With all the iPhone 5 talk, no one mentionbed this. it will be interesting to see the new features designed to take advantage of the iPhone 5 tech and form factor. Might make people with 4-4s more inclined to upgrade.
Available as of now!
I'm afraid to upgrade my 3GS again, it's slow and buggy enough as it is.
Downloading it to my 4 as we speak...
Just downloaded it.... took about 6 minutes...
Marko
Not touching it until at least a jailbreak is available for iOS6, and even then I'm going to wait. Still not liking the loss of features in this "upgrade".
Quote from: Jobydrone on September 19, 2012, 10:13:40 AM
I'm afraid to upgrade my 3GS again, it's slow and buggy enough as it is.
Not much advantage in upgrading a 3GS since 99 % of the iOS 6 features won't be available for it anyway.
Quote from: Dangelus on September 19, 2012, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on September 19, 2012, 10:13:40 AM
I'm afraid to upgrade my 3GS again, it's slow and buggy enough as it is.
Not much advantage in upgrading a 3GS since 99 % of the iOS 6 features won't be available for it anyway.
Found a great article on this very topic! although at the end they basically said I should go out and get a new phone already...
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/tempting-fate-installing-ios-6-on-the-iphone-3gs/ (http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/tempting-fate-installing-ios-6-on-the-iphone-3gs/)
Quote from: Jobydrone on September 19, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on September 19, 2012, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on September 19, 2012, 10:13:40 AM
I'm afraid to upgrade my 3GS again, it's slow and buggy enough as it is.
Not much advantage in upgrading a 3GS since 99 % of the iOS 6 features won't be available for it anyway.
Found a great article on this very topic! although at the end they basically said I should go out and get a new phone already...
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/tempting-fate-installing-ios-6-on-the-iphone-3gs/ (http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/tempting-fate-installing-ios-6-on-the-iphone-3gs/)
Lol!!
Well Apple haven't disappointed once again. They have issued updates to both iMovie and GarageBand that "REQUIRE" iOS 6.
Sure they do. ;)
Dan, these updates to the iLife apps (Pages, Numbers, iPhoto, GarageBand, iMovie) are HUGE! GIGANTICIAL!! :) I think the GarageBand update alone is 560mb...
All updated on the phone and the iPad. So far, kind of cool. Over 200 new features. I just did a facebook post with Siri. That was cool.
Quote from: QuadShot on September 19, 2012, 02:04:49 PM
Dan, these updates to the iLife apps (Pages, Numbers, iPhoto, GarageBand, iMovie) are HUGE! GIGANTICIAL!! :) I think the GarageBand update alone is 560mb...
That's to get you into a higher gb phone.
Quote from: X on September 19, 2012, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on September 19, 2012, 02:04:49 PM
Dan, these updates to the iLife apps (Pages, Numbers, iPhoto, GarageBand, iMovie) are HUGE! GIGANTICIAL!! :) I think the GarageBand update alone is 560mb...
That's to get you into a higher gb phone.
Be nice if they actually offered a higher GB phone than 64GB.
Quote from: X on September 19, 2012, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on September 19, 2012, 02:04:49 PM
Dan, these updates to the iLife apps (Pages, Numbers, iPhoto, GarageBand, iMovie) are HUGE! GIGANTICIAL!! :) I think the GarageBand update alone is 560mb...
That's to get you into a higher gb phone.
Yeah they are crazy sized. I ended up deleting garageband the last time they did a big update because it took so long to download! Lol
It's crappy of Apple to try and shift people over to iOS 6 by dangling the carrot of attractive updates to apps. Even worse they prevent devices that are perfectly capable of running these apps from getting updates to force people to upgrade their phone. Not cool.
Found my first bug it keeps dropping me from my wifi link at home. Sheesh.
That happened for me with the last update....
Yeah everytime I click on my wifi it just stays on 3G and theming get taken to a apple.com log in thingy. Not happy about this at all.
Yup just checked online and its a wide problem, loads of people having the same issue. Well done apple.
Apple now working on fixing major bug, newer update expected 9am tomorrow America 2pm UK. I'm going to sleep lol
Yeah, dunno why Apple has that problem every major update. But its happened 3 times now.
No problems here..
Quote from: X on September 19, 2012, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on September 19, 2012, 02:04:49 PM
Dan, these updates to the iLife apps (Pages, Numbers, iPhoto, GarageBand, iMovie) are HUGE! GIGANTICIAL!! :) I think the GarageBand update alone is 560mb...
That's to get you into a higher gb phone.
