Which ship would win in a fight. A Galaxy Class Starship or an Imperial Star Destroyer.
I think the Galaxy every time. I don't think any of the SD weapons could dent a Galaxy's shields.
My opinion
Andy
lol funny topic. They really do not talk about shield capabilty too much in star wars so this is a WAG but I would have to say a Galaxy class ship because its fast and it can manuver around so fast.
Yeah I agree with Blackride... Galaxy class could fly circle around the Star destroyer. But the Star Destroyer uses laser cannons and the Galaxy class uses phaser and toredos. Can a shield stop a laser cannon?
I believe a shield can stop a laser turrent because in one episode in Early TNG when that smuggler/thief guy gets that girl pregnant and two ships show up......the engineer said they can shoot till their lasers run out and it will not dent the shields.
Andy
Yeah, the D went up against ships with lasers and tried not to laugh. Also, the standard weapons of a galaxy class could in theory destroy a planet. That makes it death star scale but much smaller. Let's not even consider the transporters.
Ahh but a SD has fighters, which means you've got multiple attack options and a possible screen for torpedoes. Obviously a tie fighter wouldn't even scratch a Galaxy class ship, but mass attacks could drain shields..possibly :dstar
LOL - it's the eternal debate-- Star Trek vs Star Wars...
Anyone seen this?
Star Trek vs Star WarsThe Star Destroyer outmasses the Galaxy Class Starship by a huge margin, but the Starfleet ships have the advantage of computer-aided targeting and weapons controll. Star Wars tech seems to rely a lot more on manually targeted and operated weaponry. Computers>human reflexes.
That clip was fun.
"Captain, the enemy vessel is firing 400 gigawatts of particle energy!"
"Let's get the hell out of here, Warp 8."
Starfleet needs shorter commands for emergency situations. I'd suggest a code word. Jean-Luc could just yell "vamoose" and the crew would know what to do. And there should just be a vamoose button which the helmsman can hit which computes safest trajectory and gets the ship out of danger.
In fact, the senior bridge crew (except for Deanna) should have the discretion of declaring a vamoose without waiting for authorization.
The exchange would've gone like this.
"VAMOOSE!!!"
[ warp trail ]
"Mr. Worf, why did we just run."
"Captain, the enemy vessel was firing a burst of 400 gigawatts of particle energy!"
"Good call, Mr. Worf. Ready all weapons. Mr. Crusher, lay in a course back to the battle, Warp 8. Let's try that again. Engage."
This has been a long-standing geek debate going back to my childhood. I've probably had this conversation 30 times with different groups of friends.
Like Rico said, the computer-aided targeting of Trek tech is so far beyond what we see in Star Wars. Back in the 80s, I read that an F-18's computers could track 10 targets on radar (and that was with little more than stone knives and bearskins). Obviously, the every TIE Fighter in the Imperial navy would be little more than a nuisance to the Enterprise-D. 30 seconds of a sustained phaser attack would solve that problem.
There's nothing to indicate that shields on Star Destroyers offer the same level of protection as Starfleet shields. The Star Destroyer's weaponry also doesn't seem to be in the same league as the phasers and photon torpedoes at Jean-Luc's command. Add to that the far superior maneuverability of Federation starships, and you end up with a fairly one-sided contest.
As to the Death Star, you have to remember the sophisticated sensors of the Federation flagship. Upon detecting the moon-sized station, Data would run some scans. Not only would he detect the massive weaponry within it, putting the crew on alert for the power buildup of the main gun, but he would be able to analyze its shields, if they exist, and detect a frequency to penetrate them, or some other vulnerability.
And if there happened to be some small thermal exhaust port on the Death Star, Data would find it, program a photon torpedo for the journey, and that'd be the end of that.
Of course, there's always the danger of Vader choking Jean-Luc while they're speaking on the viewscreen.
Put in other terms, if this was boxing, the Federation punches harder, reacts faster, moves around the ring better, has better stamina and is just a smarter fighter. KO in the first round.
Wow...what an incredibly geeky topic. I love it!
I think the Galaxy ships are more manuverable and could avoid the cannons. But after seeing the size of the Executor in comparison to the Enterprise, in Kenny's ship comparison post, I would have to say that the Star Destroyer could not be defeated. Geoff is right, the Galaxy class ship would have to fight Ti Fighters in addition to the Laser cannons. Pickard made a good point too—Vader could choke the captain of the Federation ship. To top it off the Galaxy ship would have to avoid the mega gigando tractor beam. They had enough trouble with the Borg Cubes, and those bad boys are still much smaller than a Star Destroyer.
