At one point, George Lucas had plans to follow up the Star Wars trilogy with a prequel trilogy and then a sequel trilogy, but I've been told by a friend (he's a huge fan) that George Lucas decided not to make the sequel trilogy. Still, they could always do a 7th movie with a fresh start. Do you think they'll ever make a 7th movie, or is this saga done and over with? :confused
As far as movies, the saga is over. George has repeated this many times.
Lucas definitely claimed between Star Wars and Empire that it was a trilogy of trilogies. He has since backed off that claim.
Will there be more movies? Of course. How long we'll have to wait is the question. For all we know, the next SW film could be a reimagining 40 years from now with some new kid playing Luke, and an ancient Ashton Kutcher playing Ben Kenobi. :)
Look at all the crap movies Hollywood makes out of ancient, mildly successful TV series. Even if GL is against it now, at some point, he or his heirs won't be able to resist the money.
I don't think there will ever be a seventh movie.. but I do believe they will make more Star Wars films.
For some reason, my post vanished. :confused
Quote from: pickard on June 09, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
Lucas definitely claimed between Star Wars and Empire that it was a trilogy of trilogies. He has since backed off that claim.
I wonder why? :confused
QuoteWill there be more movies? Of course. How long we'll have to wait is the question. For all we know, the next SW film could be a reimagining 40 years from now with some new kid playing Luke, and an ancient Ashton Kutcher playing Ben Kenobi. :)
A remake of the original movie would technically be a 7th movie, but when I ask if there will be a 7th movie, I mean in the form of a continuation. A 7th movie could take place after
Return of the Jedi and feature the rebellion rising and finishing off the Imperial Empire now that the Emperor and Darth Vader are gone.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on June 09, 2007, 02:54:46 PM
I don't think there will ever be a seventh movie.. but I do believe they will make more Star Wars films.
You don't think there will be a seventh movie, but you believe there will be a seventh movie. Um... what? :confused
Why would Lucas back off his plan to make 9 movies? I don't think he wants to make them.
I don't think it's likely that we'll see Mark Hamill playing Luke fighting remnants of the Empire. I think we'll see a new Star Wars movie in the next 20 years. It won't be a remake, but will be set in some other era, either a "next generation" or a tale of the Jedi/Sith struggles from earlier in the story.
He could always let someone else make a trilogy that picks up where Return of the Jedi left off.
They don't have to bring Mark Hamill back as Luke Skywalker. They can hire a new actor to play the character, feature a son or daughter, or introduce an entirely new character and simply have references to Luke Skywalker. They could establish him as a ship captain thus explaining why he's not with the film's central characters.
Since there is a two-decade gap between the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy, they could leap another two decades into the future and start fresh.
Quote from: pickard on June 09, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
Lucas definitely claimed between Star Wars and Empire that it was a trilogy of trilogies. He has since backed off that claim.
Will there be more movies? Of course. How long we'll have to wait is the question. For all we know, the next SW film could be a reimagining 40 years from now with some new kid playing Luke, and an ancient Ashton Kutcher playing Ben Kenobi. :)
Look at all the crap movies Hollywood makes out of ancient, mildly successful TV series. Even if GL is against it now, at some point, he or his heirs won't be able to resist the money.
Actually, George Lucas first announced his idea of three trilogies when the first movie came out in the classic interview he did for "Rolling Stone" magazine. In the interview he described a rough outline of what each trilogy would be about. He even said in the article that the "prequels" at that time would be about Vader, Luke's father and Obi-Wan. At that time Vader and Luke's father were not the same person. Later on of course he changed this idea.
As far as a direct follow up type film to the original trilogy, I think that is very unlikely at this point. He is working on the animated series and the live action TV series for the next several years. I could possibly see another feature film some day about some other era in the Star Wars universe, but not one involving the characters we know.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on June 09, 2007, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on June 09, 2007, 02:54:46 PM
I don't think there will ever be a seventh movie.. but I do believe they will make more Star Wars films.
You don't think there will be a seventh movie, but you believe there will be a seventh movie. Um... what? :confused
You asked if there will be a seventh movie...and I say no. I don't think they will ever make a continuation of the current Star Wars story. BUT!!! I do think we will see future Star Wars movies. Star Wars is a big universe.
I personally don't care if there is another installment but I would like to see more films in the Star Wars universe. A new trilogy would be a fine start! :trooper
Kevin
Why does it have to be a new trilogy? I'm so burned out on trilogies. Just make a stand-alone movie!
