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Title: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 05, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
We got our first real rumor about a possible director for E7, and that is Matthew Vaughn (Kick-Ass, Stardust, Layer Cake, X-Men First Class). The rumor is that he was offered the gig and that is the main reason he dropped out of directing "X-Men: Days of Future Past", which is fine since we now have Bryan Singer returning to that universe.

http://collider.com/star-wars-episode-7-matthew-vaughn/208715/#more-208715 (http://collider.com/star-wars-episode-7-matthew-vaughn/208715/#more-208715)

So what do we think we are going to see 2.5 yrs from now?

1) I think the most likely scenario is the one that Mark Hammill talked about, with Luke being the "Obi-Wan" character for a new young Jedi.

2) Something much farther removed from ROTJ, possible 100 yrs or so, in the same time-frame as the "Legacy" comics. Allows for something completely new.

3) Something adapted from an EU story? Unlikely, I know, but the Thrawn trilogy is well loved. In my opinion it's pretty unlikely. I think it's also pretty unlikely that Harry Ford will show up. He has expressed disdain for the Han character and wanted him killed off in ROTJ.

Also, I was thinking that there could be standalone movies that are "separate" from the trilogies (that  :fettrotj movie that Joe Johnston wants to make) or something in the pre-Epiosde 4 days.

There's nothing more fun than speculating when you have no information!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 05, 2012, 02:59:05 PM
In response to your three bullet point:

1. Yes, I think it is very likely we see Hammil portray Luke as an older Jedi using his current age.
2. No, make it 30 years removed from Jedi so the OT characters like Luke, Leia, Lando, the droids, Chewie, ect...
3. NOTHING will be EU based, that much is becoming VERY clear from the press releases. Now, Harrison is a big fat no way UNLESS.....they get Spielberg to direct.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Rico on November 05, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
I actually think they will pull some bits and pieces from the EU.  Much of what happens in the EU is a pretty logical extension of things - Luke becomes the Master Jedi for a new group to be trained in the ways of the force, the New Republic is formed, Han & Leia get married - have kids, etc.  Since this is Episode 7 I don't think they really can set it in the far flung future.  I expect to at least see Mark Hamill back - maybe Carrie too.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 05, 2012, 03:10:10 PM
Quote from: Rico on November 05, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
I actually think they will pull some bits and pieces from the EU.  Much of what happens in the EU is a pretty logical extension of things - Luke becomes the Master Jedi for a new group to be trained in the ways of the force, the New Republic is formed, Han & Leia get married - have kids, etc.  Since this is Episode 7 I don't think they really can set it in the far flung future.  I expect to at least see Mark Hamill back - maybe Carrie too.
Yes, they will likely use the Clone Wars model of taking from the EU some things molded to fit their purpose. It's gonna be weird to have 20 years off books sort of become meaningless...
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 05, 2012, 03:28:50 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on November 05, 2012, 03:10:10 PM
Quote from: Rico on November 05, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
I actually think they will pull some bits and pieces from the EU.  Much of what happens in the EU is a pretty logical extension of things - Luke becomes the Master Jedi for a new group to be trained in the ways of the force, the New Republic is formed, Han & Leia get married - have kids, etc.  Since this is Episode 7 I don't think they really can set it in the far flung future.  I expect to at least see Mark Hamill back - maybe Carrie too.
Yes, they will likely use the Clone Wars model of taking from the EU some things molded to fit their purpose. It's gonna be weird to have 20 years off books sort of become meaningless...

x3, I was referring to actually adapting entire novel series for the screen. And I don't think it negates the joy of reading those EU books at least for me. I never had a compelling need for them to be canon.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 05, 2012, 03:34:13 PM
I guess not....but to me they were since Episode 7 seemed like a crazy pipe dream. I also wonder what will happen to that live-action series hat was supposed to be more 'adult' oriented.

I wonder if we are going Sith again for baddies. I was never a fan of the Yuuzan Vong, and I'm not sure if a billion Sith with red lightsabers is compelling either. (as if I won't be squealing with joy as a thousand lightsabered dudes fight)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 05, 2012, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on November 05, 2012, 03:34:13 PM
I guess not....but to me they were since Episode 7 seemed like a crazy pipe dream. I also wonder what will happen to that live-action series hat was supposed to be more 'adult' oriented.

