it took twists and turns that I never saw coming! My favorite bits- Adama's breakdown after Tigh's reveal, and the hostage stand-off between Apollo and Deanna (Sp?). Very intense stuff!
It's going to be a long 8 months...
AMAZING EPISODE. I don't know how the keep blindsiding us like this. When I realized we were looking at devastated New York I turned to my wife and said "Why did they decide to land in New Jersey?"
I thought it was a funny comment at the time.
Great episode. Period. Although I actually wasn't as blown away by some of the performances this time. I actually thought Adama's breakdown was a little over the top. I did love it when he is meeting with Lee and Rosalyn and he is in his robe and then walks back in full uniform in a matter of seconds. that was great! Tigh's scene in the airlock was strong too.
Quote from: billybob476 on June 15, 2008, 06:12:51 AM
AMAZING EPISODE. I don't know how the keep blindsiding us like this. When I realized we were looking at devastated New York I turned to my wife and said "Why did they decide to land in New Jersey?"
I thought it was a funny comment at the time.
LOL! That would get them hightailing it back to New Caprica!
Here's a dumb question...if they are making peace with the Cylons...can't they just go back to the colonies now?
My wife had the best comment. She said, "Well, what are they going to do now that Earth sucks?" LOL!!!! :roflmao
Quote from: billybob476 on June 16, 2008, 04:52:20 PM
Here's a dumb question...if they are making peace with the Cylons...can't they just go back to the colonies now?
Aren't there differing opinions on the humans from the Cylons now?
he-he this is awsome also there are few spoilers http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/a56c/ (http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/a56c/)
The Big Reveal: More Details On The Final Cylon
By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Jul-14-2008
Speculation continues to run rampant on who the final Cylon is and how that person (well, that machine) will change the course of human history.
While you won't find the identity of the final Cylon as a spoiler on SyFy Portal, we can share one tidbit: Viewers may fight out who is the last Cylon sooner rather than later on "Battlestar Galactica."
"If a few people had their way, the Cylon's identity would've been revealed already," a source told SyFy Portal. "They are pivotal in the final batch of episodes, and we're not going to wait until the end to show you who it is."
According to multiple sources, the final Cylon was originally going to be revealed at the mid-season break, which just aired a few weeks ago on the SciFi Channel. It's not clear how the final Cylon would've been incorporated into the episode, but word is that it would've followed the twist at the end of the episode ... something that would've made the episode far heavier than it already was.
Click here to find out more!
There is a bunch of speculation on who the final Cylon is ranging through all the main characters not already revealed as Cylons, and even some of the animals.
The secret, however, has been kept very safe, although the Cylon's identity is starting to float around some circles after an apparent leak from filming. However, this seems like a secret that many fans -- and even news outlets like SyFy Portal -- are more than willing to keep, as it could soften some of the excitement leading into the final episodes.
But don't be too focused on this final Cylon, our source says.
"Everyone is talking about who it might be, and that's great. But there are far bigger fish to fry in this universe, and who that final Cylon is just one piece of many in this very intricate puzzle that we've put together for the fans. It'll be a finish worth waiting for."
Of course, none of this has been confirmed by SciFi Channel, so it should be treated as any rumor would.
"Battlestar Galactica" is expected to return to the network in early 2009.
I had no idea Brendan "Hotdog" Constanza was Bodie James Olmos, son of Edward James Olmos.. Bodie is going to be a comic con this year.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on July 22, 2008, 02:40:46 PM
I had no idea Brendan "Hotdog" Constanza was Bodie James Olmos, son of Edward James Olmos.. Bodie is going to be a comic con this year.
You didn't? WOW! I noticed in the first credit sequence.
heh. I never noticed either.
All 'BSG' Questions Will Be Answered
By ALAN STANLEY BLAIR
Source: SciFi Wire
Jul-23-2008
If you were worried that a few questions wouldn't be answered in the final 10 episodes of "Battlestar Galactica," you apparently have nothing to worry about as, according to actor Jamie Bamber, the final run of episodes will not only reveal the identity of the final Cylon, but will also answer every question the series has offered.
"Yeah, yeah, everything," Bamber told SciFi Wire. "I can't really think of a really loose thread ... Not off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a couple, but I can't think of one."
In the new episodes, the characters will be forced to deal with their grim discovery of a scorched Earth with no 13th tribe awaiting their return. And if you thought that ending was shocking, just wait until you've seen what the season finale has in store.