Maybe as a part of an armada, a Galaxy ship could whoop 'em... but not solo. He-he-he I got to say "Solo".
If the fight got dirty, the Enterprise could launch remote-piloted shuttlecraft at vulnerable points on the Star Destroyers, mimicking the successful kamikaze attacks we saw from rebel pilots.
Ahhh I've had this topic bounced off of everyone ik and there still is no conclusion. We need George Lucas to get in with Paramount and have the final war with the Federation and the Empire. It would be soooooo sweet :)
King Linksr
Instead of just saying that laser cannons are outmatched by phasers, you do have to take into account the actual, physical damage done by each. In Star Wars, the evidence points to their turbo lasers being more than powerful enough to destroy asteroids. In the "Knights of the Old Republic" video games, one ship was enough to wipe out a planet's population from orbit. So maybe the SD's lasers aren't really as weak as we might want to think. After all, you've got to do a little cross-series language translation. "Laser" in Star Wars might not mean the same thing as it does in Star Trek.
Also, yes, there are something like 60 fighters of one kind or another aboard a SD. In a massive assault, they would be too numerous and maneuverable to target effectively with only a couple phaser banks. And torpedos are just too slow to be effective, unless you were to detonate them in the midst of a cluster of fighters and hope for splash damage.
But, given the sheer obviousness of the SD's shield generators, it wouldn't exactly take a super intelligent android to figure out how to take out the shields.
EDIT: Also, the ships in Star Wars are much, much faster (at least in hyperdrive) than Star Trek ships. You've got Star Wars ships routinely crossing from one side of the galaxy to the other in a matter of days or weeks, whereas in Star Trek, to get from the outer edge of the Delta Quadrant to the Alpha it would take Voyage 70 years to get back, using their normal warp capabilities. We've got to assume the Galaxy ship in this battle doesn't have transwarp or any of that nonsense. If the SD needed to run away and regroup, it would have no trouble in doing so.
YEAH...what he said... :D
And shuttle craft wouldn't match the speed and agility of a Ti...they're not built for the same purpose.
The main trouble with this discussion is Star Trek tries to be Science Fiction and loosely based on scientific concepts. Star Wars is pure space fantasy and therefore can do pretty much whatever it wants. I love both franchises dearly, but I will have to side with Starfleet vessels winning every time.
Quote from: Rico on October 21, 2007, 04:53:50 PM
The main trouble with this discussion is Star Trek tries to be Science Fiction and loosely based on scientific concepts. Star Wars is pure space fantasy and therefore can do pretty much whatever it wants. I love both franchises dearly, but I will have to side with Starfleet vessels winning every time.
Science can not beat out George Lucas's mind :) jk
No one has mentioned a technology that is exclusive to the Star Trek universe- transporters.
Picard could simply have the transporter room lock on to all life signs present on the bridge of the Star Destroyer, and beam them into space. Repeat as needed.
Quote from: wraith1701 on October 21, 2007, 05:38:17 PM
No one has mentioned a technology that is exclusive to the Star Trek universe- transporters.
Picard could simply have the transporter room lock on to all life signs present on the bridge of the Star Destroyer, and beam them into space. Repeat as needed.
Force Fields?
Quote from: Blackride on October 21, 2007, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: wraith1701 on October 21, 2007, 05:38:17 PM
No one has mentioned a technology that is exclusive to the Star Trek universe- transporters.
Picard could simply have the transporter room lock on to all life signs present on the bridge of the Star Destroyer, and beam them into space. Repeat as needed.
Force Fields?
I don't think that they are constantly active on ships in the Star Wars universe. After all, the Falcon had no problem not only approaching, but making physical contact with (and hitching a ride on) the hull of a Destroyer in Empire Strikes Back. And as we saw in Jedi, individual starfighters had no problem smashing into the bridge of a star destroyer.
good call Wraith.. beam them all into space.. that's an easy win.
Quote from: Blackride on October 21, 2007, 05:33:05 PM
Science can not beat out George Lucas's mind :) jk
j/k? heresy!
Quote from: wraith1701 on October 21, 2007, 05:38:17 PM
No one has mentioned a technology that is exclusive to the Star Trek universe- transporters.