Yup! But I ain't biting! :)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 19, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
Found my first bug it keeps dropping me from my wifi link at home. Sheesh.
Meds, Joyce had the same issue but so far, not me. Odd. I had to "forget this network" on her phone and re-connect. Now it's fine
THanks for the warning - i'll wait a few days for the major bugs to get flushed out.
Quote from: Bromptonboy on September 19, 2012, 05:41:51 PM
THanks for the warning - i'll wait a few days for the major bugs to get flushed out.
Now where's the fun in THAT? :)
Yeah, I hear forgetting the network and reconnecting solves that issue.
Actually here's the issue:
http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/19/ios-wifi-bug/ (http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/19/ios-wifi-bug/)
QuoteHere is what is going on. Ever since iOS 4(?) there has been a feature where if you connect to a WiFi network it will try to ping this site:http://www.apple.com/library/test/success.html
If it is a success then it lets you connect, if it is not a success the phone trys to bring up what would be a Login page for corporate wifi networks. Example, public access points that have a login page, etc.
It seems that some moron at Apple deleted the file located at http://www.apple.com/library/test/success.html (http://www.apple.com/library/test/success.html) and that is why it is not working.
This is not an iOS 6 issue but rather a problem with Apple's website.
Ah I did the forget network and it looks ok now, thanks guys :)
What a strange thing to happen! Glad it was an easy fix.
Quote from: QuadShot on September 19, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: Bromptonboy on September 19, 2012, 05:41:51 PM
THanks for the warning - i'll wait a few days for the major bugs to get flushed out.
Now where's the fun in THAT? :)
Yes, I am a bad geek! :) Actually I get pages from work on this phone, so I cannot risk it being down. Now the wife's phone.....hmmmm....
Urghh the maps on the update is awful. I want my google map back. The rest is rather nice.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 20, 2012, 12:43:39 PM
Urghh the maps on the update is awful. I want my google map back. The rest is rather nice.
Yeah, been hearing reports that the maps is borked and broken. I figured it would be. Nothing you can do about it except use Gmaps on mobile safari until Google releases their maps app later on.
The 'Do not Disturb' feature may be useful if I ever travel for work again but apart from that its another drip fed iteration.
Nice, but nothing too substantial.
Quote from: Feathers on September 21, 2012, 02:12:28 PM
The 'Do not Disturb' feature may be useful if I ever travel for work again but apart from that its another drip fed iteration.
Nice, but nothing too substantial.
Yeah, its hard to call this update anything but iOS 5.2 at this point. Which we did not get a .2 update this cycle so it does make sense.
I like the do not disturb, thats a nifty feature. The Siri update is pretty cool and i like the option to be able to post a photo to FB or twitter etc straight from the block.
I found this pretty amusing: http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/22/mapsception/ (http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/22/mapsception/)
Basically, if you try to view a location sent from Apple maps, it will redirect you to Google Maps on an unsupported device aka anything not on iOS6. Apple spending all that money and their still redirecting traffic to Gmaps...
So....anyone else unable to connect to Wi-Fi with iOS6 all of a sudden? Keeps asking for my network password then telling me it's wrong. ARGH!
I updated my iPhone 4 and I don't regret it.
Maps, not impressed by the Apple maps program as of yet. But to be fair, I use the mapquest app for navigation as it has given vocal turn by turn direction for a couple of years now, makes a good GPS if you have signal.
Also, there is this trick for google maps:
http://youtu.be/9pGrRnyKm-c (http://youtu.be/9pGrRnyKm-c)
It does have a more slick feel to it. Safari does seem to load pages faster and the cosmetic improvements are a plus. There is a new app specific to podcasts and iTunes U. Knowing I was losing the old Youtube app bothered me until I downloaded the new one. I do like it better, comments suggestions, makes it look like the proper youtube page you would log onto on your desktop.
The Passbook app, I don't see any use for at all.
I'd say the reason to do this upgrade is for the cosmetic improvements as well as better speed on the device.
I updated my older 3Gs phone - which I keep around for my kids to use as an iPod (no SIM in it). I had no problems with WiFi. Granted, I waited a few days to do the update, so they probably patched that issue.
I am still holding off on the wife's iPad 2, and my iPhone 4.
