I've tried to give Star Trek Remastered a shot by watching two or three episodes, but I ultimately didn't like it. I don't like the idea of altering the TV episodes to make them look uber-kewl for today's young TV audience who turns their nose up at the TV show because of bad special effects. Does CBS really think that's the only reason young people won't watch the show? I can think of at least ten reasons why today's young TV audience doesn't like the original Star Trek. Besides that, there's the issue that the 2000's special effects does not match the 1960's footage. It looks incredibly forced. In addition to this, they have this incredibly detailed special effects, yet the ships move like 1960's model miniatures. This results in cartoonish looking special effects. Besides the special effects of space ships and planets, they've changed other special effects! What used to be classic is now generic CGI effects I've seen in dozens of sci-fi movies. It robs Star Trek of it's classic 1960's magic.
How about you, do you like Star Trek Remastered? Please, don't just over a gushy yes or a bashing no. Tell us why you like or dislike the changes. :biggrin
As a long time fan, I LOVE the remastered versions. It makes them way cool.
What a great opportunity to make it more like it was intended to look like. As long as the old versions still exist, I don't see any problem with the enhancements.
None of the story lines have been changed, and that is what made Star Trek so awesome.
I like the pace of the show better, I'm more into the story because of the exotic locations look alien, and the ship(s) looks so much better! I would imagine a lot when I was a kid, and now they have made what I imagined come to life.
It's a great show, made even better.
:biggrin
This has been discussed here before. While I like the changes and added effects in general, I'm happy to also still have the originals. I actually think they blend in rather well. They tried to not overdue it. Anytime you change a classic you are going to take some heat. I've seen the original episodes dozens and dozens of times. I know the pacing, timing, lighting, effects, etc. by heart. I can even recite the words from most of them. So I was expecting to not really like the changes. But I kind of like it.
On the issue of getting younger folks to watch I'm not so sure that was a big part of the reason for doing this. Trek just celebrated it's 40th anniversary. They are remastering the episodes for future HD release. So adding some enhanced effects for that was kind of a natural progression.
Again, the original versions are all out on DVD, so if that's your preference you have them. And if I could only own one set, that's the set I would have. But it's kind of fun to see the new versions. One they did an amazing job with was "The Doomsday Machine." Awesome work on enhancing that one.
Personally, I like the original special effects. Sure, it doesn't compare to what they were able to do on VOY and ENT, but they are good special effects regardless. The ship always looked realistic to me, and though the planets were often one color, they were still cool to see. Watching an episode of
Star Trek is a fun trip back to the 1960's. :)
Quote from: Rico on June 12, 2007, 02:15:12 PM
This has been discussed here before.
I wasn't here then. :P
QuoteWhile I like the changes and added effects in general, I'm happy to also still have the originals. I actually think they blend in rather well. They tried to not overdue it. Anytime you change a classic you are going to take some heat. I've seen the original episodes dozens and dozens of times. I know the pacing, timing, lighting, effects, etc. by heart. I can even recite the words from most of them. So I was expecting to not really like the changes. But I kind of like it.
Wow. Most episodes I've only seen 1-3 times. :o
QuoteOn the issue of getting younger folks to watch I'm not so sure that was a big part of the reason for doing this.
Seems like it...
QuoteTrek just celebrated it's 40th anniversary. They are remastering the episodes for future HD release. So adding some enhanced effects for that was kind of a natural progression.
Couldn't they have made some kind of direct-to-video movie or something? That would have been far more interesting than new special effects for 40-year-old episodes. :-\
QuoteAgain, the original versions are all out on DVD, so if that's your preference you have them.
So long as they continue to be available, I will be happy! :biggrin
QuoteOne they did an amazing job with was "The Doomsday Machine." Awesome work on enhancing that one.
Great special effects, but when plugged into the episode, it doesn't work at all. You might as well take VOY special effects and plug them into the episode. :blink
I like what they have done as well with the remastered epsiodes. Like Rick said, the enhancements have made things look more like they were intended. Episodes like the Doomsday Machine had me appreciating it on a higher level then I did before, and I got a better idea of what the enterprise was faced with. Even if they did not update the special effects, just the quality of the epsiodes look so much better to me.
I agree with Rico, that when classics are updated, there are going to be people who dont like it. I know for myself, when they release these on HD, I will pick them up. I have both Version of the Original Trilogy for Star Wars, and I thought it was cool they released the Originals on DVD last year, I still find that I prefer to watch the special editions. I suspect that in the future, I will feel likewise about Original series for Star Trek, and opt for the remasterd versions for viewing.