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard on June 09, 2007, 06:31:47 PM
Why does it have to be a new trilogy? I'm so burned out on trilogies. Just make a stand-alone movie!
Because the scope of what Star Wars is I don't feel can be told in a single movie. So you're burned out on trilogies! If they start a new trilogy don't watch it then! That's what I say! :starwars:
Kevin
The scope of Star Wars can be told in one movie. It only became a trilogy, because the original was a big success. Anyway, being burned out on trilogies doesn't mean I won't go see a new movie should it be made. ::) I'm just saying I would prefer it to be a stand-alone movie like the original movie was. :)
I don't believe it can be told in obe movie. The nature of Star Wars is "epic" and even though "A New Hope" could have been viewed without there ever being another film, yet Lucas always had more than one film in mind. Besides I like Star Wars enough that I'll go see anything Lucas wants to film as long as it's at least along the quality of the first six films.
Kevin
I guess what I am trying to say is... I don't want a 7th movieto end on a cliffhanger. If it does, I will wait for the 8th movie to come out, then watch the 7th on video and see the 8th at the theater. :taz
I don't care if a film has a cliffhanger as long as I know that a sequel is coming to resolve it. The only complaint I would have about the SW series is that it took too long between films. Especially the first three. Ten years is a long time and by the last one Hammil had aged something awful! I think Peter Jackson took the right approach in filming all three LOTR at the same time. More films should do that. I wish that Warner Brothers would film the last two Harry Potter films at the same time as those kids are no longer looking like kids.
Kevin
I care if the film has a cliffhanger, because I may not necessarily want to see the next installment. I don't want to commit to a film series. I want to watch the movies I like and skip the ones I dislike.
I don't think it took too long between movies. There were three years between each film of the original trilogy. Considering most sequels that get greenlit immediately often take 2-3 years, I don't see what the problem is. When George Lucas finally got around to his prequel trilogy, it was again the same thing: three years between movies.
Quote from: Ktrek on June 09, 2007, 09:08:32 PM
I think Peter Jackson took the right approach in filming all three LOTR at the same time. More films should do that.
Ew, I'll pass. I hated that
The Lord of the Rings were one, 12-hour story. I also didn't like that
Pirates of the Caribbean 2 & 3 are effectively a 5-hour story. Really, I prefer independent sequels that don't require you to watch the other movies in the series. That's why I love
Star Wars, each movie stands on it's own. :)
Quote from: pickard on June 09, 2007, 02:43:08 PM
For all we know, the next SW film could be a reimagining 40 years from now with some new kid playing Luke, and an ancient Ashton Kutcher playing Ben Kenobi. :)
"Not too long ago, in a galaxy fart, fart away..."
I'm sorry but star wars just gets old after a while in my opinion. It almost Always comes down to a huge fight with some star base or whatever and they have to sabotage it and then destroy it with a fleet. OR they have to kill some crazy sith lord or some totally evil guy. The revenge of the sith in my opinion wasn't very good. Now I know everyone is going to come after me now and claim how good that movie was but in my opinion IT SLURPED
No one's going to come after you Q.
Pity? Look down upon? Ignore? Sure, those all sound reasonable.
You're entitled to your opinion. (Your are omnipotent, after all.) Even if it's dreadfully wrong. :)
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard on June 09, 2007, 07:51:20 PM
I guess what I am trying to say is... I don't want a 7th movieto end on a cliffhanger. If it does, I will wait for the 8th movie to come out, then watch the 7th on video and see the 8th at the theater. :taz
I'm sorry. You lost me after the part about not seeing a Star Wars movie in the theater.
Then again, you'd have lost me if you suggested not taking the day off to stand in line to see it on opening day.
Quote from: Ktrek on June 09, 2007, 06:43:44 PM
Because the scope of what Star Wars is I don't feel can be told in a single movie. So you're burned out on trilogies! If they start a new trilogy don't watch it then! That's what I say! :starwars:
Kevin
I disagree. A great Star Wars story could be told (and fully resolved) in two hours.
There's no reason that it has to be a trilogy. (Though I'd be up for 6 more hours of Jedi kicking butt on the big screen.) Lucas chose a particular format to tell those stories. That doesn't mean a different format wouldn't work.
That first SW movie would have been just as great if we'd never seen any more of the story. The world seemed pretty jazzed about the whole thing in the Summer of 77 and there was no assurance that we'd get anymore then.