Just added google maps back on thanks AlanP for the link
Apple is not allowing GMaps to come to iOS6. If your on iOS6, your choices are Apple maps, Safari version or something else. Worst decision you could have made Apple.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/25/iphone-owners-waiting-on-google-maps-app-the-wait-is-over-its-not-coming/ (http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/25/iphone-owners-waiting-on-google-maps-app-the-wait-is-over-its-not-coming/)
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 25, 2012, 01:23:40 PM
Apple is not allowing GMaps to come to iOS6. If your on iOS6, your choices are Apple maps, Safari version or something else. Worst decision you could have made Apple.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/25/iphone-owners-waiting-on-google-maps-app-the-wait-is-over-its-not-coming/ (http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/25/iphone-owners-waiting-on-google-maps-app-the-wait-is-over-its-not-coming/)
I know it's quite inconvenient, but seriously doubt it was the WORST decision Apple could have made. It's an app...time to get over it and move on. I'm pretty sure Apple will "fix" their Maps App in due time.
I agree that it's not the worse.
Quote from: X on September 25, 2012, 01:35:19 PM
I agree that it's not the worse.
Ok ok fine. 2nd worst decision ;).
Well i still have google maps on my phone now, works near enough the same as the old one so i dont think its the end of the world.
I don't honestly believe Apple will be seriously inconvenienced in the long run. Their maps app will catch up and this will pretty quickly blow over. Yes, it's pretty petty when looked at in a certain way but I don't expect it to have any measurable impact on company performance.
The original Google Maps will be reinstated to iOS 6 devices in a forthcoming jailbreak. There's a video been posted already.
Quote from: QuadShot on September 25, 2012, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 25, 2012, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: X on September 25, 2012, 01:35:19 PM
I agree that it's not the worse.
Ok ok fine. 2nd worst decision ;).
No, that would be the "Lisa" :eekout
I had no idea what you were talking about so I looked it up. Um. Yeah. That...is bad. So...5th worst decision then?
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 25, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on September 25, 2012, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 25, 2012, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: X on September 25, 2012, 01:35:19 PM
I agree that it's not the worse.
Ok ok fine. 2nd worst decision ;).
No, that would be the "Lisa" :eekout
I had no idea what you were talking about so I looked it up. Um. Yeah. That...is bad. So...5th worst decision then?
Ok, I'll give you that one.
Here is the sum of it. People that aren't Apple fans are going to point out the flaws and problem like the scuffs and maps as reason while Apple isn't great. People that are fans of Apple will excuse the flaws as either one offs or things that they will correct soon because Apple doesn't make poor products and stand by their stuff. So the same exact problems that non-apple fans see as problems, many apple fans will see as affirmation that Apple customer service cares about them.
I've got no dog in this fight. I have an iPOD that I use to play music on my portable dock, a Win 7.5 phone, a few droid tablets, and a couple of kindles. Given my own personal needs, I see no reason for me to ever buy a iphone or ipad, but I'm not going to fault others for deciding to do so.
Quote from: X on September 25, 2012, 07:18:08 PM
Here is the sum of it. People that aren't Apple fans are going to point out the flaws and problem like the scuffs and maps as reason while Apple isn't great. People that are fans of Apple will excuse the flaws as either one offs or things that they will correct soon because Apple doesn't make poor products and stand by their stuff. So the same exact problems that non-apple fans see as problems, many apple fans will see as affirmation that Apple customer service cares about them.
I've got no dog in this fight. I have an iPOD that I use to play music on my portable dock, a Win 7.5 phone, a few droid tablets, and a couple of kindles. Given my own personal needs, I see no reason for me to ever buy a iphone or ipad, but I'm not going to fault others for deciding to do so.
I'm not here to point out every flaw that iOS has. If I was, I would be making a lot more posts around here about it. The reason that I'm being, well, a pain in the butt about this whole Maps thing is that I view it as a completely unnecessary change for iOS. To get into the mapping business is, from my perspective, a confusing and bad move. (Yes, I get it, Apple doesn't want to give money to their competitors, etc and so forth). Apple isn't in the business of data such as mapping or advertising. That's always been other's areas such as Google, TomTom and etc. Apple is known, and rightly so, for selling multi-media products such as Music, TV, Movies, iTunes, iPods, iPads and etc. Its only lately that Apple's been on this change to do everything themselves, from maps to clouds. And they've done a pretty bad job tbh. iCloud is a better job than MobileMe but I trust it less than Microsoft's Skydrive. This Maps debacle doesn't help anything either. While Apple Maps will probably get to the level of acceptability eventually, it'll put their customers through a rough ride like iCloud has and continues to do so.
Yeah, I've been rather harsh on Apple of late. But only because I know they can do better than this or at least they used to. I don't support their decision to kick Google out of their OS either. Not every company can do everything themselves. Not Google, not Microsoft and not Apple. But it seems Apple is going to do it anyway and I don't like it. Its closing their OS down even harder. I take no pleasure in blasting Apple for their decisions. Because their actions affect me as well.