I think with more people buying Home Theaters and HD televisions, they are going to want to watch shows with better production qualities. I think it is a good move by Paramount/CBS to keep up with the technology, as people will be able to enjoy Star Trek without feeling like they are limited due to the age of the series.
When watching the DVDs of TOS I can see why they would want to enhance the special effects because every effect shot, especially ship shots, are very grainy compared to the live action shots. Now if this is so apparent on DVD how much more would it be so on HD. I have not seen enough of the episodes to say I prefer one over the other but the remastered versions do look better on my HDTV and that is without an HD signal. So, I'm all for it based on that. Comparative screenshots can also be seen at http://trekmovie.com/ (http://trekmovie.com/).
Kevin
The DVD's look fine on my 17" LCD screen. :confused
Well, all I can say is that compared to the live action scenes the sfx shots are quite grainy. I don't see how you cannot see it even on a 17 inch screen because I have noticed it for years. Even on the VHS tapes prior to DVDs. I mean they are watchable but the ship scenes look faded and grainy to my eyes.
Kevin
I love the magic marker outline on the Enterprise as it orbits planets.
(http://www.danmartin.net/trek/COTEOF1.jpg)
I see some grain on the Enterprise.
(http://www.danmartin.net/trek/COTEOF2.jpg)
Quote from: Ktrek on June 12, 2007, 08:41:01 PM
Well, all I can say is that compared to the live action scenes the sfx shots are quite grainy. I don't see how you cannot see it even on a 17 inch screen because I have noticed it for years.
I see it, I'm just not bothered by it. :biggrin
QuoteI mean they are watchable but the ship scenes look faded and grainy to my eyes.
Agreed, but that's the 1960's for you. :blink I'd rather preserve the show's history than replace it with plastic-looking effects. :taz
The current effects are not plastic-looking. The first incarnation of the Enterprise digital model did appear that way, to some eyes, however even the harshest critics have admitted that the updated model being used in the recent episodes is a giant leap forward.
Quote from: pickard on June 12, 2007, 09:43:04 PM
The current effects are not plastic-looking.
That would be a matter of opinion. :)
QuoteThe first incarnation of the Enterprise digital model did appear that way, to some eyes, however even the harshest critics have admitted that the updated model being used in the recent episodes is a giant leap forward.
The CG model looks fantastic, but when it's moving as slow as it does, it looks incredibly fake. Naturally, a starship would be quick and agile since there's no gravity nor atmosphere in space. In the 1960's, they had filmed models, so it makes sense for the ships to move slowly as that's the best they could do. Given today's special effects technology, we can now portray starships as we'd expect them to move. Having a CG space ship move like a 1960's motion control model just... doesn't... work... It looks incredibly fake. :blink
CJLP, I think you're being overly critical. I have seen several of the episodes and I think they have done a fair job in trying to keep the look and feel of the 1960s show. Can you tell it's CGI? Yea I suppose you can but I could say the same thing about Stargate, Battlestar Galactica or many other modern shows. I really don't think that there is any harm in updating the episodes for HD viewing. For now TOS has been released twice on DVD and so there are plenty of copies available for the purists to buy if they want. I'll ptobably wind up buying a set of the remastered series when it's released and still hold on to my original DVDs.
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on June 13, 2007, 05:30:19 AM
CJLP, I think you're being overly critical.
I don't think so... I'm generally not too critical of TV shows. I just don't like the concept of taking an old movie or TV episode and replacing original special effects with modern special effects. It does not match the footage of the era, that's why I think it looks incredibly fake. :blink
QuoteI have seen several of the episodes and I think they have done a fair job in trying to keep the look and feel of the 1960s show.
I agree, but that is exactly what makes the effects look fake.
Star Trek is quite dated, so when you stick in special effects from today, they stick out horribly. Instead of looking cool, it just looks laughably lame.
QuoteCan you tell it's CGI?
Yes, it's extremely obvious.
QuoteI could say the same thing about Stargate.
Indeed you could. However,
Stargate is a production of the 1990's and 2000's. The CG effects match the practical effects, so I generally don't notice. However, I could tell them apart if I looked for it.
QuoteI really don't think that there is any harm in updating the episodes for HD viewing.
There isn't so long as the original unaltered episodes remain available to the public.