There have been things lacking in both Star Wars and Star Trek. Since the subject is Star Wars, I'll chime in on that. The problem with Episodes 1, 2 & 3 have been lack of a good script. Yes, George Lucas is great at visual dynamics (he initially rewrote the book on the subject), but not dialogue. He had all these strong actors speaking lines fit only for a second rate comic book. I find many incongruities with these movies, especially the fact that here's this kid building a protocol droid. What reason would a child want or need such a thing -- even if they were gifted enough to have such an ability. Wouldn't he want one that would do the chores or something? The design of C3PO seems to be tied to the Empire. Why would Anakin want that? It would have made more sense for C3PO to have been a part of Padme's entourage. After all, she would certainly have a need for a protocol droid.
Also, the pod race seemed so out of place. It did nothing to further the story along. Actually, the story seemed to stop at that point. Yes, I know that the race was there to free Anakin, but there could have been a more efficient way to deal with that. The fact that he gains his freedom based on a bet seems a questionable message for children.
For a series named "Star Wars", fight scenes are inevitable. However, the way they get built up to seems too contrived and inconsequential. The story construction seems more like a Monster Mad Lib than a finely crafted story arc.
Lucas was on the right track with "The Empire Strikes Back". He had Lawrence Kasdan on board, who has a great sense of story and is the reason that "Raiders Of The Lost Ark" is the best of those movies. It is so unfortunate that the series went back to the paint by numbers approach. The whole Ewok thing baffles me when I stop viewing it as an insert for merchandising.
The latest crop of movies have been good popcorn movies, but you really have to make too many allowances and shut down the brain too much when viewing them. I agree with pickard, a great SW story can not only be told in two hours, but great mythology could have been created. As it stands, they stand as a group of nominally good Hollywood movies.
I don't mean to come off so negative. I was really hoping that the series would get stronger as they went along.
How is 3P0's design tied to the Empire? It didn't exist for another decade or two? Protocol droids seemed ubiquitous throughout the movies. The Neimodians had one in that movie also. Bespin had them. The Rebels had a few on Hoth.
Regardless, I assumed that little Ani made a droid out of the parts he could get from working with Watto. If he had astromech parts, he'd have constructed R5-D4.
Why couldn't 3PO have helped with chores?
Lots of legitimate gripes about the Phantom Menace, but I don't agree with that one.
However, I understand people having a problem with the cosmic coincidence of Darth Vader building 3PO. (Though I don't have a problem with Vader not recognizing 3PO on Bespin.)
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Has anyone ever admitted that the switch to Ewoks from Wookies was made to sell more toys (as if this was a problem for Star Wars)? Or is that just fan speculation that has been repeated so often that it has becomes "Internet fact".
I would like to see them do some movies of course about Mara Jade and the expanded universe from the novels. That would be wonderful to see.
Quote from: pickard on June 10, 2007, 12:28:36 PM
How is 3P0's design tied to the Empire? It didn't exist for another decade or two? Protocol droids seemed ubiquitous throughout the movies. The Neimodians had one in that movie also. Bespin had them. The Rebels had a few on Hoth.
Regardless, I assumed that little Ani made a droid out of the parts he could get from working with Watto. If he had astromech parts, he'd have constructed R5-D4.
I guess he could have cobbled C3PO together from spare parts, but it still seems to me a conceit. He's too well put together (perhaps a few discolored parts here and there). The programming that would be involved would also be well beyond Anakin. Then again, one could say that there's a programming machine that does it all with pre-programmed wizards (no pun intended).
It's been a while since I've seen the movies. My memory of protocol droids is on Empire ships and in cities.
Quote from: pickard on June 10, 2007, 12:28:36 PM
Why couldn't 3PO have helped with chores?
He seems a little effete. Guess he could do the vacuuming and dusting.
Quote from: pickard on June 10, 2007, 12:28:36 PM
Has anyone ever admitted that the switch to Ewoks from Wookies was made to sell more toys (as if this was a problem for Star Wars)? Or is that just fan speculation that has been repeated so often that it has becomes "Internet fact".
Not that I know of. I'm sure it's mostly a sense people get. I walked away from that movie thinking, "insert cutesy creatures here for small child appeal". For me, it was an impression. I could have believed in them had they shown a ferocious streak or exhibited a bit more intelligence.