You're too young to remember, but 15 years ago Apple wasn't known as a music, movie, mobile device maker either. They were a PC maker with their own proprietary operating sysstem and that was it. In fact every item you listed that you say Apple is known for have all occured in this short time frame. See how that works?
Quote from: Bryancd on September 26, 2012, 05:41:43 AM
You're too young to remember, but 15 years ago Apple wasn't known as a music, movie, mobile device maker either. They were a PC maker with their own proprietary operating sysstem and that was it. In fact every item you listed that you say Apple is known for have all occured in this short time frame. See how that works?
Which is pretty funny because I was a HUGE fan of Apple when they were a computer company. I spent my formative education working on a IIe and out first home computer was the Mac SE. While everyone else might have had color systems and games that would run on their PCs, Windows had nothing on the Mac GUI. I gave it a star trek theme before there were such things as themes. The GUI pushed the envelope and embarrassed Windows with things we wouldn't get for decades. The modem was top of the line.
Then came the iPOD Apple. Where as my Apple might have cost a bit more, they pushed things and gave you value. After the iPOD, Apple learned that you don't have to give people the latest tech, you don't even have to give them the latest generation of current tech. You can give them what you want and then add the things that you would have started with into the product slowly. That's when Apple lost me. At that point it became less about the best product and more about the best selling and more profitable product.
For me it all boils down to functionality. Does the product help me do what I need to do? And with my Apple products, I say yes, much better than anything else on the market. The ease of use and right out of the box usefulness is what I'm paying for. The marketing and all that are great, but I do multi media all day everyday, and for that Apple knocks it out of the park. If I had a bit more moola I would have a big Mac computer too!
My biggest beef isn't fair criticism of product or corporate direction, it's often the underlying tech snob douchebaggery that seems to ooze from many Apple haters towards Apple fans.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 26, 2012, 09:31:00 AM
My biggest beef isn't fair criticism of product or corporate direction, it's often the underlying tech snob douchebaggery that seems to ooze from many Apple haters towards Apple fans.
That goes both ways I'm afraid. The comments Apple fanboys make to Android peeps is so elitist, so full of vile...its just hard to swallow that people are actually like this, but there it is. When Instagram ported over to Android, the few comments I read about that was just...wow...I don't have an adjective to describe it.
I know that's not particularly unique to technology, but man is it bad. I can't visit certain websites due to this fanboyism on both sides. But its little wonder why companies want them.
Its why I don't support or like the idea of fanboys/fangirls of products, shows or etc.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 26, 2012, 05:41:43 AM
You're too young to remember, but 15 years ago Apple wasn't known as a music, movie, mobile device maker either. They were a PC maker with their own proprietary operating sysstem and that was it. In fact every item you listed that you say Apple is known for have all occured in this short time frame. See how that works?
I guess I should have said recently known for. And its hard to say how my feelings would have been about the Apple back then. My thoughts are just on how Apple has been for the past half decade or so.
Puhhlease! :) You know very well it's the tech savvy intelligentsia mafia that hate on Apple more then anything else. The vast majority of Apple consumers are just regular folks who have no dog in the tech wars online and in forums, they just want to buy sh*t that works and is easy to use and looks cool.
I'm darn useless with tech (just ask Dan i'm always texting him for advice lol) so for me Apple has always looked super cool. My mate Ray bought one of their computers, the original imac back in 1999 and i loved the look of it and was hooked from them. I don't have much money but if i did have cash to spare you can bet your bottom dollar that i would have the latest apple computer and the iphone. The updates on the iOS6 are what they are, updates for the modern generation. You have to go with the flow. I mean, I adore classic cars, but you can't can keep putting modern bits in the engine and hope it will work great.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 26, 2012, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on September 26, 2012, 05:41:43 AM
You're too young to remember, but 15 years ago Apple wasn't known as a music, movie, mobile device maker either. They were a PC maker with their own proprietary operating sysstem and that was it. In fact every item you listed that you say Apple is known for have all occured in this short time frame. See how that works?
I guess I should have said recently known for. And its hard to say how my feelings would have been about the Apple back then. My thoughts are just on how Apple has been for the past half decade or so.
But you still aren't getting the point. Corporations are organic, they grow, expand, move into areas where life is plentiful, withdraw from those where it is not. By your reasoning back all those years ago Apple shouldn't have tried to become a music retailer, I mena they were a computer company for God's sake! And yet that one business decision I would suggest informed their future direction and put them where they are now. Why would maps be any different? They may fail to provide a product experience comparable to Google but they certainly should try, it's organic.