QuoteFor now TOS has been released twice on DVD and so there are plenty of copies available for the purists to buy if they want.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture only has the Director's Edition available on DVD, you cannot buy the Theatrical Edition on DVD. I fear the same may
eventually happen to the TV show. ::)
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard on June 13, 2007, 11:25:46 AM
Star Trek: The Motion Picture only has the Director's Edition available on DVD, you cannot buy the Theatrical Edition on DVD. I fear the same may eventually happen to the TV show. ::)
But why would anyone want the Theatrical version, when the Director's version IS what was intended to be on screen in the first place? While I agree that, generally speaking, I prefer the original versions, sometimes the redone one is much better, or at least equivalent to the original - i.e. both versions of Blade Runner.
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard
The CG model looks fantastic, but when it's moving as slow as it does, it looks incredibly fake.
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard
That would be a matter of opinion. :)
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Naturally, a starship would be quick and agile since there's no gravity nor atmosphere in space. In the 1960's, they had filmed models, so it makes sense for the ships to move slowly as that's the best they could do. Given today's special effects technology, we can now portray starships as we'd expect them to move.
Not every spaceship is a fighter-jet in space. The Enterprise should move more like a Star Destroyer than an X-Wing, whether it's being portrayed with state-of-the-art CGI or with 1960s technology.
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc PicardHaving a CG space ship move like a 1960's motion control model just... doesn't... work... It looks incredibly fake. :blink
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard
That would be a matter of opinion. :)
Quote from: Locutus on June 13, 2007, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard on June 13, 2007, 11:25:46 AMStar Trek: The Motion Picture only has the Director's Edition available on DVD, you cannot buy the Theatrical Edition on DVD. I fear the same may eventually happen to the TV show. ::)
But why would anyone want the Theatrical version, when the Director's version IS what was intended to be on screen in the first place?
I feel the original version of a movie should be preserved and available to the audience regardless of weather that was the intended final product or not. That's what was shown at the movie theater and available on VHS for quite some time. There are some people who prefer this version over the Director's Cut. I don't know any personally, but whenever you redit a movie and make some changes, there will always be a large group of people who prefer the original cut of the movie. Besides, is plenty of room for it on Disc 1.
QuoteWhile I agree that, generally speaking, I prefer the original versions, sometimes the redone one is much better, or at least equivalent to the original - i.e. both versions of Blade Runner.
It just seems easier on the audience to release the original and speciail edition versions of the movie on one DVD with the special features on a second disc. If you don't like the Special Edition version, go the the main menu and select Theatrical Edition. It really should be that simple. :)
Quote from: pickard on June 13, 2007, 01:50:39 PM
Not every spaceship is a fighter-jet in space. The Enterprise should move more like a Star Destroyer than an X-Wing, whether it's being portrayed with state-of-the-art CGI or with 1960s technology.
Space ships are not boats, they are not planes, thus they will not behave in the same manner! Not mad, just wanted that to get your attention. A
starship, like
Star Trek's
Enterprise, should be extremely maneuverable since space is a vacuum, there's
nothing out there to slow it down! Ships wouldn't have one side dip downward when turning either. That's an atmospheric maneuver. In space, the ship would simply turn. If you needed to turn around, you'd come to a stop, spin to the desired direction, then go.
The only reason why ships moved so dang slow in
Star Trek is because of special effects limitations. When we saw ships moving slowly in the movies, it was to present the audience a sense of scale, to show that this ship is
massive! The idea is that the ship is moving very fast, but it's sheer size makes it appear as if it's moving slowly.
Word of warning and some suggestions --- please go to the chat room or conversations or email or even PM's if you want to have back and forth exchanges like this. This isn't the best way to post here. Just state your views and move on. If you want to have a conversation, please take it elsewhere. Thanks.
I say let this thread continue, it's fun and some interesting points are being made. I for one enjoy a good debate and think as long as it's respectful, a lot of interesting comments come from the free exchange of ideas.
I for one like the remastered TOS espisodes for what they are, a new look at an old friend. I own all the TOS shows on DVD and will probably get these as well when they come out. Same goes for SW Ep.IV. I dig the S.E. but often I just want to see it as I did when I was 8 in the theater. I don't think there is any chance the original TOS will ever NOT be available, it's all over syndication and video/DVD, so the chances of never seeing it again in it's original form is nil. TMP is out there on Beta/VHS and can easily be seen by anyone wanting it. I do think the Directors Cut was done is such a subtle way as to not distyract the viewer out of the 1979 original look. As far as how a ship should look in space, let's start a new thread about that one!