Picard could simply have the transporter room lock on to all life signs present on the bridge of the Star Destroyer, and beam them into space. Repeat as needed.
I considered that as well...but the Federation has ethics and morals...They couldn't/wouldn't do that to an entire crew. And wouldn't all their power be used for shields and phaser banks? Beaming an entire crew off the Star Destroyer would sap a lot of valuable energy needed to defend themselves from the hoards of Ti Fighters among other things.
Quote from: 3 Ducks in a Man Costume on October 21, 2007, 12:36:29 PM
EDIT: Also, the ships in Star Wars are much, much faster (at least in hyperdrive) than Star Trek ships. You've got Star Wars ships routinely crossing from one side of the galaxy to the other in a matter of days or weeks, whereas in Star Trek, to get from the outer edge of the Delta Quadrant to the Alpha it would take Voyage 70 years to get back, using their normal warp capabilities. We've got to assume the Galaxy ship in this battle doesn't have transwarp or any of that nonsense. If the SD needed to run away and regroup, it would have no trouble in doing so.
I was under the impression Star Wars hyperdrives were much much slower then warp. Han Solo mentions the Falcon can do "0.5 past lightspeed" which I believe means it can go 1.5 x the speed of light. The speed of light is somewhere around warp 1 (not exactly warp 1 if I remember right) and the scale is kind of logarithmic until it approaches warp 10 where it changes to exponential.
I gotta go read that technical manual again.
Quote from: billybob476 on October 22, 2007, 08:45:43 AM
Quote from: 3 Ducks in a Man Costume on October 21, 2007, 12:36:29 PM
EDIT: Also, the ships in Star Wars are much, much faster (at least in hyperdrive) than Star Trek ships. You've got Star Wars ships routinely crossing from one side of the galaxy to the other in a matter of days or weeks, whereas in Star Trek, to get from the outer edge of the Delta Quadrant to the Alpha it would take Voyage 70 years to get back, using their normal warp capabilities. We've got to assume the Galaxy ship in this battle doesn't have transwarp or any of that nonsense. If the SD needed to run away and regroup, it would have no trouble in doing so.
I was under the impression Star Wars hyperdrives were much much slower then warp. Han Solo mentions the Falcon can do "0.5 past lightspeed" which I believe means it can go 1.5 x the speed of light. The speed of light is somewhere around warp 1 (not exactly warp 1 if I remember right) and the scale is kind of logarithmic until it approaches warp 10 where it changes to exponential.
I gotta go read that technical manual again.
Again, it's not so much in the technical details, because different tech terms mean completely different things in each universe. Instead, you've got to look at the actual results. In this case, it's actual distance traveled
What an awesome and fun topic. Here is my 2 cents that may be somewhat logical but is also given with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
No one has yet taken into account the time factor. The Enterprise D is a product of the 24th Century. Star Wars takes place "A long time ago in a GFFA". IMO it is safe to assume that any race that had FTL travel and turbolasers "a long time ago" has not hit a scientific dead-end with no advancements in technology. Therefore how would the Enterprise D fare against GFFA technology in a comparable time period? I ask you that? HMMMMMM?
A bit off topic...well not off topic but a tangent...I always found it humorous that the term "Federation Starship" was used a few times in Attack of the Clones and used to reference the "enemy"...I always thought that was a good natured barb at the "competition".
Quote from: Darth Gaos on October 22, 2007, 12:23:14 PM
A bit off topic...well not off topic but a tangent...I always found it humorous that the term "Federation Starship" was used a few times in Attack of the Clones and used to reference the "enemy"...I always thought that was a good natured barb at the "competition".
Paramount sued Fox over the use of that term.. not sure what the outcome was.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on October 22, 2007, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: Darth Gaos on October 22, 2007, 12:23:14 PM
A bit off topic...well not off topic but a tangent...I always found it humorous that the term "Federation Starship" was used a few times in Attack of the Clones and used to reference the "enemy"...I always thought that was a good natured barb at the "competition".
Paramount sued Fox over the use of that term.. not sure what the outcome was.
Probably nothing, you can't really copyright the notion of a federation.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on October 22, 2007, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: Darth Gaos on October 22, 2007, 12:23:14 PM
A bit off topic...well not off topic but a tangent...I always found it humorous that the term "Federation Starship" was used a few times in Attack of the Clones and used to reference the "enemy"...I always thought that was a good natured barb at the "competition".