Congrats on 5000 posts Tim!
Quote from: Bryancd on September 26, 2012, 02:12:07 PM
Puhhlease! :) You know very well it's the tech savvy intelligentsia mafia that hate on Apple more then anything else. The vast majority of Apple consumers are just regular folks who have no dog in the tech wars online and in forums, they just want to buy sh*t that works and is easy to use and looks cool.
I find the mafia comment amusing and while it may be accurate, Apple fanboys fling just as much hate on Android. They are not innocent victims. Take a look at Twitter/Google+ search feeds related to Apple/Android and you can get a taste of what I'm talking about. *shudders*. Not that I recommend it, I stay away from those searches for a reason.
But yeah, I know the majority of Apple/Droid consumers have no stake in the "tech wars". But then again, I'm not referring to them when I make the "fanboy/fangirl" comment. I'm talking about the hardcore people, the ones who defend their side of the "tech wars" with a ridiculous amount of fervor that its basically a religion to them. The ones that were pictured earlier in the thread are the ones I'm talking about. Those pictures concern me on quite a few levels.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 26, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 26, 2012, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on September 26, 2012, 05:41:43 AM
You're too young to remember, but 15 years ago Apple wasn't known as a music, movie, mobile device maker either. They were a PC maker with their own proprietary operating sysstem and that was it. In fact every item you listed that you say Apple is known for have all occured in this short time frame. See how that works?
I guess I should have said recently known for. And its hard to say how my feelings would have been about the Apple back then. My thoughts are just on how Apple has been for the past half decade or so.
But you still aren't getting the point. Corporations are organic, they grow, expand, move into areas where life is plentiful, withdraw from those where it is not. By your reasoning back all those years ago Apple shouldn't have tried to become a music retailer, I mena they were a computer company for God's sake! And yet that one business decision I would suggest informed their future direction and put them where they are now. Why would maps be any different? They may fail to provide a product experience comparable to Google but they certainly should try, it's organic.
Alright alright, I get the point. And I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't evolve/change. Otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the iPad. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with this direction of doing everything themselves. Maybe this was possible at one time or another, but technology is too diverse and complex for one company to do everything and
do it well.
Quote from: moyer777 on September 26, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Congrats on 5000 posts Tim!
Thanks Rick, crazy that I have posted 5K times on this forum. :)
Nice double quote post as well. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 26, 2012, 04:05:25 PM
Nice double quote post as well. :)
I can do them, I'm just too lazy to do them most of the time ;).
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 26, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
Maybe this was possible at one time or another, but technology is too diverse and complex for one company to do everything and do it well.
That's true but technology goes from innovative to ubiquitous so quickly, it is possible for a single company to provide a broad based and satisfying user experience and do that VERY well. I barley use 90% of the capacity of my technology and operating systems and applications. I just do really simple basic stuff. It's all I want. It's all the majority of technology users want and utilize. People comfortable with technology want all the bells and whistles but that is a smaller market.
Vartok is like horse Mr. Ed - only post when he has something to say.
I say this - for fun engage Siri and say "Siri, my name is His Majesty" and then go silent. Siri will from now call you Your Majesty (or whatever you told her your name is). To check it out click on the button again and just say "Siri" and then wait.
Fun
V
Here's a thought to ponder: Google Maps wasn't always the awesome Google Maps we now and (some) love. Just sayin'
I'm reading this thinking you guys are wasting some good podcast material here! ;)
I don't have a problem with Apple doing their own maps. What I would say is that Apple's implementation isn't quite ready but they pushed it out anyway. This is not like Apple, they usually don't want to diminish the user experience. This leads me to think they have put business interests first (like pushing out Google from iOS) before the customer.
Of course they will improve and like Al stated, Google maps were a pile of crap until they were heavily worked on and invested in. They'll get there. They're hiring ex Google map people as we speak.
If I don't like something I'll say it regardless of if I'm a "fan" of the property / company or not and so would they majority of consumers. The very small minority of diehards out there will excuse anything from their particular "thing" and that's what gets reported. Again this is a very small minority augmented by particularly unbiased news reporting.
Quote from: QuadShot on September 26, 2012, 06:40:30 PM
Here's a thought to ponder: Google Maps wasn't always the awesome Google Maps we now and (some) love. Just sayin'
Just because Google pushed out something half baked (and I'd probably be slapping them around if I was around back when they did) doesn't mean I can't roast Apple for doing the same thing. But this is, at the end of the day, Apple replacing a pretty good maps app with a questionably-functioning maps app. That really isn't an upgrade in my opinion. I wish that Apple had just pushed it out as a BETA as they had with Siri. I mean, have both Gmaps and then Apple Maps in BETA. Give the app time to gather the data and bug test as needed. I'm more than positive plenty of people would have given it that data. Then Apple could have removed Gmaps as a base app a year later when their deal with Google expired. You wouldn't have an interruption of service like their doing now. To me, that seems like a saner way of doing things.