Quote from: Rico on June 13, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
Word of warning and some suggestions --- please go to the chat room or conversations or email or even PM's if you want to have back and forth exchanges like this. This isn't the best way to post here. Just state your views and move on. If you want to have a conversation, please take it elsewhere. Thanks.
Rico,
I think I'm confused as to what your objection would be? I haven't seen or read anything that would require moderator warnings and the discussion has not gotten out of hand. Perhaps you could be more explicit about what is bugging you and why? Or at least look at your own feelings to see what is bringing about this reaction. I say this respectfully and as one who has run message boards for a very long time now.
Kevin
Quote from: Rico on June 13, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
Word of warning and some suggestions --- please go to the chat room or conversations or email or even PM's if you want to have back and forth exchanges like this. This isn't the best way to post here. Just state your views and move on. If you want to have a conversation, please take it elsewhere. Thanks.
What do you mean by, "This isn't the best way to post here?" Are you talking about my long winded posts? That's how long my posts usually are wether I am posting here or at another message board. If you feel I'm going off topic, I appologize. Can we not discuss other movie/TV remasterings in additional to
Star Trek? It aids in the discussion when we have other examples to compare to. As for wanting to have a conversation... uh... isn't that what a message board is for? :confused
Quote from: Bryancd on June 13, 2007, 07:31:19 PM
I for one like the remastered TOS espisodes for what they are, a new look at an old friend. I own all the TOS shows on DVD and will probably get these as well when they come out. Same goes for SW Ep.IV. I dig the S.E. but often I just want to see it as I did when I was 8 in the theater. I don't think there is any chance the original TOS will ever NOT be available, it's all over syndication and video/DVD, so the chances of never seeing it again in it's original form is nil.
What I would like to see is a future DVD release there you pop in a DVD, select the episode, select
Original Broadcast or
Special Edition, and then navigate that episode's menu or press
play. That way, you don't have people like me complaining about availability of the originals. It also allows those who like both versions of the episode to own both without having
six season sets. :blink
QuoteTMP is out there on Beta/VHS and can easily be seen by anyone wanting it.
What is Beta? :blink I know a lot of people that either don't have a VCR anymore or flat out refuse to buy a VHS cassette when they can buy the DVD, so that's not really a comfort. The theatrical version of the movie should be available on
DVD. I would seriously like to know why they did not include both versions of the movie on Disc 1 of the 2-Disc DVD release. :-\
QuoteI do think the Directors Cut was done is such a subtle way as to not distyract the viewer out of the 1979 original look.
I love the Director's Editon, and I love how the editted and new scenes look as though they could have been done in 1979 had they been given enough time. :biggrin
QuoteAs far as how a ship should look in space, let's start a new thread about that one!
OK! :biggrin
Quote from: Rico on June 13, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
Word of warning and some suggestions --- please go to the chat room or conversations or email or even PM's if you want to have back and forth exchanges like this. This isn't the best way to post here. Just state your views and move on. If you want to have a conversation, please take it elsewhere. Thanks.
It's your playground, Rico, but this doesn't make much sense to me. Isn't this a place for conversations? Again, we're all just visitors in your house, but these back and forth exchanges don't seem like they should be a problem.
Probably not the best place to do this, but let me explain further. This came up a few times in the past before some of you joined the forum. I added a Conversation section and a Chat Room for back and forth exchanges - like the type I am seeing here. When a thread becomes a point - counterpoint between two or just a few people it doesn't become very useful for everyone else. It's like just listening in to a phone conversation. So I encourage those types of "chats" to go to these other areas.
Probably my bigger problem is once again these types of threads end up following the "rabbit season" vs. "duck season" model. One person says it's "rabbit season" and the next says it's "duck season." Insert your own replacements such as I like such and such. Then another says, no that's wrong, I don't like such and such. Now that would almost be fine if it ended after one or two exchanges, but when it continues is when I start to feel it isn't going anywhere.
Anyway I hope that explains my points more clearly.
Well, since this is now out in the open...
Who's to say this type of thread isn't useful? I for one really enjoy the dynacism of a conversation like this and enjoy reading or partaking. It's up to me, if I don't like a thread, I don't read it, no big deal. A thread is an organic thing and should have some spark and a life of it's own. It's born, evloves, and always die's off once everyone has had their thoughts vetted. You can't limit an exchange of views to "ok, 2 point and then you are done." That's not how people interact.