Paramount sued Fox over the use of that term.. not sure what the outcome was.
I never heard that. Interesting. (Wouldn't they sue Lucasfilm primarily? Fox was just the films distributor.) That was a silly movie, as billybob said, it's a pretty generic term.
Yea, my ears pricked up when I heard the Federation Starship usage. But I had no problems over it. Though I'll bet Lucas made it happen so that he needled Star Trek. He'll never admit it though lol.
King Linksr
I also tend to think that a Federation ship would beat any Star Wars ship.
Quote from: Jen on October 22, 2007, 06:46:42 AM
Beaming an entire crew off the Star Destroyer would sap a lot of valuable energy needed to defend themselves from the hoards of Ti Fighters among other things.
I think all a Federation ship needs to do is beam out all the personnel from the bridge--maybe a dozen or so people. Shouldn't take too much energy or time. Is it ethical? Sure--what's the difference between killing them in the vacuum of space or killing them with photon torpedoes?
It'd be very cool to see the Defiant going against Ti Fighters. Hey didn't Starfleet field small fighters in their final fight against the Dominion? It'd also be cool to see those fighters do battle with Ti fighters.
I agree with your Lucas comment Kinglinksr. Does Lucas like Star Trek anyway?
Quote from: PepperDude on October 22, 2007, 02:31:13 PM
I think all a Federation ship needs to do is beam out all the personnel from the bridge--maybe a dozen or so people. Shouldn't take too much energy or time. Is it ethical? Sure--what's the difference between killing them in the vacuum of space or killing them with photon torpedoes?
Yep; that's what I meant by my earlier post. Remove the head of the snake (the command crew), and the body dies. A lot more humane than destroying the entire star destroyer.
QuoteIt'd be very cool to see the Defiant going against Ti Fighters. Hey didn't Starfleet field small fighters in their final fight against the Dominion? It'd also be cool to see those fighters do battle with Ti fighters.
The Akira-Class ships are designed to carry a complement of
Perigrine class warp fighter craft. (http://www.coldnorth.com/owen/game/startrek/relic/peregrine.htm)
Why didn't they just beam out the enemies of every ship they went head to head with? ;)
Seems like it would have made their lives much easier when combating the Borg, Romulans, Klingons or Dominion. You're tactic sounds like a winner to me, but I don't think it was a battle tactic they ever practiced during combat. It probably violates some rule of engagement the Starfleet/Federation has.
Quote from: Jen on October 22, 2007, 06:26:56 PM
Why didn't they just beam out the enemies of every ship they went head to head with? ;)
I think that they would if they could. :)
Unlike the ships of the Star Wars universe, the ships of the Star Trek universe have shields which would prevent this. I base this belief on the fact that in many instances, we see Star Wars ships being contacted or damaged by physical objects that would be deflected by Star Trek ships.
For example, several star destroyers are damaged by relatively small asteroids in Episode V. Also in Episode V, the Falcon is able to attach itself to the hull of Vader's star destroyer. In the Star Trek universe, shields would have prevented the Falcon from even coming close to a starship. And in Episode VI, we see at least one star destroyer get taken out by a kamikazi dive by a damaged starfighter that was at least 100 times smaller than the destroyer. In Trek, comparatively sized objects, such as bits of debris, are routinely knocked out of the ship's path by the standard navigational deflector shield.
To be fair, they had noted that their shields were down around the bridge when that A-Wing flew through the window in Star Wars.
But maybe to complicate things further, what if you had someone like Darth Vader aboard the SD when it went up against the Galaxy ship? Perhaps the Force would be the real deciding factor, not technology.
Yeah you could be on to something. :worthy Darth Vader could use his Battle Meditation skillz to give his ship and fleet the upper hand. BTW, Battle Meditation is a skilled that Bastila used in Knights of the Old Republic with great effectiveness.
QuoteDon't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
Quote from: PepperDude on October 22, 2007, 11:09:29 PM
Yeah you could be on to something. :worthy Darth Vader could use his Battle Meditation skillz to give his ship and fleet the upper hand. BTW, Battle Meditation is a skilled that Bastila used in Knights of the Old Republic with great effectiveness.
And (just to get totally geeky) also to used to some effect by Joruus C'Baoth (sp) in the Thrawn Trilogy.
That was actually something I hadn't considered...the effect any Force-users may have on the battle.