Quote from: Darmok on June 10, 2007, 02:37:17 PM
I guess he could have cobbled C3PO together from spare parts, but it still seems to me a conceit. He's too well put together (perhaps a few discolored parts here and there).
He was completely missing his outer shell.
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The programming that would be involved would also be well beyond Anakin. Then again, one could say that there's a programming machine that does it all with pre-programmed wizards (no pun intended).
Agreed on both counts. The programming would be beyond him, but there very well may be some plug-and-play droid control modules in the SW universe.
"wizard". LOL.
This is priceless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6lzEhoXads
Quote from: Yeoman Mara on June 10, 2007, 12:51:08 PM
I would like to see them do some movies of course about Mara Jade and the expanded universe from the novels. That would be wonderful to see.
Yes, I agree with Mara. It would be nice to see Lucas expand upon some EU characters and Mara Jade would be an interesting character to start with.
The chapter on the Skywalkers was closed. George said so himselfâ€"he's done with that particular saga, but not the universe. I don't have to remind anyone that there's a cartoon and a live action show in the works. A new film may follow the live action show at some point in the distant future.
The fans won't be satisfied with a single, stand alone movie....besides Star Wars is huge universe. It contains a vast plethora of stories just waiting to be expounded on. Many of those stories were written by very good writers. I think the best of those stories deserve to be captured in film.
I don't expect to see Lucas himself make any more Star Wars movies, and agree with Jen that the book on the Skywalker story is closed from a Lucas prospective. Over the years, Luke and friends adventures have been chronicled a lot in the EU, If Lucas was planning on doing more movies with that group, he would have left himself some space for it in that time frame, but from what I can tell, they never have. I could not see Lucas telling someone Else's story from the exisitng EU books, and the amount of care they have taken with the Continuity in the EU books leads me to believe they would not throw it all away for another Luke Skywalker adventure.
I think that they could probably do Standalone movies focussing on Different characters in the universe (Bounty Hunters, smugglers, other Jedi) with different directors, and they could be popular. Also I could see where the movie companies and fans might want to see another trilogy. I think that any idea of another movie or set of movies is probably a ways off, given that Lucasfilm is focussing on the Live Action TV series. As well Lucas did say in the past, that he felt big budget movies were a dieing breed to his eyes, so I could see where he might not be interest in financing or participating in anymore after the last Indy movie.
Quote from: Captain Jean-Luc Picard on June 09, 2007, 09:55:38 PM
I care if the film has a cliffhanger, because I may not necessarily want to see the next installment. I don't want to commit to a film series. I want to watch the movies I like and skip the ones I dislike.
I hated that The Lord of the Rings were one, 12-hour story. I also didn't like that Pirates of the Caribbean 2 & 3 are effectively a 5-hour story. Really, I prefer independent sequels that don't require you to watch the other movies in the series. That's why I love Star Wars, each movie stands on it's own. :)
How would you know you disliked the movie until you saw it?
And how are the Star Wars movies all stand-alone? That makes no sense. Each one, with the exception of "Star Wars" (I refuse to call it 'A New Hope') builds on the previous one.
Finally, there is absolutely no way to tell The Lord of the Rings in 2, 3, or even 5 hours. While an argument could be made that it was mildly self-indulgent for theater-goers, I prefer the extended versions, because it's not always about what is blowing up next, ala Star Wars, it's the quiet character moments that make the movie(s) something beyond special for me.
While not preferring sequels or trilogies is perfectly acceptable (I'm trying to say I have no personal enmity one way or the other on this subject), I personally prefer epics, and if they need 2, 3, or 10 movies to do the subject matter justice, I'll be sitting there in the theater, with my pretzel, and popcorn, and Twizlers, and wheelbarrow full of Sprite to delve into the film maker's vision, hoping that the Law of Diminishing Returns does not apply to this chapter.
Boy, I'm with you Locutus, LOTR was the finest film series ever, and I am an original, there in '77 Star Wars fan. I couldn't disagree more with that post. POTC is pathetic and not even worthy of mention in this thread.
Quote from: Locutus on June 11, 2007, 04:38:45 PM
How would you know you disliked the movie until you saw it?
Easy. I look the movie up online and see if the
premise is interesting to me. I guess I should'a done that with the POTC sequels. I'm just used to sequels being
good.
QuoteAnd how are the Star Wars movies all stand-alone? That makes no sense. Each one, with the exception of "Star Wars" (I refuse to call it 'A New Hope') builds on the previous one.