It's you board Rico, but just because you don't like this kind of posting doesn't mean others don't or that it's somehow harmful to the community. On the contrary, I think it shows passion and heart. Don't kill that just because it makes you uncomfortable, embrace your dysfunctional family! :)
I've said all I wanted to say. Back to the Trek remastered topic please....
Quote from: Rico on June 14, 2007, 04:32:16 AM
Probably not the best place to do this, but let me explain further. This came up a few times in the past before some of you joined the forum. I added a Conversation section and a Chat Room for back and forth exchanges - like the type I am seeing here. When a thread becomes a point - counterpoint between two or just a few people it doesn't become very useful for everyone else. It's like just listening in to a phone conversation. So I encourage those types of "chats" to go to these other areas.
That's not a
chat, it's a message board discussion. :blink Seriously, this is how I post on message boards. :blink I will make sure that future long posts contain new content and don't get repetative, OK? :biggrin Now, back on topic... :spidey
Rico, do you like my suggestion of having both original broadcast and special edition episodes in the same DVD set? :biggrin
I do, but I think that a la Lucasfilm, the studios realize more money can be made by generating multiple editions because we end up buying them. For TOS, first we had very expensive 2 episodes per DVD set's. Then they come out with the three box, season per box set. Now we will see a 3 box remastered set, which like the suckers we are, we'll buy. As long as the market place supports multiple editions, they 'll keep figuring out new ways to re-issue it. We have TOS on DVD, nicely cleaned up and restored on 2 different DVD sets, I would count on anything beyond that in the future.
The 40 two-episode DVD's were from a time when TV on DVD was a new concept. Then The X Files came along and introduced the idea of season sets. Paramount realised they made a mistake and thus released the spin-off shows in the season set format. Then they rereleased Star Trek on in the season set format. I'm glad they did, because $10 for two episodes is too expensive. Buying an entire season for $50 is downright awesome!
If they do another release, it'll probably be HD-DVD, but a lot of movies and TV shows are being rereleased on this format, so you can't really blame Paramount Home Video. Personally, I won't be getting the HD-DVD's. The current DVD's we have today are fantastic. I think this HD-DVD thing is just a scam to get you to buy movies twice. ::) I'm waiting for a new format that's as different from DVD as DVD is from VHS. ;D
Some movies have both a theatrical edition and a special edition within one DVD release. Sometimes they're on one disc, but sometimes they're on separate discs in one case. The Abyss, all 4 Alien movies, and the first three Star Wars movies have this feature. 8)
I think it's a good possibility that the next TOS DVD release on some HD form will contain both the original versions and the remastered versions.
I'm actually one of the Trek nuts that bought all of TOS on the 2 episodes per DVD when they first came out. There is a tiny quality improvement for those since they didn't compress 4 episodes on to one DVD like they did with the box season sets.
Frankly, I see a time in the near future where no one will own any type of DVD's. It will become all video on demand. Wouldn't it be great to spend a small fee per month to be able to watch anything you want at any time? Like they are doing with some music services now.
I think people will always want the tangible. I think holding the DVD, with the art cover, with the bonus discs will have a place in the market for a long time. I think we will see downloadable vidoe content which can be purchased and stored by the purchaser. So instaed of DVD's, you have a hard drive of your show or movie that can be viewed on your home TV. Just like AppleTV working with iTunes to download and rent films, you can own them as well.
I know I certainly do Bryan. I have a LOT of DVD's. But I am a bit of a collector and pack rat by nature. However, I do think for people with limited space and or income, digital downloads might be a useful alternative. Have to see what scenarios the big players come up with.
Quote from: Rico on June 14, 2007, 11:07:24 AM
I think it's a good possibility that the next TOS DVD release on some HD form will contain both the original versions and the remastered versions.
That would be great. It would allow people to give away or sell their DVD season sets yet still be able to see the original broadcast episodes.
QuoteI'm actually one of the Trek nuts that bought all of TOS on the 2 episodes per DVD when they first came out.
You're not a Trek nut, you're just a guy with a job. I was a kid when they came out, so I couldn't afford them. :P
QuoteFrankly, I see a time in the near future where no one will own any type of DVD's. It will become all video on demand. Wouldn't it be great to spend a small fee per month to be able to watch anything you want at any time? Like they are doing with some music services now.