As Dan said, this is Apple putting their business interests first over the customer. And that rubs me the wrong way.
Quote from: Dangelus on September 26, 2012, 10:27:38 PM
I'm reading this thinking you guys are wasting some good podcast material here! ;)
I don't have a problem with Apple doing their own maps. What I would say is that Apple's implementation isn't quite ready but they pushed it out anyway. This is not like Apple, they usually don't want to diminish the user experience. This leads me to think they have put business interests first (like pushing out Google from iOS) before the customer.
Of course they will improve and like Al stated, Google maps were a pile of crap until they were heavily worked on and invested in. They'll get there. They're hiring ex Google map people as we speak.
If I don't like something I'll say it regardless of if I'm a "fan" of the property / company or not and so would they majority of consumers. The very small minority of diehards out there will excuse anything from their particular "thing" and that's what gets reported. Again this is a very small minority augmented by particularly unbiased news reporting.
I agree Dan, very much so. I really like Apple products, but I am no more loyal to them then they are to me. I've had only a very few issues over the years, and I've not been clamped mouthed about them. If I have an issue, I say it. And Dan, I think you should podcast about this! Maybe have a round table of sorts - Apple fans and not so much Apple fans!
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 26, 2012, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on September 26, 2012, 06:40:30 PM
Here's a thought to ponder: Google Maps wasn't always the awesome Google Maps we now and (some) love. Just sayin'
Just because Google pushed out something half baked (and I'd probably be slapping them around if I was around back when they did) doesn't mean I can't roast Apple for doing the same thing. But this is, at the end of the day, Apple replacing a pretty good maps app with a questionably-functioning maps app. That really isn't an upgrade in my opinion. I wish that Apple had just pushed it out as a BETA as they had with Siri. I mean, have both Gmaps and then Apple Maps in BETA. Give the app time to gather the data and bug test as needed. I'm more than positive plenty of people would have given it that data. Then Apple could have removed Gmaps as a base app a year later when their deal with Google expired. You wouldn't have an interruption of service like their doing now. To me, that seems like a saner way of doing things.
As Dan said, this is Apple putting their business interests first over the customer. And that rubs me the wrong way.
Ok Tim, I do agree with you on some things. I apologize if I've led the charge against anyone expressing concern about Apple. You do have that right and I support it.
As far as Apple's decision to dump Google, who knows? In the end we'll most likely never know why the did it, and to be honest, not really our right to know. Apple is a business and they must make the decisions THEY feel are best for their stakeholders. Period. If we look at those decisions and ask "WHY?", well, unless you own major shares of Apple stock, I doubt you'll find out. Maybe they just wanted to see if they COULD be independent? Maybe they wanted to get a bunch of people hopelessly lost so they could sell the "Find Your Way Back Home" app? :)
A lot of us, me included, tend to forget (or never really know) about products before they become awesome. So when a powerhouse company like Apple puts something that isn't spot-on right away, our initial reaction is to say "HULK.....SMASH!!!" I'm exactly the same way. We just need to be patient with this Maps thing and the iOS6 things. They'll either fix them, and a year from now we'll all be trying to remember WHAT Apple Maps replaced, or Apple will move on with something else and put GMAPS back...Al
Oh we know why Apple is giving Google the boot. Android. Had Google never made Android, I'm pretty sure the two companies would have been ok with each other. Even disregarding Job's statement of wanting to go thermonuclear on Android, they are now a competitor with Apple. And that causes problem when companies as competitive as these two find themselves in competition all of the sudden.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 08:18:15 AM
And that causes problem when companies like Apple don't like competition.
Your so funny. Can you point out one company that does like competition? Kicking and screaming my goal is to drag you into business enlightenment! :)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 27, 2012, 08:23:01 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 08:18:15 AM
And that causes problem when companies like Apple don't like competition.