Stand-alone means the movie stands on it's own, it may follow previous movies, but you are not required to have seen them to understand the current movie.
A New HopeSequels were not guaranteed when this movie was being made. I suspect that is why the Death Star was destroyed in the climax. You can watch this movie and have a complete story without having see any other movie in the series.
The Empire Strikes BackIt helps to have seen the first movie, but it's not
required. This movie stands on it's own in that you aren't
required to have seen the original movie to understand this one. The main plot is resolved accept for Han Solo's capture, but that is largely there to get the audience to see the next movie. You could just as easilly watch this one movie and have a complete story.
Return of the JediAgain, this movie does not require you to have seen the previous two movies. Since it's the end of the saga, you don't have to worry about a cliffhanger ending. This movie serves as the conclussion to the saga, but it also works as a stand-alone movie for those who have not seen the rest of the series.
The Phantom MenaceThe very nature of this movie being a prequel means you don't have to have seen the original trilogy. It easilly stands on it's own and has a nice conclussion.
Attack of the ClonesI don't remember this one too well, but I do remember that the I hadn't seen the first prequel in a long time when I saw this, yet the story was easy to follow. The main plot ended while leaving the door open for the saga to continue since it's a prequel and all.
Revenge of the SithIt helps to have seen the previous prequels, but again, this one doesn't require you to have seen previous movies. However, this is the one movie that ends on a
major cliffhanger, but that's because it has to end badly for it to lead into the original trilogy. It was kind of expected.
QuoteFinally, there is absolutely no way to tell The Lord of the Rings in 2, 3, or even 5 hours.
Each movie is 4-5 hours long, so... they have told
The Lord of the Rings in 5 hours. Personally, I would have prefered a six-movie saga like
Star Wars instead of three 4-hour movies. ::)
QuoteWhile an argument could be made that it was mildly self-indulgent for theater-goers, I prefer the extended versions, because it's not always about what is blowing up next, ala Star Wars, it's the quiet character moments that make the movie(s) something beyond special for me.
I prefer a balanced mix of action and drama as well. However, I also prefer a movie to
end after 2-3 hours. Key word:
end. When a movie ends with a cliffhanger, I generally don't bother with the sequel nor have a second viewing of the movie that ended with a cliffhanger. Did I mention I hate cliffhangers? Why on Earth is it so hard for people to write an
ENDING?! :taz
QuoteWhile not preferring sequels or trilogies is perfectly acceptable (I'm trying to say I have no personal enmity one way or the other on this subject), I personally prefer epics, and if they need 2, 3, or 10 movies to do the subject matter justice, I'll be sitting there in the theater, with my pretzel, and popcorn, and Twizlers, and wheelbarrow full of Sprite to delve into the film maker's vision, hoping that the Law of Diminishing Returns does not apply to this chapter.
I say the film makers should make as many sequels as they want. However, each movie should stand on it's own so the viewer does not have to dedicate his time to the entire series if he does not want to. Also, what happens if he likes the first two movies, but thinks the third one is crap? Since it's one big story, you've not only ruined his fun for the third movie, but for the first two movies as well.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 11, 2007, 05:12:45 PM
POTC is pathetic and not even worthy of mention in this thread.
I would say bloated, not pathetic. Squidman's story should have ended in the 2nd movie so the 3rd movie could focus entirely on the pirates' war against the East Indian Trading Company. :)
Like I say many times in a variety of threads, it's best to state your own views and move on. You will probably not be able to change another persons viewpoint. This point and counterpoint format doesn't really get you anywhere.
I would also try and go back to the main idea of this thread which was about another Star Wars film. I still think it will be a long, long time (if ever) before we see another film.
Quote from: Rico on June 12, 2007, 04:27:30 AM
Like I say many times in a variety of threads, it's best to state your own views and move on. You will probably not be able to change another persons viewpoint. This point and counterpoint format doesn't really get you anywhere.
First off, I don't state my views and move on. I stick around and have a discussion. Second, I'm not trying to change anyone's views.. ::) Third, this is a forum, so point and counterpoint format discussions are bount to happen. It's not about getting anywhere, it's about the sharing of ideas, opinions, facts, and so on.
QuoteI would also try and go back to the main idea of this thread which was about another Star Wars film. I still think it will be a long, long time (if ever) before we see another film.
You're right, we have gone off topic. I'm sorry if I contributed to that.
I agree, it will probably be a long time before we see a 7th movie, just like it was a long time before we saw a 4th movie. :blink