No, it would not be great. I will not pay for such a service. I have cable TV, but only because my dad is paying for it. When I move out on my own, my TV setup will be an LCD TV with a DVD player, and that's it. :P Besides, what if I want to watch a movie on my PC? What if I want to take a movie to my neighbor's house? What if I want to lend a movie to my sister who does
not have cable service? There are far too many limitations to video-on-demand. Now, the service does exist and is used by those who have cable or some kind of TV service. However, it'll never replace home video.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 14, 2007, 11:14:27 AM
I think people will always want the tangible. I think holding the DVD, with the art cover, with the bonus discs will have a place in the market for a long time.
Agreed. People like to have DVD's lined up on their shelves just as people like having shelves full of books. It's easy access.
QuoteI think we will see downloadable vidoe content which can be purchased and stored by the purchaser. So instaed of DVD's, you have a hard drive of your show or movie that can be viewed on your home TV. Just like AppleTV working with iTunes to download and rent films, you can own them as well.
Fine by me so long as it can be burned to DVD. I don't want to have a harddrive full of video, because I want to be able to play it on my TV. In addition to that, what happens if your harddrive dies? There goes your video library! ::)
Yes, if you own the content, you will be able to transfer it to DVD.
That's good to know. :biggrin
What about those with dialup? :blink
I didn't even know people were still on dial up. :blink
I'd say your S.O.L. :ohwell
My mom along with several online friends use dial-up, because they can't afford cable. One of many reasons why home video will never be phased out. :blink
Yeah, they said the same about color TV. It will all eventually happen.
It will be wonderful when everyone can afford cable internet. :biggrin
Ya know, this thread is getting off topic, so I've started a new thread dedicated to the future of home video: click here (http://www.treksf.com/forums/index.php?topic=2468).
Well on the subject of remastered Star Trek I mostly don't care. There are maybe 20 of the original episodes that I am willing to watch. I am very plot oriented. I would rather read a good sci-fi book than watch an old boring Trek episode. Spock's Brain is the worst. LOL
If I am in the mood to watch one of the good episodes I am concentrating on the story not the effects. That is why I liked some Dr.Who's. It was so cheezy it was hilarious but they occasionally had good stories.
psik
I love Star Trek! I've Season 3 on DVD with plans to get Seasons 1 & 2 on DVD as soon as I can afford to do so. I also love all six movies and am looking forward to the upcoming prequel movie. :biggrin
Part of the reason why I do not enjoy Star Trek Remastered is because I'm seeing a lot of the episodes for the first time and love the special effects as they are. :biggrin They remind me that this is a wacky 1960's production and give me a nice retro feeling. :biggrin The new effects just leave me with a cold, bland feeling. :blink
QuoteThey remind me that this is a wacky 1960's production and give me a nice retro feeling.
Star Trek wasn't wacky in the 60's. :old_bash:
Kids just don't understand these things. :roflmao
psik
They did what they could with Trek as far as the look and production style in the 1960's due to the budget and level of technology available. One of the reasons I think the remastered effects are ok. Kind of shows you what it might of looked like if they had that type of tech to use for the show back then.
Yeah, maybe us old timers have a different perspective on the original shows and are so familiar with them that to see a different version is amusing and fun. Interesting to hear the comments of someone who never saw the originals until now and is watching the remastered versions. C. Picards reaction, if indicitive of other younger ST fans, makes me realize that remastering these shows was meant for the older audience and not to try and create a new younger audience, or so it might seem.
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard on June 12, 2007, 11:44:39 AM
I don't like the idea of altering the TV episodes to make them look uber-kewl for today's young TV audience who turns their nose up at the TV show because of bad special effects. Does CBS really think that's the only reason young people won't watch the show?
CJLP, In another topic, you stated that you preferred the new Godzilla film to the originals because you just couldn't get along with the old "man in a rubber suit" routine. How does this differ?
This is a screencap of the preview for "The Omega Glory". I'm sure that error isn't in the episode, but I just don't understand how someone intentionally flops footage. Having worked for a time in print, I know it's a rule that you never flop people, because people's faces aren't perfectly symmetrical, and then to do it on people in uniforms which are even more obviously asymmetrical is perplexing.
This seems to happen quiet often in promotional material. Really, don't the advertisers notice this? :blink
I haven't seen an entire remastered episode yet just the comparisons on YouTube. There are only about 20 original episodes that I am willing to watch. It doesn't matter that much to me so I would watch a remastered one but I would not watch it because it was remastered.