I wonder if we are going Sith again for baddies. I was never a fan of the Yuuzan Vong, and I'm not sure if a billion Sith with red lightsabers is compelling either. (as if I won't be squealing with joy as a thousand lightsabered dudes fight)

Your young and never saw that opening crawl in theater that said nothing but STAR WARS. :) The EU when it came about in the mid to late '90's was a fun romp and kept the fan base energized, no doubt. But they weren't GL's stories and often got close but never were perfectly on the mark for me. In regards to the live action show, dollars to donuts that will take a back seat to these films. Detours and the new Clone Wars era cartoon screened at CVI should be perfect for the Disney channel. And CLONE WARS will likely wrap next season anyway on Cartoon Network. I think it would be tought o have a feature STAR WARS film that doesn't have lightsaber fights, so Sith or something very similar is likely. :)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 05, 2012, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on November 05, 2012, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on November 05, 2012, 03:34:13 PM
I guess not....but to me they were since Episode 7 seemed like a crazy pipe dream. I also wonder what will happen to that live-action series hat was supposed to be more 'adult' oriented.

I wonder if we are going Sith again for baddies. I was never a fan of the Yuuzan Vong, and I'm not sure if a billion Sith with red lightsabers is compelling either. (as if I won't be squealing with joy as a thousand lightsabered dudes fight)

Your young and never saw that opening crawl in theater that said nothing but STAR WARS. :) The EU when it came about in the mid to late '90's was a fun romp and kept the fan base energized, no doubt. But they weren't GL's stories and often got close but never were perfectly on the mark for me. In regards to the live action show, dollars to donuts that will take a back seat to these films. Detours and the new Clone Wars era cartoon screened at CVI should be perfect for the Disney channel. And CLONE WARS will likely wrap next season anyway on Cartoon Network. I think it would be tought o have a feature STAR WARS film that doesn't have lightsaber fights, so Sith or something very similar is likely. :)
You are incorrect, sir! I am plenty old enough to have seen Star Wars in a DRIVE IN no less!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 05, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
Good grief, what were you, 2?! That doesn't count! ;)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 05, 2012, 04:02:44 PM
I was 4, it was 1978, since movies were shown in theaters for a long time back then, and took a while to get to smaller towns like mine....and I remember it very clearly! It was a double feature with Grease. Luckily for me Grease was second. I was bundled up in the back of the wagon with footy pajamas and blankets...it blew my mind, and shortly thereafter I had every toy available! I became obsessed instantly! It's one of my formative memories, actually.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Rico on November 05, 2012, 04:24:40 PM
Ahh, the days of watching Star Wars in a drive-in and recording the audio off the terrible mono speaker in the car on to my little cassette recorder.  Man, those were good times!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 05, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Hold me...

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/05/star-wars-sequel-harrison-ford-han-solo-exclusive/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/05/star-wars-sequel-harrison-ford-han-solo-exclusive/)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bromptonboy on November 06, 2012, 03:08:49 AM
Han agreed first?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 06, 2012, 03:42:04 AM
And the hits just keep on coming. Two weeks ago I would have said you're crazy if you told me this was gonna happen.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Rico on November 06, 2012, 04:38:20 AM
Ford has never said never as far as I know.  He always just makes the wise comment that he is "open to the idea" for most things.  I'm sure he wants to just see a script first before deciding.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 06, 2012, 04:51:44 AM
Quote from: Rico on November 06, 2012, 04:38:20 AM
Ford has never said never as far as I know.  He always just makes the wise comment that he is "open to the idea" for most things.  I'm sure he wants to just see a script first before deciding.

It just has always seemed he never liked the character of Han, at least as he expressed in interviews.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: moyer777 on November 06, 2012, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: Bromptonboy on November 06, 2012, 03:08:49 AM
Han agreed first?
bwahahahahaha!  LOL!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Jobydrone on November 06, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on November 06, 2012, 04:51:44 AM
Quote from: Rico on November 06, 2012, 04:38:20 AM
Ford has never said never as far as I know.  He always just makes the wise comment that he is "open to the idea" for most things.  I'm sure he wants to just see a script first before deciding.

It just has always seemed he never liked the character of Han, at least as he expressed in interviews.
I was pretty dismayed of the tone in that article you linked, and to hear this.  This role made his carreer, and is so beloved, why poop on it? 
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 06, 2012, 02:55:32 PM
He just didn't connect with the character and doesn't "get" why the movies are popular. It's probably more confusion than anything.