Your so funny. Can you point out one company that does like competition? Kicking and screaming my goal is to drag you into business enlightenment! :)
Ok Tim, well, you follow up a fairly rational post with THIS? You gripe that Apple fans are bashing, yet...YOU single out Apple and say "companies like Apple don't like cometition"? HELLLLLOOOOOOO....McFly! WHAT flipping company in the WORLD likes competition? Lets get flipping real here dude, I don't give a CRAP what anyone
says, NO ONE like real competition. Why the #$#$$ would a company LIKE another company threatening their profit? You say all kinds of BS like "oh competition makes for better product devlopment", or "we LOVE competition because it allows us to push ourselves to be our bestest" HORSE CRAP. And Tim, if you can't see that, then go ahead and just keep bashing Apple for getting defensive with Google. Geez Bryan, I seriously doubt you'll succeed in dragging Tim into business enlightment - because you can't make someone who's purposefully blind see again.
He's young, there's hope. :)
Woah woah woah guys. Calm down. I know businesses don't like competition. (Although some do thrive on it) but yikes. It was more of a statement of fact that all companies don't like competition. I should have said something like "When you have businesses who are as competitive as these two, it causes problems". It was not meant as a dig at Apple, but it was badly worded so I understand why you read it that way. My bad on that one. I fixed it.
*note to self* *posting that early in the morning gets Bryan and Al on a rampage when your not thinking too clearly* ;)
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
"When you have businesses who are as competitive as these two, it causes problems".
No! It forces innovation! Ahhhhhh!!! You're killing me! ;)
Quote from: QuadShot on September 27, 2012, 07:24:17 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on September 26, 2012, 10:27:38 PM
I'm reading this thinking you guys are wasting some good podcast material here! ;)
I don't have a problem with Apple doing their own maps. What I would say is that Apple's implementation isn't quite ready but they pushed it out anyway. This is not like Apple, they usually don't want to diminish the user experience. This leads me to think they have put business interests first (like pushing out Google from iOS) before the customer.
Of course they will improve and like Al stated, Google maps were a pile of crap until they were heavily worked on and invested in. They'll get there. They're hiring ex Google map people as we speak.
If I don't like something I'll say it regardless of if I'm a "fan" of the property / company or not and so would they majority of consumers. The very small minority of diehards out there will excuse anything from their particular "thing" and that's what gets reported. Again this is a very small minority augmented by particularly unbiased news reporting.
I agree Dan, very much so. I really like Apple products, but I am no more loyal to them then they are to me. I've had only a very few issues over the years, and I've not been clamped mouthed about them. If I have an issue, I say it. And Dan, I think you should podcast about this! Maybe have a round table of sorts - Apple fans and not so much Apple fans!
I'd LOVE to get you guys on TeknoCratik to discuss all this, it would be fascinating. Although I'm really scared it will:
a) turn into an audio brawl
b) involve a HUGE amount of editing
c) I'll have to go out and find a really effective "bleep" sound effect
;)
I'm in! I promise to mind my P's and Q's. :) Al I can't vouch for, dudes a loose cannon. ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 27, 2012, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
"When you have businesses who are as competitive as these two, it causes problems".
No! It forces innovation! Ahhhhhh!!! You're killing me! ;)
*facepalm* Gahhh....is it even worth trying to clarify my point or am I just digging a deeper hole? ;) Although I can't even remember wht the original point was now...
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on September 27, 2012, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
"When you have businesses who are as competitive as these two, it causes problems".
No! It forces innovation! Ahhhhhh!!! You're killing me! ;)
*facepalm* Gahhh....is it even worth trying to clarify my point or am I just digging a deeper hole? ;) Although I can't even remember wht the original point was now...
Save it for the show, this is good stuff! ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 27, 2012, 10:02:53 AM
I'm in! I promise to mind my P's and Q's. :) Al I can't vouch for, dudes a loose cannon. ;)
I prefer "Social Filter Challenged" thank you very much! :)
Quote from: Dangelus on September 27, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on September 27, 2012, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
"When you have businesses who are as competitive as these two, it causes problems".
No! It forces innovation! Ahhhhhh!!! You're killing me! ;)
*facepalm* Gahhh....is it even worth trying to clarify my point or am I just digging a deeper hole? ;) Although I can't even remember wht the original point was now...
Save it for the show, this is good stuff! ;)
Dan, I have a pretty good "BLEEP" effect I can send you...:)
Lol. I remember a time less than twenty four months ago when king and apple were bffs.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 27, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
...It was not meant as a dig at Apple...*note to self* *posting that early in the morning gets Bryan and Al on a rampage when your not thinking too clearly* ;)
Of course it was meant as a "dig" at Apple. It certainly wasn't a compliment. And that's ok. There are those who are fans of Apple and believe that they offer a great product, a great business model and when they DO release something that's a little...boinked, they will fix it or get rid of it. Then there are those who, well, lets just say have been led astray from the TRUE path :)
Quote from: X on September 27, 2012, 11:16:29 AM
Lol. I remember a time less than twenty four months ago when king and apple were bffs.