I am very plot oriented and I know all of the TOS episodes. The 60's are gone RIP.
I would rather watch B5 reruns.
Art is always a matter of opinion.
Having said that, I have to remark that I love TOS in both the original format as well as the remastered versions. The remastered look allows us to see ships that were not shown in the original series, such as the spy ship from Journey To Babel. It is a nice enhancement, does add to the stories somewhat - but if you love TOS, then you simply do, regardless of dated SFX.
Looking forward, STNG or other versions will also become dated in time. Will that effect the enjoyment we get from watching them?
Tim
Oh no, not another Tim!!
heh heh, welcome aboard TimothyPeterson. The name is Timothy Wetzel or "King" Linksr. As for Star Trek remastered, I would have to say that I kinda more prefer the restored versions, but Art is indeed a matter of opinion. You like it or you don't know.
King
Hey Tim Wetzel! Thanks for the reply.
The restored are certainly exceedingly cool. Especially if you are a tech geek ( like me ) who loves the ships and technology. Right now I'm building an AMT 22" Enterprise and have added electronics so it lights up, the running lights blink and the warp drive units spin. The remasters have given me ideas on subtley adding hull plating to give it that "real" look. I go to the "TrekCore" site and download the HD pics tovuse them as reference material. When I'm done I will upload pics to this website.
Have you noticed though that they cut out some of the dialogue to accomodate these additional effects? It's usually only a snippet here and there, but it is noticable. Of course they had to take into account formatting it for commercials and such, so that has a defined time limit. I wonder if the DVD version of the remastered cuts out this dialogue?
Does anyone know?
Tim
Tim,
The cuts are for time to air the shows in syndication. Just like was done back in the 70's. It has nothing to do with the new effects. Season one out on HD-DVD has no cuts. Just remastered episodes with the new effects put in. I enjoy these quite a bit. Kind of like a fresh coat of paint. I know the originals so well, it doesn't really bother me to have updated versions. Especially since I have the originals still on DVD as well. It's one way to renew some interest in the original series. And that's a good thing.
Do I like Star Trek Remastered?
Yes :)
When can we expect the release of TOS Season-2 on HD-DVD or : Blu-ray, HD download or ????
Yeah I wonder how this will work now that Paramount has gone BluRay?
We will most likely see them come out in BluRay and maybe iTunes will have them available in HD for rent or purchase.
Quote from: billybob476 on February 03, 2008, 06:04:07 AM
Yeah I wonder how this will work now that Paramount has gone BluRay?
When did paramount go BluRay? I haven't seen this or heard anything on it.
I'm here in England and as far as i know they have not been shown at all, which is a real shame because i've seen the screen shots and some bits on youtube (which obviously don't do it justice). Does anyone know if they will be shown in England, or if they will be shown on any of the sky channels?
Quote from: Just X on February 03, 2008, 07:54:11 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on February 03, 2008, 06:04:07 AM
Yeah I wonder how this will work now that Paramount has gone BluRay?
When did paramount go BluRay? I haven't seen this or heard anything on it.
Hasn't happened yet. In fact, they have said the remaining two season of TOS will come out in HD-DVD. It could show up on Blu-Ray at some point in the future, but that's undetermined at this time.
Look at it this way, if you have HD-DVD you will get movies at a discount price soon. Not such a bad deal...
Uh oh, looks like Toshiba were doing alot of work with Remastering TOS, hopefully the work will continue, but we might have to wait for the other seasons
http://www.trektoday.com/news/190208_02.shtml
Toshiba will stop promoting its HD-DVD format after losing support to Sony's Blu-ray technology.
As reported at TvshowsonDvd.com, the end of the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray war will probably mean the cancelation of the second remastered season of the original series.
"An inside source at Technicolor has informed us that a few weeks ago Toshiba cancelled the work they were doing on Star Trek Season 2. Toshiba had been the one paying for the re-mastering/encoding of Star Trek: TOS, which was part of their exclusive deal with Paramount."
Paramount is the only studio that is still uncommitted to Blu-ray. They are expected to react to today's Toshiba announcement soon, according to The Digital Bits.
According to Toshiba's press release, "[we have] undertaken a thorough review of [our] overall strategy for HD DVD and [have] decided [we] will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products."
VERY interesting but CBS has deep pockets so I doubt this will be much of a setback. COME ON TOS REMASTERED ON BLU-RAY!
Kevin