On a side note, this guy is funny, but how many Star Wars "fans" do you think are like this comedian, completely bitter about it:

Brian Posehn: "Star Wars" Was My Vietnam! - CONAN on TBS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_9eeipFptQ#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: jedijeff on November 06, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
it would be great if they can get Harrison Ford to agree to the movie. If Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were coming back, would not feel the same without Han. Maybe after doing Indy a few years back, maybe his feelings on Star Wars changed. I felt as well that skit he did a year or so ago with Chewie was bit of a message he had not completely divorced himself from Star Wars.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: wraith1701 on November 07, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: jedijeff on November 06, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
it would be great if they can get Harrison Ford to agree to the movie. If Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were coming back, would not feel the same without Han. Maybe after doing Indy a few years back, maybe his feelings on Star Wars changed. I felt as well that skit he did a year or so ago with Chewie was bit of a message he had not completely divorced himself from Star Wars.

Skit with Chewie?!?!  I gotta look that up.  :)



Re. Ep VII speculation:

I feel fairly confident that all three of the big dogs will appear in the film, at least as cameos.  Hamill and Fisher always struck me as having firmly embraced their connection to the films, and I imagine Ford would be up for it if the script called for ending his character.  He wanted to get Star Wars closure by having Han killed in Jedi; maybe the new film can finally give him what he was looking for. 

As mentioned before, I imagine Ep. VII will take place around 30 years after Jedi to make allowances for age, as well as to introduce the audience to a young new generation of heroes to root for.  I bet elements of the EU will be pulled:  Leia & Han's kids (Anakin, Jaina, and Jacen), but I doubt that they'll try to do a screen adaptation of existing books.  That's actually a good thing:  I'd kind of like to see something NEW.  It wouldn't be as exciting to go see a film when I've already read the book version of it.  There wouldn't be much room for surprises.

What has me scratching my head is the question, WHO WILL BE THE VILLAIN?  Vader left some HUGE boots to fill.  Same with the Emperor. Admiral Thrawn was a great character, but not great enough to carry a new trilogy.   The Vong have been the most potent 'new' enemy in the Star Wars EU.  If the baddie isn't them, I have no clue what it will be.  I look forward to finding out.  :)


Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Dangelus on November 07, 2012, 10:34:49 AM
Whichever direction they take we are finally in exciting times! :)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Jobydrone on November 07, 2012, 10:57:55 AM
My guess is a new Sith Lord for a villian, which necessitates an earlier call to duty for some Jedi-in-training at the new Jedi school run by Luke and Leia (who's since become a force adept since we last left her).  I don't think they'll stray too far from formula with these films, and we'll certainly see Luke in action near the end of Ep 7, probably culminating in his own death a-la Obi-wan in Ep. 4.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 07, 2012, 11:10:50 AM
And Han dies. Harrison has been trying to kill him off since 1983.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: jedijeff on November 07, 2012, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: wraith1701 on November 07, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: jedijeff on November 06, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
it would be great if they can get Harrison Ford to agree to the movie. If Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were coming back, would not feel the same without Han. Maybe after doing Indy a few years back, maybe his feelings on Star Wars changed. I felt as well that skit he did a year or so ago with Chewie was bit of a message he had not completely divorced himself from Star Wars.

Skit with Chewie?!?!  I gotta look that up.  :)



Re. Ep VII speculation:

I feel fairly confident that all three of the big dogs will appear in the film, at least as cameos.  Hamill and Fisher always struck me as having firmly embraced their connection to the films, and I imagine Ford would be up for it if the script called for ending his character.  He wanted to get Star Wars closure by having Han killed in Jedi; maybe the new film can finally give him what he was looking for. 

As mentioned before, I imagine Ep. VII will take place around 30 years after Jedi to make allowances for age, as well as to introduce the audience to a young new generation of heroes to root for.  I bet elements of the EU will be pulled:  Leia & Han's kids (Anakin, Jaina, and Jacen), but I doubt that they'll try to do a screen adaptation of existing books.  That's actually a good thing:  I'd kind of like to see something NEW.  It wouldn't be as exciting to go see a film when I've already read the book version of it.  There wouldn't be much room for surprises.