X, that was before he shaved his head and started following the WRONG path! :) :) LOL
He has been a little sithy as of late, but Apple is assuredly not the true path. They are fantastic at leveraging existing tech into a fun and functional form, but I'm hard pressed to find something innovative on the tech side from them. Having researched a bit, the are good at folding other tech into a new product, but aren't really inventing much these days.
Everything from the click wheel to the UI is from other companies and folded into a package.
Quote from: QuadShot on September 27, 2012, 11:20:09 AM
Quote from: X on September 27, 2012, 11:16:29 AM
Lol. I remember a time less than twenty four months ago when king and apple were bffs.
X, that was before he shaved his head and started following the WRONG path! :) :) LOL
Now I'm more curious as to how you knew I shaved my head recently. I don't recall posting pics...oh wait, my FB profile pic, never mind. That was taken by Nathan, that's why I don't remember posting it.
Quote from: X on September 27, 2012, 11:43:50 AM
He has been a little sithy as of late, but Apple is assuredly not the true path.
So...I'm curious now. What's the "true" path?
Well Tim, the answer to your question is quite obvious. The "true" path is the one of technological awareness - techno-nervana my friend. And that path leads directly to the thresholds of Apple! Until you can acknowledge this truth, until you ACCEPT it, you shall forever be doomed to be a Bill Gates flunky. Apple is the way...the truth...the light.
Quote from: QuadShot on September 27, 2012, 12:37:20 PM
Well Tim, the answer to your question is quite obvious. The "true" path is the one of technological awareness - techno-nervana my friend. And that path leads directly to the thresholds of Apple! Until you can acknowledge this truth, until you ACCEPT it, you shall forever be doomed to be a Bill Gates flunky. Apple is the way...the truth...the light.
*snorts water out of his nose* That made me laugh but um, yeah, not a flunky of Bill Gates, as X himself can attest to I don't have the greatest opinion of them. Especially when we talk about another OS with an 8 in its name ;).
Wow, Tim Cook released an open letter aplogizing for the maps app. I must admit, even though I know it's new, I have encountered some frustrations trying to find locations that the old app found without any trouble.
Quote
To our customers,
At Apple, we strive to make world-class products that deliver the best experience possible to our customers. With the launch of our new Maps last week, we fell short on this commitment. We are extremely sorry for the frustration this has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps better.
We launched Maps initially with the first version of iOS. As time progressed, we wanted to provide our customers with even better Maps including features such as turn-by-turn directions, voice integration, Flyover and vector-based maps. In order to do this, we had to create a new version of Maps from the ground up.
There are already more than 100 million iOS devices using the new Apple Maps, with more and more joining us every day. In just over a week, iOS users with the new Maps have already searched for nearly half a billion locations. The more our customers use our Maps the better it will get and we greatly appreciate all of the feedback we have received from you.
While we're improving Maps, you can try alternatives by downloading map apps from the App Store like Bing, MapQuest and Waze, or use Google or Nokia maps by going to their websites and creating an icon on your home screen to their web app.
Everything we do at Apple is aimed at making our products the best in the world. We know that you expect that from us, and we will keep working non-stop until Maps lives up to the same incredibly high standard.
Tim Cook
Apple's CEO
http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/ (http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/)
^^^
Some of the best spin control I've ever seen, it really seems genuine.
Yeah, lot's of speculation if Jobs would have been as contrite. :) here's the thin, maps is liek SIRI, the only way to make it better is through hardcore use. Nothing makes a software product better then use case feedback. It could never be released perfect, it need to evolve and the only way to do that is to get it into peoples hands.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 28, 2012, 07:06:30 AM
Yeah, lot's of speculation if Jobs would have been as contrite. :) here's the thin, maps is liek SIRI, the only way to make it better is through hardcore use. Nothing makes a software product better then use case feedback. It could never be released perfect, it need to evolve and the only way to do that is to get it into peoples hands.
I agree, my issue with it is that it is substantially less capable then the app it replaced, at least with regard to location search. I realize it will improve over time. Just stating my opinion of the app in its current state.
Would be nice if he sent a letter out explaining the recent riots and explanation about the working conditions in Taiyuan. Would like to see that spin.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 28, 2012, 11:34:57 AM
Would be nice if he sent a letter out explaining the recent riots and explanation about the working conditions in Taiyuan. Would like to see that spin.
That must have been from a youtube video that poked fun at Steve Jobs...the tech prophet... ;)