"Every character has been tortured to death, basically, over the five years," Bamber said. "What you can expect is a really, really good ending. You know, a real ending. And it's all gearing to that, and I think the writers really took it upon themselves to be responsible for all the strange twists and story points and surprises and to try and resolve everything in a way that makes sense.
"And that's a big challenge when you're sort of story-making on the fly over five years ... They've tied everything up. So that's what you can expect, is a satisfactory, very elegant conclusion."
Despite reports that the ending to the series will have fans screaming for a happier ending, Bamber believes that the conclusion the series is perhaps the best written episode the show yet, not to mention the best thing to hit the small screen.
Bamber said he was "blown away," by the recently completed finale. "It's the best thing I've ever read for TV. Yeah. I mean, I hope it translates, and it comes across, and it's not just us, because we're so involved. But I had tears in my eyes, and the thing is, [series creator] Ron [Moore] wrote it on his own, without really any collaboration, and it's sublime."
"Battlestar Galactica" will make its return to the SciFi Channel in January.
Edward James Olmos: BSG Finale Is Tough
By MICHAEL HINMAN
Aug-26-2008
With the way Edward James Olmos is preparing fans for the end of "Battlestar Galactica" early next year, it's kind of hard to believe that Ronald D. Moore and his team are going to carry the theme of dark and brutal right to the end.
Following up on comments he made a few months ago to fans, Olmos -- who plays Adm. William Adama in the signature SciFi Channel series -- made it clear once again that viewers should have those Kleenex ready to go when they tune in to the final hours of the show.
For him, the finale is "heartbreaking," he said during FanExpo 2008 in Toronto, courtesy of The TV Addict.
"I'm telling you this for a reason, because I don't wnat you guys to think you're going to go through this without getting yourself really twisted ... it's brutal what happens to us," Olmos said. "Not many of us make it."
Olmos shares some other tidbits about the show, including how both Aaron Douglas and Michael Hogan -- who play Chief Tyrol and Col. Tigh in the series -- were mad about becoming Cylons, something Hogan himself shared with reporters last year (including SyFy Portal) on the set of "Battlestar Galactica." In fact, Hogan still refuses to accept his character is a Cylon, even after filming ended, Olmos said.
Olmos also shared details about the upcoming Battlestar telemovie, including the fact that it will focus mostly on the first three seasons of the series, and be a very Tyrol-specific story, which will give Aaron Douglas a starring role.
"Battlestar Galactica" returns with its final episodes in January on SciFi Channel, and the telemovie -- written by Jane Espenson and directed by Olmos -- is expected to hit store shelves in the summer.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on August 26, 2008, 10:50:39 AM
Edward James Olmos: BSG Finale Is Tough
By MICHAEL HINMAN
Aug-26-2008
With the way Edward James Olmos is preparing fans for the end of "Battlestar Galactica" early next year, it's kind of hard to believe that Ronald D. Moore and his team are going to carry the theme of dark and brutal right to the end.
Following up on comments he made a few months ago to fans, Olmos -- who plays Adm. William Adama in the signature SciFi Channel series -- made it clear once again that viewers should have those Kleenex ready to go when they tune in to the final hours of the show.
For him, the finale is "heartbreaking," he said during FanExpo 2008 in Toronto, courtesy of The TV Addict.
"I'm telling you this for a reason, because I don't wnat you guys to think you're going to go through this without getting yourself really twisted ... it's brutal what happens to us," Olmos said. "Not many of us make it."
Olmos shares some other tidbits about the show, including how both Aaron Douglas and Michael Hogan -- who play Chief Tyrol and Col. Tigh in the series -- were mad about becoming Cylons, something Hogan himself shared with reporters last year (including SyFy Portal) on the set of "Battlestar Galactica." In fact, Hogan still refuses to accept his character is a Cylon, even after filming ended, Olmos said.
Olmos also shared details about the upcoming Battlestar telemovie, including the fact that it will focus mostly on the first three seasons of the series, and be a very Tyrol-specific story, which will give Aaron Douglas a starring role.
"Battlestar Galactica" returns with its final episodes in January on SciFi Channel, and the telemovie -- written by Jane Espenson and directed by Olmos -- is expected to hit store shelves in the summer.
Oh man... I don't know if I can handle anything heartbreaking!
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on July 22, 2008, 02:40:46 PM
I had no idea Brendan "Hotdog" Constanza was Bodie James Olmos, son of Edward James Olmos.. Bodie is going to be a comic con this year.
I can't believe I never noticed the similarity!