What has me scratching my head is the question, WHO WILL BE THE VILLAIN?  Vader left some HUGE boots to fill.  Same with the Emperor. Admiral Thrawn was a great character, but not great enough to carry a new trilogy.   The Vong have been the most potent 'new' enemy in the Star Wars EU.  If the baddie isn't them, I have no clue what it will be.  I look forward to finding out.  :)




This was the Video

Harrison Ford Settles a Feud (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWTtMdXAazs#ws)

I tend to think Like Joby, it will be a new Sith Lord that will be the Bad Guy.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Dangelus on November 07, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on November 07, 2012, 11:10:50 AM
And Han dies. Harrison has been trying to kill him off since 1983.

I hope they have the sense of humour to have him killed by a "Greedo" alien :)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: wraith1701 on November 07, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on November 07, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on November 07, 2012, 11:10:50 AM
And Han dies. Harrison has been trying to kill him off since 1983.

I hope they have the sense of humour to have him killed by a "Greedo" alien :)

"Rodian".  (http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa411/threeAradio/emoticon_nerd.gif) LOL


That would be ironic.  :) 
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Rico on November 11, 2012, 05:26:02 AM
I really think this musical number should open Episode 7.  LOL!!!!

Disney Princess Leia - Star Wars Disney Princesses! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRMFH71fDIE#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 11, 2012, 08:42:32 AM
Now that Leia is a Disney Princess I think I may have convinced my daughter to dress as her for HAlooween next year!

I heard that Todd Phillips of the Hangover wants to direct Episode 7....

http://teamcoco.com/video/todd-phillips-star-wars-episode-vii-audition-tape (http://teamcoco.com/video/todd-phillips-star-wars-episode-vii-audition-tape)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 11, 2012, 09:06:55 AM
Those girls look they are freezing!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Ensign Random on November 11, 2012, 05:07:30 PM
I wonder if they'll do a new musical score. They can't change the main theme, I would think, but it would be interesting to see what they do.
I know it makes me seem mean, but I kind of hope they don't have Leia and Han's children. I'm not a big fan of kids in SF movies.
Actually, I want all new people with no relation to the central cast beyond a mention or a run-in. I think the universe is big enough to do some new stuff.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: wraith1701 on November 11, 2012, 05:54:00 PM
If the story centers on the next generation of Solos & Skywalkers, I'm pretty sure they'll be 20-somethings.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bromptonboy on November 12, 2012, 04:44:06 AM
I like Rico's idea of filming all 3 now - and timing the release.  They could even get John Williams if they play it that way.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Rico on November 12, 2012, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: wraith1701 on November 11, 2012, 05:54:00 PM
If the story centers on the next generation of Solos & Skywalkers, I'm pretty sure they'll be 20-somethings.

Definitely going to be older kids in the movie, if that's part of the story - at least late teenagers.

Looks like JJ Abrams is not interested - which makes sense since he has another "Star..." set of films to work on.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1697164/jj-abrams-star-wars-rumors.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1697164/jj-abrams-star-wars-rumors.jhtml)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: ChrisMC on November 21, 2012, 03:06:18 AM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-lawrence-kasdan-simon-393459 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-lawrence-kasdan-simon-393459)

Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg have been hired to write Episodes 8 and 9, not sure what the division of labor will be. Kasdan of course wrote Empire Strikes Back, Jedi, and Raiders. Kinberg is writing the new X-Men movie and was a producer on X-Men First class. Kasdan!!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 28, 2012, 08:41:48 AM
Rumors heating up around Mathew Vaughn directing.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Rico on November 28, 2012, 09:02:37 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on November 28, 2012, 08:41:48 AM
Rumors heating up around Mathew Vaughn directing.

Hmm, maybe but I think unlikely.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Didn-t-Pull-Matthew-Vaughn-Off-X-Men-Sequel-34297.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Didn-t-Pull-Matthew-Vaughn-Off-X-Men-Sequel-34297.html)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII speculation thread
Post by: Bryancd on November 28, 2012, 09:17:27 AM
I had heard that and sort of dismissed him being in the running, I am hoping for Joe Johnson, but then this showed up over at the RPF today:

http://m.movies.com/movie-news/you-decide-does-this-video-confirm-matthew-vaughn-39star-wars-episode-vii39-director/10438 (http://m.movies.com/movie-news/you-decide-does-this-video-confirm-matthew-vaughn-39star-wars-episode-vii39-director/10438)